and how dare this woman even try to represent Islam or say she is a Muslim. She is not a Muslim, because she openly admits she's a Lesbian. You might as well say your a Muslim who believes in atheism. Its so illogical and stupid. She wears the Muslim label so she has more weight to try and change and corrupt Islam and tell it what to be, because her arguments wouldn't sell well if coming from a kaffir (infidel). How dare her wear the label of Muslim to try and tell Islam what it should be
This woman is stupid. All the things they say are "wrong" with Islam are simply the unique aspects of Islam. They say its "wrong" because its different than the other religions. In other words, its wrong because its not being the same as the other religions, and they want to make Islam integrated and something that is the same. Islam came as something strange, something withdrawn. We will never integrate. There's nothing to fix. These people make me sick
I barely met this lady on another video that she is on but she won this round, yes tv programs that make fun of God or any religion are very offensive but thats the world for you. Let it go its not the end of the world. I feel sorry for people that do that.
Watch Simpsons (and the like) they take the piss out off Christians, Jews and Hindus...you don't see any people from those faiths threatining to kill anyone!! Why?? Because they know that its a JOKE!! I love taking the piss out of religions, because there are some idiots out there that take faith a little to far and start crying over a cartoon....a cartoon like Ben 10 or Peppa Pig... GET A GRIP ON YOURSELVES YOU RETARDS!!!
@MissAPierce If you are Muslim and believe in the Qu'ran and Sunnah, then I invite you to look up her political and Islamic views. In essence, she is a turncoat and an Uncle Tom. She seeks to change Islam by lambasting it on the world stage. As a propagandist, she has no sympathy for the Muslims living abroad who are continually oppressed by US foreign policy. If that is the type of Islam you would live to live, then you are free to pray behind her.
@redbullion01 She does not say Islam is bad. She says only that the good in it has been covered up by greedy men, and that true Islam does not seek to kill and dominate. What is wrong with that?
@MissAPierce Answer me this please. How does a Christian proselytize Christianity by attacking Christians? How does a Constitutional lawyer abide by the Constitution by arguing for an entirely new one?
The notion that she is some type of Islamic scholar is farcical and absurd. She is not what you believe her to be.
@redbullion01 Martin Luther was a Christian who attacked the corrupt Catholic church in all its greed, by saying a ticket to heaven could not be bought. He proselytized Christianity that way, and it worked. And the Constitution does not claim divinity, so it deliberately opens to interpretation.
I have answered your questions, but you have not answered mine. What is wrong with Irshad saying that Islam is not about killing and domination? Her sources aren't bad. I've looked.
@MissAPierce Your point on Martin Luther is hardly a fair one. I would not for a minute put her in the same league or give her the same amount of credibility as he deserves. As to your questions, you grossly over-simplify her stance on Islam. In fact, the question itself is suspect. I'm starting to think you haven't taken my advice and researched her positions.
@MissAPierce Here's something I just noticed from the video description: Alan Dershowitz praised her book on Islam. I suspect you might not know who Dershowitz or Finkelstein are. If that is the case, you absolutely need to research these two figures. These two political opposites make her look like an intellectual midget.
@redbullion01 I have not read their work but am familiar enough with their premises to know what you mean. I don't see how they have any bearing on Irshad, however. She stand on her own and cites her work from scripture.
@MissAPierce Read the socialistunity article posted in the video description. Her flagship book is utterly debunked, by an atheist no less. I can't do this for you in the space of a youtube comment. You claim that "she stands on her own". The very point of being a polemical propagandist means you've chosen a side and spout deception. She is essentially used by right-wing bigots use to justify their hate.
The west has selective ridiculing Islam?? What is this guy talking about??
Christian and Jews has been mocked and ridicule as far as i can remember.
The guy maybe right about writing condemning the semitism and Christian hatred but ordinary Muslim in the Arab world either support and sympathise with those hatred. Irshad is right, they will be no protest against these hatred and yes Muslim will react violently if Islam is criticised.
As'ad is trying too hard to paint a rosy picture about Islam.
Muslims are not allowed to choose another faith. They would be KILLED!!!!
Islam is peace
My ex-husband wanted me to breastfeed his older brother five times. Check the Fatwa - In Sahih Muslim - the wife of the prophet Breastfeeding Men, so they wanted me to do it!!
Irshad is a fool she has no knowledge of any religion she is devious she is a product of Christians and Jews Honestly, I just think that she needs to be fucked. Some girls just need to be fucked so they don't have to think about studying all the time and trust me I ready and willing Irshad, please shut the fuck up no one cares what you think, your so wrong that you have become boring
@TheLaig88 Muslims are not allowed to choose another faith. They would be KILLED!!!!
Islam is peace
My ex-husband wanted me to breastfeed his older brother five times. Check the Fatwa - In Sahih Muslim - the wife of the prophet Breastfeeding Men, so they wanted me to do it!!
Irshad Manji is a pro-Israel defender of American foreign policy who never attacks Jews or Christians and is selectively hateful towards Arabs. Abukhalil is consistent in his dislike of all religions. Manji only bashes Muslims which is why she is a welcome guest on Fox News and he is not.
Consistent atheism demands consistent dislike of all religions.
Well, there is ton of information about islam and its stupidity on the net. You probably get your information from others who are as stupid as fox news. lol. I read kuran, and its bull crap. Get your facts right, dont call critics as haters.
Irshad Manji is an attention-whore. She could have worked as a social activist and a feminist rather than posing as a solution-maker for Islam when she knows naught about the religion whatsoever.
Is this guy really that dumb? If you live in the west you know all religions are given crap or criticised. He says it’s cool if you mock all religions together only when criticising Islam, but it’s ok to give Christianity crap and Judaism crap on their own. Fuck, I'm just confusing myself. Sorry, I forgot for a second this shit isn't supposed to make sense. Is this the new tactic? Get a pro-Islam atheist in to give some credence to propaganda?
@azadam1000 Your no better then her kaffering other muslim brothers. I agree she is a complete kaffur, but you know those Shia'a you hate, there better the about every single sunni you know. YOu are misguided. the prophet said man kaffar muslim fa ho kaffir. We are all brothers. and you cannot say shiaa are kaffar, they are very great muslims.
So far she's doing very well indeed, and the so-called atheist debating with her can't even admit that mob rule, arson and murder are a shameful behaviour, in no way justified by the fact that someguy somewhere has insulted you. And it was egged on, rather than restrained, by preachers, and political Islamists, which indicates problems with the Islamic world, with the religion-as-it-is-currently-practised.
@Alkindi90 : Arabs don't have slaves now because of the pressure put on their princes by Western imperialists in the early 20th Century. It took so long to remove because slavery (but not the slave trade) tended to be relatively benign in Arabia - relatively.
Re: the video.
Someone would put this up to DISCREDIT her?
As'ad Abu Khalil is so angry, demanding and self-righteous, that so far my reaction is "thank heavens for her", and "bravo!"
there is reason homosexuality is forbiddon in Islam Allah allmighty knows all. and sexually transmitted diseases wouldnt be around with out the help of these people. if she is really muslim then she would know god is justice and if homosexuality is a sin then it would be unjust to make people born that way this is why homosexuality is a choice. this lady is moronic. and everyone who agrees with her is ignorant. read the Quran and make your own decision's don't listen to media. salam :)
irshad Manji wants Islam to say;it's okay to be LISBO because she's accepted among the Israeli gay & lisbo in Israel .she meets with right wing Christian
Pat Robinso to speak against Islam but she never asks him what does he think
" A person who thinks that slavery is wrong yet subscribes to a religion that permits it is a hypocrite" do you want verses from the bible regarding slavery?
dude, you are wasting my time your logic is ass backward!
Only conflict pays off on social networks, and opinion at the best, so if these are our medias and our way to communicate out of abstraction, we should check out what silence brings us after all that noise, if in silence we still avow fueling conflict we loose.
I am atheist, and Irshad Manji is an ignorant bitch.
People like her build a career by saying the following (I'm muslim, and so I can confirm to you dear bigoted islamophobe that muslims are all the horrible things you think they are. Because I'm Muslim myself)
@Mattyb88ful No it is not. That is a prejudiced statement. It is the same way of thinking that reasoned "it is ok rational to opposed to black people, or jews". Summing up millions of people by the actions of a few is not rational at all. It is only rational from a racist perspective, which even then is not applicable because Islam is not followed by a particular race.
@mabutaleb what else did you expect? these idiot read books? they never cite any books or historians rather they copy each other rhetoric . reflecting the thickness they are suffering. they have a technique called "pulling information out of our asses". it is not a new technique but these dummies really perfected it..
@Mattyb88ful That is very smart but during the time i spend arguing with Christards, i couldn't get any rational answer or response, would you enlighten me (the immoral Muslim) how Islam is "ignorant" (the religion itself is ignorant) and immoral? maybe i'm missing something here...
It's ignorant because it claims that the Quran is the word of god, for which there is absolutely no evidence. And, when, for example, Muslims face a conflict between a literal interpretation of the Quran and well established scientific explanations like evolution, they opt for the Quran.
Also, it's immoral because, well, it's oppressive and barbaric. It, for example, condones slavery; it maintains patriarchal gender roles, to the detriment of women;
@Mattyb88ful All religious people claim their "holy" text books are from a divine god. you are starting a completely different topic which is "does God exist?". Humans throughout history believed that there is a divine being running their lives and its been like these for thousands of years. this is not an attack against Islam, rather it is an attack on the principle of religion itself. But for some reason you are portraying this issue as an Islamic one.. interesting.
