Dr. Eaton's HHO explains why his generators test Over Unity

[TheVapouriser]

The fingernail at 4:00 says it all !

[ney299]

I am Brazilian friend making a hho a prototype, I wonder if I could say a generator better? you know any engine, compressor to compress the gas of hho? appreciate being able to help me.

[aaaflooddrying]

@ney299 Do not do that! Its called a bomb. HHO is safe only to use on demand. Do not store it in a compressed container. You could die. Then you cant play with it any more and mileage does not matter anymore.

[subhankar8925]

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[FlowerVendingMachine]

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[shambles9]

Scam.

[hede88]

Man, this is 15-16 mililiters pr minute pr watt... Thats totally crazy when everyone else is battleing at 5-6.. Are you completely sure of this, then this design really needs to be fully documented and put online ASAP.. What a waist of peoples time otherwise.. We need to share our knowledge, so please.. We need these designs in full detail :)

[terrymorse]

"Gravity is reduced and water is more ready to let go of its molecules".

Astounding. Reduces gravity AND weakens chemical bonds in the same device. Call the Nobel committee!

[RavenPrecept]

@terrymorse Specific Gravity, that's density is reduced due to the gas in the water. Well obviously he is claiming that he gets more out than he puts in. That is the point of all this. I don't think he gives a toss about winning a stupid prize.

[Texmurphy51]

So what your saying is that If I hook a generator to a 5hp engine, use the power from that generator to make Hydrogen/Oxygen from your device. I could run it into the 5hp engine, start it and it would keep running forever while making an excess of gas?

[Javadavida]

@Texmurphy51 Yes. In fact, Dr. Eaton also says he's done exactly that "on the bench" and if he had either a generator set up to burn just HHO it would actually power something besides itself. I'd like to see it run with a very efficient little Honda Generator, maybe the 1000 watt one.

[Texmurphy51]

@Javadavida Ok if this is true he will be richer than Bill Gates. He simply needs to take a small car or motorcycle. Put this device on it feeding the motor with its own power. Start driving back and forth across the USA, not stopping for fuel to PROVE that it works. This would be the solution to ALL energy problems. One of these could be at each home providing Free Power. Investors would KILL each other trying to put money into this project. Now do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that he has done this?

[Abrec66]

@Texmurphy51 Hi! Check looped hho with china gen. ordinal cell, ordinal gen. 40secs of working. Search "Selfrunning free energy system : Anton HHO cell system" here in youtub. Eaton cell seems to be much more effective.

Dear Javadavida, Is this real price for Mr. Eaton's cell? I've find his site but its still under construction. Will detailed plans be exposed? Thank you.

[Abrec66]

Oh I see... TIG welder.. and his book is selling. Thanks!

[Texmurphy51]

@Abrec66 I visit PESWiki where many of these devices are listed & non have ever shown proof other than a video. ALL fail when brought in for examination by a laboratory or they find an excuse to not be tested. The best fake video on youtube is

watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE

See if you can tell why its fake.

Steorn is another fake, been testing for years, brought to the public twice but never let scientists examine it. Like I said, videos are easily faked.

[Abrec66]

@Texmurphy51 PesWiki is a great site though the most inventions are really not proved. though again Stan Mayer's hydro had been tested along years against the energy equation,right?In Russia a couple of years ago a satellite "Jubileynyi" was lunched equipped with non-reactive engine to be oriented to the earth.Russian ScientificAcademy has prohibited to operate it 'cose it's not compliant to impuls conservation low.And Roscosmos officially obeyed.Fun but it's working, satellite.Interesting how?)

[Texmurphy51]

@Abrec66 I can find no information on this Jubileynyi satelite. HHO technology is bogus. These devices simply lean out the motor to get better mileage. They also limit acceleration so drivers get better mileage by conservative driving(keep the foot out of the pedal). You can increase your gas mileage just by adjusting the chip so fuel/air ratio is leaner.

