@GrizzlyRecoveryZone1 The nose gear failed to extend, which forced the pilot to perform a gear up landing. It messed up the propeller but the maneuver put him on the ground safely.
I'd like to point out: - Why in gods name you did not land full flaps and much slower??? - Why you didn't cut the mixture off before land to safe the so expensive engine??
Same thing happened to me once and the only damege was, propellers and some scuffs on the bottom !!
I like the way she said "ooh thats terrible". No whats terrible my dear is that he DIDNT TURN HIS ENGINE OFF. That meant the whole thing had to be stripped down and a new prop. FAIL! Hehe.... mind you easy to say, some people go to pieces when in an emergency.
@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
I am a pilot. I dont know where this was done, but I do know that in the U.S. pilots are taught to shut down the engine and fuel pump just before touch down on a gear up landing.
Can't tell whether he/she did what is shown on emergency checklist's memory items. If the pilot made it after that then it's a good landing. Although usually planes have a fuel shutoff valve so the prop blades don't get hit like that.
He should have put as much weight as possible in the back so that the cg would be in the back and he would have touched down on both wheels and the back inst6ed of breaking the prop
@andreg00 #1, he might have, the prop continues to spin even with the engine not running. #2, he probably didn't, because if he needed to go around, he wouldn't be able to.
@andreg00 So he could go-around for example if something suddenly entered the runway area, as unlikely as it may be or perhaps if there was a sudden change in wind direction e.g. wind shear.
@AirCanada04 Ok that's a good point. I had an engine fire in a Cessna 150 in 2008 and I landed on a small road. I can understand the situation. In my case, I was convienced I would make it so I had shut down the engine before touch down. Every situation is different I agree. Most importantly it has been well done with limited mechanical dammages only. Good job.
@andreg00 It shouldhave been a go around. Landed deep - fast and then hqad to brake harder - but had more runway, so why so much brake and yeah - why ruin your engine and prop for a poor approach. Doh.
@andreg00 I doubt that would help much anyway. Even if you got lucky and the prop stopped in a horizontal position to where it wouldn't dig into the ground, the impact would probably still be enough to warrant tearing down the engine and inspecting everything. Ignore the engine though and you still have the cowling and skin to repair.
@andreg00 The main reason you would not shut the engine off in a circumstance like that is, in the event of some other emergency (another aircraft on the runway, animals etc) you would still be able to go around and retry the controlled crash landing. If the engine was shut off, this would not be a possibility. So essentially, the pilot is choosing to keep his options open to maximize his person safety over the cost of repairs.
@andreg00 too much loss of thrust vector, for most airplanes, a windmilling propeller would exist upon shut down, creating substantial drag as a blade with a very high angle of attack cuts excess air, even though the plane is in ground effect, it will still windmill, regardless of fuel flow to the engine, he could have done it, but he safely landed with idle power because that is how he learned soft fields, I don't blame him, if it was me tho I would have cut engines upon main gear touchdown...
Would have kept the aileron back a bit longer after landing no? that way you can slow down the plane to a stop before setting the nose down, and minimize damage. just saying..
@sk8pss Are you a pilot? Judging by the fact that you don't know what an aileron is I would say no. So why are you second guessing a pilot that made a perfect gear up landing?
Nope...he failed to shut down the engine, thereby screwing up the prop (a new one), and at the least an engine tear-down and magnaflux. Me, and I can only speak for myself - would have, once the runway was made, cut the engine and neutralized the prop. An accomplished and skilled pilot has few go-a-rounds.
@k00lkatt Mate, It's a piston engine a/c and correct me if I'm wrong but it's fixed pitch too. There would be no way of stopping the propeller from turning, it would windmill and the engine would just keep cranking, even if you did shut it down completely.
@lardman2228 Obviously you have never had an engine failure in flight. Yes the prop would stop. Even if it is a fixed pitch. In addition in colder climates after engine failure oil gets cold and THICK quickly. Have seen it done on a Cessna 172. Engine shut down. Prop stopped. Pilot landed gliding it. It could be done. Could have saved prop and engine.
@mrcnp1 Interesting, I thought it would have windmilled. I'd heard that a windmilling prop in a C172 acts as a sort of a thrust reverser, not sure now exactly, but that's what I'd heard.
@lardman2228 If it was windmilling it would create a lot of drag. You can't feather jet engine in case one engine failure in a multi-engine jet airplane. In small airplanes like Cessna 150, 152, Piper 160,180 and similar, prop stops right away. They are just too slow.
Great job! To all of those commenting on 'pull power, stop the prop', etc..... to hell with that. Once something breaks the plane belongs to someone else, best to not do anything other than get safely on the ground. Have had two mechanically-induced gear-ups, and once realizing that the plane was broken, landed as best as possible and as gently as possible. again, this guy did a great job.
Ive had to land a C210 gear up, left main would not come down. elected to land with all gear up, less damage. I had grass soft surface to land on, still wonder if he might have been better of doing same?
We don't know the status of the pilot. If he was low time, not terribly current or otherwise less than 100%, leaving the engine running so that he could focus on perfect execution of the flare and roll out was the right answer. However, I know many a pilot who would have been willing and able to kill the engine and save both it and the prop.
