Time for a New Women's Movement? - Ruth Reichl

[danieljh]

The more I run into these kind of videos...I am grateful that I chose to be a bachelor.

[JesusManson323]

So as a man I am expected to be away from my kids all day and slave my ass off at work. And if I don't like it, nobody cares. And I just see it as my duty. The one thing that I can be hopeful about is that my wife can deliver more nourishing comfort to my children in my absence than I can away at work. But if a woman does not want to do that, then suffer the children.

Welcome to "equality", women!

[humourfirst]

This is a fantastic video and anyone who doesn't agree should really take some more research in to the injustices of women in the work place. In fact they should do some research on the expectations of women in general.

[matonmongo]

Welcome to today's female narcissist. And sociologists wonder why college kids score so much higher now on narcissistic profiles than any previous generation... well, duh, look at their moms! BTW, these days it's back to work after 6 months maternity leave (only 6 months of mother/child bonding during the most important development period in the infant's life...)!!

[clumpofdirt77]

What the hell does she want? Does she want all women to be treated like royalty. If that's the case, the feminist movement has already succeeded. Just watch a sitcom sometime (e.g. Everyone Loves Raymond and King of Queens) and see what America thinks of men and women. Men, as portrayed in these shows, are brutish dumb fucks who are always in the wrong (dirty, illiterate peasants), while the women are beautiful and intelligent and are always in the right. (Btw, there're more jobless mn than wmn)

[cavaleer]

@clumpofdirt77 Very well said. This broad is typical of the so-called women who started this only to divide Americans and destroy American families. Hollywood and people like this are on the same team bro'.

[humourfirst]

@clumpofdirt77

Yeah well maybe thats because the role of a woman in comedy is still to be percieved better. The men are characterized as the dumbfucks because that is 'funny', the women are always the straight laced characters and are often used as a bouncing board for the husband characters. As someone who has been working in the comedy industry a long time, I can assure you that had the roles been reversed, there would be no sitcom - why? Because too many people don't accept women are funny.

[clumpofdirt77]

@humourfirst I beg to differ. Men acting like dumbfucks is not funny -- it is insulting and undignified. And I believe these sitcoms do reflect how men are perceived in this society, or at least how feminists want men to be perceived. I could be wrong. I don't know. Maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion. Maybe I'm just being a dumbfuck.

[humourfirst]

@clumpofdirt77

Well considering men have been holding the pen in comedy for the bulk of comedy's history tracing back hundreds of years to....well Id say what? 30 decades ago at the absolute most? It has been changing since then

but

Any dumbfuck male character you can almost always blame on a man for writing and that's not new. It's been going on for a very, very long time.

[swags006]

@humourfirst That's because a lot of girls focus on humour that is very negative

[humourfirst]

Respond to this video... Ah,,,here we go. Look bud, comedy in general is a release from something negative, whether that be a negative situation, a negative person or a negative past.

"Tragedy is when I cut my finger, Humour is when you fall in to an open sewer and die"

Not ALL comedy is negative, but the bulk of it roots from something negative. To say that applies to women only ..well either you are very stupid or flattering.

[swags006]

@humourfirst Fair enough!!! No, no I'm agreeing with you, my own socialization got the better of me. I'm educated in gender/sex relations and I find it hard to get my head out of the place it was put unto me my whole life. Even if I'm educated and deal with ppl who know better... I still get resocialized everytime I go out. It's kinda sad. I think that you're right however - thank you!

[SuperOxideDimutase]

well, we cant cut our national productivity in half now, too much debt.

[bazzatt1]

AREN'T YOU GUYS TIRE OF THIS WOMEN MOVEMENTS????

[cavaleer]

@bazzatt1 Yes, very, esp. because most women don't even know wtf it's about other than them getting their way ALL THE TIME.

[iMihaiCiprian]

Boy things are so much better, I don't think so.Because you have a lot of options then we do.You have a lot of job variety, you get hired faster then we boys are, the law also gives you credits because you are women, and that you are weak, and fragile and we are some monkeys jacked up on hormones and we molest you and stuff like that. In that case how come we invented so much for you, we helped with cooking, we built washing machines, we built cars, hairstyles, clothing stuff like that ..O.O

[kristallklar1]

"Choices for women are abysmal."

Hey, lady, if you think it's easy for men out there, you're delusional. In an increasingly feminized society whose institutions treat men like dumb beasts, it ain't that easy. Furthermore, with affirmative action, women have the leg up on men in terms of "choices." I wish this lady would actually face reality.