""haha now why don't just go and find something more productive to waste your time on? you know read a book or flip burgers in McDonald..""
-- Oh, piss off, dimwit. You don't have the intelligence or the arguments to actually counter my points so you resort to petty personal attacks. Oh, and, by the way, just a few tips for the future - refrain from making racist comments, recognise that two wrongs do not make a right, and don't make personal attacks against people.
@Mattyb88ful i don't have the intelgant to counter your points . such as "everybody knows it".. "No because it just No".. you didn't have a point to counter...
@Mattyb88ful and how is it racist to point out incident in European history? the European racist history? because you are arguing with me on historical matters. (slavery in islam). so i have to compare the two histories. that is not racist my friend. And it was the Arabs who had the slaves not all Muslims BTW!
""and how is it racist to point out incident in European history?""
-- This is what you said: "you Europeans (or those of European defendant) have an extremely short memory". Doesn't that sound racist to you? What about, "you Europeans have ... a tendency to dehumanize others"? If I said, "blacks have an extremely short memory", I doubt anyone would say that that's not racist.
""it was the Arabs who had the slaves not all Muslims""
@Mattyb88ful I don't care what Church says i'm obligated by the scripture. and the scripture permit slavery. And the Church WAS permitting slavery.
The Religion itself permit slavery. so does Islam. because every civilization was built on slavery! but Islam encourages Muslims to free salves and i provided a verse for you.
i don't care if you are an atheist, your own people civilization was built on slavery too..
WIkipedia: "Since the Middle Ages, the Christian understanding of slavery has seen dramatic change. Nearly all Christian leaders before the late 17th century regarded slavery as consistent with Christian theology.... Today, nearly all Christians are united in the condemnation of modern slavery as wrong and contrary to God's will."
Christian theology has changed. Has Islamic theology?
@Mattyb88ful " No, it doesn't. At least not any more." and you call yourself an atheist? and wikipedia is where you are getting your information from? didn't i say you are a charlatan? The fucking christian scripture does not oppose slavery. the church modifying that is a whole different matter. Islam does not have a priesthood. Muslims just like the rest of the word reject slavery because it is a different time.
""and wikipedia is where you are getting your information from?""
-- At least I am providing some form of evidence for my comments. You have provided nothing in support of your claims. Oh, and, by the way, according to a Pew Research Center study carried out last year, the majority of Muslims in Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan and Nigeria think those who leave Islam should be killed. What do you have to say about that?
@Mattyb88ful oh have i? what did i say exactly and did not provide evidence for? Wikipedia you dumbass is a reliable source! we learn that in writing 1010!!!!
@Mattyb88ful you see? this is exactly what Assad is talking about. Choosing one religion to attack and leaving others. YOU (Americans) attacking Muslims because they had slaves? i don't know if i should laugh or cry...
-- Your arguments are so weak you have to resort to insults. Pathetic.
Anyway, where is the evidence that Muslims reject slavery? Name me leading scholars and imams who say that the parts of the Quran where slavery is permitted are not acceptable any more and that slavery is completely wrong without exception.
@Mattyb88ful tell me one christian leader REJECT section in the bible? again, they don't reject they explain differently. name one christian REJECT part of the bible. the same thing applies for muslims. they do not have to REJECT the Quran, but threy do understand that it is a different time and slavery is not acceptable any more.you are going to respond and say "but the quran permit slavery"! again! that is why i'm calling you a fucktard. because you are thick as fuck!
-- Where is the evidence that Muslims beleive that slavery is no longer acceptable? Name me a scholar or an Imam who says that slavery is no longer acceptable in Islam.
@Mattyb88ful "Where is the evidence that Muslims beleive that slavery is no longer acceptable? " No Muslims have slaves anymore. if they still believe in slavery, they would still have it.
"Name me a scholar or an Imam who says that slavery is no longer acceptable in Islam." name one christian scholar say the scripture does not allow slavery? THE SCRIPTURE NOT HIS OWN OPINION!
""tell me one christian leader REJECT section in the bible?""
-- You YOURSELF just a moment ago said you don't care about the Church modifying the Bible. So, you think that they are rejecting sections of the Bible. Yet, now, you're asking me to provide examples of Christian leaders who reject sections in the Bible. Clearly, you have a very short memory. The dictionary defines 'modification' as: 'To change in form or character; alter."
@Mattyb88ful "You YOURSELF just a moment ago said you don't care about the Church modifying the Bible"
responding to your atheistic apology for Christianity. i said, they have different interpretation considering the time difference. they never reject the bible. there is a huge different between rejecting and interpretation. you aksed me name one Muslim who say slavery is not permitted in islam? no one because it is idiotic to say it was not. but i said the Quran encourage freeing slaves.
""you aksed me name one Muslim who say slavery is not permitted in islam? no one because it is idiotic to say it was not.""
-- Well, that's a shame because you will have no difficulty finding Christians who would argue that slavery is rejected in Christianity. You might say that these people are not following their scripture properly but that's irrelevant. The point is that, for one reason or another, they have changed their views on the matter.
@Mattyb88ful okay, you are a retard. it is relevant, because you are attacking the faith (islam) not the people.right? because Muslims do not have slaves. so when you attack the faith itself and ignoring the fact that people do not have slaves anymore, the scripture become relevant. but again name one christian say THE BIBLE DOES NOT PERMIT SLAVERY, their opinions are irrelevant. because Muslims reject slavery not saying it is not in the quran
@Mattyb88ful yes you are a thick bastard, fucktard and a retard. these are facts. you are not reading what i'm saying and jumping from one point to another just to fill the comment section.
Evidence that Muslims reject slavery? and the scripture is irrelevant? okay, Muslims had slaves because they are essential to build any civilization. yet, the Quran encourages muslims to free slaves 2:177:"and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, Such are the people of the truth and they are pious.
@Mattyb88ful wait before jumping to another point, No Muslims in our current time say that he/she wants slaves. there are no slaves. that is by itself indicate that they do not approve slavery in this time because they already believe that freeing the slaves is an Islamic virtue according to the verse i just provided. They do not have to discuss something does not exist any more. and they are not stupid to say their religion forbids them from having slaves, unlike christian dummies!
""and they are not stupid to say their religion forbids them from having slaves""
-- So, they are not against slavery. They do not denounce it. They do not claim their religion is opposed to slavery. I'm glad you have finally admitted it.
@Mattyb88ful haha! again, saying my religion does not allow slavery while the scripture reveals otherwise is stupid. i don't know if that is what Christians are doing, but if they are, than calling them ignorant is justified.Muslims are not saying Islam abolished slavery (just like all religions) neither they encourage slavery. Islam was generated in a time when slavery was spread and practiced by every civilizations (Romans and Persians) around the Arabian peninsula. CONT
@Mattyb88ful so Islam did not abolish slavery but ENCOURAGED Muslims to free the slaves if they can. The Arabs enslaved the Turks, Persians, Berbers (they became Muslims), and Spaniards. was that action justifiable at that time? yes it was because that is civilization building is all about. Romans did not built their civilization by creating robots!!
nor the European settlers in the Americas.Now, Arabs don't have slaves and their book does not encourage or forbid slavery. CONT
@Mattyb88ful Another thing are the laws, counties of majority Muslim populations have laws against slavery.
even Saudi Arabia and Iran do! they signed the U.N resolution regarding slavery ( resolution 57/195). and the fact that you will bring up an issue that does not exist anymore prove that you are a "rated, fucktard, and thick"!
@Mattyb88ful What does slavery have to do with anything now? slavery is the only problem Muslim are facing to discuss? what does "denounce" mean? The U.S had slaves but refuse to pay their descendants back for it. what did the "denounce" do to them? The French refuse to apologize for the colonization of Algeria! bottom line, who the fuck are you to hold the higher moral ground?
@Mattyb88ful and No Christain would ever say THE SCRIPTURE oppose slavery. he would say "it was a different time". Muslims do not have to reject anything in their book. you sure you are an atheist?
""and No Christain would ever say THE SCRIPTURE oppose slavery.""
-- I have never met a single Christian who thinks slavery is permitted in Christianity. Do you know of Christian leaders who think slavery is permitted in Christianity?
""Muslims do not have to reject anything in their book.""
-- Which is the problem. That's why they reject well established scientific explanations like evolution, why they can't denounce slavery and et cetera.
@Mattyb88ful ." I have never come across a Christian who thinks slavery is permitted in Christianity. Have you?" if they don't know their own religion that does not make it peaceful and loving. they are just stupid enough to follow something they don't know about... do you want me to provide verses from the bible regarding slavery?
and you respond me very quickly, are you reading what i'm saying or you are fill the comment section?
@Mattyb88ful and what is your point? Muslims don't have slaves nor encourages slavery (even the Quran does not encourage it, and again encouraging is different than permitting) . why attacking them for something they are not practsiing? is there any Jew saying the Torah does not allow slavery?
@Mattyb88ful "Yeah may not practice it but they don't denounce it, either." haha!
again you thick bastard, no muslim would say the Quran abolished slavery but they denounce the concept in out current time. if a christian say the bible does not allow slavery, he is just an ignorant. again, are you sure you are an atheist?
