you dont do those actual moves in a game. it grows you ball handling skills. if you cant dribble, youll get ripped by good players. its for BALL HANDLING. youll use it in EVERY game
I don't see why everyone is giving them shit. "Basketball isn't all about dribbling", "You have to know more than just dribbling". You guys act like they practice dribbling all day--which they don't, I'm sure. These are just drills, good ones at that! You have to know how to dribble, and cross-over. These are great ball-handling skills. I guarantee all of the people in this video will break your fucking ankles and drive straight to the hoop! Than you wished you would have payed attention!
@ShwongKing23 the title clearly says "dribblig drills" if u would of watched the video and there shooting you would of been pretty pissed off because thats not what the title said.
That white boy was doing the spider.and no im not racist. He is actually good. Im still practicing on my handling though too lol. Im good height. 5'9 at 14
yo guys im 5'11 and 20 years old. I really want to reach at least 6'1 so i can dunk n shit. I want to reach my maximum possible height. My dad is only 5'6 so he really kills my height lol, but i know i can get taller still. genetics isnt a huge factor. i heard michael jordan grew 4 inches in one summer and same with charles barkley. what kind of stuff u have to eat to gain that much height in 1 summer? im a bit lactose intolerant so any options other than milk?
@327372 i heard they got some kind of protein pills for that type of stuff but you can also eat alot of protein eggs nuts meat at 6'5 im the tallest in my whole family aunts uncles cousins etc who for the most part all fall under 6 feet they think im crazy when i say that . but ur 20 so you should have one or 2 good growth spurts left and also stretch as much as possible
read the post under this first@327372 and keep ballin and exercisin or the protein will turn to fat i know i been talkin too much but u can look up different stuff to do and check out gnc their a whole store of vitamins and stuff for what you r talkin about
@bigstewnumber52: Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
@bigstewnumber52: Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
@bigstewnumber52 Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
@bigstewnumber52 Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
@Mrkillthatnoise ur a fake fat man sittin behind the computer actin like u can play u probably couldnt even make it for your school . u r not the white kid !
@Dsawya28 actually, you dont. these drills are meant to BUILD coordination. these are all good drills, and so are 2 ball drills. i used to be straight trash at basketball until i got my handles down. it just makes you that much better
those are handle'z thats basic stuff we do spider dribble relays where we go back and forth full court, pound one ball in right hand and basic dribble in the left/ vice versa, dribble two balls behind the back, thru my legs, swing the purse dribble thru both legs walking with one hand is my new one
All the youngsters care about these days is dribbling. Old school used to be about putting the ball in the hole. Greatest of all time? Jordan, who was an average ball handler at best in terms of flash.
average ball handleR? lol he put it through his legs like 4 or 5 times b4 he drove 2 da net, ball handle and control waz one of his best features including his air ability..
and all those dribbles dont mean shit in a game.. lmao. i dont remember ever seeing mj do "the spider" during one of his championship games . people say that it is good for practice.. and it probably is.. but being a good dribbler doesnt make u a great basketball player. is it impressive? sure.. if u plan on joining the circus
if you dont have handles you dont got game. thats it, these drills help u become better handler, you can shoot all you want you can dunk all you want you can dribble all you want.but if u aint got handles u aint got game,. obviously u dunt kno anything bout dis game.
and you can dribble as well as you want, but if u cant finish a shot, youre worthless. my point is.. people obsess over dribbling.. theres more to being a great basketball player than dribbling..
well handles is the most important part of the game for guards thats why they work hard, plus in college and some highschool teams will make you do handle drills two ball handle drills even, handles is the most important part of devolping your game.
Sure but if you like dribbling why dont dribble ? You should dribble if you think its cool, dunk if you think its cool and shoot if you think its cool. You sound like a guy who hates dribbling, but dribbling is maybe the biggest part in a basketball game, atleast a streetball game so therefore importent. Also you can allways pass the ball instead of shooting it.
Yea you have to finish your shot and be able to shoot and all, but if you can't dribble you won't be able to get your defender off you and create your own shot, rendering your shooting ability useless in a real game. And how can you finish a layup if you can't get into the lane in the first place?
its helps you gain a relationship with the ball. it helps hand eye coordination and helps you get used to using your hands and the ball together so in a game you don't have to think twice about dribbling and think more on the other parts of the game (court awareness, shooting, passing, etc.)
HAHAHAHAHA!, I am using all these dribbles and and I am already dribbling like JOHNNY BLAZE,OMG!, IT REALLY WORKS!!, IT ONLY TOOK ME 5 MONTHS TO BE A SPEED BALLER!