[Badguy260]

more men go to war so yeah shut up

[KM581]

Here's a choice, go make me a sandwich lol

[andharvey8]

A textbook example from Saul Alinsky's book on how to make a grab for power.

Guilt. Invoke lots of guilt.

If you make people feel guilty enough, they will suspend logic and reason in favor of any socialist agenda you place in front of them.

So a woman says to Ms. Reichl that she doesn't want to live like her, and suddenly this is my fault. Fuck this.

[InvalidAnon]

Keep the mothers home... get free house and food. Just for taking care of your kids. Do that. Its not sexist, Its just how I see the world as being good. Children need a mother and a father figure in their life.

[Axel10011]

i will admit that i am a man and i have to say i half support this. im all for the balance in things even tho i dont (nor does my wife) see anything that really needs to be changed (rather than getting less of a dick boss lol) the only reason i say i half suppost is because there are feminists around here that hate you despise you and downright hate the fact you exist just because your a man. bottom line is dont blame an entire gender for a couple of assholes mistakes ya know?

[BlackHeartMetal666]

"Choices for women are abysmal". The laws of this country nowadays favor women more so than men. How is it then, that the choices women have nowadays are so 'abysmal'?

[StephStance]

are you a woman?

if not,,, then I understand why you do not understand

[BlackHeartMetal666]

How does my gender reflect my incapablity of understanding? Ruth Reichl basically addresses her own opinions rather than real issuse. If you look at the video again, She only gives and example of a brief conversation then says "we need a new womens movement" There was no indication of any problems at all.

[Bubz444]

Yes, we need another womans movement... but we also need a new men's movement...

I was a girl raised by her father in the early eighties and pregnant by the time i was 18 - i now have a diploma, degree, and now post grad... thanks to the woman before me

[catgumart]

I'm absolutely pro equality for women but I disagree over certain aspects that forget that life isn't fair or equal for a lot of people who aren't women.Yes mainly men have to most of the power yes a lot of inequality exists still, yes social needs aren't being met for women but don't say that the systems that exist favor all men, all types of men. a lot of males experience inequality and stratification and unnecessary adversity within our society for many different reasons, this is overlooked.

[thpt]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if childcare was considered a supportable career path, no matter who or what did it? Then we could really give children -- and the future of our society -- the best start.

[Romalatti]

Social policies also must be visited with respect to women, who want to be mothers and many are, but have to work two jobs and do the job of two parents. The economic system needs to place a value on children at conception and hold the government and corporations responsible for what they are doing to our environment. Punitive damages paid to people suffering heath problems and financial stress due to the economic system.

[ConservativeAtheist]

WOW!.....I am not really sure what Women like this want???

I mean you actually have more rights than Men do at this point and your still whinning and complaining that its still not good enough.

When do people like her even consider the needs of anyone else? When do any of the needs or concerns of Men get aknowledged much less addressed I think the answer is never.

When do Men get the choice to work or stay at home?

I would really and truly like to know what Women like this want?

[garvess]

I was wondering the same thing. What the hell does she want? Women today have first grabs at any job before men, plus we have pretty much fool proof contraceptives so they dont have to have children if its so much of a burden. Not to mention the fact that the government forces the father to pay for the child until its eighteen. What more is there to be granted other than all the independance of a man?

[ConservativeAtheist]

I dont think you cant grant Women independance any more than Men were granted independance. Males are independant by nature atleast thats the way it is in this country.

[hemsyyy]

you guys are too blind......some jobs are grabs for women not alll....ask hillary clinton dont lie to us we (women) want to be women and love their men and earn a living without haven to feel like we dont have the right to have it all........even some men have seen our pain and they used to openly support us in larger numbers than we have today.....but what happened?....a GOOD STRAIGHT MAN

[StephStance]

unfortunately a great deal of men enjoy being above women.... it takes a HUMAN-BEING to want us all to really be treated equaly.

[BlackHeartMetal666]

In fact, please elaborate what Ruth is discussing then maybe I see if I can make sense of what she is saying.

[italianchappy]

All those interested in feminism should also read evolutionary psychology. If you don't get why there are differencex betwen males and females and how these differences have been brought forth by evolution you will not be able to do anything.

[Tearsoftheworld]

It is obviously that these problems are not limited in regarding the USA. Also in Germany women earn 20 % less working in the same position like men. A career and raising children don´t really fit well together. But here we have to realise that raising children is more than a job. It is a life-task. And you can put all your education and experience in it to raise your children to straight personalities.