[Abrec66]

Dear @Texmurphy51, try this link "zv DOT innovaterussia DOT ru/project/blog/current/6910" about Jubileynyi, just remove spaces and put "."s instead "DOT"s. Most techs with water or HHO injected into engine are not some news. Water has been ingected into avia piston engines in WOW2 and in auto as well. It can bust drive with lower portion of fuel, so MPG encreases. The cheaper hydrolize the less fuel we need.

[Texmurphy51]

@Abrec66 part 1 Water injection is an old thing. It works great in motors under extreme power cause it stop detonation & cools it down.

Power increase is NOT due to hydrogen but because it essentially operates a a steam engine, increasing efficiency.

Any hydrogen/oxygen split simply recombines. It takes energy to split water, you simply get the same back when it recombines.

So what you mistake as hydrolize is simply running the motor as a partial steam engine.

continued...

[RavenPrecept]

@Texmurphy51 This video is claiming that an engine can make it's own fuel. However the main thrust of HHO injection is that your normal fuel is burnt more efficiently. Yes the energy to create the HHO is a cost but it's more than made up for with the better burn of your main fuel.

[Texmurphy51]

@RavenPrecept The only reason HHO injectors cause an engine to get better MPG is because they lean it out. You could get the same results if you simply change the fuel/air ratio.

H & O are simply a fuel & oxidizer that when burned turns to water. It takes as much,(more) energy to break that water back apart. How could you gain anything?

Its like burning gasoline, collecting the gasses, turning it back into gasoline,(using energy) then saying you have gained something.

[RavenPrecept]

@Texmurphy51 I don't *know* the reason HHO makes a car do more MPG. Perhaps it's leaning the fuel mixture? Perhaps people drive differently when they are testing HHO mileage? No one is claiming that it has to be over unity to help with the MPG except people arguing against it.

You seem to be saying that it's impossible for the addition of HHO fuel mix into the engine to help make the engine run better. However the super fuels sold at the pump for a few pence more do seem to help.

[RavenPrecept]

@Texmurphy51 Are you saying that it's impossible for HHO to help improve engine efficiency or simply that it does not do so? Is it impossible for the super diesel to work better than the regular?

Is it simply the improvement given by HHO is only the energy released when it's burnt which is the energy taken from the engine to produce it? Zero sum at best.

How can you be sure that the HHO added to the fuel air mix drawn into the engine does not act the way the additives in the 'super' fuels do?

[Texmurphy51]

@RavenPrecept The additives in super fuels is External Energy. HHO is produced by the engine drawing power from the fuel.

If you add HHO from an external source then of course you would get more energy.

Diesel has more energy than gasoline which has more than ethanol per gal.

When you change chip settings, (timing, fuel ratio, etc) to run HHO, THAT is where your getting your extra mpg. If you just change the chip settings without HHO you would get similar results.

[RavenPrecept]

@Texmurphy51 I was not aware that they were adding energy to super fuels. As I understood it it was like the old 5 star petrol, additives raising the octane level. Octane is not an energy rating but a measure of how hard you can compress the fuel and how to set the ignition timing. A modern injected engine adjusts itself to avoid pinking, the better the fuel the better the timings can be for performance.

An additive which raises the effective octane of the fuel mix will give performance.

[Texmurphy51]

@RavenPrecept

Octane will not add MPG to a motor unless it REQUIRES that octane to operate. Performance is not MPG, it is horsepower. We are talking about more efficiency here not how much HP the motor creates.

As I said, different fuels have different amounts of energy per gal.

All motors can get more MPG if tuned & leaned out because they are set for polution standards, NOT maximum efficiency. This is the trick HHO tuning uses to get more MPG.

[Texmurphy51]

@Abrec66 Part 2

Think of it this way. Your motor throws away 3/4 of its energy as heat, radiator & block.

