The British DON'T hate Jews. The British DON'T hate anyone. We are a very liberal nation. Yeah we've got a few historical skeletons in our closet, but hasn't everyone? "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
@1965Richie British history is full of examples of hatred for Jews. British actions during the Mandate era show a maliciousness that can't be dismissed by over-generalizations such as you've made.
Tu quoque arguments are lame. Every human being is susceptible to the same things (good and bad). That's not the issue here. The issue is POLICY.
British policies reveal a remarkable hatred for the Jewish State. Even to this day GB gives more aid to our enemies than to us.
there is plenty of land around the world that is unused and would make a great state for the Jews. Give back to the Arabs what is their land and stop making lame excuses to justify ur steal and killing of arab people
@RichardMannXXX A simpler, more humane resolution would be sending the invading Muslim occupiers back to the countries that most of them came from. Most are recent arrivals - Muslims who came here to enjoy a better life.
There are 22 Arab states. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan have plenty of land and the infrastructure to absorb the Arabs who don't want to live in peace with us here.
You use concepts of "rights" to mask your real intent - finishing the Shoah. This is your & the Arabs' goal.
@RichardMannXXX This has been tried, and it doesn't work. There's always somebody like you who comes along, full of jealousy and envy, raging against Jews.
This is our historical homeland. And in 1922, the ownership of all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea was given - by International Law. Same International Law that created all the existing Nation-States and even the basis for your property rights.
historical homeland? WOW trying to claim lands from 2000 years ago? thats reaching to say the least. if thats the case the Moors can claim Spain as their own. talk as if a mandate gives one the right steal a land. it does not ppl
@RichardMannXXX You'll dispute any fact about Israel and Jews, even the most obvious and well-documented.
Your analogy is flawed, tripped up by your own sloppy reasoning. Moors invaded and colonized Spain. So the Spanish have a right to take back their property by any means necessary.
Muslims invaded and colonized Jewish towns and villages. They brag about it in their Hadith and Sharia. Jews have a right to take it back by any means necessary. And we will.
Jews are killing off Arabs like the Nazis killed off Jews. U'd think the Jewish state would remember what was done to them and not do it to others. These fools drop bombs on women and children to. now i guess ppl gonna say that anti Jew right? funy how ppl try to justify the devil in them
@RichardMannXXX At first it seemed that you might be saying something intelligent. But this post says everything we need to know about you and your views.
@RichardMannXXX right. Jews needed the holocaust to get their new state of Israel established in 1947 when the UN all said "do it". About like letting all the full blood indians come into our homes and run us out of all the best farm lands and running us out into the mountains and struggle to survive. They sure as hell don't teach this part of history in school...they should explain to kids why British troops escorted all the Jews on their way to their new land in Palestine
@RichardMannXXX Been in Israel for many years, in some very intense situations. If what you're saying were true, I'd have seen it or heard about it.
Your often-repeated accusation is a lie. If you reverse the terms (Arabs killing off Jews like Nazis did) you've got the truth.
"The devil" is seen by going to the nearest mirror, or making menacing hand shadows. If you enjoy being frightened by your fantasies, nobody can stop you. But we can, and should, stop you spreading it to others.
@RichardMannXXX Extend your "analysis" back a bit further in time. Apply your criteria to Muslim theft of Jewish property by murder and terror. Go even further back and include the Roman invasion, slaughter, and occupation of Judaea.
If there is no law about who owns what, then everything is up for grabs by whoever is the most brutal and vicious. This is the pre-human world that you and others like you are bringing into being. Have a good time trying to survive in the 7th Century C.E.
Well if we are going to go down this line how about a Celtic homeland in England or an aboriginal homeland in Tasmania. If there is one thing that history teaches us about history its "get over it". People who cling on to a delusion of ancient history rather than being real about the world as it is are dangerous.
@DocFranklin Peddle your "get over it" line to the Jihadis and Christian Identity idiots. Tell them how delusional are their views of history.
Humanity is one spirit, one family. There's so much wealth in the world that 20 billion people could all live like multi-millionaires. Some day this will be acknowledged. Some day a truly Human civilization will dominate. But this will never be realized by Islam, Communism, or Fascism. They want to enslave, not liberate.
This also known as the Jewish Mandate. What they don't want people to know Is: Great Britain, America, Canada, and Arabia scattered Judah all over the world.
Jordan is Palestine - the British have to come clean on that one. That was the original deal. This is backed up obviously by the Balfour Declaration 1912, and the San Remo Agreement 1920, section 6 that states that the Jewish people can settle anywhere in the present borders, and that includes Judaia and Sumaria AND the rest of the world is supposed to assist them in doing just that.
6. The settlements are illegal under the world court, condemned by the UN, and the 4th Geneva convention has ruled that the Israeli settlements and occupation is illegal.