@Mattyb88ful "Yeah, of course. You, clearly, have the final say on the interpretation of the Bible, right? What a joke. " and then you ask me why i call you a retard? saying slavery is wrong is different than saying my religion does not allow it.
i won't say any more... 4-3 pages spent on "give me evidence that Muslims denounce slavery?" what does that even mean?
""saying slavery is wrong is different than saying my religion does not allow it.""
-- A person who thinks that slavery is wrong yet subscribes to a religion that permits it is a hypocrite. If Muslims believe that slavery is wrong yet still belong to a religion which endorses it then they are hypocrites. Christians are not hypocrites because they do not believe their religion permits slavery.
@Mattyb88ful "A person who thinks that slavery is wrong yet subscribes to a religion that permits it is a hypocrite." you are so stupid you don't even realize when you are agreeing with me! that is what Christians are doing. at least muslims are brave enough to say yes our religion does not forbid slavery nor encourage it!if westerners have so much guilt regarding their own past, that is your problem.my ancestors (the Arabs) enslaved people because they had to. was either enslave or be enslaved
-- No, it's not. That's what Muslims are doing. Christians do not believe their religion permits slavery. You may think that they are misinterpreting their religion but that's just your opinion. The hypocrites here are Muslims who, according to you, do not agree with slavery, yet belong a religion which endorses it.
""my ancestors (the Arabs) enslaved people because they had to.""
@Mattyb88ful okay, i made my stance very clear and you obviously just rumbling. just saying "NO" without backing it up with verses or historical incident just does not change anything nor refute my argument. you are not an atheist, you are a christian. your logic and responses resemble them a lot. why don't you just go play with your poop and shut the fuck up....shit!
""does not change anything nor refute my argument.""
-- That's rich. You don't have any arguments. You have just resorted to throwing insults, made racist comments about white people and, in particular, the English, shielding Islam from criticism by pointing the finger at others as if two wrongs make a right, and displayed huge arrogance acting as though you have some sort of monopoly on the interpretation of Christianity.
@Mattyb88ful i'll respond to one thing and that is me being a racist, if comparing your history (English history) to mine is racism, than fine i'm a racist. but i'm not racist against "white", i'm Syrian my friend :)
""if comparing your history... to mine is racism""
-- It's not just that you were comparing 'your' history with 'my' history. You were making comments about the nature of white people, about how, e.g., they have a short memory.
""i'm... ""
-- That's a bit of a coincidence. I am Syrian, as well. Anyway, there's no point in continuing this discussion. My only suggestion for you is that you is please do not use the two wrongs make a right tactic when arguing with others.
@Mattyb88ful " and how is that wrong? you are telling me That you had slaves, yeah so what? everybody did. I never said two wrongs make it right. but the reason i took the approach simply to tell you ,who the fuck are you hold the high moral ground? slavery is bad and disgusting. But that is human history . the same apologies you provided for Judaism and Christianity applies on islam too. you did not respond to me regarding the Jewish question. so shove your advice up your ass..
-- Yes, you did. You excuse Islam by pointing the finger at Christianity.
""hold the high moral?""
-- I am not the one subscribing to a religion which endorses slavery.
""same apologies you provided for..""
What apologies? I just pointed out that modern Christians don't believe their religion permits slavery. Muslims, however, don't denounce slavery. They might not have slaves now but they do not say that slavery is not acceptable in Islam.
@Mattyb88ful so let me get this straight, if i said slavery is not in islam, problem solved?
so if i lied about the islamic history, you wouldn't have a problem with that? i want to understand your logic but i'm glad you are admitting that no muslim have slaves and this topic is so irrelevant to our time...
""so let me get this straight, if i said slavery is not in islam, problem solved?""
-- Yes.
""i'm glad you are admitting that no muslim have slaves and this topic is so irrelevant to our time...""
-- I never claimed Muslims had slaves now. And, I'm sorry, but it's still relevant to our time. People's views are relevant. If you think slavery is OK but you're not practising slavery at the moment, that's still worrying.
@Mattyb88ful Are you serious there is plenty of that. Not even in Al Qaida tries implement slavery. The bible permits and encourages (in the sense that a slave must/swhoudl obey his master) slavery . And yes the Christians like the KKK and other (religious) racists belivie that their Christian faith allow slavery.
-- It's in the Quran. Muhammad captured, owned, bought and sold slaves. He didn't ban slavery and neither is it banned in the Quran.
""And yes the Christians like the KKK and other (religious) racists belivie that their Christian faith allow slavery.""
-- Do the Catholics think slavery is permitted? Do the Lutherans? Do the Quakers? Do the Episcopalians? Do the Methodists?Do the Baptists? No. And, these are almost all the Christians in the world.
@Mattyb88ful Right, which is why slavery was perfectly legal and even encouraged with the Bible in Christian America up until 1865.. You also forgot to mention how no Muslim country today allows slavery and how Muhammad(saw) and his companions freed over 39,000 slaves.
@Mattyb88ful Slavery is also permitted in Judaism and Christianity according to the Bible. Yet no country today permits it, and that is the point you fail to understand.
@Mattyb88ful you are Syrian and your name is Matt? defending English people history? right, i'm Syrian too and my last is smith.!
and if you are really Syrian, than you must be from a christian background..i don't know what happened to us Syria was not always like that. oh well, allah m3ak 5aye
""you are Syrian and your name is Matt? defending English people history? right, i'm Syrian too and my last is smith.!""
-- Mattyb88ful is my YouTube username. Also, I'm not defending 'English people history'. That you think I have been defending it shows how stupid you are. Everything I say just flew over your head.
""and if you are really Syrian, than you must be from a christian background""
-- Nope, I am not from a Christian background. My parents were Muslim.
@Mattyb88ful " My parents were Muslim".. but you defend Christianity more than ex Christians themselves. listen, i'm an agnostic , im not exactly the most devout so as (Assad abu khlail), but as an Arab, i'm no blind to the bullshit against my people. i don't care if you are atheist , but don't change your skin like that...have some dignity and stand by your people!
@Mattyb88ful haha! why are responding to me on personal things?
u said:"modern Christians don't believe their religion permits slavery." so if i lied and said islam does not permit slavery, you would not have a problem with that? your entire argument is what people should say?
and i'm standing up for what is right, which refuting lies about muslms. i never argue with anyone who attack islam as being not "sciencey" because it is true islam does not contain science!
Of course. What matters is how people think today, not what is written in some old book. Christians believe their religion rejects slavery. Now, that might look like a misinterpretation of their religion, but that's irrelevant. They have changed their interpretation. In Islam, however, they do not accept that their religion opposes slavery, so they are pro-slavery in the sense that they belong to a religion which endorses slavery.
@Mattyb88ful " so they are pro-slavery". No! that is so stupid it is not even funny. it is called being honest with yourself and think about the matter rationally. If muslims are "pro slavery" why don't they have slaves now?
and no it is relevant, they are delusional and lairs. Muslims like Jews realize that their religions have a NEUTRAL stance (not endorsement)
but they obey current time laws, and that's what matter. not how people lie about their religion!
No, it's hypocrisy - belonging to a religion which endorses slavery but then claiming to disagree with slavery. Trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
@Mattyb88ful the liars i meant in my previous post are the Christians! i'm sorry man, that was the stupidest defense i have ever read in my life. the goodness of a religion is measured by how its followers lie about it!
HAHAHAHAHA! you are a shame to Syria bro... i love Syrian Christians but you give them bad name!
they should do their homework before opening their mouths! "What matters is how people think today, not what is written in some old book. Christians believe their religion rejects slavery."
what matters is if people obey this century standards.....wasted 3 hours on a dumb ass like you!
@Mattyb88ful it is not a commandment in islam to enslave others. and most importantly, slavery was abolished and no Muslims is advocating for slavery or have any slaves. the old testament is full of verses regarding slavery and women captives, why i don't hear anyone criticize Judaism for that? what is your apology for the Jews? and why that apology cannot be applied on Muslims? unless if you are looking for anything to reinforce your prejudice and dehumanization of others?
@Mattyb88ful and one more thing you English fuck, Islam does not have a priesthood. (pope or a priest). an "Imam" is anyone who lead muslim in their daily prayer. he is not a person of authority like the pope. so if you are waiting for an apology for slavery that is not going to happen. individuals oppose it and don't have to apologize to YOU westerners for slavery! asking a Muslim (even though the majority are not even Arabs) is like asking a Jew to apologize for the wars of Moses!
@Mattyb88ful "it's oppressive and barbaric. It, for example, condones slavery". And Christians don't? ever heard of the European slaver in sub Saharan Africa? why the hell is there black people in the U.S? they are not exactly immigrant. ever heard of the dutch colony in south Africa? how barbaric and disgusting it was? you Europeans (or those of European defendant) have an extremely short memory and a tendency to dehumanize others and forget how ugly your history is
-- No, they don't. Well, at least not any longer. Most Christians do not interpret the Bible literally, and so slavery is almost universally rejected. Secondly, you need to realise that two wrongs do not make a right. You can't keep shielding Islam from criticism by pointing the finger at other religions.
