One day I saw James Robison (Life Outreach Int'l) on TV talk about how his mother was raped. I thought about how if his mother had aborted him then he wouldn't be around to help all of the people that he does. I was one of those that thought abortion was ok if a woman was raped. I changed my mind after seeing this man's testimony. Murder is never right. Let's go after the rapist and give them more severe sentences and save the innocent babies.
The catholic church -is- against the death penalty, part of the reason it didn't celebrate the tilden murder. It's a very simple doctrinal concept; no man has the right to terminate the life of another.
Pretty sure that Kirston Powers is smarter than you and I combined..
Obviously you have not -understood- the Catechism;
"2267. If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person."
Which does not at all contradict the top sentences that you ignored:
"The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor. "
When is execution the "only" way to defend the lives of other human beings from the offender? Once you have them in custody, anything beyond keeping them in prison for life is just an act of vengeance, which the church condemns. Life in prison is also a lot cheaper..
I don't understand why someone who obviously isn't Catholic would read the catechism...
Yeah...Someone should tell Anne that over 60% of Catholics are pro-choice. Doesn't make them less Christian. And how does being pro-choice make you a "child molester"?
Catholicism is NOT a democracy. Her teachings are NOT determined by what the so called Catholic populace believe. Her dogmatic teachings stand, regardless of whether or not those who claim to be Catholic adhere to them or not.
Also I find it hilarious that at 1:48 Kirsten Powers is trying to paint herself as this fair-minded, judicious liberal, who is above calling the other side "right-wing fanatics," but her facade falls to bits at 4:23 when she starts calling the Christian Right "hypocrites" under the guise of other people saying it.
Kirsten Powers is a walking liberal joke, worthy of perpetual ridicule.
Kirsten Powers is a hopeless shell of a human being. Did you hear Ann interrupt her once when she was attacking her Christianity? But the moment Ann gets to respond, she is INSTANTLY interrupted by Kirsten, and she attempts to filibuster to avoid getting owned by someone who is manifestly superior to her -- in every way.
Ann Coulter > Kirsten Powers -- in every ramification.
Maybe women should "choose" to refrain from extra marital sex, so they wouldn't have to "choose" to murder a baby because they made a bad "choice" initially.
At 4:38 Kristen Powers says that she didn't say the Christians were hypocrites, she said "right wing Christians are hypocrites" WTF??? So left wing Christians are cool, but if you happen to oppose the killing of an innocent life, then you are a hypocrite? That is messed up!
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You didn't get it!
If you oppose the "killing if an innocent life" while not opposing the killing of life in general, then you are a hypocrite! (and then you are rather right-wing in your position) Powers point was that the catholic church is against both, yet GW didnt have to face the same kind of criticism (although he's for killing in general).
Not true!!!! My position on abortion does not affect my ability to reason. There is a difference between innocent unborn children and rapists and murderers. The murderer has been given a trial and been found guilty, what did the baby do? Also, do you know what they do to babies to kill them? It is insane!
It does not matter who found whom guilty or how insane which type of killing is. What mattered for her argument was that the catholic church is against the death penalty while GW is for it. Yet, GW's appearance was no problem and Obama's is. The hypocrisy which many left wingers see with conservative positions is that life seems to be utterly valuable until born but not so much afterwards in the right circumstances. (you could say the same about the left the other way around btw)
Yeah, I do feel sorry for women who find themselves in desperate situations. But there are other resources. You don't have to kill the baby, adoption is the logical choice for someone who isn't able to raise a child, those who justify killing the baby is just bizarre.
But then why are "pro-lifers" campaigning against abortion and not for adoption?? All of those poli-child christian families could have adopted their children! Why aren't they putting all the resourcing into efforts enabling more adoptions? All I see is pro-lifers picketing in front of abortion clinics to make the lives of women who already made a tough choice a little tougher.
Ummmm, if the women kill their babies, there wouldn't be any point in campaigning for adoption. That being said, a lot of Christian families do adopt or support mothers who are raising their babies with clothing, diapers, furniture and money.