7. You forgot to mention that Israel concord more territory by 1949 and basically controls the land between Jordan and the sea as a result of the occupation.
@SlashySlash17 I used to think the westbank settlements were illegal. But since the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement did give all land west of the river Jordan to Israel...they really are not illegal.
Jordan is supposed to be the Palestinian state...and 83% of the people in Jordan are Palestinians..so the Palestinians in the westbank should just sell their houses to Jews...and move to Jordan...or to Iraq..or to Syria
@EdwardRommel Like you, I once thought the same thing. Then, in college and grad school, I studied International Law, read the foundational documents, and more carefully examined Jewish and Middle East history. Law and facts are clearly, overwhelmingly, on Israel's side.
This land is not holly to Arabs,the holly land of Islam is Saudi Arabia,yet even New York can be holly to Muslims as we saw in 9/11
Acording the international law there is no such thing as Israeli ocupation.Occupied from whom? From the state that newer existed?You can't occupy smth that does not exist
1. British also promised Palestinians an independent state
2. The Mandate in 1920 was completely unfair to the overwhelming majority of Palestinian Arabs in the area who would be driven out
3. The UN resolution was an attempt to compromise. The Arabs still made up the overwhelming majority of the population. its no surprise they were angry at the idea that they would be driven off their land.
4. Why should a state that only represents a particular sector of the population even exist?
@SlashySlash17 you also should investigate the land ownership system under the Ottoman empire. Most of the arabs were tenant farmers...meaning that they did not actually own the land they just rented the land from the Ottoman Govt.
Some say as much as 70% of the land in Palestine was Ottoman Crown Lands....
@EdwardRommel Excellent point! Attorneys Howard Grief, David Naggar, and Ted Belman and Political Scientist Paul Eidelberg have, for many years, mentioned this in their commentaries and analysis.
Some have suggested that Turkey is moving to restore its Ottoman Empire reach. The turn away from secular quasi-democratic government and towards Islamic Sharia autocracy, the escalation of hostilities with Israel, and the open embrace of other Sharia Islamic states does seem to support this notion.
@SlashySlash17 NO Arabs were "driven out". IN 47' the Arab states that attacked Israel TOLD the arabs living in Israel to flee so that they couldd bonb Israel indescriminately wihtout fear of killing their own people. THey made up bullshit propaganda like that Jews were raping and murdering women to scare Arabs away even though none of this occured. There is a "palestinian" islamic state, it is called Jordan, Syria, Lebannon, and the west bank and Gaza (if they would stop attacking Israel)
1. Brits did give them a state. It's called Jordan.
2. And Jews as dhimmis was/is fair? Overwhelming majority of Arabs in 1920 had come here to improve their lives working for Jewish & Christian groups establishing agricultural enterprises. Arabs weren't driven out.
3. The 1922 Partition was supposed to be the compromise. Do some fact-checking.
4. Good question, but ask it of the Muslim countries who don't grant Jews equal rights & execute those who convert to Judaism.
The purpose of a Mandate is to help the native inhabitants to develop a government that is stable and viable. The Palestine mandate had nothing what-so-ever to do with Jews until some Zionist Jews prevailed upon England to give them a ‘homeland’ within Palestine. The Brits agreed, but, they said ‘HOMELAND’ which means exactly what it says – homeland – NOT nation, which is what the Zionists decided ‘homeland’ meant.
@Prometheo1 To say the British were "islamophiles" is really not fair to the British because anti-semitism has always been very low in Britain as compared to France, Germany, Russia, etc.
The British were trying play peacemaker or "honest broker"...of course that made them popular with neither the Arabs or the Jews just like is the case today with the Americans
There is some debate about what the Faisal agreement entailed as far as borders for Israel. Was Israel to get the westbank or not?
@TheChutzpahGirl I see you can't be bothered with things like facts. Those who want the facts can Google "Eli Hertz Myths and Facts" and read the original Mandate, plus the many legally binding agreements establishing total Jewish sovereignty over all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean.
@TheChutzpahGirl except Jews made up 80% of the city of Jerusalem in 1890 and 12% of the entire mandate in this same period under ottoman rule. But the division in 47' gave Israel only 10% of the total mandate but this wasn't good enough for the newly created racist Arab states. They didn't want any Jewish state at all! And don't fool yourself little girl, 90% of the so called "Palestinians" immigrated to the region AS WELL in the last 100 years, just look at the most common palestinian names...
According to Orthodox Jews, they DO NOT HAVE a 'land' so until their 'god' creates a state for them, they will be a dispersed people. So when you say 'traditional Jewish lands', I suppose that you just pick and choose which Jews?
@StephenWebb1980 You're making reference to the ideas of a very small number of "orthodox" Jews.
Sticking with objective (non-"religious") historical analysis and International law, all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean is Jewish land.