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AhmadiyyatCentenary 1 month ago
No. It can't be 2 minutes drills since the video is not 2 minutes. Thumps up if its true!!
KhanBallers 2 months ago
spectacular
richy2miracle 2 months ago
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macnolds 2 months ago
nice have a look at my vid
krissnr12 4 months ago
nice
krissnr12 4 months ago
what's the point of being able to do that? ive never seen anyone use that to their advantage in a game.
TheNickPritchard 5 months ago
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you dont do those actual moves in a game. it grows you ball handling skills. if you cant dribble, youll get ripped by good players. its for BALL HANDLING. youll use it in EVERY game
TheSoundCreatoroct30 22 hours ago
dats my nigga joey! he's funny as shiiit, plays in saint marys university now, hopefully he makes it to the nba, he can straight ball
kcmcgrady 5 months ago
I don't see why everyone is giving them shit. "Basketball isn't all about dribbling", "You have to know more than just dribbling". You guys act like they practice dribbling all day--which they don't, I'm sure. These are just drills, good ones at that! You have to know how to dribble, and cross-over. These are great ball-handling skills. I guarantee all of the people in this video will break your fucking ankles and drive straight to the hoop! Than you wished you would have payed attention!
swaguymusicpage 6 months ago
I find the song... if someone need it -> "Prodigy - Keep it thoro"
iceto0o0o 6 months ago
name of the song?... awesome vid ;)
iceto0o0o 6 months ago
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iceto0o0o 6 months ago
hey man really really this video is good but not better what my you understand my ha im am your night mare
oscar5987 7 months ago
people didnt read the title of the video its dribble drills of course it aint about dribbles
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jordpaul 8 months ago
What is the name of the song?
Ikilledkenny1995 9 months ago
@Ikilledkenny1995 THORO BY PRODIGY ,,H.N.I.C ALBUM I THINK 2001 ...
anchorbaby213 9 months ago
Doubt hell use most of those skills on the real game.
dandokiller 9 months ago
@dandokiller true but still its harder to sleal the ball w/ tht speed nd more control
thaRealHERO20 6 months ago
song name plz
AKAdemikize 9 months ago
arms are burnng..
kb826062871 9 months ago
i was the 420th like on this vid its tight
kslayz420 9 months ago
Amazing
Robecartist 9 months ago
Basketball aint all about dribbling you know?
XxLilBxX1 10 months ago 2
you guys suck..play the game dont just dribble.
davidnikolaychuk 10 months ago
afro kid looks like nick young
mxs703 1 year ago
you gotta be black or a afro hair...if are a black guiy with a afro...MAN!
jvpavan10 1 year ago
1:16 now with your left , white guy
shootinggguard9 1 year ago
That little boy has more handles than me and I'm twice his age.
AlexanderRight 1 year ago
What's the name of the song ?
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hoopdreams2g2btru 1 year ago
I beat they cant shoot
joejkl789 1 year ago
0:24 is that josh childress? omg!!! O:
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hoopdreams2g2btru 1 year ago
i swwwear the mans with the afro
is ryan harrow.
kjquito 1 year ago 2
They are all very simple drill except for 1:02. I have been doing these drills for a month now and it really helped my game a lot.
seigard325 1 year ago
how about shooting drills? cuz none of u can shoot
ShwongKing23 1 year ago 6
@ShwongKing23 the title clearly says "dribblig drills" if u would of watched the video and there shooting you would of been pretty pissed off because thats not what the title said.
case closed
killertboy16 2 months ago
How can the white boy play? Spider dribble figure eight dribble is all easy shit.
jbauer2 1 year ago
@jbauer2 yeah but those are hard when its just finger tips
mexico4evah 1 year ago
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clestomcrossover 1 year ago
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. These are some great freaking moves, and that white boy has some skills for his age that i've never seen.
I had a lot more confidence in my dribbling until i watched this video.........huh, oh well, time work on that some
NateofATL 1 year ago
White boy, Rory Grace... He's 25... I think, He hasn't done anything of what i hear or my research, Grate player don't get me wrong.
zaymar415 1 year ago
explizit feat. e-money " life in the fastlane"
jeanlouis7 1 year ago
im so trash with my left
tiptippinonmydick 1 year ago
He is Rory Grace age 16. He's now 24.