@Mattyb88ful do you consider that an answer? seriously? i'm not shielding behind Christianity , Because slavery exited throughout human history and no muslims just like the rest of the people on the planet have slaves. read my previous comment again. instead if answering by :yes" and "No" and "everybody knows it". that is just childish and proves that all of you so called "atheists" are nothing but charlatans. you are the one who is defending Christianity and that is why i compare it to islam!
@Mattyb88ful " When have I defended Christianity?" - "NO Most Christians do not interpret the Bible literally, and so slavery is almost universally rejected". did or did they not (European Christians) have slaves? Muslims did and no fucking muslim Just like the Europeans have slaves now. how thick can you be not to understand this? why attacking islam for slavery and ignoring the O.T while Muslims just like the rest of the world have abandon slavery? is not that prejudice?
-- That's just stating a fact. The Catholic Church, for example, which account for the majority of Christians in the world, do not interpret a lot of the Old Testament literally.
""did or did they not (European Christians) have slaves?""
-- Yes, and it was often justified on the basis of the Bible. Now, however, most Christians reject those sections of the Bible. Tell me, which part of the Quran do Muslims reject?
@Mattyb88ful The same apology you provided for Christians can be applied on Muslims. Christians DO NOT REJECT sections in the bible. they have different Interpretations considering the time difference. and that is exactly what Muslims are doing. No Muslim is calling for slavery. (the mainstream ones) . no devout christian reject anything in the bible. that is just utter nonsense
""no devout christian reject anything in the bible. that is just utter nonsense""
-- Yes, they do, actually. Christians believe that with the coming of Jesus the laws of the Old Testament are no longer relevant. That's why eating pork is OK, why circumcision is not necessary and et cetera.
""no devout christian reject anything in the bible. that is just utter nonsense""
-- Yes, they do, actually. Most Christians reject most of the Old Testament. That's why, for example, pork is eaten, circumcision is not necessary and et cetera. Christians reject those parts of the Bible.
@Mattyb88ful another thing regarding slavery, slavery was not created by Muslims. it exited throughout human history. how do you think the Romans built their empire? Islam did not forbid people from having Slaves because they are important for every civilization but encourage Muslims to free slaves if they can. 90:1-12:"And what will make you know the path that is steep?" 90:1-13:"(It is) Freeing a neck (slave). Al-ballad Surra!! and most importantly, how many Muslims own slaves now?
It's ignorant because it claims that the Quran is the word of god, for which there is absolutely no evidence. And, when, for example, Muslims face a conflict between a literal interpretation of the Quran and well established scientific explanations like evolution, they opt for the Quran.
Also, it's immoral because, well, it's oppressive and barbaric. It, for example, condones slavery; it maintains patriarchal gender roles, to the detriment of women;
Does everyone have to learn Arabic to find out what the hell is going on? Somehow we can find out what goes on in the rest of the world without knowing every single language in the world.
only book memorized by millions and a letter hasn't been changed for over 1400 years and if we are to throw quran, bible, torah and other rubbish books only quran would be the only book back to its original form because millions know it by heart. and that's a challenge
@bxccapricorn Then what you have done is turn your "holy quran" into nothing more than an icon. You have made it stagnant - like a clay idol. As Jesus said, "the law was made for man, man was not made for the law". Memorizing is irrelevant. Understanding is. There are perhaps millions on the brink of death in Sudan, but the Islamic world does nothing for them. Perhaps Muslims should stop memorizing a book, and create something other than dysfunctional societies so typical in the Islamic world.
@bxccapricorn LMAO - no, you just didn't understand. But if you've doing nothing more than "memorizing" the quran, how could you understand? So, please tell me once again, exactly what are you muslims doing for starving people so near the heart of the muslim world ?? Nothing ?? I didn't think so.
@bxccapricorn LMAO - no, you just didn't understand. But if you've doing nothing more than memorizing the quran, how could you understand? So, please tell me once again, exactly what are you muslims doing for starving people so near the heart of the muslim world ?? Nothing ?? I didn't think so.
@dsindc well,turkey tried to help the starving people of Gaza, look at the U.S and Israeli reaction. so if you think Muslims are doing nothing beside memorizing the Quran (which they don't actually). i think the "christian" world is good at nothing but dehumanizing others and shed fake tears whenever they smell oil. when their greed gets out proportion and the capacity of reason. but i'll give u this, most Muslims on YouTube are ultra religious, rational answers aren't expected.
@dsindc ok atleast u win the argument but uknow islam is the truth u may use watever excuse you want to make ur self happy but u will find out when your soul is pulled out of ur body n ur soul is in ur throat. im just passing the message of truth u do some research and you will find out ur being deprived of the truth n i am sure all you know bout islam is negative n i wonder y
and how dare this woman even try to represent Islam or say she is a Muslim. She is not a Muslim, because she openly admits she's a Lesbian. You might as well say your a Muslim who believes in atheism. Its so illogical and stupid. She wears the Muslim label so she has more weight to try and change and corrupt Islam and tell it what to be, because her arguments wouldn't sell well if coming from a kaffir (infidel). How dare her wear the label of Muslim to try and tell Islam what it should be
rutgurt83 1 week ago
This woman is stupid. All the things they say are "wrong" with Islam are simply the unique aspects of Islam. They say its "wrong" because its different than the other religions. In other words, its wrong because its not being the same as the other religions, and they want to make Islam integrated and something that is the same. Islam came as something strange, something withdrawn. We will never integrate. There's nothing to fix. These people make me sick
rutgurt83 1 week ago
get out of America fucken arab (abu......). Offensive.. my ass. I piss on your violent islam. Go back to your dessert and suck mohammed's dick.....
TheRajibmondal 2 weeks ago
Why is she reffering to we muslim she is not a muslim
ProducDumaroc 3 weeks ago
@ProducDumaroc Dear Alah thank you for pointing that out . lol idiot.
callabhisheksinha 2 weeks ago
I barely met this lady on another video that she is on but she won this round, yes tv programs that make fun of God or any religion are very offensive but thats the world for you. Let it go its not the end of the world. I feel sorry for people that do that.
magnum02jr 4 weeks ago
Watch Simpsons (and the like) they take the piss out off Christians, Jews and Hindus...you don't see any people from those faiths threatining to kill anyone!! Why?? Because they know that its a JOKE!! I love taking the piss out of religions, because there are some idiots out there that take faith a little to far and start crying over a cartoon....a cartoon like Ben 10 or Peppa Pig... GET A GRIP ON YOURSELVES YOU RETARDS!!!
MrTDog1982 1 month ago
stop saying we muslims.. you'r not a muslim ..
ipekicevo 1 month ago
@ipekicevo She's Muslim.
MissAPierce 4 weeks ago
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ipekicevo 1 month ago
why does islam count a woman as half a person?
classicvox 1 month ago
for the record all major religions have accepted their errors, except islam.
classicvox 1 month ago
As'ad AbuKhalil is the attention whore.
But when someone finally lets him on TV, he always embarrasses himself, and never gets invited back.
Just another loser with a blog.
SocialDemocrat1789 1 month ago
I wish she would stop saying "we muslims". That offends me more than some cartoon.
redbullion01 1 month ago
@redbullion01 Why is that offensive? She's a servant of Allah and accepts Muhammed as his prophet.
MissAPierce 4 weeks ago
@MissAPierce If you are Muslim and believe in the Qu'ran and Sunnah, then I invite you to look up her political and Islamic views. In essence, she is a turncoat and an Uncle Tom. She seeks to change Islam by lambasting it on the world stage. As a propagandist, she has no sympathy for the Muslims living abroad who are continually oppressed by US foreign policy. If that is the type of Islam you would live to live, then you are free to pray behind her.
redbullion01 4 weeks ago
@redbullion01 She does not say Islam is bad. She says only that the good in it has been covered up by greedy men, and that true Islam does not seek to kill and dominate. What is wrong with that?
MissAPierce 4 weeks ago
@MissAPierce Answer me this please. How does a Christian proselytize Christianity by attacking Christians? How does a Constitutional lawyer abide by the Constitution by arguing for an entirely new one?
The notion that she is some type of Islamic scholar is farcical and absurd. She is not what you believe her to be.
redbullion01 4 weeks ago
@redbullion01 Martin Luther was a Christian who attacked the corrupt Catholic church in all its greed, by saying a ticket to heaven could not be bought. He proselytized Christianity that way, and it worked. And the Constitution does not claim divinity, so it deliberately opens to interpretation.
I have answered your questions, but you have not answered mine. What is wrong with Irshad saying that Islam is not about killing and domination? Her sources aren't bad. I've looked.
MissAPierce 4 weeks ago
@MissAPierce Your point on Martin Luther is hardly a fair one. I would not for a minute put her in the same league or give her the same amount of credibility as he deserves. As to your questions, you grossly over-simplify her stance on Islam. In fact, the question itself is suspect. I'm starting to think you haven't taken my advice and researched her positions.
redbullion01 4 weeks ago
@MissAPierce Here's something I just noticed from the video description: Alan Dershowitz praised her book on Islam. I suspect you might not know who Dershowitz or Finkelstein are. If that is the case, you absolutely need to research these two figures. These two political opposites make her look like an intellectual midget.
redbullion01 4 weeks ago
@redbullion01 I have not read their work but am familiar enough with their premises to know what you mean. I don't see how they have any bearing on Irshad, however. She stand on her own and cites her work from scripture.
