Jasser Vs. Ellison (Part 3 of 9)- AIFD Congressional Briefing on the Hill- October 1, 2009

[rpgerrick]

In no way is Dr. Jasser saying that only Muslim's commit violence and seek justification through religion. He's discussing those who subscribe to political Islamic ideology. He said that over and over and over again. In this forum however, the subject is Islam, not Hinduism or Judaism. And please show me where Dr. Jasser advocates violence to change hearts and minds and stamp out this radical ideology.

[alegendat40]

Have to agree w/Keith Ellison on this matter. It is not just muslims that make acts of violence against us. Look at Timothy McVey for instance and all the lives he took of the innocent women and children. And until the day we executed him he was proud of his deed against America! And throughout history there are many more acts of violence against America by Americans!

[aatayyab]

Wow... Keith Ellison all the way!!!! just amazingly intelligent guy... just wow!

[Sovereign4Ever]

I admire & respect Dr. Jasser for his allegiance to the USA & his speaking out in support of separation of mosque & state. Please stay strong, Dr. Jasser. Praying more muslims will join you.

[12ut5]

Too bad the 1st Muslim-American congressman is an apologist for the shortcomings of Islam and not someone more honest and self-critical like Jasser. What a jerk. If he raised money for CAIR, no wonder.

[hueyfreeman2006]

Muslims should have the exact same right to peacefully, legally, democratically advocate for whatever causes they want in terms of foreign or domestic policy. What is not ok and should be vigorously prosecuted is terrorism. But apart from that, Muslims should be able to participate fully in politics. There is nothing wrong with non-violent "political Islam".

[hueyfreeman2006]

Wouldman2 misses the point of the abortion clinic analogy. Almost all Christians (Catholics, Evangelicals) believe abortion is murder. And based on that belief many demonstrate in front of abortion clinics, they support pro-life candidates for office, and they engage in other methods to try to reverse Roe v. Wade in order to impose their values on the rest of society. That's all "ok". What is not ok is to take the law in your own hands and bomb clinics and kill abortion workers...

[Musicofthissphere]

I can't believe Keith ellison suggests that the answer is to survey Christians and Jews as well. Wow, what a non-answer. If these were Christians, then we wouldn't be stepping on eggshells right now. People would be calling it what it was. The story of Baruch Goldstein he doesn't know at all, because the anaology he gives is completely false

[Wouldman2]

Since America only has about 0.004% of all Muslim on Earth,Dr.Jasser and Mr.Ellison can't claim to have the true view of islam for the 99.996% outside America that DO endorse killing gays and Union leaders or females for honour killings. Oddly though,Ellison shows his own ignorance and overt stupidity to paint all Christians for what a non-christain did to a abortion clinic.His stance to oppose violence would have enshriend Slavery because Abolishionist could never die to dismantle it.

[retardedsister]

who's dr jasper?

[dinomite161]

It sounds like you are very dissatisfied with America. I suggest you pack your bags and leave. There is a big world out there. Go live in Jordan, Egypt, Morocco. You will never be missed.

[MuslimHumanism]

Keith Ellison is a brainwashed convert, and the worst part is that he seems to be either a member or an admirer of the N.O.I. In law school he wrote several articles supporting Farrakhan. His arguments against Jasser are nonsense. The purpose of the meeting is to speak about Islamic extremism, that doesn't negate the existence of any other type of extremism. Ellison should not have been allowed to take public office, this is ridiculous...

[VinceP1974]

Elison is a great jihadist.

Completely twists the argument to make islamic jihadists the victims

[Slickback83]

Wow Ellison is a complete idiot.

[SoCalstylez858]

Ellison owned!

[prodaddy69]

Ellison sounds like an idiot.....

[lashkaretoiba]

Missing the point is putting it lightly, more like he didn't even understand the point or want to acknowledge it. I loved the moral equivalence argument he uses at 2:33. He's clearly never read anything by robert spencer. Or else he would know that is false. This guy is no better than CAIR.

