TwinF Travels: China's Three Gorges Dam Project

[Fish880]

@DrMMHMD strong emotive language and name-calling are symptomatic of a weak argument. That's strange, because we both agree on the point you finished with: China is doomed. Even if the glaciers melted tomorrow, there would still be water in the reservoir. Even if they melted tomorrow, there would still be winter snows which would melt in the spring. Even if they melted tomorrow, there would still be summer rains.

[Fish880]

@DrMMHMD you do realize that you are providing evidence against the point you are arguing, don't you? Snow storms in the winter are precipitation. Even if the millennia-old glaciers disappeared, frozen and liquid precipitation will continue and there will always be floods. PERIOD.

[Fish880]

@DrMMHMD I'm saying you can't do either as effectively when you try to build a single dam for both purposes. A jack of two trades, master of neither

[Fish880]

@DrMMHMD Yep, it flows from glaciers. Almost all rivers are fed by either an aquifer or snow/ice melt. (If they weren't, how would they still flow during their region's dry season? I was talking about FLOOD CONTROL. It matters not what the rivers main source is, given heavy enough rainfall, any river can and will flood. Barring a volcanic eruption (which has occured in the past (but that is known as a Lahar)) Glaciers don't accelerate their melting greatly enough to cause floods, even in summer.

[Fish880]

@DrMMHMD Are you seriously suggesting that the Yangtze's overflow in 1931 which affected 28.5 million... was caused by glacial melting?

[Fish880]

@DrMMHMD Hey! honestly thank you, it is interesting to see what I was up to 2-3 years ago. With regard to your point, environmental "science" is shaky at best (climategate anyone?) They used to call it Global Warming, then they renamed it "Climate change" (No really? Earth's climate can/has changed?!?). If it is what they want everyone to think it is, there'll be a trend of shifts in local climates to the extremes of temperature/weather. If that happens, what's to say the floods won't get worse?

[Zhdophanti]

@DrMMHMD

The glaciers arent causing floods .. it's heavy rainfall

[rkseeds]

GREAT CHINA. KEEP IT UP. THESE WESTERNS HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WRONG IN THIS WORLD. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THAT DISTURBING ENVIRNMENT AND GLOBAL WARMING, BUT THEY ALWAYS KEEP OTHER PEOPLE AND COUNTRIES SUGGESTING NOT TO DO THIS, NOT TO DO THAT. FUCK YOU ALL WSETERNS. THEY FEEL LOT LOT OF PAIN IF ANY OTHER COUNTRY DEVELOPS. FUCK YOU ALL BASTERDS

[MrFuznubz]

@rkseeds true, westerners (such as myself) have created a lot of global warming, but china is rising up in pollution, and they may very well surpass us in emissions soon. get your facts straight hater. and i may be an american citizen, but that does not mean that i want, or even support anything the united states government does.

[rkseeds]

GREAT CHINA. KEEP IT UP. THESE WESTERNS HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WRONG IN THIS WORLD. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THAT DISTURBING ENVIRNMENT AND GLOBAL WARMING, BUT THEY ALWAYS KEEP OTHER PEOPLE AND COUNTRIES SUGGESTING NOT TO DO THIS, NOT TO DO THAT. FUCK YOU ALL WSETERNS. THEY FEEL LOT LOT OF PAIN IF ANY OTHER COUNTRY DEVELOPS. FUCK YOU ALL BASTERDS.

[bonjouretavoir]

i'm sad their building the dam =(

i mean they're destrying the beautiful enviroment and some of chinese culture.

=(

[timfidotru]

@bonjouretavoir

Well, of course some stupid several 1000 year old junk and lazy animals are more important then taming the devastating floods and creating an overwhelming source of green energy.

They' d better make few hundreds of nice coal plants, and have great fun with the floods every year, don't they?

[SmellPushBabalush]

i like waffles >.>

[1cosgrave1]

the dam could produce 10% of chinas energy, IF it was in full working order RIGHT NOW. but china is in the middle of a industrial revolution, so by 2011 the dam will only be able to produce 3% of chinas elctric power, and by 2020 i'm sure it will be far far less....

[ClassicTVMan81]

Other names of Yangtze River:

Yangtse or Yangtze Kiang (Postal Map)

Yang-tse or Yang-tze Chiang (Wade-Giles)

Yangzi Jiang (Pinyin)

Chang Kiang (Postal Map)

Ch'ang Chiang (Wade-Giles)

Chang Jiang (Pinyin)

[allyoucouldhave]

I am so upset about those stupid people, in particular, from western. They do not know anything, but make a lot of comments about anything in China. Go mind your own shit.

[MrFuznubz]

@allyoucouldhave Learn grammar, and don't tell me whose shit i should be minding. I didn't build the worlds largest dam on a fault line.

[jimmyjamesWang]

Changjian is an ancient dragon that protects, nurtures, and sometimes discipline the people of China. What right does any human establishment has to put a chain right around His neck!? Quit bullshiting as if you truely love China!! You love your filthy money and your luxuries! You shall kneel before the great mountains and rivers of thy motherland, and kiss the very ground that bore you and the grains that feed you!!