MissAPierce 4 weeks ago
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redbullion01 4 weeks ago
@MissAPierce Read the socialistunity article posted in the video description. Her flagship book is utterly debunked, by an atheist no less. I can't do this for you in the space of a youtube comment. You claim that "she stands on her own". The very point of being a polemical propagandist means you've chosen a side and spout deception. She is essentially used by right-wing bigots use to justify their hate.
redbullion01 4 weeks ago
The west has selective ridiculing Islam?? What is this guy talking about??
Christian and Jews has been mocked and ridicule as far as i can remember.
The guy maybe right about writing condemning the semitism and Christian hatred but ordinary Muslim in the Arab world either support and sympathise with those hatred. Irshad is right, they will be no protest against these hatred and yes Muslim will react violently if Islam is criticised.
As'ad is trying too hard to paint a rosy picture about Islam.
tiaopiak 1 month ago
She's a lesbian dude. Islam forbids lesbianism.
ClownFaceSG 1 month ago
Who the heck is this women? Is she even a muslim? Is she stupid or what? Has she even read the quraan? Sh'es not a true muslim from what i can see
ClownFaceSG 1 month ago
We do not have trouble, with other faiths. As Muslims we are told to read, understand and believe in the true Judaism and Christianity! She is nuts!
break4love23 1 month ago
Thank you for the stimulating debate
gomakuu 1 month ago
Why is she saying "we, muslims"?
XaeeD 1 month ago
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Muslims are not allowed to choose another faith. They would be KILLED!!!!
Islam is peace
My ex-husband wanted me to breastfeed his older brother five times. Check the Fatwa - In Sahih Muslim - the wife of the prophet Breastfeeding Men, so they wanted me to do it!!
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She won the argument
msalafiya1 2 months ago
Irshad is a fool she has no knowledge of any religion she is devious she is a product of Christians and Jews Honestly, I just think that she needs to be fucked. Some girls just need to be fucked so they don't have to think about studying all the time and trust me I ready and willing Irshad, please shut the fuck up no one cares what you think, your so wrong that you have become boring
TheLaig88 2 months ago
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@TheLaig88 Muslims are not allowed to choose another faith. They would be KILLED!!!!
Islam is peace
My ex-husband wanted me to breastfeed his older brother five times. Check the Fatwa - In Sahih Muslim - the wife of the prophet Breastfeeding Men, so they wanted me to do it!!
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you can't polish a turd. you can't "reform" islam.
BillKiernan 2 months ago
Irshad Manji is a pro-Israel defender of American foreign policy who never attacks Jews or Christians and is selectively hateful towards Arabs. Abukhalil is consistent in his dislike of all religions. Manji only bashes Muslims which is why she is a welcome guest on Fox News and he is not.
Consistent atheism demands consistent dislike of all religions.
PhilosopherSY 2 months ago
This Angry Arab (who looks like a down-market Weird Al) is a huge crybaby. She destroyed him.
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If you praise allah, support palestine, hate jews, support sharia..........you are accepted as good muslim by majority muslims.
Islam is fcked up.
mildpace 3 months ago
@mildpace muslims dont hate jews they hate zionists and so should the rest of the world
lace0mafia 2 months ago
@lace0mafia what are zionists?
bellijklh 2 months ago
@mildpace who are you? I bet you get all your information Fox news and MTV! Go read the Quran before you hate!
break4love23 1 month ago
@break4love23
Well, there is ton of information about islam and its stupidity on the net. You probably get your information from others who are as stupid as fox news. lol. I read kuran, and its bull crap. Get your facts right, dont call critics as haters.
mildpace 1 month ago
FINALLY A MUSLIM WOMAN THAT ACTUALLY GET'S IT, SHE COULD START A REVOLUTION! FINGERS CROSSED EHH :D
SEEINGREDISCOMING 3 months ago
Irshad Manji is an attention-whore. She could have worked as a social activist and a feminist rather than posing as a solution-maker for Islam when she knows naught about the religion whatsoever.
TerminalSulcus 3 months ago 2
Is this guy really that dumb? If you live in the west you know all religions are given crap or criticised. He says it’s cool if you mock all religions together only when criticising Islam, but it’s ok to give Christianity crap and Judaism crap on their own. Fuck, I'm just confusing myself. Sorry, I forgot for a second this shit isn't supposed to make sense. Is this the new tactic? Get a pro-Islam atheist in to give some credence to propaganda?
BizaroMustard100 3 months ago
she is wahabi or shia kaffir
azadam1000 3 months ago
@azadam1000 Your no better then her kaffering other muslim brothers. I agree she is a complete kaffur, but you know those Shia'a you hate, there better the about every single sunni you know. YOu are misguided. the prophet said man kaffar muslim fa ho kaffir. We are all brothers. and you cannot say shiaa are kaffar, they are very great muslims.
mohammadbanibaker 3 months ago
She does not understand islam what so ever
whywar1987 3 months ago
@whywar1987 and you do?
ElectricQualia 3 months ago
She is no muslim
whywar1987 3 months ago
So far she's doing very well indeed, and the so-called atheist debating with her can't even admit that mob rule, arson and murder are a shameful behaviour, in no way justified by the fact that someguy somewhere has insulted you. And it was egged on, rather than restrained, by preachers, and political Islamists, which indicates problems with the Islamic world, with the religion-as-it-is-currently-practised.
CBfrmcardiff 3 months ago
@Alkindi90 : Arabs don't have slaves now because of the pressure put on their princes by Western imperialists in the early 20th Century. It took so long to remove because slavery (but not the slave trade) tended to be relatively benign in Arabia - relatively.
Re: the video.
Someone would put this up to DISCREDIT her?
As'ad Abu Khalil is so angry, demanding and self-righteous, that so far my reaction is "thank heavens for her", and "bravo!"
CBfrmcardiff 3 months ago
there is reason homosexuality is forbiddon in Islam Allah allmighty knows all. and sexually transmitted diseases wouldnt be around with out the help of these people. if she is really muslim then she would know god is justice and if homosexuality is a sin then it would be unjust to make people born that way this is why homosexuality is a choice. this lady is moronic. and everyone who agrees with her is ignorant. read the Quran and make your own decision's don't listen to media. salam :)
mariamhmhA 4 months ago
@mariamhmhA Everyone spreads sexually transmitted diseases. Its a human thing not exclusive to homosexuals.
sarahmonki 3 months ago
irshad Manji wants Islam to say;it's okay to be LISBO because she's accepted among the Israeli gay & lisbo in Israel .she meets with right wing Christian
Pat Robinso to speak against Islam but she never asks him what does he think
about her & her life style ???
massimo38 4 months ago 2
An honest Muslim woman, the very first one ive heard. Lady you are doing your faith some real good.
MrPlopqwerty 4 months ago
A brave woman tawfiq, however asad should be in jail not teaching.
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" That's your opinion" haha!
are you sure? "
" A person who thinks that slavery is wrong yet subscribes to a religion that permits it is a hypocrite" do you want verses from the bible regarding slavery?
dude, you are wasting my time your logic is ass backward!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
Only conflict pays off on social networks, and opinion at the best, so if these are our medias and our way to communicate out of abstraction, we should check out what silence brings us after all that noise, if in silence we still avow fueling conflict we loose.
ndodro 4 months ago
I am atheist, and Irshad Manji is an ignorant bitch.
People like her build a career by saying the following (I'm muslim, and so I can confirm to you dear bigoted islamophobe that muslims are all the horrible things you think they are. Because I'm Muslim myself)
She is an opportunistic bitch.
mabutaleb 4 months ago
@mabutaleb
"islamophobe"
There is no such thing. A phobia is an irrational fear. It's perfectly rational to be opposed to Islam.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful No it is not. That is a prejudiced statement. It is the same way of thinking that reasoned "it is ok rational to opposed to black people, or jews". Summing up millions of people by the actions of a few is not rational at all. It is only rational from a racist perspective, which even then is not applicable because Islam is not followed by a particular race.
mabutaleb 4 months ago
@mabutaleb what else did you expect? these idiot read books? they never cite any books or historians rather they copy each other rhetoric . reflecting the thickness they are suffering. they have a technique called "pulling information out of our asses". it is not a new technique but these dummies really perfected it..
Alkindi90 4 months ago
i love how she says "we" while she means only she and other kuffar. she is no muslim
TheRiyad1 4 months ago
@TheRiyad1
I love how you think you get to decide who is and who is not a Muslim.
Delusional dickhead. Shove your immoral and ignorant religion up your arse.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful "Immoral and ignorant" religion?
really? can any religion be called "ignorant"?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
"really?"
Yes, it is immoral and ignorant.
"can any religion be called "ignorant"?""
Well, of course. It's faith.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful That is very smart but during the time i spend arguing with Christards, i couldn't get any rational answer or response, would you enlighten me (the immoral Muslim) how Islam is "ignorant" (the religion itself is ignorant) and immoral? maybe i'm missing something here...
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
It's ignorant because it claims that the Quran is the word of god, for which there is absolutely no evidence. And, when, for example, Muslims face a conflict between a literal interpretation of the Quran and well established scientific explanations like evolution, they opt for the Quran.