Sonny, I'm an airline transport pilot with over 7000 hours in general aviation aircraft and at least three gear problem incidents that I can remember. I have shut down the engines and feathered the props, even moving them horizontal when necessary with the starter, on crossing the threshold. It turns out they were broken wire problems and there was no gear collapse. You'd never get a job flying if you say my post was incorrect. With good reason.
Actually a terrible job. There was no need at all to ruin that prop and engine. He came in so hot he could even have pulled the mixture and stopped the prop before the nose dropped.
Agreed with other posters.. I would of killed the engine first just to minimize damage. Just because the aircraft might be insured does not mean the insurance company WILL pay. It's their job to fuck people out of money.
I wouldve pulled the mixture lol BUT i can see that if he still had his engine running and he didnt like his initial decent, he could preform a go around. overall well done
Nope, FORGET about the silly engine- that's old school. You want to have as much ASS insurance as possible when making your emergency landing. Keep the power on tap, either way, the engine is likely to have to be torn down. Not only that, but I'd rather have the insurance co. pay for a new engine rather than saving the soon-in-need-of-an-overhaul old one. I can see practically shutting the engine off if landing is assured, but it may not make the best administrative sense :)
@Alexvideoclip That's what I thought, that way you could have avoided a prop strike and have to have the engine overhauled if the nose didn't hit too hard.
I GUESS WHEN WE YOU´RE NOT IN THE COCKPIT WE ARE ALL MASTERS BUT THINK IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DEAL WHEN YOU´RE REALLY IN AN EMERGENCY, STRICTLY SPEAKING EMERGENCY PROCEDURE WAS WELL CARRIED OUT ONLY THING DID NOT REALLY NOTICE THE ENGINE SHUT DOWN BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE PEOPLE WALKED AWAY AND MOST OF THE PLANE WAS SAVED......CONGRATS GREAT LANDING BY THE WAY
Wouldn't the prop have still been windmilling even if he'd cut fuel? I'd just tell the insurance the checklist was appropriate for a no-gear landing but in this case where a go-around was possible and might be needed to save our lives, it was better to keep the engine on. Would they rather pay for an engine overhaul or the entire plane plus its occupants? Thank you sir, your claim will be processed.
thats a Cessna 177RG (retractible) I had the exact same thing happen - the nose wheel didnt come out, but the single light for all 3 wheels turned green - safe.
I landed on a paved runway unaware until the prop began chopping at the pavement.
Cuf of the ignirtion, did the best i could. a jammed swith and a misadjusted nose gear cause the problem.
I flew again with a new prop, new muffler and some skin work.
I sold the SOB. they didnt call it a 177 Rotten Gear for nothing
The people saying the pilot should have shut the engine down to save it. I got a question: are you insane??? As if your situation is not bad enough. Your nose gear fails, you realise that this is going to be a hard landing, you start to asses the problems you are faced with, this adds a lot more workload, stress and pressure on the pilot.
NOW you want to shut off the engine? when you have a problem in the air, your first objective is to keep flying, and thats hard to dow with out an engine.
Great landing. Even under pressure the pilot forcused on the task at hand and executed a text-book landing. I guess the guys who wanted him to cut the power know the prop probably would have been either still "windmilling" and and thus still turning OR been stopped in a position that would have still struck the runway. Had you been able to stop it from turning and it still struck the runway you would still have to tear the engine down to assess and document internal condition of the engine.
all you people talking about saving the engine this is a 3 blade prop even if he pulled the mixture the plane would come down on the prop and if a prop touches anything its considered a prop strike and needs to be overhauled
And how do you guys know the engine is smoked? he had plenty of time to throttle back and turn off the motor. I bet the motor was still good. Now the prop on the other hand is probably bad
@tahoeskiier I'd rather have the option of making a go-around if the appoach fails than saving my engine. It has to be overhauled anyway, no matter if it still works or not.
@tahoeskiier You never had "Safety One" pull onto the runway without a clearance or having a quick look then...? Trust me full power at that point is your friend! :P
as a pilot who has flown this machine and knows the pilot i can tell you it is a c210. nose gear doors seized therefore jamming the gear. plane was there for repairs and returned there rather than landing at darwin when the problem was found
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This aircraft has FIXED landing gear. It CAN'T be raised or lowered, it makes me laugh reading through some of the comments where people think they are gods gift to aviation . You can see the broken fixed nose wheel strut just before it lands . Must of broken off for some reason?
@marcs990 Tis better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. It's a Cessna 210, and yes it has retractable gear, and although I haven't flown one I have flown a 182 with retracts, which is basically the same configuration just smaller.
I guess keeping the engine ticking over creates a bit more air flow over the elevator allowing the pilot to hold the nose up as long as possible, while the speed bleeds off. Better ruin the prop and maybe the engine than risk the nose dropping down hard, digging in and maybe flipping the plane over, crushing everyone inside. Whatever it is, everyone walked away unhurt, so the pilot did a good job.
HHEEYYY its not about insurance, or what do you think is right or wrong. Its all about CHECKLIST!!! Read the emergency checklist. Prior to touchdown MIXTURE-CUT OFF. its a READ AND DO CHECKLIST!!!