ZOOdLiGHT 1 year ago
@ZOOdLiGHT so this video is from 8 years ago?? doesn't look like it to me.
atrickpay11 1 year ago
That white boy was doing the spider.and no im not racist. He is actually good. Im still practicing on my handling though too lol. Im good height. 5'9 at 14
gameboyjwalt 1 year ago
yo guys im 5'11 and 20 years old. I really want to reach at least 6'1 so i can dunk n shit. I want to reach my maximum possible height. My dad is only 5'6 so he really kills my height lol, but i know i can get taller still. genetics isnt a huge factor. i heard michael jordan grew 4 inches in one summer and same with charles barkley. what kind of stuff u have to eat to gain that much height in 1 summer? im a bit lactose intolerant so any options other than milk?
327372 1 year ago
@327372 i heard they got some kind of protein pills for that type of stuff but you can also eat alot of protein eggs nuts meat at 6'5 im the tallest in my whole family aunts uncles cousins etc who for the most part all fall under 6 feet they think im crazy when i say that . but ur 20 so you should have one or 2 good growth spurts left and also stretch as much as possible
bigstewnumber52 1 year ago
read the post under this first@327372 and keep ballin and exercisin or the protein will turn to fat i know i been talkin too much but u can look up different stuff to do and check out gnc their a whole store of vitamins and stuff for what you r talkin about
sorry for the long ass response too lol
bigstewnumber52 1 year ago
@bigstewnumber52: Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
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@bigstewnumber52: Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
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@bigstewnumber52 Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
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@bigstewnumber52 Thanks for the info bro! ye i was thinkin' protein would help. I was only 5'5 in grade 9 and by grade 12 i reached 5'11. Im gonna buy some lactose-free milk and chug that shit down everyday. I was also wondering if weight lifting would affect my height? I want to start serious weight lifting after I have reached my maximum height. EZ.
327372 1 year ago
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327372 1 year ago
i no how to play basket ball but i dont no how to do dat wat dat boy just did lol
kenyatta852 1 year ago
he may b 22 now but not when this video was taped
jdeezle7 1 year ago
too easy
lilmeezyproductions 1 year ago
Dime55 all day! The Notic 4 Life!
MICHAELakathakid81 1 year ago
Hahaha that the hell dude. that white kid is me. Where did this vid come from?
Mrkillthatnoise 1 year ago
@Mrkillthatnoise that white kid is 22
DawgFL 1 year ago
@DawgFL how u know?
BallinBroBryce 1 year ago
@BallinBroBryce there are profiles everywhere
DawgFL 1 year ago
@Mrkillthatnoise ur a fake fat man sittin behind the computer actin like u can play u probably couldnt even make it for your school . u r not the white kid !
1swaggfamous1 1 year ago
ya that white kid is good
littleman595 1 year ago
@littleman595 he is 22 so not a kid
DawgFL 1 year ago
I guarantee you i could school that white kid, And he looks like a retard.
BurstBrothersPking 1 year ago
@BurstBrothersPking stop talkin smack he'll cross u in to next week
1swaggfamous1 1 year ago
check out my dribbling drills
promisetodie23 1 year ago
Sick , Im watching and searching notic videos for 3 years now , and they are one of the best .
Too bad as rumors say notic 3
WON'T be comin' out
These are true guys and they still play ball not for money too. Thats true love to the game !
THESTONEization 1 year ago
SuperJump2010, on YouTube, Im jumping 4 & 1/2 feet in the air, it is amazing
seros2010 1 year ago
i think you have to have extremly good coordination in your hands to do those drills
Dsawya28 1 year ago 4
@Dsawya28 actually, you dont. these drills are meant to BUILD coordination. these are all good drills, and so are 2 ball drills. i used to be straight trash at basketball until i got my handles down. it just makes you that much better
beave700 1 year ago
soft
Time3to3fly9488 2 years ago
song: prodigy - keep it thoro
skgnj 2 years ago
omg 0:57
Ousvec 2 years ago
you dont hit with arms..you hit with fists and elbows. and you dont have to be skinny for those to hurt
ahmedinho13 2 years ago 3
most basketball players are skinny as shit, they need to hit the weights
bauerdrivepride 2 years ago 6
most muay thai fighters or monks are also skinny but they will break the biggest dudes on the planet.
Maxmus050 2 years ago 3
Skinny guys have bonnier arms. Bony arms hurts like hell.
WtfItzHuy 2 years ago 3
our school
we are big on weights and we end up being way to strong for the teams we play
clayj4727 1 year ago 2
song???