Ummmm, even with women killing their babies children still grow up in children's homes. It's not about "some support" really, it's about making adoptions more attractive on a wider scale. Only then you can say "but hey they could just as well give up their babies for adoption" because so far, giving a child up for adoption especially if that child is black doesn't really promise a decent life for the kid.
So you'd rather a black child just die than deal with a not "decent" life. I know a lot of people who live not very decent lives who would still rather live than die. What kind of hubris does it take to consign people to death based on your standards of "decent" and their race?
@BiggsReport But some or maybe even most people bitch and complain about they're shitty life. Ironic that they have this obliging notion in their head that they should continue living, and yet they can't generally tolerate life's crap. Since when is having a baby a nesscessarity these days when you can't take care of it? It may as well rot in all the bullshit that people still can't fix. Suffer more when it is not need in most cases.
So? Although I have no stats on it I never disputed that! All I said was 'those who picket against abortions should rather picket for adoptions' ... fucking listen to what I'm actually saying you dumb motherfucker! (reciprocal-language ;) ) god bless!
@SkylineTime I think all that she's saying is people who oppose one but not the other are __perceived__ by some as hypocrites, not necessarily that she agrees with that notion (although the way she argues kind of implies that she does).
Personally I think that the distinction between between executing convicted murderers and killing unborn children is a very important one and not at all hypocritical.
I don't know about the others, but I would think that Ann Coulter's IQ is pretty high. She is very bright. Kristen Powers is smart too, but not on Ann's level.
someone needs to rip out ann coulters vocal chords
prodigy051985 2 weeks ago
@batkos90 your not the only one. Her tits look so huge and nice.
skepticthinker111 4 weeks ago
typical FOX debate: 3 to 1 ratio. after tucker carlson blathers on, former gutter talk show star and host confirms all he says as true.
octane629 1 year ago
Kirstin Powers is right, she seems to have the heart in the right place and wooow she is beautiful.
edicccc 1 year ago 3
I usually disagree with Kirsten but something about her gets me all tingly. Is she putting a liberal trance on me or something??
clayp72 1 year ago
About 2 minutes of rational discussion, and then Ann Culter comes in. What a cunt.
badtown88 1 year ago
i wanna fuck kirsten powers so bad
batkos90 2 years ago 12
I agree. She is damn fine, and I love her smirky grin
BamaChris 1 year ago 3
ann coulter is just crazy
oxmoxa 2 years ago
Kirsten Powers is the only reason any man should watch fox news.All that other shit equals nothing.
360KilDab 2 years ago 3
As usual, Coulter stays on point and surprisingly Powers goes off point. She obviously has an issue with Coulter.
gmaniac1 2 years ago
is it aginst the law to get pregnant abort the baby and sell the stem cells to buy crack??
mike1111qq 2 years ago
Yes, but not if you live in Florida.
gombis666 2 years ago
One day I saw James Robison (Life Outreach Int'l) on TV talk about how his mother was raped. I thought about how if his mother had aborted him then he wouldn't be around to help all of the people that he does. I was one of those that thought abortion was ok if a woman was raped. I changed my mind after seeing this man's testimony. Murder is never right. Let's go after the rapist and give them more severe sentences and save the innocent babies.
Ketherlin 2 years ago 2
How does that idiot Powers compare abortion to the death penalty?
And the Catholic Church is not opposed to the death penalty, according to the Catechism. Kristen is not a very knowledgable Catholic.
Reazzurro90 2 years ago
The catholic church -is- against the death penalty, part of the reason it didn't celebrate the tilden murder. It's a very simple doctrinal concept; no man has the right to terminate the life of another.
Pretty sure that Kirston Powers is smarter than you and I combined..
anticlimatic21 2 years ago
Obviously you have not read the Catechism.
Reazzurro90 2 years ago
Obviously you have not -understood- the Catechism;
"2267. If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person."
anticlimatic21 2 years ago
Which does not at all contradict the top sentences that you ignored:
"The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor. "
Reazzurro90 2 years ago
When is execution the "only" way to defend the lives of other human beings from the offender? Once you have them in custody, anything beyond keeping them in prison for life is just an act of vengeance, which the church condemns. Life in prison is also a lot cheaper..