If you captured that heat, boiled water, used that to run a steam turbine, you could route that energy back to the motor & increase efficiency. This is what is happening with water injection. Capture energy, boil water, increase piston pressure, more energy. NOT splitting the water to H2

[Abrec66]

@Texmurphy51 I agree this is the most truthful explanation and I appreciate your knowledge and sober approach to that kind of things. Though different sources give very different temperature of water dissociation, probably they have their own reasons for this)). Well, anyway if it's just a steam why not to use it, I mean water injection. As to HHO all is not so clear. Electric dissociation shows potential for future. And processes like in GEET are really complex as cold nuclear reaction.

[Texmurphy51]

@Abrec66 Its not just the temp of water but pressure as well when it splits. Even if it did crack to H2 & O in the cylinder, it would gain no energy but simply recombine.

You CAN use water injecting all the time. I have done it in an experimental car I worked on back in the 70s. We vaporized gasoline & did a small amount of water injection. Problem is the water gets down in the oil & if you drive short distances it wears out the engine & creates acid. If you drive long distance you can do it.

[aaaflooddrying]

@Texmurphy51 That's what I would like to try. And with the excess gas you could heat the house. Could get really interesting

[Texmurphy51]

@aaaflooddrying Your not going to get any excess gas, This is all BS, it does not work.

You can try it yourself but you will be wasting your time.

If it was as easy to create as these people claim then they would be selling these units hand over fist.

Engines would require no fuel to run, they could create their own.

Every one of these are a scam trying to get you to send money for development or sell you a kit that does not work.

[aaaflooddrying]

@Texmurphy51 No it does have a benefit. 2/3 of all fuel is wasted. Even a minor change would stretch our current fuel supplies. I tried Pulstar plugs and they had a definite affect. HHO will do the same using a different method. You are right I do not think it will be easy. But if you could imagine being involved in computers or cell phones early on, what a ride you could be in for. All the possible benefits also make it a worthwhile hobby/ interest.

[Texmurphy51]

@aaaflooddrying sez"No it does have a benefit. 2/3 of all fuel is wasted"

YES, but this is the thermodynamic nature of the IC engine. You cannot change efficiency by burning different fuels, just get slightly closer to the theoretical maximum.

You can get the same effect of HHO by leaning the fuel mix & changing the timing.

HHO is not even real, your simply making Hydrogen & Oxygen gas in a mix.

Very explosive by the way

[aaaflooddrying]

@Texmurphy51 Also Stan Meyer said that a 4 Tube array was even more efficient than a two tube array. One key is the very tight gap that is being used. We should also be checking into neucleated stainless steel that could work way better than scratched stainless steel.

[DonatoThomas]

That is a nice generator. How are you measuring the power input? Where are you measuring the power input?

Just buy a Dywer flow meter to measure the gas output. Then you can even tweak things and watch if the output goes up or down as the adjustments are made. It will be a big time saver for you.

We all want this to work, but I seriously doubt you are over unity, yet.

[scum525]

yo thanx soo much to you and dr eaton, the 16 in tubes work real great the specific gravity is an important factor that i could not take advantage of with my flat plate wet cell attempts. thannks for all your hard work and generousity with your discoveries

[MichaelCouch]

How about a new video showing full output of the cell in bubbles , 1 liter or 2 liter bottle test without hand assist so there's no debate. Then a test of that bottle's potency. I can see that the design is good, just need a little verification of the output.

[Javadavida]

You can buy this cell from me for $2k, test it yourself and get your money back if you don't come to the same conclusions.

[MediaMisDirected]

@Javadavida i have some snake oil for sale

[RobCardIV]

@Javadavida lmfao.

[DISKLOSURE]

hey java.., can you share with us the gain he had on his pickup with this 41 plates system please.

[Javadavida]

Jeff didn't report any improvement in mileage, although he said at 2200 rpm, the cell produced 15 liters/minute of HHO. Also he reported a more power.

He didn't have an EFIE (Electronic Fuel Ignition Enhancement) going.