We are prevented from exercising our legal rights only because of the intolerance of the "god" of the Muslims and the anti-"god" of secular political cults.
Google "Eli Hertz myths and facts" for legal documents - if you want facts.
@StephenWebb1980 it's YOU that pick the jews that fit to your views of delegitamation of the jewish state! you choose a very small sector among even the orthodox jews. yes, many religious jews prefer Halakha state, but still want their state of Israel. Anyway: how do you know which is God's way to gather Israel from diaspora? maybe the state of Israel is THE WAY?!
@genYprogressive Using your logic, ALL the modern Islamic states are illegitimate, built on land stolen from others.
If we go by International Law, not Sharia law, Israel owns all the land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.
Get over your antisemitism. We're in the land, we own the land, we're going to remain in the land.
If you don't stop pestering us and waging jihad against us, one day we'll turn Mocka into glass. We really don't want this - but neither do we want to be dhimmis.
@genYprogressive It's only "twisted logic" to those predisposed to hating Israel. By normative law and objective logic, all the land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean belongs to us. Compare this small amount of land to the Muslim states created at the same time, by the same International powers. You simply can't stand the idea of a sovereign Jewish Nation.
The fact is that your "criticism of Israel" is an excuse for antisemitism. Apply your criticism to the Islamic fascists. Or STFU.
If you tried to tell any real historian that all of the land from the Jordan River to the sea is yours based on when they put the Balfore Declaration in with the British Mandate for Palestine you would be laughed out of the room and showed the door.
The World Court ruled that you have no leagal right to one inch of Palestine or East Jerusalem. The debate is over who owns the land is over.
International law means that it is illegal to aquire land by war. Israel started every war except 1973. I dare you to try to refute that.
You are saying that the land is yours based on the 1922 White Paper where they put the Balfore Declaration in with the British Mandate for Palestine, an old document that is not valid.
You cannot make your case that any of Jordan or Palestine is your property or that the settlements are leagal with the finest print.
@genYprogressive Why do persist in this insane hatred? After the borders of Israel were agreed upon, and 78% of our land was stolen and given to those who created the fake "kingdom" of Jordan, that "kingdom" invaded and illegally occupied huge portions of our land until 1967. Where is your rage for this gross violation of the "international law" you claim to respect.
It would be better for you to be consistent, but such is not possible with khara like you.
@genYprogressive Are you intentionally distorting the facts, or simply ignorant of them?
Jordan was built on land stolen from us. We would be happy to forget this were it not for the constant effort to steal the remaining land, which is our historical heartland.
Jordan illegally occupied Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967, yet you never manage to include this atrocity in your complaints about "international law". The fact is you know less than nothing about the subject, only propaganda slogans.
@Prometheo1 If you speak of international laws, you should have an eye on the ONU, each time there is a vote against israel your saved by usa that have an economic interest with israel. If they weren't there to keep your ass safe it would be the international conviction each time. Israel is the last land which does an apartheid, prey for your soul when the time will come to be judge by god himself
@potiron51 Objective International Law is 100% on the side of our rights to all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. The 1922 Partition was a binding legal decision, ratified by the International powers that later became the ONU.
Aparthied in Israel? I've lived here for years and see people from every ethnic group and religion (Muslims, Christians, Buddhists,Scientologists, etc) traveling and living everywhere. How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia? How many synagogues?
@Prometheo1 yes it's on your side because it's an undemocratic system were your big friend USA has the veto right and saves you each time from the international conviction, and yes it's an apartheid in Israel for the moslims, espacialy in the colony your building. also in your secrets prisons and each time you're killing a palestinian for being himself. I think Israelians leaders have a stockholm syndrome with the nazi. You just miss the trains, you've already the camp
@potiron51 I'll start to take what you say seriously on the day that I and my friends can visit a Synagogue in Mecca, travel & live without restriction in any Islamic-dominated country, and perform our ancient rites on Har Habayit.
Until then, almost everything you say is meaningless.
@Prometheo1 Yes but your problem with moslims begon at the moment you invaded palestina. they are seing themself as only one nation, it's normal that if you have problems with one you've problem with all. and by the way even if they are doing bad things with you it doesn't excuse you for doing the same. and it not because you were the victim of the nazi that you may do the same with the palestinians, it's lucky for you the shoahbusiness is very powerful in occident, otherwise you would die quick
@Prometheo1 The 1922 Partition was a binding legal decision, ratified by the International powers? u mean the international power that won WW1 and decided to divide them land for themselves right? u mean the same international powers steal other peoples resources and claim it as their own? there was nothing legal about what was done and is still being done to Arabs there
f***king zionist israel if you could only see the truth u dirty mother f**ker i hope u all die and your status topples when bush stops bumlicking u and giving u money u stinking kykes!!
you still haven't said anything useful and if your noticed Most Palestinians don't want Israel but Israelis Just don't want to get Rokits shot at them. we offer two state solution many times before and Palestinians Just keep Rejecting it. when in actuality Jordan is Palestinian state.
so fight for independence of Jordan. don't try to take our land from us we will help you get your land with the independence of Jordan. lets work together instead of against each other
you land theives all your cities have arabic names except that you changed some letters such as b to v you gays you are all going to hell and i hope theres an oven there
@pheonixmon1 Although seething with hatred, your comment is really funny because Arabic wasn't a written language until late in the 7th century c.e. and every city name you can cite was either a corruption of Hebrew names, or of the Latin names imposed by the Romans when they invaded and dispossessed us of our land.