[Tearsoftheworld]

You need a lot of bravery to speak out this truth nowadays.

[angryislander56]

yes it is. you poor bastards

[Politicrafty]

We need a man's movement in this country. Violent acts disproportionately take young men's lives. Men's jobs are frequently harder and entail more dangers and accidents than women's. Men are pushed into jails and wars disproportionately, indeed through discrimination.

The majority of young poor men are more likely to end up in jail or dead than in college. This cannot be said of women, whether they are complaining about the need for more women's movements or not.

[Bobbiethejean]

More males end up in jail because males commit the majority of violent crimes and aren't slick enough get away with them. That's not discrimination. Discrimination is assuming that a male is a criminal and not hiring/dating/allowing/admitti­ng/permitting etc etc.

Because males are more reckless, they must pay higher insurance premiums and THAT is discrimination (IMO) because it assumes all men are the same.

Btw, complaining? Like we complained about suffrage? Jeeze dude.

[Politicrafty]

Bobbie, I don't see a man's movement as being simply a fight against discrimination. You seem to be ok with men ending up in jail.

Is there something threatening to you about a man's movement?

About the complaining, I've been in women's studies classes, and I felt that that was the purpose of much of the work. I actually understand if some women need help, but, frankly, they aren't prevalent in the US. Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, and Somalia all have equality problems for women.

[therock27374]

Well women should ofc have equal rights...But I think we also need to understand that men and women are biologically different, it is afterall the women who give birth - not men, and therefore they should be given some "extra provisions" or something along those lines to help them cope.

[merdufer]

Now they say they want to be just like men; now they say they want to be different.

Have the cake or eat the cake.

[fatmanprime]

What the fuck is she talking about? Seriously, I didn't understand her point. It was incohorent rambling.

[McArrowni]

This is possibly because fora's videos on youtube are only parts of a bigger videos. Sometimes the context gets lost.

[GBS990]

What is truly shameful is this talking road apple will take money from other women and live the high life, and not one of those she pretends to represent will be a bit better off - ever.

[ozhall3]

"I don't want to be you, I don't want to be Superwoman." We should use this woman's ego to cover the hole in the ozone layer.

[Shadizar666]

it was the first woman's movement that screwed it all up

two wrongs don't make it right

[HoudiniRadini]

This video is what's shameful. How does she think men live? They have to deal with the same problems... home life or career? That's a standard sacrifice, one or the other, really to take both is extremely difficult.

[kdoehm]

You are absolutely right.

[glennd7962]

Right on! Woman rightfully wanted equality and freedom from patriarchal structures, well here is the world that has been wrought as a result. Men have sacrificed being close to their children forever to provide for them, only to be then criticized as distant and uninterested. The guilt and conflict are agonizing but men are raised to be resolute about it and take pride in providing for their families.

[Politicrafty]

We need a man's movement in this country. Women have cushy jobs that pay comfortable wages. They don't work in the dangerous positions that our country needs to have filled, those jobs fall to men. They don't have to register for the draft. They are less likely to die violent premature deaths. They are considered more beautiful, witty, important, and valuable.

Men have the shorter end of the stick, yet women complain so much more loudly. Women studies departments ensure pro-woman favoritism.

[Sabricent]

You're an idiot.

[desirefirst]

do you really think more sexism is the way to fix sexism?

[Politicrafty]

I don't think a man's movement would be sexist. We'd seek to help the poorest of the poor, the most fucked up of the crazy, and the least adapted humans. These are men, time and time again.

Preventing violence against men and exploitation of men is not sexism, it is legitimate pro-social action.  Feminists need to attend to women in Islamic countries, not in the West, where they have equal rights and men are worse off than them on average.

[Politicrafty]

I find your comment sub-par, Sabricent. Insults aren't going to improve the world any. Were there any points of fact that you contest in my comment?

[glennd7962]

Activism is acceptable only for those groups that are considered to be oppressed. White men are the oppressor s in every instance and need no formal support from the academy or government to maintain their power. LOL!

[Politicrafty]

glenn, I made no mention of race in my suggestion of a man's movement. I don't feel that white men would be more important to this movement than men of any color.

There are a great deal of men that are homeless. How are they oppressing anyone? Who is doing activism on their behalves? Yet this author who has never missed a meal or slept in a park is complaining about women's lives? There are more men who suffer in this country than women. We are in more physical danger and do harder work.