In case of checklist mismatch, the insurance just wont pay ANYTHING!
@Dianafourfiveeight I agree with you but, in the other hand think about other C/L: Engine Fire during Start checklist talks about keep the engine cranking (C172, 182 etc) with full rich mixture and keep it running for few minutes....I personally would cut mixture inmediatly while cranking and run away as fast as possible to save my ass if flames keep alive...
I bet anyone of us would have done a better landing. With time and once the cheklist is read, PIC may change the procedure if safer
Been in this situation....mains were down with no green. Carried speed on the approach, pulled the mix over the numbers and let the nose down ever so gently. Wasn't too concerned about a go around over the threshold, if a cow walked out in front of me I'd probably hit it either way at that point. Each to his own, but I try to do what I can to avoid raising insurance premiums. Go ahead, chastise me.
This guy did fine, I might have kept the mains up on a soft field. (another expert opinion)
All the youtube know alls answer this...IF he shut down the engine and THEN had to go around what would he do then,,, crank crank crank crank...bang...shush flight sim experts of the world....
This is inevitable, since once the airplane slows down there's no longer pressure on the control surfaces, and the cessna is designed to nose down (very useful in case of stall)...
I see the logic in shutting down the engine prior to landing, but the fact is if you need to go around then your screwed. On top of that, even if you shut the engine down and the prop stops, if a blade contacts the ground you're going to have to take the engine apart to inspect it. The impact could cause the crankshaft or any number of parts in the engine to deform. Unless you bump the starter to get the prop horizontal to the ground, and tear down of the engine should be done.
I just finished watching a video where the pilot does the opposite, cuts the engines (twin engine) before touchdown and the whole comment section was complaints about what if he needed to go around. It seems no matter what decision the pilot makes he will always be criticized.
Anyway not cutting the engines was the right choice in case of needing to go around.
@ho3s1td0wn That's why you cut the engine when you know you have the landing made you noob pilot bitch. Say that's what insurance is for is a cover for the pilot not knowing the correct thing to do.
Great landing! And yes he should had turned engine off to save it because now besides new prop and nose they need to spend 15 to 20 K extra. But then again for saving your skin that's nothing!
Well done! I've seen a pilot kill the engine and "chink" the starter to position the prop so it was parallel and wouldn't hit the ground. Eff that, I want the option of a go-around. You pay for insurance for a reason.
I had a situation just like this. It was a controlled field. I came over the field and shut it down then kept tapping the starter until the prop was horizontal. Thought I was going to be text book when on short final the prop flopped to vertical. But at least I saved the engine. Damage was minimal except for the prop, Gear doors, cowling and a few wrinkles behind the firewall
I think this could be argued until the cows come home, but my thoughts are:
A/C perfectly serviceable other than nose gear problem. Familiar with A/C, familiar with landing strip. Fly a perfectly normal approach. You know during the approach whether there is a likelihood of needing to go around or not and you also know when the job is done and you are “in” no matter what. So, you are “in”, a few feet off and all is as normal, now is when I'd turn fuel & mags off.
@jigsaw407 : Yup, I see that now... Odd & ugly, but reduces drag. I've never seen one in the UK like that, or if I have, I've failed to appreciate the fact it was retractable.
@cbkillas : I'm not sure I understand the grass comment ? ?
@cleireach : Fair point, I'm not taking anything away from this guy because he did a perfect job of getting down safely with the minimum of damage. As a pilot myself it was just my thoughts on how I would have dealt in similar circumstances (not that you get that with fixed gear & a tail wheel ;) ) and interested to hear the thoughts & observations of other pilots.
@superfly181 This is a 172 RG (Retractable Gear). Pretty much the same as most other 172 models, biggest differences are retractable gear and a variable pitch propellor
That's how Chuck Norris applies handbrake.
platterhof 3 days ago
I'm not a pilot. What happened here?
GrizzlyRecoveryZone1 4 days ago
@GrizzlyRecoveryZone1 The nose gear failed to extend, which forced the pilot to perform a gear up landing. It messed up the propeller but the maneuver put him on the ground safely.
justinjah91 1 day ago
was the pilot injured? looked pretty rough.
nj4ck 1 week ago
At least he or she is alive to fix the engine. Well done!
sarge810 1 week ago
that's not so bad! ......oh nevermind
joblessalex 1 week ago
Nasil becerdi cok merak ettim.
seref747 1 week ago
I'd like to point out: - Why in gods name you did not land full flaps and much slower??? - Why you didn't cut the mixture off before land to safe the so expensive engine??
Same thing happened to me once and the only damege was, propellers and some scuffs on the bottom !!
Joalch 1 week ago
I'd suggest that if the landing had gone pear shaped that being able to do a go around is a good reason to leave the engine running.
mattkk 1 week ago
Might have shut the motor and cycled the starter to get the prop horizontal. Props are expensive. Otherwise, think he did good.