Objective history and facts don't support your premises; but such things are irrelevant when hatred such as you possess dominates "discussion". GFY
Monday... IM actually moving to Ariel. how far is Shomron. I don't really know what Im goin to do there So I might have to go around the country to see what's up and find my Place
Ariel is a great place to get started. It's just a few kilometers West of Kfar Tapuah and Har Bracha.
There's a big Russian community in Ariel, and they brought a lot of culture with them.
Plus, Ariel doesn't seem to be slated for demolition anytime soon. Not the case for Tapuah and other Jewish communities, which will be the first places to be made Judenrein.
Don't be gullible when you get here. Be skeptical and alert. Take advantage of all the benefits for Olim. Especially ulpan.
The British DON'T hate Jews. The British DON'T hate anyone. We are a very liberal nation. Yeah we've got a few historical skeletons in our closet, but hasn't everyone? "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
1965Richie 6 days ago
@1965Richie British history is full of examples of hatred for Jews. British actions during the Mandate era show a maliciousness that can't be dismissed by over-generalizations such as you've made.
Tu quoque arguments are lame. Every human being is susceptible to the same things (good and bad). That's not the issue here. The issue is POLICY.
British policies reveal a remarkable hatred for the Jewish State. Even to this day GB gives more aid to our enemies than to us.
Quoting Yeshu is silly.
Prometheo1 6 days ago
@Prometheo1 It'd be better if the UK kept out of this shit all together.
davethemouse1 2 days ago
there is plenty of land around the world that is unused and would make a great state for the Jews. Give back to the Arabs what is their land and stop making lame excuses to justify ur steal and killing of arab people
RichardMannXXX 2 months ago
@RichardMannXXX A simpler, more humane resolution would be sending the invading Muslim occupiers back to the countries that most of them came from. Most are recent arrivals - Muslims who came here to enjoy a better life.
There are 22 Arab states. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan have plenty of land and the infrastructure to absorb the Arabs who don't want to live in peace with us here.
You use concepts of "rights" to mask your real intent - finishing the Shoah. This is your & the Arabs' goal.
Prometheo1 4 weeks ago
@RichardMannXXX This has been tried, and it doesn't work. There's always somebody like you who comes along, full of jealousy and envy, raging against Jews.
This is our historical homeland. And in 1922, the ownership of all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea was given - by International Law. Same International Law that created all the existing Nation-States and even the basis for your property rights.
Prometheo1 4 weeks ago
historical homeland? WOW trying to claim lands from 2000 years ago? thats reaching to say the least. if thats the case the Moors can claim Spain as their own. talk as if a mandate gives one the right steal a land. it does not ppl
RichardMannXXX 2 months ago
@RichardMannXXX You'll dispute any fact about Israel and Jews, even the most obvious and well-documented.
Your analogy is flawed, tripped up by your own sloppy reasoning. Moors invaded and colonized Spain. So the Spanish have a right to take back their property by any means necessary.
Muslims invaded and colonized Jewish towns and villages. They brag about it in their Hadith and Sharia. Jews have a right to take it back by any means necessary. And we will.
Prometheo1 4 weeks ago
Jews are killing off Arabs like the Nazis killed off Jews. U'd think the Jewish state would remember what was done to them and not do it to others. These fools drop bombs on women and children to. now i guess ppl gonna say that anti Jew right? funy how ppl try to justify the devil in them
RichardMannXXX 2 months ago
@RichardMannXXX At first it seemed that you might be saying something intelligent. But this post says everything we need to know about you and your views.
Prometheo1 2 months ago
@RichardMannXXX right. Jews needed the holocaust to get their new state of Israel established in 1947 when the UN all said "do it". About like letting all the full blood indians come into our homes and run us out of all the best farm lands and running us out into the mountains and struggle to survive. They sure as hell don't teach this part of history in school...they should explain to kids why British troops escorted all the Jews on their way to their new land in Palestine
DiceCarlinKinison 1 month ago
@RichardMannXXX Been in Israel for many years, in some very intense situations. If what you're saying were true, I'd have seen it or heard about it.
Your often-repeated accusation is a lie. If you reverse the terms (Arabs killing off Jews like Nazis did) you've got the truth.