[altern8energy]

perhaps it's just me, but that bottle doesn't look like a 1 liter bottle. It looks more like a 500ml bottle perhaps a bit more. I can produce 1L of HHO in approx. 7 seconds with my 60 plate cell, which is a Molybdenum-Nickel alloy plate with 130VDC at 15A. I know what 1L of HHO gas looks like coming out of a hose that size and it's NOT like what's in this video.. It's far more intense than that... watch my videos to see the difference.

[Javadavida]

Maybe you used a smaller hose? We didn't want to change atmospheric pressure by creating resistance in the output line...even though the dramatic effect would LOOK like more.

congrats on your cell. I've seen plate cells really produce, but not over unity.

[altern8energy]

hoses on my cell are 3/8th ID. Somehow I think 12V systems are just not going to produce the amount of gas to be useful for using HHO to replace a fuel like Propane to power a 12-22KW generator, that's my current goal. Scaling up my cell to produce 100+ LPM on 130VDC to power a big enough generator to power a common sized house, both 220 and 120 loads.

[Javadavida]

WOW!

[jdcmusicman]

Hmmm a mmw of 17 I find that hard to believe ...

Not knocking ya , just skeptical because I have made tube cells similar to yours in the past and never got over 5 mmw ....And from the looks of the bubbles coming out the hose I would say its about 1 lpm ...

[Javadavida]

True, if you're talking about the bubbles at 5:15 in the video. That was for illustration, not test purposes. The power supply, battery charger, was on slow charge, (2amps).

[AEVector]

The bubbling at 5:54 seems to indicate about 1 LPM or less, not 5 LPM. It is hard to believe.

[honda4004]

may be vapour water super heated steam..got to make sense as all other fuel sources seem to perform better in a vapour state .and vacuum it will give further efficency.water boils in vacuum.just trying to tweak your project .i am no expert !

[Javadavida]

Thanks, honda! We appreciate the discussion. And we also recognize the loose protocol in the tests we did. Be assured that we'll keep testing and trying new things. We sent the cell you see in this video to a university lab for testing while we make a couple of others for running our 3555w generator.

[Cloxxki]

Very nice design, it does make lots of sense!

I wonder, how would you expect nickel tubes to perform? With plates, it seems to work well for one Youtube user.

Alos, how much does the electrolyte affect performance? Similar performance without electrolyte would be extra amazing. I do agree on the measuring technique, it could be done much nicer.

Keep posting please, and keep safe!

[insAneTunA]

If I show people this video they tell me that this setup is a scam and even fraudulent. To me the way you measure the gas is not satisfying, you can trick things by holding the bottle a bit above the water. Also the size and speed from the bubbles do not look like it is 5 LPM. It is just hard to believe, although I sure want this to be true.

I stay tuned for better footage with better performed tests.

Greets, iT

[insAneTunA]

After all it is a big claim so I sure want to see good substantial and solid proof that this works as is claimed. A video with a test like this is not sufficient enough to me. I want to see every hose and connection, and a decent way to measure the gas.

[Javadavida]

No one is trying to skew the test results. There are no tricks here. We are sharing the best data we have to offer at this time. Jeff Sokol has taken the cell to a Colorado University for independent testing.

[insAneTunA]

Ok, I am willing to wait for the results from that test, but I hope that you can understand why I am a little bit skeptic. I also hope that more people will built the same design and get the same results.

When do you expect to hear the results from the test by the University?

Greets, iT

[uawwildbob]

ineresting cell dude . I know from my own experiments that you want to keep it below 4 volts per cell . that will inshure ya have no temp. problems or Hex chromium contamination

[Javadavida]

I'm from that school of thought, too. Volts create heat. Current makes HHO. We'll see.

[gatekeeper1006]

Thats very impressive !!!!

What is the water/cell temperature after it has run for several hours.

Thanks for sharing

[Javadavida]

Doc had been running the cell for an hour before the test. It levels off around 90. The 16" ss tube cell is still going through bench testing at Jeff Sokol's lab. It will be interesting to see how it performs powered by an alternator, 13.2 v or so.