[Bobbiethejean]

That is an extremely insensitive thing to say, especially when you consider that 1/6 women have been raped and that women constitute the vast majority of domestic abuse victims and resultant murders.

[Politicrafty]

Yet rape centers exist for women exclusively. When men are raped they have no place to turn and no society that knows how to respond.

More importantly your reference to murder brings the overwhelming reality into focus: the reality that violence is a burden hugely carried by men. Men are victims of car accidents, assault, robbery, war casualties, and murder much more often! Women don't realize this because their women studies classes focus on the tiny minority of violent acts against women.

[Bobbiethejean]

You're acting like this woman is espousing the notion that men are less important and we should ignore male problems. That's just ludicrous. All she's saying is that female problems need more awareness. Is that so terrible?

I realize you probably don't mean to come across like you're telling us "uppity females" to shut up and sit down, but there is ever so slight a waft of that coming off you.

No decent person would cater to women's needs at the expense of men and she's not advocating we do.

[Politicrafty]

"All she's saying is that female problems need more awareness. Is that so terrible?" It is a problem, Bobbie. They have more awareness on every level, and as a result the problems men face grow worse and become necrotic.

I'm not telling anyone to shut up or sit down. I want men to stand up and speak up.

Every time you "cater" and give "more awareness" you do so at the expense of those that you ignore. Men at the bottom have been ignored in this manner too long.

[Bobbiethejean]

"Every time you "cater" and give "more awareness" you do so at the expense of those that you ignore."

That's plainly silly and I'm not even going to sugarcoat it. By your logic, raising awareness about cheetahs is detrimental to bananas. If men have problems then they should stand up and say something, not detract from women trying to raise awareness about their problems.

[Politicrafty]

I'm standing up and saying something, Bobbie.

What problem is she raising awareness of in this video? I mentioned several that men need to raise awareness about, and that merit a man's movement. I watched the longer foratv video and she doesn't substantiate the desire for a new woman's movement any more in it.

[Bobbiethejean]

She's not particularly eloquent, so what? That doesn't change anything. All that means is she's not the best spokesperson to stand up and say something.

Ya know, I'm sure you don't mean to come across this way, but you seem like a spoiled sibling who's mad that his brother got an ever-so-slightly bigger cookie and had the forethought to get some milk.

If you want to raise awareness about men's problems, do it. But stop poo-pooing women for standing up and talking about their problems.

[Politicrafty]

I actually think she's quite eloquent. She just talks about her mom.

Bobbie, your comments are getting less meaningful and more aggressive. Should we stop this discussion? You could go do kickboxing.

[Bobbiethejean]

Furthermore, I fail to see how this even has anything to do with men at all. If men have under-recognized problems, they should attempt to bring attention to them, not quash, badmouth, and poo poo women's movements out of sheer spite.

[Politicrafty]

I'm not doing it out of spite. Misandrist language does real damage to movements for justice and equality. Misplaced victimhood does not help men or women. These rich women talking about women's rights in the west make me think that this: watch?v=fnklOtfJRSE hasn't even registered on their radar screen.

It isn't out of spite, I want us to put our resources in the right places. I consider myself a feminist if it means "equal rights," not if it means "opposition to a (ill-defined)patriarchy".

[Bobbiethejean]

I have not problems with that. I'm all for equal rights. But we also have to be mindful of gender differences. Men and women are not the same and shouldn't be treated exactly the same.

Anyway. I'm an impatient motherfucker and this conversation is going no where. It was fun chatting. If you want to continue in PMs, that's fine but the 500 character limit is getting on my ass about now.

[Bobbiethejean]

What awesome planet are you living on? Women make 79cents to the dollar that men make. We are judged almost entirely on our looks and assumed to be vacant intentionless trollops until proven otherwise. Do you even want to know what horrible things happen to women who sign up for the military? If there were a draft for women, it would pretty much be a government incentivized rapefest. Think I'm being facetious? Look up the stats, it's horrific.

[Politicrafty]

You make 79 of the most comfortable cents ever made on a dollar in all of time. You do it in cushy offices that care about your feelings and protect your slightest of concerns. Meanwhile men are working at the lowest wages and putting their lives at risk for them.

[Politicrafty]

Bobbie, if you oppose a draft for women then you should oppose a draft for men. If you support a draft for men you should support a draft for women. It is a clear double standard, something I thought was anathema to feminist activists like you and I.