Gamerzhut 2 years ago
lol white kid fails at the end
KSIroyal22 2 years ago
great handles. of course it takes a lot of practice in the beginning stages
tdubb099 2 years ago 7
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kobebryant24kb24 2 years ago
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Sabo3113 2 years ago
very good
ravinder2005k 2 years ago 4
Too bad, that there is no more Notic :(.
TyKH 2 years ago
whiteboy can play
myassman456 2 years ago 70
i was just about to say that and hes only like wut 11? kid has decent basketball future ahead of him
789456123064 2 years ago 32
dude thats disaster, he is like 22 years old now. he just looks really young. and hes short compared to the rest.
DawgFL 2 years ago
true true
trevor7960 2 years ago
@789456123064
he can play basketball, but whats up with skool?
itsnotlearning 1 year ago
@itsnotlearning need dem grades to bak u up
shargon1111 1 year ago
@789456123064 He has awsome dirbling skills thats talent but it doesn't mean he has a future in a game everything isn't about the dribling ...
lightsw0rd 1 year ago
@789456123064 what cause he can dribble? wtf that isnt everything
mogliboy93 5 months ago
@myassman456 yeah but he's goin nowhere with 10million other niggas doing 3times better than him! cry blacks a river now!
kay19833 1 year ago
@myassman456 he cant play just because he knows how to dribble cmon..
THEGAMINGNOOBS 1 year ago 8
Hey everybody look at better dribbling go to the video response of this video or just look at my videl
tekknking 2 years ago
ur cool jayhood haha
baseball9r 2 years ago
damn!!!!! hhow do u do tht..........
swiss7800 2 years ago 3
not that hard but they r pretty fast
20musicfreak20 2 years ago
that one bigger guy is getting the spider mad low though
srg10duke 2 years ago
those are handle'z thats basic stuff we do spider dribble relays where we go back and forth full court, pound one ball in right hand and basic dribble in the left/ vice versa, dribble two balls behind the back, thru my legs, swing the purse dribble thru both legs walking with one hand is my new one
JayHood11 2 years ago
what's the name of the song?????
zakatas 2 years ago
whats the song
gotnba 2 years ago
prodigy. keep it thoro
icon1one1 2 years ago
G R E A T
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ghoststreetball 2 years ago
its very true u cant dribble u cant get were u want to go thats means u aint going to be able to shoot because u cant drive to set urself up
ballaholic320 2 years ago 3
this dribbling skills are really helpful..
s0riaga14 2 years ago
you arent suppose to look at the ball
qgwueirbtbyo 2 years ago 3
All the youngsters care about these days is dribbling. Old school used to be about putting the ball in the hole. Greatest of all time? Jordan, who was an average ball handler at best in terms of flash.
gbinct 2 years ago
Jordan was good in anything, and could anything. I would put him as more than an average ball handler.
ThaHole 2 years ago 4
agree
nikos007333 2 years ago
average ball handleR? lol he put it through his legs like 4 or 5 times b4 he drove 2 da net, ball handle and control waz one of his best features including his air ability..
900kingkongs 2 years ago 2
NOPE.
Phil Jackson points out one of his best features was his hands, and their skill with the ball.
SixTwentyFour 2 years ago
and all those dribbles dont mean shit in a game.. lmao. i dont remember ever seeing mj do "the spider" during one of his championship games . people say that it is good for practice.. and it probably is.. but being a good dribbler doesnt make u a great basketball player. is it impressive? sure.. if u plan on joining the circus
utubesucksheha 2 years ago
if you dont have handles you dont got game. thats it, these drills help u become better handler, you can shoot all you want you can dunk all you want you can dribble all you want.but if u aint got handles u aint got game,. obviously u dunt kno anything bout dis game.
900kingkongs 2 years ago 5
and you can dribble as well as you want, but if u cant finish a shot, youre worthless. my point is.. people obsess over dribbling.. theres more to being a great basketball player than dribbling..
utubesucksheha 2 years ago
well handles is the most important part of the game for guards thats why they work hard, plus in college and some highschool teams will make you do handle drills two ball handle drills even, handles is the most important part of devolping your game.
900kingkongs 2 years ago
Sure but if you like dribbling why dont dribble ? You should dribble if you think its cool, dunk if you think its cool and shoot if you think its cool. You sound like a guy who hates dribbling, but dribbling is maybe the biggest part in a basketball game, atleast a streetball game so therefore importent. Also you can allways pass the ball instead of shooting it.