GaryLaaks1 1 week ago
I like the way she said "ooh thats terrible". No whats terrible my dear is that he DIDNT TURN HIS ENGINE OFF. That meant the whole thing had to be stripped down and a new prop. FAIL! Hehe.... mind you easy to say, some people go to pieces when in an emergency.
truthseekers666 1 week ago
where's the Nose Wheel ? :s
azooz2727 2 weeks ago
Couldn't you have treated it like a tail dragger?
thomasschute123 2 weeks ago
@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
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@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
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@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
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@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
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@thomasschute123 I don't think so, because the CG is within the tricycle-gear envelope and therefore in front of the main gear, so it wouldv'e tipped forward no matter what the pilot did.
flugverrueckt 2 weeks ago
por que no tenia la rueda de nariz? ese cessna no tiene tren retráctil...
germangabri23 2 weeks ago
what an idiot. pull the mixture when you are over the runway.
hemna 2 weeks ago
I am a pilot. I dont know where this was done, but I do know that in the U.S. pilots are taught to shut down the engine and fuel pump just before touch down on a gear up landing.
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Can't tell whether he/she did what is shown on emergency checklist's memory items. If the pilot made it after that then it's a good landing. Although usually planes have a fuel shutoff valve so the prop blades don't get hit like that.
TheSkysweeper 2 weeks ago
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TheSkysweeper 2 weeks ago
controlled crash?? you just reck your engine & prop
TheRick2130 2 weeks ago
He should have put as much weight as possible in the back so that the cg would be in the back and he would have touched down on both wheels and the back inst6ed of breaking the prop
Ihaveapetbeaver 2 weeks ago
He´s a good pilot indeed... Got out of the situation alive, and that´s all.
kopterbrasil1 2 weeks ago
great pilot!!!
Orel149 2 weeks ago
That's what is called a landing incident, not a crash. Big difference.
av8rdav 2 weeks ago
just before touch down??
CZrv4 2 months ago
just question why didnt you shut the engine down
CZrv4 2 months ago
Yes same question from me: Why did you not kill the engine on final ???
andreg00 1 month ago 21
@andreg00 #1, he might have, the prop continues to spin even with the engine not running. #2, he probably didn't, because if he needed to go around, he wouldn't be able to.
emkayusa 3 weeks ago
@andreg00 So he could go-around for example if something suddenly entered the runway area, as unlikely as it may be or perhaps if there was a sudden change in wind direction e.g. wind shear.
gusyboyy 2 weeks ago
@andreg00 Incase he needed to do a go around which he might have done, considering the runway conditions and area around him.
AirCanada04 2 weeks ago
@AirCanada04 Ok that's a good point. I had an engine fire in a Cessna 150 in 2008 and I landed on a small road. I can understand the situation. In my case, I was convienced I would make it so I had shut down the engine before touch down. Every situation is different I agree. Most importantly it has been well done with limited mechanical dammages only. Good job.
andreg00 2 weeks ago
@andreg00 It shouldhave been a go around. Landed deep - fast and then hqad to brake harder - but had more runway, so why so much brake and yeah - why ruin your engine and prop for a poor approach. Doh.
truthseekers666 1 week ago
@andreg00 maybe too much stuff to think of
skat0r 1 week ago
@andreg00 I doubt that would help much anyway. Even if you got lucky and the prop stopped in a horizontal position to where it wouldn't dig into the ground, the impact would probably still be enough to warrant tearing down the engine and inspecting everything. Ignore the engine though and you still have the cowling and skin to repair.
FALCO64125 5 days ago
@FALCO64125 Yeah thats true they would probably want to tear the motor down anyway. Still I think shutting it off would be your best bet
40joel 4 days ago
@andreg00 Probably so they could get the insurance company to buy a new engine and prop.
hyedenny 4 days ago
@andreg00 The main reason you would not shut the engine off in a circumstance like that is, in the event of some other emergency (another aircraft on the runway, animals etc) you would still be able to go around and retry the controlled crash landing. If the engine was shut off, this would not be a possibility. So essentially, the pilot is choosing to keep his options open to maximize his person safety over the cost of repairs.
dmbinns1 2 days ago
@andreg00 Suppose you need to do a go around? Sure he messed up the prop, but the wind sounded like it was pretty gusty. Better safe than sorry.
justinjah91 1 day ago
@andreg00 in case the pilot had to do a go around, prop is going to get messed up either way...engine on or not.
tealmarlin 13 hours ago
@andreg00 too much loss of thrust vector, for most airplanes, a windmilling propeller would exist upon shut down, creating substantial drag as a blade with a very high angle of attack cuts excess air, even though the plane is in ground effect, it will still windmill, regardless of fuel flow to the engine, he could have done it, but he safely landed with idle power because that is how he learned soft fields, I don't blame him, if it was me tho I would have cut engines upon main gear touchdown...
codzomz 7 hours ago
the nosewheel is retractable in Cessna?!!
youghostme 2 months ago
@youghostme thats a centurion c 210 i think. it has retractable gear.
there is also 172 RG but i dont recall if nosegear is retractable.main gear is.