I don't understand why someone who obviously isn't Catholic would read the catechism...
anticlimatic21 2 years ago
Ah yes, I forgot, only your priests can tell you what the Catechism says. Because they know all.
Reazzurro90 2 years ago
Yep, know-nothing hater. Thought so.
anticlimatic21 2 years ago
What are you talking about?
The only person I'm "hating" on is you.
Catholicism and Christianity in general has never condemned the death penalty, and there is no scripture you could point to that does.
Reazzurro90 2 years ago
Emphasis on the "know-nothing" part.
anticlimatic21 2 years ago
why bush support capital punisment. jesus dont n support death like unborn children.
gotwana 2 years ago
Someone should abort this retarded video.
TheCondor24 2 years ago
Yeah...Someone should tell Anne that over 60% of Catholics are pro-choice. Doesn't make them less Christian. And how does being pro-choice make you a "child molester"?
evanisntcool 2 years ago
60% of Catholics are pro-choice? I really think you should provide some evidence of that.
SkylineTime 2 years ago 5
@evanisntcool
Catholicism is NOT a democracy. Her teachings are NOT determined by what the so called Catholic populace believe. Her dogmatic teachings stand, regardless of whether or not those who claim to be Catholic adhere to them or not.
ariaane 1 year ago
Also I find it hilarious that at 1:48 Kirsten Powers is trying to paint herself as this fair-minded, judicious liberal, who is above calling the other side "right-wing fanatics," but her facade falls to bits at 4:23 when she starts calling the Christian Right "hypocrites" under the guise of other people saying it.
Kirsten Powers is a walking liberal joke, worthy of perpetual ridicule.
KinglyNumbaOne 2 years ago
Kirsten Powers is a hopeless shell of a human being. Did you hear Ann interrupt her once when she was attacking her Christianity? But the moment Ann gets to respond, she is INSTANTLY interrupted by Kirsten, and she attempts to filibuster to avoid getting owned by someone who is manifestly superior to her -- in every way.
Ann Coulter > Kirsten Powers -- in every ramification.
KinglyNumbaOne 2 years ago
ann coulter had her bony hypocritical ass handed to her by kristen powers... get over it.
coulter is about as intelligent as a bag of rocks.
darwinx01 2 years ago
Maybe women should "choose" to refrain from extra marital sex, so they wouldn't have to "choose" to murder a baby because they made a bad "choice" initially.
bammbamm12 2 years ago
what about rape?
fact is, 75 percent of people believe that abortion should be allowed under at least some circumstances.
this is according to the most recent gallup poll on the issue of abortion.
darwinx01 2 years ago
Nope. Murder is murder. And just because a girl is raped, doesn't give her the right to murder. But nice try.
bammbamm12 2 years ago 4
Republicans are gonna lose if they take away the rights of women to chose.
iLuvAkeys4ever 2 years ago
@iLuvAkeys4ever But they're still going to be here. That's just a fact.
Tetzukai 1 year ago
Ann Coulter---The Joke Of The Decade
premjit31 2 years ago
He's fatter because he's more full of shit than ever!
livefreeordie1970 2 years ago
Oh my goodness, Tucker Carlson has really let himself go! He's looking a little tubby here. He used to be a lot cute, what happened?
tucsonevan 2 years ago 3
At 4:38 Kristen Powers says that she didn't say the Christians were hypocrites, she said "right wing Christians are hypocrites" WTF??? So left wing Christians are cool, but if you happen to oppose the killing of an innocent life, then you are a hypocrite? That is messed up!
SkylineTime 2 years ago 4
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You didn't get it!
If you oppose the "killing if an innocent life" while not opposing the killing of life in general, then you are a hypocrite! (and then you are rather right-wing in your position) Powers point was that the catholic church is against both, yet GW didnt have to face the same kind of criticism (although he's for killing in general).
