The problem with this video is the b.s. compliance on the part of the "victim". The scenario in general is b.s. because no one is going to offer their wrist, arm, or shoulder for these "incredible" take-downs. I absolutely love the rolls at the end. This wouldn't work in the real world and the fantasy pretty much ends there. I will say that the workouts in general are great for balance, posture, and coordination.
@qfourr Watching and learning. In bujinkan, the black kimono is desirable, not must-have. That could easily be somebody new to bujinkan, who has only white kimono from, for an example, karate lesson. The state of mind is what is important, not the appearance.
This is not the true kihon happo taught in Bujinkan Budo. The movements showed here are sloppy, and do not show the correct form either. Go and find a belt too and tie it. I hope the students in this dojo understand that they need to find a teacher who can show them the correct kihon happo, else they just waste their time in training.
If you watch carefully, he did actually catch any punches. He actually redirected the opponent,s attention and stole their energy. Ninpo is not about fancy technique, it is about not being there, no matter what pointin the conflict you are at. If youa re aware of the opponent's intent, do not show up at the location. If you are already there, avoid the fight and when the fight cannot be avoided, avoid your opponent's strikes. Do not be there.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Bujinkan is not a samurai school, it is a ninjutsu school, however, it does have samurai style sword teachings. Samurai didn't use have the weaponry or taijutsu we in the bujinkan use, not do samurai schools teach some of our draws or sword techniques either. Bujinkan borrows it's sylabus from all over the place, even some Chinese martial arts too, so while there is some samurai in there, it is not purely a samurai school at heart.
@Blazureokami Actually Bujinkan is an organization, not a school.
And actually most of the Ryu that make up the Bujinkan most of them are from Samurai. Only 3 of them are considered Ninjutsu. Actually Kukishin ryu has ninjutsu within it as well, but it's still a Samurai school. Most of what Bujinkan does is NOT Ninjutsu... As Ninjutsu had very little to do with weaponry and taijutsu. Taijutsu is definitely from Samurai, and the weaponry DEFINITELY from Samurai. There are no specific Ninja weapon
Perhaps the kusarigame was a common weapon of feudal Japan, but the kyoketsu shoge was not common, at least not among the samurai, who would have considered it a dishonourable tool to use.
And by the way, the Bushido, was not shared by the ninja & the ninja were forbidden to act in self defense & therefore had no real code, so were free to act as they saw necessary. So ninja probably masqueraded as samurai, but were emphatically NOT samurai
@owenspence Uh, you obviously have a overly romanticized view of Japanese Samurai. Many Japanese Samurai did not follow Bushido. In fact "Bushido" is a recently developed term. Ninja was a job. Which many Samurai performed. And usually Ninja were Samurai.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Im pretty sure Hatsumi is correct in his titling of it as a ninjutsu organisation, and besides, Ninjas had to learn a lot of samurai stuff anyway, as a means of defending against it, and in case of impersonation
@Blazureokami There aren't any Chinese martial arts that make up the Bujinkan organization.
Although some of the traditional Japanese martial arts within Bujinkan have taken influence from Chinese martial arts(Mostly in the Atemi waza)
But Bujinkan is made up of 9 Koryu schools.
3 of which are considered Ninjutsu. And really it's not the ancient Ninjutsu techniques that get taught much. It's the Taijutsu and other jutsu that follows a ninpo philosophy.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Well there are somethings that bleed into it from China, Ive noticed some wushu and there is deffinatly some stuff from Chinese and Tai Boxing I noticed from my old days in that. Im aware of the 9 schools too. In all fairness though most of the ancient ninja clans and teachings died a while back and isn't there only a handful of the ancient clans still around? I know at least one of the clans (not sure if it was Iga or Koga) was ended last century
Chinese martial arts do have influence on some Traditional Japanese martial arts. Especially when you start getting to arts that have atemi waza. Koka ryu, at the moment of popular belief, died with Fujita Seiko; but I think there is still research going on with Jinichi Kawakami.