"The devil" is seen by going to the nearest mirror, or making menacing hand shadows. If you enjoy being frightened by your fantasies, nobody can stop you. But we can, and should, stop you spreading it to others.
Prometheo1 4 weeks ago
western powers steal a land and somehow its right? really? get a clue
RichardMannXXX 2 months ago
@RichardMannXXX Extend your "analysis" back a bit further in time. Apply your criteria to Muslim theft of Jewish property by murder and terror. Go even further back and include the Roman invasion, slaughter, and occupation of Judaea.
If there is no law about who owns what, then everything is up for grabs by whoever is the most brutal and vicious. This is the pre-human world that you and others like you are bringing into being. Have a good time trying to survive in the 7th Century C.E.
Prometheo1 2 months ago
@RichardMannXXX Turks also stole the land by invasion and conquest.
Things would be very different in the world today if the Turks had been on the side of the Brits instead of the Germans.
Prometheo1 4 weeks ago
Well if we are going to go down this line how about a Celtic homeland in England or an aboriginal homeland in Tasmania. If there is one thing that history teaches us about history its "get over it". People who cling on to a delusion of ancient history rather than being real about the world as it is are dangerous.
DocFranklin 9 months ago
@DocFranklin Peddle your "get over it" line to the Jihadis and Christian Identity idiots. Tell them how delusional are their views of history.
Humanity is one spirit, one family. There's so much wealth in the world that 20 billion people could all live like multi-millionaires. Some day this will be acknowledged. Some day a truly Human civilization will dominate. But this will never be realized by Islam, Communism, or Fascism. They want to enslave, not liberate.
1776!
Prometheo1 6 days ago
This also known as the Jewish Mandate. What they don't want people to know Is: Great Britain, America, Canada, and Arabia scattered Judah all over the world.
jamjr1972 11 months ago
Jordan is Palestine - the British have to come clean on that one. That was the original deal. This is backed up obviously by the Balfour Declaration 1912, and the San Remo Agreement 1920, section 6 that states that the Jewish people can settle anywhere in the present borders, and that includes Judaia and Sumaria AND the rest of the world is supposed to assist them in doing just that.
N9BJJ 1 year ago
5. The land is holy to Arabs too
6. The settlements are illegal under the world court, condemned by the UN, and the 4th Geneva convention has ruled that the Israeli settlements and occupation is illegal.
7. You forgot to mention that Israel concord more territory by 1949 and basically controls the land between Jordan and the sea as a result of the occupation.
SlashySlash17 1 year ago
@SlashySlash17 Everything you say is a lie.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@SlashySlash17 I used to think the westbank settlements were illegal. But since the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement did give all land west of the river Jordan to Israel...they really are not illegal.
Jordan is supposed to be the Palestinian state...and 83% of the people in Jordan are Palestinians..so the Palestinians in the westbank should just sell their houses to Jews...and move to Jordan...or to Iraq..or to Syria
EdwardRommel 1 year ago
@EdwardRommel Like you, I once thought the same thing. Then, in college and grad school, I studied International Law, read the foundational documents, and more carefully examined Jewish and Middle East history. Law and facts are clearly, overwhelmingly, on Israel's side.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@SlashySlash17 Everything you say is a lie.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@SlashySlash17
This land is not holly to Arabs,the holly land of Islam is Saudi Arabia,yet even New York can be holly to Muslims as we saw in 9/11
Acording the international law there is no such thing as Israeli ocupation.Occupied from whom? From the state that newer existed?You can't occupy smth that does not exist
Tomislavv2 10 months ago
1. British also promised Palestinians an independent state
2. The Mandate in 1920 was completely unfair to the overwhelming majority of Palestinian Arabs in the area who would be driven out
3. The UN resolution was an attempt to compromise. The Arabs still made up the overwhelming majority of the population. its no surprise they were angry at the idea that they would be driven off their land.
4. Why should a state that only represents a particular sector of the population even exist?
SlashySlash17 1 year ago
@SlashySlash17 Everything you say is a lie.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@SlashySlash17 you also should investigate the land ownership system under the Ottoman empire. Most of the arabs were tenant farmers...meaning that they did not actually own the land they just rented the land from the Ottoman Govt.
Some say as much as 70% of the land in Palestine was Ottoman Crown Lands....
EdwardRommel 1 year ago
@EdwardRommel Excellent point! Attorneys Howard Grief, David Naggar, and Ted Belman and Political Scientist Paul Eidelberg have, for many years, mentioned this in their commentaries and analysis.