Also, it's immoral because, well, it's oppressive and barbaric. It, for example, condones slavery; it maintains patriarchal gender roles, to the detriment of women;
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful All religious people claim their "holy" text books are from a divine god. you are starting a completely different topic which is "does God exist?". Humans throughout history believed that there is a divine being running their lives and its been like these for thousands of years. this is not an attack against Islam, rather it is an attack on the principle of religion itself. But for some reason you are portraying this issue as an Islamic one.. interesting.
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""All religious people claim their "holy" text books are from a divine god.""
-- Yes, and that's why I am against all religion.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful haha now why don't just go and find something more productive to waste your time on? you know read a book or flip burgers in McDonald..
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""haha now why don't just go and find something more productive to waste your time on? you know read a book or flip burgers in McDonald..""
-- Oh, piss off, dimwit. You don't have the intelligence or the arguments to actually counter my points so you resort to petty personal attacks. Oh, and, by the way, just a few tips for the future - refrain from making racist comments, recognise that two wrongs do not make a right, and don't make personal attacks against people.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful i don't have the intelgant to counter your points . such as "everybody knows it".. "No because it just No".. you didn't have a point to counter...
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful and how is it racist to point out incident in European history? the European racist history? because you are arguing with me on historical matters. (slavery in islam). so i have to compare the two histories. that is not racist my friend. And it was the Arabs who had the slaves not all Muslims BTW!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""and how is it racist to point out incident in European history?""
-- This is what you said: "you Europeans (or those of European defendant) have an extremely short memory". Doesn't that sound racist to you? What about, "you Europeans have ... a tendency to dehumanize others"? If I said, "blacks have an extremely short memory", I doubt anyone would say that that's not racist.
""it was the Arabs who had the slaves not all Muslims""
-- Slavery is permitted in Islam.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful "Slavery is permitted in Islam."
Slavery is permitted in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, paganism, and every fucking civilization was built on slaves.
Muslims like the rest of people have no slaves in our current time.
and yes, Europeans have a very short memory when attacking Muslims based on historical incidents while forgetting their owns!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""slavery is permitted in Christianity""
Find me a statement from the Catholic Church or the Anglican church that says slavery is permitted in Christianity.
""and yes, Europeans have a very short memory when attacking Muslims based on historical incidents while forgetting their owns!""
Unlike Muslims, I don't belong to a religion which permits slavery, so you can't use that against me. I am an atheist.
Racsit twat.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful I don't care what Church says i'm obligated by the scripture. and the scripture permit slavery. And the Church WAS permitting slavery.
The Religion itself permit slavery. so does Islam. because every civilization was built on slavery! but Islam encourages Muslims to free salves and i provided a verse for you.
i don't care if you are an atheist, your own people civilization was built on slavery too..
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""The Religion itself permit slavery.""
-- No, it doesn't. At least not any more.
WIkipedia: "Since the Middle Ages, the Christian understanding of slavery has seen dramatic change. Nearly all Christian leaders before the late 17th century regarded slavery as consistent with Christian theology.... Today, nearly all Christians are united in the condemnation of modern slavery as wrong and contrary to God's will."
Christian theology has changed. Has Islamic theology?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful " No, it doesn't. At least not any more." and you call yourself an atheist? and wikipedia is where you are getting your information from? didn't i say you are a charlatan? The fucking christian scripture does not oppose slavery. the church modifying that is a whole different matter. Islam does not have a priesthood. Muslims just like the rest of the word reject slavery because it is a different time.
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""and wikipedia is where you are getting your information from?""
-- At least I am providing some form of evidence for my comments. You have provided nothing in support of your claims. Oh, and, by the way, according to a Pew Research Center study carried out last year, the majority of Muslims in Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan and Nigeria think those who leave Islam should be killed. What do you have to say about that?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful oh have i? what did i say exactly and did not provide evidence for? Wikipedia you dumbass is a reliable source! we learn that in writing 1010!!!!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""christian scripture does not oppose slavery.""
-- The interpretation of scripture has changed and that's what matters.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
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@Mattyb88ful "The interpretation of scripture has changed and that's what matters."
YES YOU FUCK and that is what i have been saying for an hour
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful you see? this is exactly what Assad is talking about. Choosing one religion to attack and leaving others. YOU (Americans) attacking Muslims because they had slaves? i don't know if i should laugh or cry...
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""YOU (Americans) attacking Muslims because they had slaves?""
-- Not because they had slaves but because they do not reject slavery.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful oh god! yes you fucktard they reject slavery if they don't, they would still have slaves now!
why slavery was abolished among Muslims if they don't reject it?
you realize you are just writing shit without thinking. AGAIN, just like the rest of the world, Muslims had slaves and now they don't!
what part of that is so hard to understand?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90 ]
""yes you fucktard they reject slavery""
-- Your arguments are so weak you have to resort to insults. Pathetic.
Anyway, where is the evidence that Muslims reject slavery? Name me leading scholars and imams who say that the parts of the Quran where slavery is permitted are not acceptable any more and that slavery is completely wrong without exception.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful tell me one christian leader REJECT section in the bible? again, they don't reject they explain differently. name one christian REJECT part of the bible. the same thing applies for muslims. they do not have to REJECT the Quran, but threy do understand that it is a different time and slavery is not acceptable any more.you are going to respond and say "but the quran permit slavery"! again! that is why i'm calling you a fucktard. because you are thick as fuck!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""slavery is not acceptable any more.""
-- Where is the evidence that Muslims beleive that slavery is no longer acceptable? Name me a scholar or an Imam who says that slavery is no longer acceptable in Islam.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
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@Mattyb88ful "Where is the evidence that Muslims beleive that slavery is no longer acceptable? " No Muslims have slaves anymore. if they still believe in slavery, they would still have it.
"Name me a scholar or an Imam who says that slavery is no longer acceptable in Islam." name one christian scholar say the scripture does not allow slavery? THE SCRIPTURE NOT HIS OWN OPINION!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""tell me one christian leader REJECT section in the bible?""
-- You YOURSELF just a moment ago said you don't care about the Church modifying the Bible. So, you think that they are rejecting sections of the Bible. Yet, now, you're asking me to provide examples of Christian leaders who reject sections in the Bible. Clearly, you have a very short memory. The dictionary defines 'modification' as: 'To change in form or character; alter."
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful "You YOURSELF just a moment ago said you don't care about the Church modifying the Bible"
responding to your atheistic apology for Christianity. i said, they have different interpretation considering the time difference. they never reject the bible. there is a huge different between rejecting and interpretation. you aksed me name one Muslim who say slavery is not permitted in islam? no one because it is idiotic to say it was not. but i said the Quran encourage freeing slaves.
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""you aksed me name one Muslim who say slavery is not permitted in islam? no one because it is idiotic to say it was not.""
-- Well, that's a shame because you will have no difficulty finding Christians who would argue that slavery is rejected in Christianity. You might say that these people are not following their scripture properly but that's irrelevant. The point is that, for one reason or another, they have changed their views on the matter.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful okay, you are a retard. it is relevant, because you are attacking the faith (islam) not the people.right? because Muslims do not have slaves. so when you attack the faith itself and ignoring the fact that people do not have slaves anymore, the scripture become relevant. but again name one christian say THE BIBLE DOES NOT PERMIT SLAVERY, their opinions are irrelevant. because Muslims reject slavery not saying it is not in the quran
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""you are a retard....thick bastard.... you are thick as fuck... fucktard""
-- You're so pathetic. You can't dispute my arguments so you resort to insults.
""so when you attack the faith itself and ignoring the fact that people do not have slaves anymore, the scripture become relevant.""
-- Yes, scripture is relevant, and modern Christian interpretation of scripture concludes that slavery is not acceptable in Christianity.
""because Muslims reject slavery"""
-- Evidence?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful yes you are a thick bastard, fucktard and a retard. these are facts. you are not reading what i'm saying and jumping from one point to another just to fill the comment section.
Evidence that Muslims reject slavery? and the scripture is irrelevant? okay, Muslims had slaves because they are essential to build any civilization. yet, the Quran encourages muslims to free slaves 2:177:"and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, Such are the people of the truth and they are pious.
Alkindi90 4 months ago
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@Alkindi90
""yes you are a thick bastard, fucktard and a retard. these are facts.""
-- How pathetic.
""Evidence that Muslims reject slavery?""
-- Yes, where is the evidence?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful wait before jumping to another point, No Muslims in our current time say that he/she wants slaves. there are no slaves. that is by itself indicate that they do not approve slavery in this time because they already believe that freeing the slaves is an Islamic virtue according to the verse i just provided. They do not have to discuss something does not exist any more. and they are not stupid to say their religion forbids them from having slaves, unlike christian dummies!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""and they are not stupid to say their religion forbids them from having slaves""
-- So, they are not against slavery. They do not denounce it. They do not claim their religion is opposed to slavery. I'm glad you have finally admitted it.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful haha! again, saying my religion does not allow slavery while the scripture reveals otherwise is stupid. i don't know if that is what Christians are doing, but if they are, than calling them ignorant is justified.Muslims are not saying Islam abolished slavery (just like all religions) neither they encourage slavery. Islam was generated in a time when slavery was spread and practiced by every civilizations (Romans and Persians) around the Arabian peninsula. CONT
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""saying my religion does not allow slavery while the scripture reveals otherwise is stupid.""