@BlackShinobiShozoku That is not actually totally correct. Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu was actually based on teachings of Cho Gyokko, but it was later after the teachings had been systematized by some of his Japanese pupils that the current school was founded as Gyokko Ryu. Cho Gyokko also had great influence in the creation of Koto Ryu Koppojutsu, and that is why these two schools are taught together as part of a complete curriculum.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Yes and no! The essentials of the Art are of Chinese origin, but because the art was systematized later on by the Japanese, it is considered to be a Japanese Koryu Bujutsu with it's roots, or origins in Chinese martial arts. Much the same way that Okinawan Karate owes it's origins to the Chinese.
@BlackShinobiShozoku It contains both elements, and I would not say it is either mostly one or the other. If you train in the Bujinkan you quickly realize that this is not a system that is focused on one particular area of martial training. It has a pretty broad spectrum.
@mageslol In a real fight a lot of grappling goes on. So yes there is a lot of grabbing of shirts, and grabbing like that. The evidence is plain to see in many recorded street fights that end up on youtube. How a lot of them use one hand to grab hold of you and the other hand as a fist to beat you with.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Very true, just depends on who you are fighting I suppose. Most untrained fighters will grab make it easy for this. And I think with the increase of the UFC fanboys a lot of people are starting to train in grappling fighting would make this very useful
You're Uke is horrible, leaves his arms lying out there, goes of balance when you turn and haven't made the slightest attmept to un balance him.
How the hell is Nage suppose to learn anything but a delusion. This is the kind of training you give to two month beginners to let them understand locking principles, after that your Uke should be upping his resistance speed and un-willingness to go down.
Uke needs to resist, strike like he meens it and stop falling over by magic for Nage sake.
what a strange ura gyaku..this is not real kihon happo,but something that looks like it....where are the deep & long kamae as wished by Soke ????at 6:40 is that supposed to be some part of musha dori??
@Nordrian :Do you really want to compare Soke to this guy??Soke has been training over 45 YEARS and uses lots of henkas ,but if one is teaching kihon happo one should teach the basic form and not the henka of it....or doesn´t this person know the basics anymore??
@Nordrian :and omg at 2:26 what a silly weak attack & Ichimonji kamae.....I don´t say that everybody ´s kamae has to be 100 % perfect,but if posting on youtube you represent Soke & Bujinkan,so then you have to give 100%!!!!
god whata joke. He is not doing the jutsu right even in slow motion. His ura is shit completly he needs a lot lower stance.
Also...to be a kihon happo video without? ichiomie, hicho and joumanji ..and kihon happo should be alot more henka to be a real kihon happo not standing still doing basics
Shouldn't he be moving in Shiho rather than just left and right or standing on one point? It's Kihon Happo, it's there to be done like it should be, no variations, that's why it's called Kihon Happo.
@wackattackjack through expirience. There are tons and tons of details that have to be done right. Low stance, not raising, Shiho 4 basic ways, straight spine, hands close to the body etc etc etc
i like bujinkan, but these victims need to stop being flacid cocks, and force the attacker to make it work. yhese videos are sort of showing off. as oppose to raw training.
@wackattackjack its for learning at home position distance and the movements when you have no one to practice with learn power and speed in the dojo. however bujinkan generally has! had its wings clipped because we are not allowed tokill our enemies in society
fair enough for home training but i know that in most dojos this is all they do. i know some of the moves are risky (for both partners) but isnt judo an offshoot of jujitsu like bujinkan? in judo they manage to spar safely and can actually try and TEST themselves. it would be well worth while if bujinkan sparred using its throws and tips. for gods sake in one karate kata i learned there was a move to rip a mans nuts off, how many castrations have there been in organised karate competition?
Looks ok, but why cant he wear the kimmono properly? Gives a very sloppy impression that unnecessarily brings down the total impression of the vid and the bujinkan.
Can you imagine any of this working on someone who is actually tensing their muscles rather than cooperating? I just can't see any way for this to be applied in sparring. The teacher is basically just showing off how brilliant he is at performing counters to moves that he specifies in advance, in slow motion
The techniques are made so that thay are going against the weakest muscles as you can notice. There are sure ways when specific techniques just cannot be applied, however if you got it right (distance, oponent's balance and distraction etc) it's cool.
