Can't we all just get along?

[Broatch6]

yeah bob. you no it. you no the street. you no the guys you dont want to mess with. you no the guys you dont want to CHEAT.not ever. not unless you wanna be cut to the chase

uncontrolled aggresssion. the vicious and the greedy. survival of the toughest. survival of the fittest. its WISE guys bob NOT nice guys. tell yur mate richard

another thing. why not just be sucksink. just say DONT cheat wise guys. dont even fucking think about it

[Robikus]

Just finished 'Nice Guys Finish First' and now am wondering why all the A**holes on wallstreet aren't sat down and forced to watch it. Could do us all a lot of good. Let's make our leaders watch it too.

[Robikus]

your posted link is no longer valid. Anywhere else to find that video?

[MetaBob]

I just updated the links in the sidebar.

[Robikus]

Thanks dude, you rock!

[TheInfinityLab]

Yes, less avatars are possible on YouTube.

Unless you wear a mask...

The links on Youtube are smarter too!

More like Nelson envisioned.

[TheStoicAgnostic]

humans represent chaos very well it's very cool they'll always argue it's one of the few things i'm almost sure of i fucking hate cheating i come across as a dumbass so i've been questioned about it just for doing well my professor's don't understand they are unnecessary to me (library is better) i don't care about grades but i invested enough i need that proof(diploma)

[TheStoicAgnostic]

haha

these kind of youtube channels

are great

you can drop your opinion even if your opinion is that people have too many opinions

[zkwaerwaivbace]

great vid.

tit for tat with occasional forgiveness (to break retaliatory cycles) is the current iterative-PD champ, i think.

although recently, a team 'won' by submitting a group of bots who recognized each others' secret handshakes and then cooperated within a pre-defined hierarchy. so the 'leader-bot' came out on top overall, but that seems like cheating, if you ask me.

i have no idea if they were trying to make some kind of point.

[MetaBob]

You scooped me here. I just read about the new forgiveness version in David Sloan Wilson's "Evolution for Everyone." I plan to vlog about it, though usually it takes months for me to get to things.

[zkwaerwaivbace]

aw crap, sorry about that. look forward to the follow-up.

cheers

[MetaBob]

That's okay, I'm not the only one allowed to know these things. ; )

[TruthDevours]

It's organic functioning. That's basically how bacteria colonizes. If more systems favored competition rather than cooperation, there would be A) less diversity, i.e. less adaptablity B)less numbers, i.e. less work done = less work finished C)the small numbers that survive would constantly be working to make up the sum, i.e. hunter/gatherer clans would never discover agriculture which = stablity = growth. This video inspired the hell out of me. I wonder if you're a socialist.

[cryptographix]

I just discovered TruthDevours isn't a creationist. I feel bad for arguing with him a while ago.

[the14told]

the golden rule is

play nice and patiently wait

for the right moment

to put that knife in

(or cut loose at least at last:))

[otakutalk]

I remember actually "playing" this game in my high school philosophy class. It really opened my eyes, not only to economics and game theory, but to morality as well. Great vid!

[GoneB4Unoit]

Yeah right, tell that shit to Dick Cheney.

[theheathyfella]

game theory and it's off shoots like Isiah Berlins 'Negative freedom' hypothesis have never worked when applied in real life.

the society's in question Russia and Iran have both then retorted to Nationilstic or fundementalist ideology.

They resort back to altruism and collectivism.

[Conservative25]

CUNT

[fycanibal]

i love that, stuck with your personality! that's great! that's going in my favourite quotes.

[svevendeord]

I liked this video.

[racsonam]

i like that. Un nice guys finish last

[zzbullan]

a better analogy is the prisoners dilema,

[mysterywalker]

there was an old sci-fi book where machines evolved into cooperating human-like beings at about our level in the middle ages. the first ten pages or so describing the evolution was pretty fascinating and paralleled some of this stuff. can't for the life of me remember the title

[amazingdavidman]

I think in order for this co-operation game theory stuff to work both parties have to percieve themselves as equals, and while people's inherent worth may be equal, their usefulness isn't always. There are people in the atheist community I percieve as being too childish to be anyone's equal, and I've seen less maturing and more the opposite in some posters, who started out incredible but recently have become borderline maniacal.