[PuffDaddy786]

robert spencer is a known anti-muslim extremist. Ellison doesn't need to read any thing from spencer

God bless Ellison, Ellison is fighting for freedom

[arrowhead753]

So anyone who wants to expose the dark side of islam is an anti-muslim extremist? As I understand it over 90% of the armed conflicts in the world involve muslims. If the islamists got their way then Ellison's comments at around 3:15 would be moot. There would be no other ideology to debate with islam.

[PuffDaddy786]

there is a very dark side to jewish religion, but then exposing it would lead others to call you an "anti-semite" to silence you.

There is nothing wrong with Islam, It just happens to be that Muslim lands are in the center of the world and many Muslim lands are under the control of foreign powers. Muslims only want to live with dignity and freedom, without any western bullying armies occupying muslim countries

[Musicofthissphere]

@PuffDaddy786 What nonsense! You, as a Muslim, can trash Jews with no shame whatsover, but you want to be treated with kit gloves. Give me a break! Try having the same set of standards for all people..you hypocrite

[TruthbHeard]

SHARIAH and POLITICAL ISLAM IS THE MUSLIMS right to have his own system of governance no one has the right to take it away, its like taking democracy away from the Americans

Muslims were the most racially and socially just ppl for over 1400 years ruling under sharah christian and jews would come to Muslim lands fleeing from Europe

SHARIAH WAS DESTROYED by british Empire 1924, its revival is comming and u cannot stop the decree of Allah swt,

u guys dont understand history or islam

[MuslimHumanism]

Racially and socially just my ass, under Islam lands were invaded, husbands murdered, their wives RAPED FOR LIFE as sex slaves, their children sold off into to slavery never to be seen again, and all of the family's possessions were stolen. This STILL occurs in parts of the Muslim world. And this is just a taste of Islam's "justice". Keep ur fucking religion to urself asshole, the age of imposing ancient bullshit mythologies is over my friend. Why don't you get on Muhammad's flying donkey and go

[TruthbHeard]

Another humanist whose yet to read a book,

1-USA and commies waged way mroe wars then any other ppl

2- as for your perverted claims please provide evidence, otherwise id say your confusing it with racist christian history

3- Wow i found a humanist that doesnt beleive in freedom of speech and belief, you ppl arnt very tolerant at all when your intellectually crushed,

Stop bein an islamaphobe, quit jerkin off to porno in your closet and come to the real word and behave like a man pussy laterfag

[MuslimHumanism]

1 - That is a red herring, has nothing to do with my comments on Islamic conquest

2 - Who do you think "those whom your right hands possess" are? They are concubines, slave women, many of whom are caught during Muslim conquests. Do you think these women are willing to become sex slaves to these invading Muslims who just killed their husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, etc.? They are SLAVES, held against their will, and RAPED, not once, not twice, but FOR LIFE. All by Allah's permission ofcourse

[TruthbHeard]

Islam answes all questions including guide lines of war, when a western country occupied a land the men would turn to prostitution or rape to relieve themselves after years of no companionship, Islam permited men to marry their slave girls and treat them as wives in times of war. Compare the 2 system. When the porn lovign usa americans invaded iraq much rape goes on in the prisons and in isolation, they r kids in diapers taht cant control their sexual organs

[MuslimHumanism]

3 - Freedom of speech is fine, what you are advocating for is Shariah, "political islam" as you call it. Included in that are archaic, oppressive laws on the necks of all who live in Muslim countries, including Muslims, and a perpetual jihad against the world until Islam, as it is childishly driven, conquers the world. Intellectually crushed lol? You believe Muhammad got on a flying donkey and flew to Heaven way out in outer space to talk to Allah lol, amongst 100s of other myths. Checkmate.

[TruthbHeard]

Burning churchs? Wat bout bombing mousques and live humans what do humanist say about that? Collateral dmg?

Your an apostate period, The prophet was not a humanist. Through studying i discovered the West is a racist colonial empire who wiped out many races to get to a super power. Survival of the most Evil.