DreamVikings 2 months ago
@DreamVikings 172 RG's also have retractable nosegear
emkayusa 3 weeks ago
@emkayusa thanks
DreamVikings 3 weeks ago
@youghostme
...they aren't all C-152's and Skyhawks. Who knew?
eaterofclams 1 month ago
@youghostme not to my knowledge...
nicetees 3 weeks ago
Would have kept the aileron back a bit longer after landing no? that way you can slow down the plane to a stop before setting the nose down, and minimize damage. just saying..
sk8pss 2 months ago
@sk8pss 1) I think you mean elevator 2) it is hard back the whole time
leow626569 2 months ago 6
@sk8pss Are you a pilot? Judging by the fact that you don't know what an aileron is I would say no. So why are you second guessing a pilot that made a perfect gear up landing?
emkayusa 3 weeks ago
get a trike until you can handle that.
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puts . era pra ter cortado o motor quando tocou os trem principais..
MrAzazazazazazazaza 2 months ago
Nope...he failed to shut down the engine, thereby screwing up the prop (a new one), and at the least an engine tear-down and magnaflux. Me, and I can only speak for myself - would have, once the runway was made, cut the engine and neutralized the prop. An accomplished and skilled pilot has few go-a-rounds.
k00lkatt 2 months ago
@k00lkatt Mate, It's a piston engine a/c and correct me if I'm wrong but it's fixed pitch too. There would be no way of stopping the propeller from turning, it would windmill and the engine would just keep cranking, even if you did shut it down completely.
lardman2228 2 months ago
@lardman2228 Obviously you have never had an engine failure in flight. Yes the prop would stop. Even if it is a fixed pitch. In addition in colder climates after engine failure oil gets cold and THICK quickly. Have seen it done on a Cessna 172. Engine shut down. Prop stopped. Pilot landed gliding it. It could be done. Could have saved prop and engine.
mrcnp1 2 months ago
@mrcnp1 Interesting, I thought it would have windmilled. I'd heard that a windmilling prop in a C172 acts as a sort of a thrust reverser, not sure now exactly, but that's what I'd heard.
lardman2228 2 months ago
@lardman2228 If it was windmilling it would create a lot of drag. You can't feather jet engine in case one engine failure in a multi-engine jet airplane. In small airplanes like Cessna 150, 152, Piper 160,180 and similar, prop stops right away. They are just too slow.
mrcnp1 2 months ago
Eu sendo esse piloto ae eu puxaria o profundor depois do toque até o bicho encostar a cauda pq é melhor do que o nariz
ciceropaulod 3 months ago
Great job! To all of those commenting on 'pull power, stop the prop', etc..... to hell with that. Once something breaks the plane belongs to someone else, best to not do anything other than get safely on the ground. Have had two mechanically-induced gear-ups, and once realizing that the plane was broken, landed as best as possible and as gently as possible. again, this guy did a great job.
jvoss1000 3 months ago
Ive had to land a C210 gear up, left main would not come down. elected to land with all gear up, less damage. I had grass soft surface to land on, still wonder if he might have been better of doing same?
Cromagnon2010 3 months ago
in the description it says the nose gear wont come down but on that plane its fixed gear
TheChaos1623 3 months ago
@TheChaos1623
Look closer again, the plane has not fixed gear.
Cnicbr 3 months ago
Al final se oye el ruido de un mosquito
MrMrjorge13 3 months ago
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Diablobb1000 3 months ago
We don't know the status of the pilot. If he was low time, not terribly current or otherwise less than 100%, leaving the engine running so that he could focus on perfect execution of the flare and roll out was the right answer. However, I know many a pilot who would have been willing and able to kill the engine and save both it and the prop.
MrSunrise1961 3 months ago
@SlipStreamrock
Sonny, I'm an airline transport pilot with over 7000 hours in general aviation aircraft and at least three gear problem incidents that I can remember. I have shut down the engines and feathered the props, even moving them horizontal when necessary with the starter, on crossing the threshold. It turns out they were broken wire problems and there was no gear collapse. You'd never get a job flying if you say my post was incorrect. With good reason.
Doodles1947 3 months ago
@Doodles1947 Spot on. To say leveling the prop is poor piloting is to say soaring is dangerous.
k00lkatt 2 months ago
Actually a terrible job. There was no need at all to ruin that prop and engine. He came in so hot he could even have pulled the mixture and stopped the prop before the nose dropped.
Doodles1947 3 months ago
@Doodles1947 INCORRECT
SlipStreamrock 3 months ago
Agreed with other posters.. I would of killed the engine first just to minimize damage. Just because the aircraft might be insured does not mean the insurance company WILL pay. It's their job to fuck people out of money.
Kopihucky 3 months ago
engine should be off when landing assured, that way you have more ocntrol of the aircraft, less dust, less damage, less stupid.
MAXSOL69 3 months ago
Good job man, did you consider pulling the mixture to kill the engine before landing? Whatever, your safety is priority.
lvbearboy 3 months ago
I wouldve pulled the mixture lol BUT i can see that if he still had his engine running and he didnt like his initial decent, he could preform a go around. overall well done
remas14 3 months ago
great job!!