ThaHole 2 years ago
Yea you have to finish your shot and be able to shoot and all, but if you can't dribble you won't be able to get your defender off you and create your own shot, rendering your shooting ability useless in a real game. And how can you finish a layup if you can't get into the lane in the first place?
dgc325 2 years ago
so basically shooting and ball handling work hand in hand?
8youngone8 2 years ago 3
how old is Disaster?
grecoj2 2 years ago
Now or back then ?
ThaHole 2 years ago
now?
uzman1243 2 years ago
21 years
vladthegoo 2 years ago
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condon303 2 years ago
fuck U
supppersteve 2 years ago
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condon303 2 years ago
fuck U
supppersteve 2 years ago
that white kid was pretty good
Tyc00nMan 2 years ago 6
those dudes hands r freakin fast....
man...
tzeyang7 2 years ago 2
what is the name of this song
landy2748 2 years ago
Keep It Thoro by Prodigy Of Mobb Deep
xBboyXLx 2 years ago
how do u do that?
swiss7800 2 years ago
do drills just increase awareness? or get you used to where the ball is?
How does it like help?
I'm not saying that this stuff doesn't help. I just don't know. lol
I suck at basketball.
kellyleowns 3 years ago
Everything helps
AmerigoLT 2 years ago
its helps you gain a relationship with the ball. it helps hand eye coordination and helps you get used to using your hands and the ball together so in a game you don't have to think twice about dribbling and think more on the other parts of the game (court awareness, shooting, passing, etc.)
bringinhomesara 2 years ago
ooh.
thanks guys. (:
kellyleowns 2 years ago
I miss the notic -_-
aymen does the craziest spider.
xen164 3 years ago
look at the white kid go!!!!
fearsomeReaper40 3 years ago 3
very nice gonna work on these ill post updates in a couple months.. maybe ill make a before n after vid..
Jinzoxx 3 years ago
Anything special I can do all the moves like them just better... It's very basic moves and all basketball players can do it...
maleaw 3 years ago
thats y there called drills...
icomethroughinadrop 3 years ago
They're the Notic. If you don't know about them, just ask around. Nuff said.
GoGoGomy 2 years ago
fuken savage!!!
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xEarlX10 3 years ago
That white kid is really good.
richsouce3 3 years ago 2
HAHAHAHAHA!, I am using all these dribbles and and I am already dribbling like JOHNNY BLAZE,OMG!, IT REALLY WORKS!!, IT ONLY TOOK ME 5 MONTHS TO BE A SPEED BALLER!
gwinyai1 3 years ago
wow! really, im gonna try all those drills..
HellFire34 3 years ago
Slap off.
jeglider 3 years ago
was that rory grace?
piemuo88 3 years ago
Whats The Name Of The Drill At 0:58 Seconds And At 0:25
Thanks
krowns21 3 years ago
0:58 = spider dribble
ChrisSelin 3 years ago
The Spider Dribble
However, there are two types.
1. The Single Spider Dribble
2. The Double Spider Dribble
The Double is the same thing. However, it is two dribbles per angle.
thelakerz 3 years ago
trop fort merci pour tout
streetrennes35 3 years ago
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wtf that me shit i did not now it was be recorded
redrocket416 3 years ago
0:28 is a good way to practise dribbling what one is u?
iP1501 3 years ago
that white kid has nice ass handles
threezy350 3 years ago
rory grace = DISASTER
ranaair 3 years ago
yo how old is rory grace
shaq32shaq 3 years ago
honestly, i dont know, because i saw him looking the same in the 2002 and 1 mixtape tour(he was one of the audience)
ranaair 3 years ago
damn they're pros
obeasthead 3 years ago
whats that move at 1:00-1:05 called
3llusi0in808 3 years ago
spider
wmchen 3 years ago
thanx
3llusi0in808 3 years ago
spider or butterfly
tyler0558 3 years ago
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WOW.. dat kid Disaster Fuckin SUCks BAlls get da Nigga outta there!!!!!
503streets 3 years ago
u wack young bucks sick.
900kingkongs 3 years ago
Insane lvl ..!!!
AlvinIsChipmunk 3 years ago
these guys have good ass handles
basketball071 3 years ago 3
that figure 8 that the kid with the fro did is so hard hes god mad good handles
matt21nd 3 years ago
Notic is also known as Johnny Blaze. Search him up on youtube. He's sick.
reversible25 3 years ago
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yall niggas sick just try keepin ya head up more
Siclkey4 3 years ago
if ya wanna be a dribbler hold balll lower than your knees and anything ya do will look like dribling :)
jonasveee 3 years ago