Some have suggested that Turkey is moving to restore its Ottoman Empire reach. The turn away from secular quasi-democratic government and towards Islamic Sharia autocracy, the escalation of hostilities with Israel, and the open embrace of other Sharia Islamic states does seem to support this notion.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@SlashySlash17 NO Arabs were "driven out". IN 47' the Arab states that attacked Israel TOLD the arabs living in Israel to flee so that they couldd bonb Israel indescriminately wihtout fear of killing their own people. THey made up bullshit propaganda like that Jews were raping and murdering women to scare Arabs away even though none of this occured. There is a "palestinian" islamic state, it is called Jordan, Syria, Lebannon, and the west bank and Gaza (if they would stop attacking Israel)
durhamdf 9 months ago
@SlashySlash17
1. Brits did give them a state. It's called Jordan.
2. And Jews as dhimmis was/is fair? Overwhelming majority of Arabs in 1920 had come here to improve their lives working for Jewish & Christian groups establishing agricultural enterprises. Arabs weren't driven out.
3. The 1922 Partition was supposed to be the compromise. Do some fact-checking.
4. Good question, but ask it of the Muslim countries who don't grant Jews equal rights & execute those who convert to Judaism.
Prometheo1 4 weeks ago
The purpose of a Mandate is to help the native inhabitants to develop a government that is stable and viable. The Palestine mandate had nothing what-so-ever to do with Jews until some Zionist Jews prevailed upon England to give them a ‘homeland’ within Palestine. The Brits agreed, but, they said ‘HOMELAND’ which means exactly what it says – homeland – NOT nation, which is what the Zionists decided ‘homeland’ meant.
TheChutzpahGirl 1 year ago
@TheChutzpahGirl Your ignorance could fill all the world's libraries.
Your arrogance suits the name you've chosen, describing a girl who does what she knows is despicable but pretends that she doesn't care.
Sick puppy.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@Prometheo1 To say the British were "islamophiles" is really not fair to the British because anti-semitism has always been very low in Britain as compared to France, Germany, Russia, etc.
The British were trying play peacemaker or "honest broker"...of course that made them popular with neither the Arabs or the Jews just like is the case today with the Americans
There is some debate about what the Faisal agreement entailed as far as borders for Israel. Was Israel to get the westbank or not?
EdwardRommel 1 year ago
@EdwardRommel Read the historical documents. Google "Eli Hertz Myths and Facts" for a free pdf.
I don't find any evidence in the historical record to support your claims about the Brits.
There's no debate about Faisal. He was a duplicitous & murderous thief, as are his descendants to this day.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@TheChutzpahGirl I see you can't be bothered with things like facts. Those who want the facts can Google "Eli Hertz Myths and Facts" and read the original Mandate, plus the many legally binding agreements establishing total Jewish sovereignty over all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@TheChutzpahGirl except Jews made up 80% of the city of Jerusalem in 1890 and 12% of the entire mandate in this same period under ottoman rule. But the division in 47' gave Israel only 10% of the total mandate but this wasn't good enough for the newly created racist Arab states. They didn't want any Jewish state at all! And don't fool yourself little girl, 90% of the so called "Palestinians" immigrated to the region AS WELL in the last 100 years, just look at the most common palestinian names...
durhamdf 9 months ago
very good and important vid
ChrisWilsonTopTopics 1 year ago
thanks for uploading
please visit my channel too to see more on related issues
regards from Israel :)
JusticeVSpropaganda 1 year ago
ONLY IGNORANTS SAY ISRAEL. IT IS NOT ISRAEL. IT IS PALESTINE, YOU IDIOTS.
SHAME ON ANYONE SUPPORTING CRIMINAL TERRORIST ISRAEL.
LONG LIVE PALESTINE!
mrawerness 1 year ago
@mrawerness
i hope you realise you come across as a hot headed radical who lives in denial.
yoeldg 1 year ago
According to Orthodox Jews, they DO NOT HAVE a 'land' so until their 'god' creates a state for them, they will be a dispersed people. So when you say 'traditional Jewish lands', I suppose that you just pick and choose which Jews?
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
@StephenWebb1980 You're making reference to the ideas of a very small number of "orthodox" Jews.
Sticking with objective (non-"religious") historical analysis and International law, all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean is Jewish land.
We are prevented from exercising our legal rights only because of the intolerance of the "god" of the Muslims and the anti-"god" of secular political cults.
Google "Eli Hertz myths and facts" for legal documents - if you want facts.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@StephenWebb1980 it's YOU that pick the jews that fit to your views of delegitamation of the jewish state! you choose a very small sector among even the orthodox jews. yes, many religious jews prefer Halakha state, but still want their state of Israel. Anyway: how do you know which is God's way to gather Israel from diaspora? maybe the state of Israel is THE WAY?!
ChrisWilsonTopTopics 1 year ago
So the Churchill White Paper of 1922 is an excuse for Israel to steal all of Palestine and break international law.
REVISIONIST HISTORY SNAKE OIL
genYprogressive 2 years ago
@genYprogressive Using your logic, ALL the modern Islamic states are illegitimate, built on land stolen from others.
If we go by International Law, not Sharia law, Israel owns all the land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.
