Avicenna - Impostor, Philosopher, Healer

[beauvoir1949]

why impostor? just he was dressing up like a dervish to escape?

[DrGull1888]

@beauvoir1949 His enviers among his contemporaries called him an impostor according to my sources. For example they blamed him for the library fire or called his medical results a fraud. I found that idea exciting and used it, you know like s.b. else would've done it in a documentation for tv. But in the end I didn't diminish his importance for modern medicine in the slightest. I just wanted to make an exciting story more exciting. He was no impostor.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

0:58 thank you and very well said!

if you dont say afghanistan then his father could be from anywhere but not from balkh!

btw the uploader of this video is a german i guess :))

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG And if his father had been from Krypton I would have said so either.

You guessed right.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

i also would!

the fact that avicennas father and avicenna himself were from todays afghanistan is as true as the fact that mercedes-benz cars are german cars/automobiles!

[khaymari]

Medicine is from pesian Madadi Sina, Russians say it a little closer to persian MEDEDTSINA or (Медедцина)

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@khaymari

i didnt know that the word medicine is a cognate of his name meded-sina wow great

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG Wow, I didn't know that either.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

now you know it :)

what did you think to know about his roots before?

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG With all honesty, I thought the term "medicine" had a Latin origin since physicians have to learn a lot of Latin phrases. To err is human, I guess.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

no dear the term medicine comes from his name madad-sina :))

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG Now, I know it.

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG I am wondering, do you as a Persian girl from Afghanistan living in Frankfurt find this video, its title or content insulting. I'm asking because I've been struggling with a troll since Friday who bothers me because of the "impostor" in the title, no matter how positive, negative or neutral my video is.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

why insulting? it is a great video with true informations about him, but i dont know what you mean by "imposter" though :D

on many videos i saw how people showed a pam and they signed the place (balkh) where he comes from and this is what people should know about him :)

aber warum bezeichnen sie ihn als einen betrüger?

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG The point is his enviers among his contemporaries called him an impostor according to my sources. For example they blamed him for the library fire or called his medical results a fraud. I found that idea exciting and used it, you know like s.b. else would've done it in a documentation for tv. But in the end I didn't diminish his importance for modern medicine in the slightest. I just wanted to make an exciting story more exciting. Und nein, er ist kein Betrüger, war er nie.

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG Kurz und gut, er war ein Genie!

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

also mir gefällt dieses video und ich denke auch dass sie recht haben mit der sache um das ganze etwas aufregender und interessater zu präsentieren und zu gestalten.

die person dem dieses video nicht gefällt kann sich doch selber mal die mühe machen und ein video über avicenna hochladen, aber nein meistens die die ne große klappe haben haben auch nichts dahinter :))

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG Schönen Dank. Der Troll ist nicht der erste nur der hartnäckigste bisher. Da er seine Hasskommentare auch bei anderen Videos hinterlassen hat sah ich mich gezwungen, sämtliche Kommentare genehmigungspflichtig zu machen, was mir persönlich wenig behagt. Jetzt verfolgt er mich zu fremden Videos wo ich Kommentare hinterlassen habe. Aber ich muss nur Geduld zeigen und er wird sicher irgendwann müde. Ich denke auch, dass das ein Aufschneider ist mit Komplexen.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

also sie können diesen troll bei der youtube community anzeigen was dazu führet, dass sein konto gesperrt wrid und als ersted werden die ihn nicht erlauben weiterhin kommentare an youtube videos zu posten :))

wenn sie wollen kann ich ihnen zeigen wie das gemacht wird :)

ja und ihnen auch einen guten rutsch ins neue jahr und alles gute!

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG Das habe ich bereits, schönen Dank, aber die Mühlen youtubes mahlen langsam. Danke auch für die Neujahreswünsche.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

sehr gut ;))

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

ach ja und nichts zu danken, aber gerne doch :))

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG Da wir ja jetzt Freunde sind können wir uns ja uch dutzen. Ist glaube ich sowieso üblich im Internet.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@DrGull1888

aber klar doch :)

[DrGull1888]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG Also, schönen Dank für das Lob und die prompte Beantwortung meiner Fragen.

Alles Gute für 2012,

DrGull

[Prettyfamdancy]

Wow, does any body know what that blue building is at 0:10 ?

[DrGull1888]

@Prettyfamdancy That's the Registan of Samarkand.

[khaymari]

@Prettyfamdancy that square is called Registan means Sandy Landin Samarkand, but each building has its own name. The one in right is called Sherdor means With Lion, straight Tillokori means Crafted in all Gold, and left Ulughbeck, Ulughbeck is a person a king, an astronomer gotta wikipedia him to know more. He is the grandson of Temuri lang, or Temirlame. A conqueror who terrifies Mongols till now.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

Ibn Sinas Vater war ein aus Balch, Chorasan/Afghanistan stammender ismailitischer Steuereintreiber, der sich in Afschana bei Buchara im persischen Samanidenreich, heute Usbekistan, niederließ und dort Ibn Sinas Mutter Setara heiratete. Ibn Sina und ein Bruder wurden in Afschana geboren, anschließend zog die Familie nach Buchara.