0800RelevantElephant 2 years ago
Not true!!!! My position on abortion does not affect my ability to reason. There is a difference between innocent unborn children and rapists and murderers. The murderer has been given a trial and been found guilty, what did the baby do? Also, do you know what they do to babies to kill them? It is insane!
SkylineTime 2 years ago
It does not matter who found whom guilty or how insane which type of killing is. What mattered for her argument was that the catholic church is against the death penalty while GW is for it. Yet, GW's appearance was no problem and Obama's is. The hypocrisy which many left wingers see with conservative positions is that life seems to be utterly valuable until born but not so much afterwards in the right circumstances. (you could say the same about the left the other way around btw)
0800RelevantElephant 2 years ago
you think abortion is brutal now? you can't imagine how brutal it would be if it were made illegal.
abortions wouldn't stop, they would just become back-alley operations.
darwinx01 2 years ago
Yeah, I do feel sorry for women who find themselves in desperate situations. But there are other resources. You don't have to kill the baby, adoption is the logical choice for someone who isn't able to raise a child, those who justify killing the baby is just bizarre.
SkylineTime 2 years ago
But then why are "pro-lifers" campaigning against abortion and not for adoption?? All of those poli-child christian families could have adopted their children! Why aren't they putting all the resourcing into efforts enabling more adoptions? All I see is pro-lifers picketing in front of abortion clinics to make the lives of women who already made a tough choice a little tougher.
0800RelevantElephant 2 years ago
Ummmm, if the women kill their babies, there wouldn't be any point in campaigning for adoption. That being said, a lot of Christian families do adopt or support mothers who are raising their babies with clothing, diapers, furniture and money.
SkylineTime 2 years ago 2
Ummmm, even with women killing their babies children still grow up in children's homes. It's not about "some support" really, it's about making adoptions more attractive on a wider scale. Only then you can say "but hey they could just as well give up their babies for adoption" because so far, giving a child up for adoption especially if that child is black doesn't really promise a decent life for the kid.
0800RelevantElephant 2 years ago
So you'd rather a black child just die than deal with a not "decent" life. I know a lot of people who live not very decent lives who would still rather live than die. What kind of hubris does it take to consign people to death based on your standards of "decent" and their race?
BiggsReport 2 years ago
@BiggsReport But some or maybe even most people bitch and complain about they're shitty life. Ironic that they have this obliging notion in their head that they should continue living, and yet they can't generally tolerate life's crap. Since when is having a baby a nesscessarity these days when you can't take care of it? It may as well rot in all the bullshit that people still can't fix. Suffer more when it is not need in most cases.
Tetzukai 1 year ago
@0800RelevantElephant
Moron- most adoption clinics ARE CHRISTIAN. Know what the fuck you're talking about before you repeat the same pro abortion talking points.
ariaane 1 year ago
@ariaane
So? Although I have no stats on it I never disputed that! All I said was 'those who picket against abortions should rather picket for adoptions' ... fucking listen to what I'm actually saying you dumb motherfucker! (reciprocal-language ;) ) god bless!
0800RelevantElephant 1 year ago
@0800RelevantElephant "But then why are "pro-lifers" campaigning against abortion and not for adoption??"
And they could have saved countless of children with adoption. Holy fuck, hypocrisy never gets old.
Tetzukai 1 year ago
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0800RelevantElephant 2 years ago
@SkylineTime I think all that she's saying is people who oppose one but not the other are __perceived__ by some as hypocrites, not necessarily that she agrees with that notion (although the way she argues kind of implies that she does).
Personally I think that the distinction between between executing convicted murderers and killing unborn children is a very important one and not at all hypocritical.
antred11 2 months ago
Tucker Carlson, Coulter, Kirsten Powers a collective IQ of .....
znotty 2 years ago
I don't know about the others, but I would think that Ann Coulter's IQ is pretty high. She is very bright. Kristen Powers is smart too, but not on Ann's level.
SkylineTime 2 years ago 4
oh brother!!!!
znotty 2 years ago
If you want more hypocrisy about the Catholic church, Vatican city had capital punishment in its books as late as 1969.
wafflethug 2 years ago
Coulter ROCKS!!
FkyGGGG 2 years ago 4