Get over your antisemitism. We're in the land, we own the land, we're going to remain in the land.
If you don't stop pestering us and waging jihad against us, one day we'll turn Mocka into glass. We really don't want this - but neither do we want to be dhimmis.
Prometheo1 2 years ago
So by your twisted logic there should be no Palestine because they alredy have Jordan.
That is like saying the Zionists don't need a state because they alredy have New York.
BTW: Criticism of Israel IS NOT Anti-Semitism, so don't even try playing that game with me.
genYprogressive 2 years ago
@genYprogressive It's only "twisted logic" to those predisposed to hating Israel. By normative law and objective logic, all the land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean belongs to us. Compare this small amount of land to the Muslim states created at the same time, by the same International powers. You simply can't stand the idea of a sovereign Jewish Nation.
The fact is that your "criticism of Israel" is an excuse for antisemitism. Apply your criticism to the Islamic fascists. Or STFU.
BobMartin5613 2 years ago
@genYprogressive Your comment reveals an ignorance of the basic issues and facts.
Hatred of Jews blinds you, and the hordes of people who share your views, to such trivial matters as truth, facts, and history.
Prometheo1 2 years ago
If you tried to tell any real historian that all of the land from the Jordan River to the sea is yours based on when they put the Balfore Declaration in with the British Mandate for Palestine you would be laughed out of the room and showed the door.
The World Court ruled that you have no leagal right to one inch of Palestine or East Jerusalem. The debate is over who owns the land is over.
YOU FAIL
genYprogressive 2 years ago
Suggest you educate yourself about International Law and Israel's legal rights.
A great deal of objective information can be found by Googling Eli Hertz Myths and Facts.
Just because you're ignorant of the facts doesn't mean they don't exist.
The land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean is Jewish property. Apply the law and end your thinly disguised hatred of the Jewish people.
BobMartin5613 2 years ago
International law means that it is illegal to aquire land by war. Israel started every war except 1973. I dare you to try to refute that.
You are saying that the land is yours based on the 1922 White Paper where they put the Balfore Declaration in with the British Mandate for Palestine, an old document that is not valid.
You cannot make your case that any of Jordan or Palestine is your property or that the settlements are leagal with the finest print.
YOU FAIL, KEEP LYING
genYprogressive 2 years ago
@genYprogressive Why do persist in this insane hatred? After the borders of Israel were agreed upon, and 78% of our land was stolen and given to those who created the fake "kingdom" of Jordan, that "kingdom" invaded and illegally occupied huge portions of our land until 1967. Where is your rage for this gross violation of the "international law" you claim to respect.
It would be better for you to be consistent, but such is not possible with khara like you.
BobMartin5613 2 years ago
@genYprogressive Are you intentionally distorting the facts, or simply ignorant of them?
Jordan was built on land stolen from us. We would be happy to forget this were it not for the constant effort to steal the remaining land, which is our historical heartland.
Jordan illegally occupied Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967, yet you never manage to include this atrocity in your complaints about "international law". The fact is you know less than nothing about the subject, only propaganda slogans.
BobMartin5613 2 years ago
@Prometheo1 If you speak of international laws, you should have an eye on the ONU, each time there is a vote against israel your saved by usa that have an economic interest with israel. If they weren't there to keep your ass safe it would be the international conviction each time. Israel is the last land which does an apartheid, prey for your soul when the time will come to be judge by god himself
potiron51 1 year ago
@potiron51 Objective International Law is 100% on the side of our rights to all the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. The 1922 Partition was a binding legal decision, ratified by the International powers that later became the ONU.
Aparthied in Israel? I've lived here for years and see people from every ethnic group and religion (Muslims, Christians, Buddhists,Scientologists, etc) traveling and living everywhere. How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia? How many synagogues?
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@Prometheo1 yes it's on your side because it's an undemocratic system were your big friend USA has the veto right and saves you each time from the international conviction, and yes it's an apartheid in Israel for the moslims, espacialy in the colony your building. also in your secrets prisons and each time you're killing a palestinian for being himself. I think Israelians leaders have a stockholm syndrome with the nazi. You just miss the trains, you've already the camp
potiron51 1 year ago
@potiron51 I'll start to take what you say seriously on the day that I and my friends can visit a Synagogue in Mecca, travel & live without restriction in any Islamic-dominated country, and perform our ancient rites on Har Habayit.
Until then, almost everything you say is meaningless.