ThePilotBuddy 3 months ago
That's not terrible, that's perfect!
uriahms 3 months ago
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rjdriver700 3 months ago
Nope, FORGET about the silly engine- that's old school. You want to have as much ASS insurance as possible when making your emergency landing. Keep the power on tap, either way, the engine is likely to have to be torn down. Not only that, but I'd rather have the insurance co. pay for a new engine rather than saving the soon-in-need-of-an-overhaul old one. I can see practically shutting the engine off if landing is assured, but it may not make the best administrative sense :)
likeawhispr 3 months ago
He (she) should have stop the engine and land gliding.
It's part of the training.
Alexvideoclip 4 months ago
@Alexvideoclip That's what I thought, that way you could have avoided a prop strike and have to have the engine overhauled if the nose didn't hit too hard.
CaptainMetalwing 3 months ago
is that an australian plane? if not, why does it have a vh callsign?
bawb100 4 months ago
@bawb100 VH-FTM
whateveryounub 4 months ago
wow very smooth touch down at 0:12! seriously :D
IndependentIV 4 months ago
fuck the engine
Trituri1337 5 months ago
I GUESS WHEN WE YOU´RE NOT IN THE COCKPIT WE ARE ALL MASTERS BUT THINK IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DEAL WHEN YOU´RE REALLY IN AN EMERGENCY, STRICTLY SPEAKING EMERGENCY PROCEDURE WAS WELL CARRIED OUT ONLY THING DID NOT REALLY NOTICE THE ENGINE SHUT DOWN BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE PEOPLE WALKED AWAY AND MOST OF THE PLANE WAS SAVED......CONGRATS GREAT LANDING BY THE WAY
SuperLIGHTNING2011 5 months ago 2
why not trim to get the tail end down....
habibee2u 5 months ago
Thats a cessna 210, not a cardinal.The 210 has an elevator, the cardinal has a stabilator.
midnav 5 months ago
Actually he did cut the engine after he was solidly on the ground and knew he wouldn't need to go around.
malamagr 5 months ago
Wouldn't the prop have still been windmilling even if he'd cut fuel? I'd just tell the insurance the checklist was appropriate for a no-gear landing but in this case where a go-around was possible and might be needed to save our lives, it was better to keep the engine on. Would they rather pay for an engine overhaul or the entire plane plus its occupants? Thank you sir, your claim will be processed.
malamagr 5 months ago
thats a Cessna 177RG (retractible) I had the exact same thing happen - the nose wheel didnt come out, but the single light for all 3 wheels turned green - safe.
I landed on a paved runway unaware until the prop began chopping at the pavement.
Cuf of the ignirtion, did the best i could. a jammed swith and a misadjusted nose gear cause the problem.
I flew again with a new prop, new muffler and some skin work.
I sold the SOB. they didnt call it a 177 Rotten Gear for nothing
discoverwhaturmissin 6 months ago
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Baidd11 1 month ago
Should have pulled the mixture in that insanely long landing roll... but what do I know, I'm just a pilot..
CanadianFighterPilot 6 months ago
nice landing though
Born2fly5 6 months ago
They should have pulled the mixture to cutoff when they knew they were going to make the runway.
martynoconnorvids 6 months ago
@a5478312 Oh, ok. Didn't know that...
MrLowAltitude 6 months ago
That was the best the pilot could do in that situation. Well done!!!
TheDaveyht3 7 months ago
@a5478312 If the prop strikes the ground, you have to overhaul the engine. It doesen't matter if it's ok or not.
MrLowAltitude 7 months ago
dude you need nose wheel.
AlevliTurkGs 7 months ago
The people saying the pilot should have shut the engine down to save it. I got a question: are you insane??? As if your situation is not bad enough. Your nose gear fails, you realise that this is going to be a hard landing, you start to asses the problems you are faced with, this adds a lot more workload, stress and pressure on the pilot.
NOW you want to shut off the engine? when you have a problem in the air, your first objective is to keep flying, and thats hard to dow with out an engine.
contemporarymonk 7 months ago
Excellent Job. Well done ....
I used to fly them too .......
MrHelidude 7 months ago
Great landing. Even under pressure the pilot forcused on the task at hand and executed a text-book landing. I guess the guys who wanted him to cut the power know the prop probably would have been either still "windmilling" and and thus still turning OR been stopped in a position that would have still struck the runway. Had you been able to stop it from turning and it still struck the runway you would still have to tear the engine down to assess and document internal condition of the engine.
TACBTNRCC 7 months ago
by the way 11/10 for this guy! :D
wildmetal16 7 months ago
nicely done.
robertl30 8 months ago
all you people talking about saving the engine this is a 3 blade prop even if he pulled the mixture the plane would come down on the prop and if a prop touches anything its considered a prop strike and needs to be overhauled
SkatingIsMyWayOfLife 8 months ago
he landed by using the propeller. good lesson!
AndriSalim 9 months ago
The pilot did a very good job.
flightoftheunknown 9 months ago
Should have sent someone out back to surf the tail. W&B win.
jamlip 9 months ago
And how do you guys know the engine is smoked? he had plenty of time to throttle back and turn off the motor. I bet the motor was still good. Now the prop on the other hand is probably bad
tahoeskiier 10 months ago
And how do you guys know the engine is smoked? he had plenty of time to throttle back and turn off the motor. I bet the motor was still good
tahoeskiier 10 months ago
@tahoeskiier I'd rather have the option of making a go-around if the appoach fails than saving my engine. It has to be overhauled anyway, no matter if it still works or not.