[Castaa]

Thanks Bob for the shout out. In terms of anonymity and the behavior, I think there are 2 things to consider.

Maybe the 1st flame wars started with people yelling from within automobiles at each other. Even though people can see each other, the still yell (flame away) at each other in much more hostile way than if they were standing face to face.

2nd is that teenagers are much more nasty to each other with communication and YouTube and Internet message boards are heavily populated by teens.

[IntellAGent2o71828]

Bob,

Your explanation was very good. If I do find the reference mentioned in response to leporidus above, I may make a small video, since it would be difficult to explain in the limits allowed for comments.

[MetaBob]

Any luck on this reference? If you find it, please do make the video? (Why am I replying to this a month later, you ask? Your Zeno's paradox question on my channel made me go looking for any earlier communication we might have had. I wish YT would add a user comment history feature, cuz I'm lousy with names.)

[scoutie111]

Very interesting. Hadn't even heard of this particular work/study. It seems to me that it's one thing to be altruistic/cooperative and socially savvy; it's another to be altruistic/cooperative and socially naive. I think the former is probably more successful (i.e., the cheater doesn't always win). From what I can tell, this hypothesis is not examined by this study.

[AzazelLucifer42]

What you described as the Golden Rule was not the Golden Rule. If they had followed that, they would have always cooperated. That fails. Tit-for-tat is not the Golden Rule.

[oogashakaooga]

Where can I get some of these "tats" so I can exchange them for tits?

[AzazelLucifer42]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I don't konw, but if you find out, let me know.

[docrufus]

Ya- nice.

[oogashakaooga]

That was pretty damn good, MetaBob.

I really liked the double feature "Even More Fun with MetaBitch" + "Can't we all get along?"!

Drama for the apetizer and an insightful analysis for the main course! Fun for the whole family!

[jasonhoblin]

fascinating.

[waltherchemnitz]

I would be interested to know if any of these kinds of experiments show individual programs going down a negative route, towards not just cheating, but murder and other antisocial behaviors. The reason I ask is from what I've gleaned the experiments don't show or address why it is that this 'learned' doesn't become the norm for all people.

[Nickle0deon]

Ahhh..this is a much beter perspective ;-)

[Trenholmes]

absolutely fascinating.

[kingsize566]

Aye, tit-for-tat rox.

[leporidus]

Douglas Hofstadter wrote in Scientific American 5'1983 about "The Prisoner's Dilemma: Computer Tournaments and the Evolution of Cooperation", partly based on Robert Axelrod's book. Hofstadter's article is also in his book "Metamagical Themas" (ch. 29). I haven't read that far yet as I'm still stuck with ch. 10...

[IntellAGent2o71828]

I originally encountered the "Prisoner's Dilemma" in Scientific American. (I used to subscribe to Scientific American.) I think, as I recall, in later trials, the "tit-for-tat" program was overthrown as the winner. I will try to find a reference.

[XxTrailofDeadxX]

You should be getting ad money from Dr. Pepper.

[vidensodoacer]

Diet Dr.Pepper tastes JUST LIKE regular Dr.Pepper.

Either way, I've got to see more into this experiment.

[niceonetom]

youtube also has a mix of the two systems of communication though i.e. i, as a non-vlogger, can anonymously berate people who have given up their anonymity by facing the camera. i try not to though, it's tacky. good stuff bob.

[yellowlabrador]

good explanation ofhow the golden rule works.

[mrmortonblogs]

That is just a brilliant experiment. Thanks so much for sharing it.

[nicanicamad]

I enjoyed this Bob. It sadly sounds like my life in a way.

[happyfinesad]

Eww. Diet soda.