Da seine Muttersprache Persisch war, lernte er zuerst Arabisch, die damalige Lingua franca.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

Avicenna´s father was from Balkh, in present-day Afghanistan and his mother from Bukhara, in present-day Uzbekistan. His father, Abdullah, was a respected Ismaili scholar from Balkh, an important town of the Samanid Empire, in what is today Balkh Province, Afghanistan.

[medmol]

Are you making "Lawrence of Arabia "?

[DrGull1888]

@medmol Not in the near future,

[fordummies100]

if he were alive today , he would deny being one you earthy ignorant people , instead of fighting over his nationality , go read his books and learn something.

the same goes for Molana !

[corderitodedios69]

no, no. ibn sina was from khorasan, not afghanistan. afghanistan didnt exist in that times.

[dakocat77]

@corderitodedios69 iran didn't existed before the 20th century per say, Afghanistan had many names, aryana, khorasan and then come a time when the Afghans aka pasthuns became the dominant power in Kohrasan when they humiliatingly defeated Safavids and permanently ended the safavid dynasty they changed the name of Khorasan to Afghanistan. You cannot say that Cesar Octavian is not from Italy, because he was roman so he has nothing to do with Italy, places changes names but not geography

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@dakocat77

thats true, places changes name but not geography, very well said, so the closest people to him are the people from balkh and of course other tajiks/persians. Balkh has an incredibly long and rich history, its name is derived from "Bakht" meaning "fortunate" in Persian. After the invasion of Alexander the Great's Greek Army, the city was made the capitol of the Bactrian Empire. The invading Arab armies called the city "Uhm al-Balad" or "mother of all cities."

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@corderitodedios69

listen hun khorassan exist but not that khorassan where avicenna came from ok! becouse he was from balkh and balkh is now northern afghanistan. when you wnat to inform foreigners about him then they will never know that he was from balkh when you dont mention afghanistan becouse balkh is located in todays afghanistan!

uffff why is it so difficult to understand it?

[CarpeDiem07]

thanks for posting and by the way, the exact translation of (canon of Medicine) is the Law of Medicine.

[DrGull1888]

@CarpeDiem07 Oh, The Law of Medicine. I dunno from where I got my title but nevertheless thanks a lot for correcting.

[Afghaner334]

ibn sina avicena mevlana jelaludin rumi all this men are from belkh afghanistan long live great afghans

[khairuleven]

he drink wine?he's a crook muslim

[vegetada1]

who the heck cares people!! be proud that he was muslim and try being like him..hard working!!

[lakekiyisi]

What Turks know is Ibn-i Sina was Persian.

[lxg0101]

hey there.there is a book by avicenna please any budy help me geting that from net i have been searching for it from last 3 months....torrents paysites etc but that book is not listed... its called

(kitabul Musika ) or the great or grand book of music

[DrGull1888]

I agree completely. Genius!

[SirianKings]

Ibn Sina "BALKHI."

End of discussion.

[DrGull1888]

No end of discussion.

I don't get the "Balkhi" thing. When I'm not mistaken was Balkhi a Persian geographer. Where is the connection to Ibn Sina?

[SirianKings]

He goes by Ibn sina Balkhi as his full-name.

He was from Balkh.

[DrGull1888]

My sources don't mention Balkhi but Afshana close to Bukhara. They also mention that Ibn Sina's father was from Balkh.

So it's possible that Ibn Sina came from Balkh, too. At least it's more likely than the Seljuk thing from above.

[erhan7332]

he was a turk...and original name is

ibnisina..but italians changed it like he was an italian..just like el farabi was changed to al fhrabious and harezmi was changed to khrezmious...but all of them were turkish.lived i,n seljuk empire time..

[DrGull1888]

With all respect, I doubt that. Ibn Sina died in the year 1037 of the Christian calendar. The same year Tugrul Beg founded the Seljuk Empire but they flocked into Persia not until the battle of Dandanaqan which took place in 1040. All of my sources, a historical essay by Dr Ralf Berhorst, the book "Avicenna" by C.H. Strohmaier and wikipedia, claim that Ibn Sina was Persian. And even the Turkish wikipedia side claims it. Translating names into Latin, Italian or Turkish proves nothing.

[Mahdavi1990]

Ignore him. Turks try to pretend that everybody is theirs. They even say Hafez and Rumi were Turkish..

[DrGull1888]

Yes, I heard of Turkish ultra-nationalists who try to naturalize every important person in Islamic history to create a legend of their own superiority.

[lakekiyisi]

What Turks know is he was Persian.

[DrGull1888]

But perhaps you can name some sources, like books and historians?

[shoshana53]

Beautiful interesting thrilling video: back to the future?

[DrGull1888]

Thanks. No, it's "The Wind and the Lion" from 1975.

[DarknessAndRage]

Okay.