MrLowAltitude 7 months ago
@tahoeskiier
You dont decide to make a go around after you have sucessfully landed a plane
tahoeskiier 6 months ago
@tahoeskiier You never had "Safety One" pull onto the runway without a clearance or having a quick look then...? Trust me full power at that point is your friend! :P
murpet1988 5 months ago
thats bigger than a 172rg
good work on that landing, looks like everyone walked away safe.
Hurricane4x4Parts 10 months ago
that was pro!
and all you noobs talking about you would do better, pfffffff
BorisKnoT 10 months ago 11
slabije koci
karakondzula7 10 months ago
as a pilot who has flown this machine and knows the pilot i can tell you it is a c210. nose gear doors seized therefore jamming the gear. plane was there for repairs and returned there rather than landing at darwin when the problem was found
marcs990 you are a tool
BalderAsir 11 months ago 2
@BalderAsir oh, true, no wing struts :P I was thinking it was a 172 at first!
lardman2228 2 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This aircraft has FIXED landing gear. It CAN'T be raised or lowered, it makes me laugh reading through some of the comments where people think they are gods gift to aviation . You can see the broken fixed nose wheel strut just before it lands . Must of broken off for some reason?
marcs990 11 months ago
@marcs990 Actually this looks like C172 RG to me, which means he had nose gear depl failure. The stick you see under the cowl is the exhaust pipe.
drtz4890 11 months ago
@marcs990
it has fixed gear, huh? how do you explain the wheel wells on the bottom side of the fuselage then?
taterfamine 11 months ago
@marcs990 Tis better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. It's a Cessna 210, and yes it has retractable gear, and although I haven't flown one I have flown a 182 with retracts, which is basically the same configuration just smaller.
mormon97 10 months ago
I guess keeping the engine ticking over creates a bit more air flow over the elevator allowing the pilot to hold the nose up as long as possible, while the speed bleeds off. Better ruin the prop and maybe the engine than risk the nose dropping down hard, digging in and maybe flipping the plane over, crushing everyone inside. Whatever it is, everyone walked away unhurt, so the pilot did a good job.
shinco52 11 months ago
HHEEYYY its not about insurance, or what do you think is right or wrong. Its all about CHECKLIST!!! Read the emergency checklist. Prior to touchdown MIXTURE-CUT OFF. its a READ AND DO CHECKLIST!!!
In case of checklist mismatch, the insurance just wont pay ANYTHING!
Dianafourfiveeight 1 year ago
@Dianafourfiveeight I agree with you but, in the other hand think about other C/L: Engine Fire during Start checklist talks about keep the engine cranking (C172, 182 etc) with full rich mixture and keep it running for few minutes....I personally would cut mixture inmediatly while cranking and run away as fast as possible to save my ass if flames keep alive...
I bet anyone of us would have done a better landing. With time and once the cheklist is read, PIC may change the procedure if safer
wildmetal16 7 months ago
@wildmetal16 ops, i meant no one, not anyone xD this guy has landed perfectly
wildmetal16 6 months ago
Stop the engine.. Landing gear up.. And get ready for a belly landing....
TheWrestlingrobot 1 year ago
@TheWrestlingrobot can't put up the gear in this plane
tvoice1 11 months ago
@tvoice1 If you couldn't then this wouldn't of hapenned... The nose gear didn't want to come down...
TheWrestlingrobot 11 months ago
Nicely done
Kanoee64 1 year ago
Been in this situation....mains were down with no green. Carried speed on the approach, pulled the mix over the numbers and let the nose down ever so gently. Wasn't too concerned about a go around over the threshold, if a cow walked out in front of me I'd probably hit it either way at that point. Each to his own, but I try to do what I can to avoid raising insurance premiums. Go ahead, chastise me.
This guy did fine, I might have kept the mains up on a soft field. (another expert opinion)
bughole69 1 year ago
SCREW THE ENGINE... Save the pilot and pax...1st
All the youtube know alls answer this...IF he shut down the engine and THEN had to go around what would he do then,,, crank crank crank crank...bang...shush flight sim experts of the world....
abus777 1 year ago
This is inevitable, since once the airplane slows down there's no longer pressure on the control surfaces, and the cessna is designed to nose down (very useful in case of stall)...
huracan200173 1 year ago
meh. Still shoulda cut the engine to avoid any prop pieces flying at your face.
eclipse245 1 year ago
stop the engine???? Put down the gear!
just kidding, no, I'm not stupid... or gay, or dead, and yes, I read the description.
Who cares about the engine. That's what insurance is for.
jwboll 1 year ago 32
For steadier vids, buy a tripod!
TheBassguitarfreak 1 year ago
I see the logic in shutting down the engine prior to landing, but the fact is if you need to go around then your screwed. On top of that, even if you shut the engine down and the prop stops, if a blade contacts the ground you're going to have to take the engine apart to inspect it. The impact could cause the crankshaft or any number of parts in the engine to deform. Unless you bump the starter to get the prop horizontal to the ground, and tear down of the engine should be done.