[yangfred1]

Why china develop so quickly. Whenever they go out of country and get any information out of country, they always try to find something to learn and improve. Instead, the westerns come over China and always find something wrong or short of something. Yes, they are short of something, that is the time. After 10 years, China will overpass the US. And that moment, the westerns are going to understand everything.

why doing things like have-to instead of want-to?

[jimmyjamesWang]

I disagree, yangfred1. First of all, why care so much what the foreigner says? Let they say whatever they want to say, because this is not their land, not their culture, not their past, and most of all it is not their future. But the what the Dam Project reveals is one of the most woeful problems of our great chinese society! For what good is development if it costs our health, and the beauty of our very own matherland!!! When you barely see the blue sky anymore!

[jimmyjamesWang]

What good is development if it meant that the very water that gave birth to our ancestors' great civilization are poisoned with polution!!! What use is development, what good is money, is modernization if it costs us our health, and it costs us our traditional values and beliefs!! If it meant forgetting that which makes us Chinese!!! We are chinese not because of our ethnicity or of our clan, it is because our love for this unique piece of land, these mountains and rivers, only these are ours!

[dola49]

I agree, modernization is worthless, if we destroy life and nature.

we have to take care every single tree, every single bird, every drop of water which Allah gave us.

[jimmyjamesWang]

We were never a bit like the western people who just move on to another land when they are bored with europe. We are, each and every one of us chinese, born with a terrable homesickness!!! That no metter where I am, China is in my heart!! Be it the China were two people wear 1 pair of pants or the China that is nothing but rubbles and ruins! This is our land!! How can ever let it poisoned by human greed, near-sighted stupitity!!

[yangfred1]

forget about hydro-electricity, because that is only one of the project's by-product. The dam is basically for the flood, which happens every decade killing people and destroy properties tremendously.

The project was planned over 50 years and based on huge research, experiment and consultation. the paper works can be over 100 tons.

So visitors, don't try to find problems instead of learning and understanding some thing. You are doing what you are not able and supposed to do.

[erewhile]

This is a new target for the US and Japanese military. If this dam is attacked, I think we should retaliate with nuclear weapons.

[jimmyjamesWang]

we dont need to, we have enough long range conventional bullistic missiles and cruise missiles to annihilate all american presence in east asia and in the middle east, even with their missile defence system.

[Fish880]

Floodgates don't generate electricity and turbines don't emergency discharge...

[Fish880]

No, you can't force water through a turbine. China has historically had massive and fast rising floods. The sheer volume that comes down the Yangtze is enormous. In order to prevent the dam from overtopping, they will have to release massive amounts of water. You cant run the turbines when water is tearing through during a flood stage, or you risk damage to the blades, or even having the entire turbine ripped out of its mounting.

[edintian]

I like this wee film - informative, brisk and laden with info for students........

[Fish880]

Dams can be built for two purposes; hydroelectricity, or flood control. You can't do both with the same dam. Gotta have a constant flow to generate electricity, and you need to retain water for flood control.

[zassounotsukushi]

I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that.

[Fish880]

well I don't think I am, so please do your own research. (I work as an engineer on the Grand Coulee Dam)

[propolis0echinacea]

well fish you dont work in china and you dont under stand how the dam works, do you?

[Fish880]

I suppose you think that chinese dams work differently than any other dams in the world? By the way, the first Chinese Hydroelectric engineers were instructed in America, so whose dams might they use as models?

[lookn4thepowpow]

I suppose there are locks on it for ships??

[andyyyleigh]

chinas gay

[jdubwa]

asians rock

[grantman2]

very good... gave me a good overall idea of what was going on

geo

[Jamball88]

ohh leelefever....you crazy SOB...you dun it again. I enjoyed your video, but the wording that was providided was beyond me, and i really felt as though when you studdred towards the end that it ruined what you were trying to get across to your audience. Fix it now.

[xaxen]

Didn't know much about the project, glad you summed it up. Good work and good voice as well.

[kingofallwhites]

The Holocaust of the Yangtze's River Dolphin.

[demisangbelge]

Good effort

[chasingsundown]

thanx so much for this amazing post!!!

UNREAL!!!

cheers

[marleyjay01]

you sound homosexual...

[jdubwa]

at least he did something good then you whos sitting on your butt calling people

[marleyjay01]

grow up stupid

[spartan688082]

Im going to use this in a powerpoint presentation for school, hope u dont mind. where can i download this? thanks.

[tonyweter]

great moive,yeah,china is the place with the fastest changes ever in this world

[blackredberry]

nice explaination

[katenyah]

Is there a possibility I could download this somehow? I am doing a presentation on this dam in my college class and this would be incredibly valuable in my powerpoint discussion. I would give you credit, of course.

[britoca]

I believe the primary objective of this dam is power production, and not to "create a reservoir that will prevent floodwaters from rushing down the river and kill thousands of farmers"

Thank you for posting nonetheless, pretty amazing stuff!

[stratnolegs]

Great stuff, insightful video.

[mofo269]

this is really interesting. thanks for taking the time to explain what the native people think of this.