[ledwalrus]

First of all, your excuse is a cop-out. It's possible to support stronger protection for military women AND a draft for women.

Secondly, are you also familiar with the number of women who intentionally file FALSE rape and harassment reports in order to get out of their contracts or get stationed elsewhere? I hope so, because knowing that will change your perceptions of women and the military.

[Bobbiethejean]

I'm sure there are some women who do file false rape claims but what about all the ones that don't? Hm? I'll tell you what: go volunteer your anus to the most greasy unpleasant drunken bumfuck you come across and then you might have an inkling about what it's like to be raped. Bonus points if they knock out a few of your teeth and give you a black eye. Even more bonus points if they happen to be in a position of authority over you and can fire you or otherwise make your life miserable.

[Bobbiethejean]

By the way, the draft was abolished in 1973.

[Bobbiethejean]

Actually, the draft was abolished in 1973. I forgot to mention that.

[Politicrafty]

Registering for the draft wasn't abolished in 1973, Bobbie. It is still in place. The penalty for failing to do so doesn't just include an inability to be hired by the government, but can take the place of increased jail times or fines.

This is something women don't have to deal with, and it is discrimination. When pressed, since discrimination upon basis of gender is actually illegal in this country, women have a hard time coming up with an instance. They sure try though.

[Politicrafty]

I'm not trying to be hard on women's movements, Bobbie. I want to see them spread their attention to many cultures, Islamic, Tribal, and traditional ones around the globe.

When they act as if there is more oppression of women than men, however, it seems laughable. Men and women can each live hard lives, but on average a poor or middle class man has a harder life than a poor or middle class woman. Men crowd around the extremes, the best and the worst.

[Politicrafty]

On death row, most inmates (practically all) are men.  Now, it is easy to say "well, they deserve it" or something, easy and typical. I hear feminists blame men for men's problems frequently. If you were to ever blame a woman for women's problems though, there is outrage and questions about sexism.

So, tell me, if women were overwhelmingly on death row (this is the case in sharia divorce law) would women be silent? And why is it women complain about life in the west, when it is good here?

[Politicrafty]

The second you look at life again from a man's perspective, you see that rich white feminists seem so silly when they complain about other women's higher wages in pornography, or the already illegal rape that is universally abhorrent in our culture. What else can we do to help them?

And when the facts about the homeless, imprisoned, and injured at work are put on the table you hear an awful lot of women change their mind about the importance of identity politics.

[Politicrafty]

Sorry to dominate this, I just sat through several women's studies classes that disregarded what I had to say and spouted some misandrist nonsense, and I don't see why this rich successful author whose mom had a phd and controlled almost all the details of her own life (with a loving supportive "apologetic" husband) should play the pity card so publicly and be applauded for the egoism.

That being said, the real injustice is in sub-saharan Africa. Poverty and corruption are unparalleled there.

[garvess]

I couldn't agree more. This woman needs to quit with the self pity and delusions of grandeur( leading the new womens movement) and put her focus where women are actually opressed, like africa and the middle east. Its like shes read the script for a role playing "stereotypical bitter feminist".

[ConservativeAtheist]

Oh ok well yes Women are opressed in the Middle East and Africa but I dont believe they are in the West.

In fact I think things have gone to far in the other direction to where the law now unfairly favors Women over Men I wont name off all of the way unless you really want me to but I am quite sure you can think of a few without it.

[garvess]

Oh believe me, I can think of a few.

[hass1991]

name all of the ways!

[Bobbiethejean]

Men are bigger, stronger, more aggressive, and more inclined to fight than women. Maybe I'm suffering from a case of traditional-gender-role-stereo­types, and I don't doubt that there are many capable willing women; but I think battle is best left to the ones more able. I of course think women should be able to volunteer, but well... I could be persuaded otherwise on this particular issue. Though I think you are wrong in many other ways. I guess my PM was a little too TL;DR for your tastes?

[Politicrafty]

I don't know what TL;DR means, but I think your PM was right on target, mostly.

I'm not a fan of violence perpetrated by men or women. If I were to populate a very effective cost-efficient army today I would do it with robots. I just think that second wave feminists so worried about gender roles focused on changes that were already taking place, and didn't make much noise about the draft. Nor did they recognize the sacrifice that many men make, for the most part.

[Sardonac]

I'm most curious about what policy she proposes that might alleviate this guilt. A movement is useless if it isn't moving anywhere.

[JohnnyFuckinHardcore]

kill it with fire

[Chrisnoscrub047]

collectivism