SigChi725 1 year ago
that was the cool of the cool.
rolliemachine 1 year ago
thats why you should go fixed-gear ;)
AltAirPilot517 1 year ago
@AltAirPilot517
It is fixed gear you idiot.
bullseatpizza 1 year ago
@bullseatpizza
lol how is that 'fixed gear' if the nosewheel failed to come down?
Spetsop 1 year ago
@Spetsop That's a Cessna 172RG. It's a version of the C172 but with Retractable Gears (RG)
nicolai953 1 year ago
Pretty sure that's a 210. 172s have wing struts. Also I believe gear failures have been pretty common in 210s.
DaBears6585 1 year ago 2
It had a 3 bladed prop. Two blades are going to get it anyway. Mandatory inspection of the engine even if it's not rotating.
robertwaldo 1 year ago
thats the plane that crash landed on the beach
MrKyle3453 1 year ago
@MrKyle3453 what beach
piloty5 1 year ago
all the people saying he should've saved the engine....what if he had to go around??? and besides thats why you have insurance
ho3s1td0wn 1 year ago 36
@ho3s1td0wn
I just finished watching a video where the pilot does the opposite, cuts the engines (twin engine) before touchdown and the whole comment section was complaints about what if he needed to go around. It seems no matter what decision the pilot makes he will always be criticized.
Anyway not cutting the engines was the right choice in case of needing to go around.
majch 1 year ago
@ho3s1td0wn That's why you cut the engine when you know you have the landing made you noob pilot bitch. Say that's what insurance is for is a cover for the pilot not knowing the correct thing to do.
gypsykingg 7 months ago
@ho3s1td0wn start engine again :D men 20 000 euros ;D
RiadSalkanovic 7 months ago
@RiadSalkanovic yeah good luck with that..
ho3s1td0wn 6 months ago
@ho3s1td0wn 1) once the mains were down there would be absolutley no reason to go around. 2) why destroy something if you don't have to.
archer49d 4 months ago
Fuel Off, mags off, Idle Cut off, Mixture Cut off..... then FEATHER THE PROP!
joemct 1 year ago
Great landing! And yes he should had turned engine off to save it because now besides new prop and nose they need to spend 15 to 20 K extra. But then again for saving your skin that's nothing!
ingaguzman 1 year ago
Well done! I've seen a pilot kill the engine and "chink" the starter to position the prop so it was parallel and wouldn't hit the ground. Eff that, I want the option of a go-around. You pay for insurance for a reason.
33jarhead88 1 year ago
any landing that u can walk away from....is a good one
DSMFHADSJHAERSIKJASH 1 year ago
that was one of the best soft feild landings i have ever seen not to mention the slight pressure of the nose gear stuck up. wow great pilot!
DELTA757200 1 year ago
I had a situation just like this. It was a controlled field. I came over the field and shut it down then kept tapping the starter until the prop was horizontal. Thought I was going to be text book when on short final the prop flopped to vertical. But at least I saved the engine. Damage was minimal except for the prop, Gear doors, cowling and a few wrinkles behind the firewall
sonex424 1 year ago
nice landing skilled pilot
sk8screamerguitar 1 year ago
one comment , in this scenario wuld it be safer to shut down the engine before touch down
CaptBesweri 1 year ago
always a hazard about RG craft, gear might not come down. Expensive repair, prop strike usually means the engine is toast.
mechmove 1 year ago
good langing on two wheels !Good pilot !
PiperAircraft 1 year ago
Engine on, or engine off?
I think this could be argued until the cows come home, but my thoughts are:
A/C perfectly serviceable other than nose gear problem. Familiar with A/C, familiar with landing strip. Fly a perfectly normal approach. You know during the approach whether there is a likelihood of needing to go around or not and you also know when the job is done and you are “in” no matter what. So, you are “in”, a few feet off and all is as normal, now is when I'd turn fuel & mags off.
austerace 1 year ago
@jigsaw407 : Yup, I see that now... Odd & ugly, but reduces drag. I've never seen one in the UK like that, or if I have, I've failed to appreciate the fact it was retractable.
austerace 1 year ago
@cbkillas : I'm not sure I understand the grass comment ? ?
@cleireach : Fair point, I'm not taking anything away from this guy because he did a perfect job of getting down safely with the minimum of damage. As a pilot myself it was just my thoughts on how I would have dealt in similar circumstances (not that you get that with fixed gear & a tail wheel ;) ) and interested to hear the thoughts & observations of other pilots.
austerace 1 year ago
very nicely performed in my opinion.
WorthWatchingVv 1 year ago
nosewheel wouldn't come down ? cessna the gear is always down isn't it ? how ccan you lose your front wheel in the air ??=D
superfly181 1 year ago
@superfly181 This is a 172 RG (Retractable Gear). Pretty much the same as most other 172 models, biggest differences are retractable gear and a variable pitch propellor
Snakebite18th 1 year ago
@superfly181 no, some cessna airplanes have retractile gears too.
atariocero 1 year ago
excellent handling of a nasty situation, doors unlocked for a quick escape and he didn't flip, well done!
andrewcanavan 1 year ago