-- That's your opinion. Either way, Christians argue that their religion does not accept slavery.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful so Islam did not abolish slavery but ENCOURAGED Muslims to free the slaves if they can. The Arabs enslaved the Turks, Persians, Berbers (they became Muslims), and Spaniards. was that action justifiable at that time? yes it was because that is civilization building is all about. Romans did not built their civilization by creating robots!!
nor the European settlers in the Americas.Now, Arabs don't have slaves and their book does not encourage or forbid slavery. CONT
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Another thing are the laws, counties of majority Muslim populations have laws against slavery.
even Saudi Arabia and Iran do! they signed the U.N resolution regarding slavery ( resolution 57/195). and the fact that you will bring up an issue that does not exist anymore prove that you are a "rated, fucktard, and thick"!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful What does slavery have to do with anything now? slavery is the only problem Muslim are facing to discuss? what does "denounce" mean? The U.S had slaves but refuse to pay their descendants back for it. what did the "denounce" do to them? The French refuse to apologize for the colonization of Algeria! bottom line, who the fuck are you to hold the higher moral ground?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful and No Christain would ever say THE SCRIPTURE oppose slavery. he would say "it was a different time". Muslims do not have to reject anything in their book. you sure you are an atheist?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""and No Christain would ever say THE SCRIPTURE oppose slavery.""
-- I have never met a single Christian who thinks slavery is permitted in Christianity. Do you know of Christian leaders who think slavery is permitted in Christianity?
""Muslims do not have to reject anything in their book.""
-- Which is the problem. That's why they reject well established scientific explanations like evolution, why they can't denounce slavery and et cetera.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""No Christain would ever say THE SCRIPTURE oppose slavery.""
-- I have never come across a Christian who thinks slavery is permitted in Christianity. Have you?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
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@Mattyb88ful ." I have never come across a Christian who thinks slavery is permitted in Christianity. Have you?" if they don't know their own religion that does not make it peaceful and loving. they are just stupid enough to follow something they don't know about... do you want me to provide verses from the bible regarding slavery?
and you respond me very quickly, are you reading what i'm saying or you are fill the comment section?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful and what is your point? Muslims don't have slaves nor encourages slavery (even the Quran does not encourage it, and again encouraging is different than permitting) . why attacking them for something they are not practsiing? is there any Jew saying the Torah does not allow slavery?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""why attacking them for something they are not practsiing?""
Yeah may not practice it but they don't denounce it, either.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful "Yeah may not practice it but they don't denounce it, either." haha!
again you thick bastard, no muslim would say the Quran abolished slavery but they denounce the concept in out current time. if a christian say the bible does not allow slavery, he is just an ignorant. again, are you sure you are an atheist?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""if a christian say the bible does not allow slavery, he is just an ignorant.""
-- Yeah, of course. You, clearly, have the final say on the interpretation of the Bible, right? What a joke.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful "Yeah, of course. You, clearly, have the final say on the interpretation of the Bible, right? What a joke. " and then you ask me why i call you a retard? saying slavery is wrong is different than saying my religion does not allow it.
i won't say any more... 4-3 pages spent on "give me evidence that Muslims denounce slavery?" what does that even mean?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""saying slavery is wrong is different than saying my religion does not allow it.""
-- A person who thinks that slavery is wrong yet subscribes to a religion that permits it is a hypocrite. If Muslims believe that slavery is wrong yet still belong to a religion which endorses it then they are hypocrites. Christians are not hypocrites because they do not believe their religion permits slavery.
""what does that even mean?""
-- Have you heard of a thing called a dictionary?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful "A person who thinks that slavery is wrong yet subscribes to a religion that permits it is a hypocrite." you are so stupid you don't even realize when you are agreeing with me! that is what Christians are doing. at least muslims are brave enough to say yes our religion does not forbid slavery nor encourage it!if westerners have so much guilt regarding their own past, that is your problem.my ancestors (the Arabs) enslaved people because they had to. was either enslave or be enslaved
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""that is what Christians are doing.""
-- No, it's not. That's what Muslims are doing. Christians do not believe their religion permits slavery. You may think that they are misinterpreting their religion but that's just your opinion. The hypocrites here are Muslims who, according to you, do not agree with slavery, yet belong a religion which endorses it.
""my ancestors (the Arabs) enslaved people because they had to.""
-- Yeah, right.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful okay, i made my stance very clear and you obviously just rumbling. just saying "NO" without backing it up with verses or historical incident just does not change anything nor refute my argument. you are not an atheist, you are a christian. your logic and responses resemble them a lot. why don't you just go play with your poop and shut the fuck up....shit!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""does not change anything nor refute my argument.""
-- That's rich. You don't have any arguments. You have just resorted to throwing insults, made racist comments about white people and, in particular, the English, shielding Islam from criticism by pointing the finger at others as if two wrongs make a right, and displayed huge arrogance acting as though you have some sort of monopoly on the interpretation of Christianity.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful i'll respond to one thing and that is me being a racist, if comparing your history (English history) to mine is racism, than fine i'm a racist. but i'm not racist against "white", i'm Syrian my friend :)
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""if comparing your history... to mine is racism""
-- It's not just that you were comparing 'your' history with 'my' history. You were making comments about the nature of white people, about how, e.g., they have a short memory.
""i'm... ""
-- That's a bit of a coincidence. I am Syrian, as well. Anyway, there's no point in continuing this discussion. My only suggestion for you is that you is please do not use the two wrongs make a right tactic when arguing with others.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful " and how is that wrong? you are telling me That you had slaves, yeah so what? everybody did. I never said two wrongs make it right. but the reason i took the approach simply to tell you ,who the fuck are you hold the high moral ground? slavery is bad and disgusting. But that is human history . the same apologies you provided for Judaism and Christianity applies on islam too. you did not respond to me regarding the Jewish question. so shove your advice up your ass..
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""never said two wrongs...""
-- Yes, you did. You excuse Islam by pointing the finger at Christianity.
""hold the high moral?""
-- I am not the one subscribing to a religion which endorses slavery.
""same apologies you provided for..""
What apologies? I just pointed out that modern Christians don't believe their religion permits slavery. Muslims, however, don't denounce slavery. They might not have slaves now but they do not say that slavery is not acceptable in Islam.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful so let me get this straight, if i said slavery is not in islam, problem solved?
so if i lied about the islamic history, you wouldn't have a problem with that? i want to understand your logic but i'm glad you are admitting that no muslim have slaves and this topic is so irrelevant to our time...
Alkindi90 4 months ago
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@Alkindi90
""so let me get this straight, if i said slavery is not in islam, problem solved?""
-- Yes.
""i'm glad you are admitting that no muslim have slaves and this topic is so irrelevant to our time...""
-- I never claimed Muslims had slaves now. And, I'm sorry, but it's still relevant to our time. People's views are relevant. If you think slavery is OK but you're not practising slavery at the moment, that's still worrying.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Are you serious there is plenty of that. Not even in Al Qaida tries implement slavery. The bible permits and encourages (in the sense that a slave must/swhoudl obey his master) slavery . And yes the Christians like the KKK and other (religious) racists belivie that their Christian faith allow slavery.
Giagantus 3 months ago
@Giagantus
""Not even in Al Qaida...""
-- It's in the Quran. Muhammad captured, owned, bought and sold slaves. He didn't ban slavery and neither is it banned in the Quran.
""And yes the Christians like the KKK and other (religious) racists belivie that their Christian faith allow slavery.""
-- Do the Catholics think slavery is permitted? Do the Lutherans? Do the Quakers? Do the Episcopalians? Do the Methodists?Do the Baptists? No. And, these are almost all the Christians in the world.
Mattyb88ful 3 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Right, which is why slavery was perfectly legal and even encouraged with the Bible in Christian America up until 1865.. You also forgot to mention how no Muslim country today allows slavery and how Muhammad(saw) and his companions freed over 39,000 slaves.
1manmafia 3 months ago
@1manmafia
""Muhammad(saw) and his companions freed over 39,000 slaves.""
Muhammad never banned slavery. He banned a lot of other things. He could have banned it. He didn't. Slavery is permitted in Islam.
Mattyb88ful 3 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Slavery is also permitted in Judaism and Christianity according to the Bible. Yet no country today permits it, and that is the point you fail to understand.
1manmafia 3 months ago
@Mattyb88ful you are Syrian and your name is Matt? defending English people history? right, i'm Syrian too and my last is smith.!
and if you are really Syrian, than you must be from a christian background..i don't know what happened to us Syria was not always like that. oh well, allah m3ak 5aye
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""you are Syrian and your name is Matt? defending English people history? right, i'm Syrian too and my last is smith.!""
-- Mattyb88ful is my YouTube username. Also, I'm not defending 'English people history'. That you think I have been defending it shows how stupid you are. Everything I say just flew over your head.
""and if you are really Syrian, than you must be from a christian background""
-- Nope, I am not from a Christian background. My parents were Muslim.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful " My parents were Muslim".. but you defend Christianity more than ex Christians themselves. listen, i'm an agnostic , im not exactly the most devout so as (Assad abu khlail), but as an Arab, i'm no blind to the bullshit against my people. i don't care if you are atheist , but don't change your skin like that...have some dignity and stand by your people!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""but you defend Christianity""
-- I haven't defended Christianity. Stop making up things.
""have some dignity and stand by your people!""