I beleive the truth is God alone can govern man, USA is an exampe of man made laws destroying mankind. Islamic history b4 its fall, was of tollerance teh GOLDEN age for jews and Muslims

[MuslimHumanism]

@ TruthbHeard Lastly, I am not an Islamophobe, I am a Muslim Humanist and I have been a believer and devout Sunni in the past. Through study I discovered that Islam is a false ancient mythology like any other ancient religion is. Thus I have adjusted my position FOR THE TRUTH. Because I am loyal to the truth, how about yourself? Are you loyal to the truth or what you want to believe? Don't hold your breath for the 72 virgins in outer space, they aren't there...

[TruthbHeard]

The west only cares when whites or jews die, thats y so much educational material is spent on holocaust while the rest of their colonial massacres of Muslim lands, africa, india are untold of in their schools. The sunni shia fighting was instigated by the americans to divide and conquer, under sadam no such civil war happened even tho hes a pig like americans.

[lashkaretoiba]

Petty name calling. Tell Ellison to stop hiding from spencer.

[PuffDaddy786]

Ellison is not hiding from spencer, he doesn't even know spencer. Spencer is a nobody

[lashkaretoiba]

Then he should have no problem debating spencer.

[PuffDaddy786]

nobodies in this world don't get to debate senators or presidents or congressmen.

[lashkaretoiba]

And that is the problem.

[TruthbHeard]

No one wants to talk about the Fort Hood shooter maybe Feels deep pain for the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS killed by AMERICANS in iraq and other places thus motivating him to do what he did

America HAS A LONG HISTORY of killing ppl to impose its values and gols IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN NOT FOR FREEDOM OR DEMOCRACY nor was SLAVERY or VIETNAM

thank you n peace

[newtype64]

Good comment. However over 1 million people were killed in Iraq.

[MuslimHumanism]

Saddam Hussein waged war on Kuwait and was responded to. He is the cause of all of Iraq's problems. The USA has no policy of harming Iraqi civilians, in fact they have spent billions of dollars and much blood to protect Iraq. Many civilians have died in the course of fighting insurgents, and 1/2 of these deaths were from Sunni-Shia fighting. Sanctions on Iraq in the past were due to Saddam, and food/medicine was allowed through look it up. As we leave Iraq, Muslims are burning Iraqi churches...

[TruthbHeard]

Iraqis torturing dogs? U do know there is a very expensive underground dog fight industry all over the west right? And your gona hold 3rd world countries like iraq on same level as USA?

Those countries r being handed over to a puppet leadership obedient to the American Empire, look at the governments funded by USA in south america, egypt, pakistan, all dictators who protect western oil and resources, beat its own ppl kill for the USA god. U r jahil to all this reality arnt u.

[MuslimHumanism]

@ TruthbHeard Further, look up "Nubs" the dog. Iraqis routinely torture dogs much less themselves. USA can't be a scapegoat for Muslim violence, the Muslims have brought their problems on themselves and they are in denial about it because they WANT to believe that they are righteous. The USA attacked Afghanistan after the Taliban refused to give up Bin Laden, who killed 3,000 Americans. Both Iraq and Afghanistan are being handed over to their people. Ironically, YOU live in the evil USA, munafiq

[TruthbHeard]

OK u murtad very weak simple minded western humanist who feels superior to all other ways of life, very weak arguments and weak understanding of the last 200 years even. First of all i Live in USA cuz my lands were colonized and destroyed by Britian and the allies durring ww1, occupied for over 200 years, my ancestors were wealthy bfore the british came to india now they are in poverty most of them died some went to saudi otehrs came here

[TruthbHeard]

Like bin ladin, we can demand u hand over bush for killing millions of iraqis, but in your mind 3000 christians worth more then a million muslims, what about Israel and its destruction of palestine? Dont care huh thought so humanist.

JIhad was traditionally waged against tyrants and oppressors ie the Crusades. If jihad continued western kidnapping of 60 million africans would not hav happened, and no jews burnt in holocaust nor red indians wiped out in austrailia nor usa.

[taxssuck]

Ellison is missing Jasser's point big time!