Prometheo1 1 year ago
@Prometheo1 Yes but your problem with moslims begon at the moment you invaded palestina. they are seing themself as only one nation, it's normal that if you have problems with one you've problem with all. and by the way even if they are doing bad things with you it doesn't excuse you for doing the same. and it not because you were the victim of the nazi that you may do the same with the palestinians, it's lucky for you the shoahbusiness is very powerful in occident, otherwise you would die quick
potiron51 1 year ago
@Prometheo1 The 1922 Partition was a binding legal decision, ratified by the International powers? u mean the international power that won WW1 and decided to divide them land for themselves right? u mean the same international powers steal other peoples resources and claim it as their own? there was nothing legal about what was done and is still being done to Arabs there
RichardMannXXX 2 months ago
f***king zionist israel if you could only see the truth u dirty mother f**ker i hope u all die and your status topples when bush stops bumlicking u and giving u money u stinking kykes!!
luigi12356 2 years ago
@luigi12356 We do see the truth. Inquisitions, Pograms, Aushwitz, Jihadis - a common thread of bloody hatred and intolerance.
NEVER AGAIN!
Prometheo1 2 years ago
The video proves beyond any doubt:
1) there was never an independent Arab state called 'Palestine'
2) Jordan is the real 'Palestine' state!
3)there's no nation called 'palestinians' but Arabs who came mainly from Jordan and Syria.
2912770 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment. Good to know that intelligent people still exist in the world.
kol tuv from Eretz HaKodesh
Prometheo1 2 years ago
The Jews can burn in an oven. The holocust never really happend
pilotmchammer 2 years ago
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gaveee 2 years ago
FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!
zw246 3 years ago
well said pheonixmon1.
Palestine will NEVER be theres!!!
shb0322 3 years ago
LIES ! this land is not jewish its for palestinians ! you arent even real israelis you are gay russians
pheonixmon1 3 years ago
why don't you do your own Research and don't listen to what you hear on TV. look it up "British Mandate for Palestine"
gaveee 2 years ago
thats doesnt prove anything , israelis are europeans !!! not real semites !!! we arabs are the real semites so this land is ours , go to hell
pheonixmon1 2 years ago
you still haven't said anything useful and if your noticed Most Palestinians don't want Israel but Israelis Just don't want to get Rokits shot at them. we offer two state solution many times before and Palestinians Just keep Rejecting it. when in actuality Jordan is Palestinian state.
gaveee 2 years ago
we dont want 2 fucking states , either palestine either israel we dont want neighbours who invade us for shooting some fireworks
pheonixmon1 2 years ago
So move your ass to Jordan. cause Israel is ours.
I am moving there next month. ERETZ ISRAEL
gaveee 2 years ago
im not palestinian , im speaking for all arabs ! the biggest lie in middle east is jordan beign independent !!!
israel doesnt exist on my map
pheonixmon1 2 years ago
so fight for independence of Jordan. don't try to take our land from us we will help you get your land with the independence of Jordan. lets work together instead of against each other
gaveee 2 years ago
work with each other ? go to hell !!!
why would we "work with each other" , we arent that stupid !!! we wont forget how you treated palestinians when you took gaza strip and west bank
pheonixmon1 2 years ago
in the past couple of comments there was nothing but hate from you
IM not going to waste anymore of my time on ignorance.
I hope you'll learn some day G-d bless and have a happy life.
gaveee 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
go back to europe , please
pheonixmon1 2 years ago
phoenixmon1: And we won't forget that you and your pals are nothing but Nazis in a kafiyah.
NICK L'MUSLIMIM!
Prometheo1 2 years ago
you land theives all your cities have arabic names except that you changed some letters such as b to v you gays you are all going to hell and i hope theres an oven there
pheonixmon1 2 years ago
@pheonixmon1 Although seething with hatred, your comment is really funny because Arabic wasn't a written language until late in the 7th century c.e. and every city name you can cite was either a corruption of Hebrew names, or of the Latin names imposed by the Romans when they invaded and dispossessed us of our land.
Objective history and facts don't support your premises; but such things are irrelevant when hatred such as you possess dominates "discussion". GFY
BobMartin5613 2 years ago
@BobMartin5613
we held that land longer than you did , also so what if it was yours in the past ? why isnt greece taking anatolia back then ?
plus , we took that land from romans not you , what did you expect us to do ? give it back to you eventhough you did nothing to regain it ?
pheonixmon1 2 years ago
gavee: Kol HaKavod! Move to the Shomron when you get here.
kol tuv
Prometheo1 2 years ago
Monday... IM actually moving to Ariel. how far is Shomron. I don't really know what Im goin to do there So I might have to go around the country to see what's up and find my Place
baruh hashem
gaveee 2 years ago
Ariel is a great place to get started. It's just a few kilometers West of Kfar Tapuah and Har Bracha.
There's a big Russian community in Ariel, and they brought a lot of culture with them.
Plus, Ariel doesn't seem to be slated for demolition anytime soon. Not the case for Tapuah and other Jewish communities, which will be the first places to be made Judenrein.
Don't be gullible when you get here. Be skeptical and alert. Take advantage of all the benefits for Olim. Especially ulpan.
Prometheo1 2 years ago
thank you
gaveee 2 years ago