-- 'My people'? No, thanks. Keep your racism to yourself. Stand up for what's right, not for 'your people'.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful haha! why are responding to me on personal things?
u said:"modern Christians don't believe their religion permits slavery." so if i lied and said islam does not permit slavery, you would not have a problem with that? your entire argument is what people should say?
and i'm standing up for what is right, which refuting lies about muslms. i never argue with anyone who attack islam as being not "sciencey" because it is true islam does not contain science!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
Of course. What matters is how people think today, not what is written in some old book. Christians believe their religion rejects slavery. Now, that might look like a misinterpretation of their religion, but that's irrelevant. They have changed their interpretation. In Islam, however, they do not accept that their religion opposes slavery, so they are pro-slavery in the sense that they belong to a religion which endorses slavery.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful " so they are pro-slavery". No! that is so stupid it is not even funny. it is called being honest with yourself and think about the matter rationally. If muslims are "pro slavery" why don't they have slaves now?
and no it is relevant, they are delusional and lairs. Muslims like Jews realize that their religions have a NEUTRAL stance (not endorsement)
but they obey current time laws, and that's what matter. not how people lie about their religion!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
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@Alkindi90
""it is called being honest with yourself""
No, it's hypocrisy - belonging to a religion which endorses slavery but then claiming to disagree with slavery. Trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful the liars i meant in my previous post are the Christians! i'm sorry man, that was the stupidest defense i have ever read in my life. the goodness of a religion is measured by how its followers lie about it!
HAHAHAHAHA! you are a shame to Syria bro... i love Syrian Christians but you give them bad name!
what kind of philosophy is that?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""the goodness of a religion is measured by how its followers lie about it!""
-- Christians who say that their religion does not permit slavery are not lying. They genuinely believe that.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful not excuse, they are stupid!
they should do their homework before opening their mouths! "What matters is how people think today, not what is written in some old book. Christians believe their religion rejects slavery."
what matters is if people obey this century standards.....wasted 3 hours on a dumb ass like you!
hahahaha
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful it is not a commandment in islam to enslave others. and most importantly, slavery was abolished and no Muslims is advocating for slavery or have any slaves. the old testament is full of verses regarding slavery and women captives, why i don't hear anyone criticize Judaism for that? what is your apology for the Jews? and why that apology cannot be applied on Muslims? unless if you are looking for anything to reinforce your prejudice and dehumanization of others?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful and one more thing you English fuck, Islam does not have a priesthood. (pope or a priest). an "Imam" is anyone who lead muslim in their daily prayer. he is not a person of authority like the pope. so if you are waiting for an apology for slavery that is not going to happen. individuals oppose it and don't have to apologize to YOU westerners for slavery! asking a Muslim (even though the majority are not even Arabs) is like asking a Jew to apologize for the wars of Moses!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful "it's oppressive and barbaric. It, for example, condones slavery". And Christians don't? ever heard of the European slaver in sub Saharan Africa? why the hell is there black people in the U.S? they are not exactly immigrant. ever heard of the dutch colony in south Africa? how barbaric and disgusting it was? you Europeans (or those of European defendant) have an extremely short memory and a tendency to dehumanize others and forget how ugly your history is
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""And Christians don't?""
-- No, they don't. Well, at least not any longer. Most Christians do not interpret the Bible literally, and so slavery is almost universally rejected. Secondly, you need to realise that two wrongs do not make a right. You can't keep shielding Islam from criticism by pointing the finger at other religions.
""how barbaric and disgusting it was?""
-- Yes, no one is denying that.
""you Europeans... ""
-- That was a very racist, ignorant comment.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful do you consider that an answer? seriously? i'm not shielding behind Christianity , Because slavery exited throughout human history and no muslims just like the rest of the people on the planet have slaves. read my previous comment again. instead if answering by :yes" and "No" and "everybody knows it". that is just childish and proves that all of you so called "atheists" are nothing but charlatans. you are the one who is defending Christianity and that is why i compare it to islam!
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""i'm not shielding behind Christianity""
-- Yes, you are. You excuse this and that by saying, 'well, look at Christianity' and so on.
""no muslims just like the rest of the people on the planet have slaves.""
-- Do you reject the bits of the Quran which permit slavery?
""you are the one who is defending Christianity""
-- When have I defended Christianity?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful " When have I defended Christianity?" - "NO Most Christians do not interpret the Bible literally, and so slavery is almost universally rejected". did or did they not (European Christians) have slaves? Muslims did and no fucking muslim Just like the Europeans have slaves now. how thick can you be not to understand this? why attacking islam for slavery and ignoring the O.T while Muslims just like the rest of the world have abandon slavery? is not that prejudice?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""NO Most Christians do not i...""
-- That's just stating a fact. The Catholic Church, for example, which account for the majority of Christians in the world, do not interpret a lot of the Old Testament literally.
""did or did they not (European Christians) have slaves?""
-- Yes, and it was often justified on the basis of the Bible. Now, however, most Christians reject those sections of the Bible. Tell me, which part of the Quran do Muslims reject?
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful The same apology you provided for Christians can be applied on Muslims. Christians DO NOT REJECT sections in the bible. they have different Interpretations considering the time difference. and that is exactly what Muslims are doing. No Muslim is calling for slavery. (the mainstream ones) . no devout christian reject anything in the bible. that is just utter nonsense
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""no devout christian reject anything in the bible. that is just utter nonsense""
-- Yes, they do, actually. Christians believe that with the coming of Jesus the laws of the Old Testament are no longer relevant. That's why eating pork is OK, why circumcision is not necessary and et cetera.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
@Alkindi90
""no devout christian reject anything in the bible. that is just utter nonsense""
-- Yes, they do, actually. Most Christians reject most of the Old Testament. That's why, for example, pork is eaten, circumcision is not necessary and et cetera. Christians reject those parts of the Bible.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
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Alkindi90 4 months ago
@Mattyb88ful another thing regarding slavery, slavery was not created by Muslims. it exited throughout human history. how do you think the Romans built their empire? Islam did not forbid people from having Slaves because they are important for every civilization but encourage Muslims to free slaves if they can. 90:1-12:"And what will make you know the path that is steep?" 90:1-13:"(It is) Freeing a neck (slave). Al-ballad Surra!! and most importantly, how many Muslims own slaves now?
Alkindi90 4 months ago
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@Alkindi90
""slavery was not created by Muslims.""
-- I didn't say they did.
""Islam did not forbid people from having Slaves because they are important for every civilization""
-- In other words, it puts economics before humanity.
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
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@Alkindi90
It's ignorant because it claims that the Quran is the word of god, for which there is absolutely no evidence. And, when, for example, Muslims face a conflict between a literal interpretation of the Quran and well established scientific explanations like evolution, they opt for the Quran.
Also, it's immoral because, well, it's oppressive and barbaric. It, for example, condones slavery; it maintains patriarchal gender roles, to the detriment of women;
Mattyb88ful 4 months ago
Does everyone have to learn Arabic to find out what the hell is going on? Somehow we can find out what goes on in the rest of the world without knowing every single language in the world.
travistia 4 months ago
irshad manji is just a whore for the naziraeli's
brownthunderism 4 months ago
Wow, that guy As'ad AbuKhalil is one offensive A-hole.
MontChevalier 4 months ago
only book memorized by millions and a letter hasn't been changed for over 1400 years and if we are to throw quran, bible, torah and other rubbish books only quran would be the only book back to its original form because millions know it by heart. and that's a challenge
bxccapricorn 5 months ago 2
@bxccapricorn Then what you have done is turn your "holy quran" into nothing more than an icon. You have made it stagnant - like a clay idol. As Jesus said, "the law was made for man, man was not made for the law". Memorizing is irrelevant. Understanding is. There are perhaps millions on the brink of death in Sudan, but the Islamic world does nothing for them. Perhaps Muslims should stop memorizing a book, and create something other than dysfunctional societies so typical in the Islamic world.
dsindc 4 months ago
@dsindc ur comments isn't important regarding my claims
bxccapricorn 4 months ago
@bxccapricorn LMAO - no, you just didn't understand. But if you've doing nothing more than "memorizing" the quran, how could you understand? So, please tell me once again, exactly what are you muslims doing for starving people so near the heart of the muslim world ?? Nothing ?? I didn't think so.
dsindc 4 months ago
@bxccapricorn LMAO - no, you just didn't understand. But if you've doing nothing more than memorizing the quran, how could you understand? So, please tell me once again, exactly what are you muslims doing for starving people so near the heart of the muslim world ?? Nothing ?? I didn't think so.
dsindc 4 months ago
@dsindc well,turkey tried to help the starving people of Gaza, look at the U.S and Israeli reaction. so if you think Muslims are doing nothing beside memorizing the Quran (which they don't actually). i think the "christian" world is good at nothing but dehumanizing others and shed fake tears whenever they smell oil. when their greed gets out proportion and the capacity of reason. but i'll give u this, most Muslims on YouTube are ultra religious, rational answers aren't expected.
Alkindi90 4 months ago
@dsindc ok atleast u win the argument but uknow islam is the truth u may use watever excuse you want to make ur self happy but u will find out when your soul is pulled out of ur body n ur soul is in ur throat. im just passing the message of truth u do some research and you will find out ur being deprived of the truth n i am sure all you know bout islam is negative n i wonder y
bxccapricorn 4 months ago