In this vid, the teacher shows some cool stuff, but it's mostly not kihon happo. Kihon happo is basic, it's a way which you have to go and going off the path is bad for training. It's not like techniques which are adaptable... basics are given.DOT
im sorry i thought you were marvelmeetsmanga, he uploaded the video, but still you prove my point, you did threaten me, and now you dont prove me wrong but insult me, and considering that you appear to be an advocate of choson ninja you have no leg to stand on in this debate, koryu martial artists only please.
oh and i dont 'hate' the bujinkan, im bringing to their attention a flaw which i hope they will correct, i train in the same art, just under a different kan.
Fast or slow its still poor technique that is being taught because the motions used would be innafective in a fight, they are not designed for resisting opponents, surely the video that YOU uploaded of jason chambers, a mediocre mma fighter at best, flattening a 13th dan shihan in unarmed combat proves my point sufficiently, and threats are cheap over youtube, but you continue to prove my point, threats of violence and poor technique, hardly the sign of a real martial artist.
it looks like the instructor is teaching techniques to his students to me, and their balance isnt centred properly if their postures are that relaxed, and if they dont 'learn; from the training why do it? though i agree we cant know exactly what the videos intentions are, but if it is a demo, its not a particularly good one, surely a demo is to show technique at its best rather than its worst?
its too relaxed, no one will learn anything from this, why do you think that so many people see ninpo as a joke? because of these type of inafective exercises
They may already know how to apply things in a more progressive manner. They may already train with resistence. They may not care that they won't "learn" anything from this relaxed training (though their muscles memorize how their balance should be, how to fall, etc). My point is that what they chose to put up a clip of relaxed training. No one knows what their intentions were or what they think of the training. They're just having some fun.
Guys, these people are just demo-ing lightly and doing some relaxed training. They might do the kihon happo with a lot of intensity (as it is supposed to be trained) Not everyone has to train with extreme resistance ALL the F'n time. LOL. Not even BJJ rolls full out ALL the freakin time.
you do have to have some intensity and resistance with your practice otherwise you will never be able to apply technique for real, the guy just falls over for him, and the technique hes showing isnt really that good because if it where hed be using taisabaki rather than his student just falling for him, real skill come in being able to do a technique with intensity without causing injury, and besides a bit of pain is to be expected in a martial art is it not?
Bujinkan Ninjutsu is not a sport? Why is this video listed under sports? It should be under art. A sport is something you can compete in, it has tournaments and stuff. Bujinkan Ninjutsu doesn't.
im not saying he has to do it for real, yeh the opponent would end up in hospital if that happened, no question, im just saying you dont have to be that soft with the techniques, the real skill comes with being able to do techniques with speed and not cause harm to another, im sure he could teach the techniques like that if he wanted, so why not? resistance and a bit of pain is necessary for learning
constructive criticism: the aggressors are going down way to easily, i know these techniques and have graded in these techniques and they dont work without a certain level of intensity, which this guy doesnt seem to have, if its a demo then do one fast to show true case and one slow, but this is just teaching poor technique, they wont work if done to the degree demo'd in the video, the guy shows pain, but it just wouldnt hurt if done like that, theatrics and poor technique dont help anyone
I agree too. also the defender leaves himself prove to the agressor kicking, or even biting. I train in this art too, and thats always an issue- pin by a certian amount of force and dont let them out until they tap out.
you dont have to show 'intensity' to show proper form in a technique man. For example ude garame... if done in real street self defense is done very violently. however you can still teach the technique, and just know what its being applied properly at a very slow gently manner... much safer to learn that way too.
I don't know how many different versions of the Kihon Happo are existing (i'm in Bujinkan just since 3 or 4 months) but the kihon happo we train are different to the Kihon Happo showed in the video. Are there so much different versions of the Kihon Happo??
maybe thats the problem with the bujinkan...everyone is so worried about henka that they ignore and dont understand kata. one should lead to the other
@kempobrad We do learn kata in the bujinkan, trouble is it's not like we are taught patterns a la Tae kwon do. We learn techniques as principle and adapt to situation.
@Blazureokami well thats the point. so many schools have a different curriculum than any of the others, there's no uniformity. but the point was that you should first understand the kata, and then understand that the henka come from the kata. people are sometimes so worried about putting their own unique spin on things that they can't even do the basic movement correctly. (not pointing fingers at anyone specific)
@kempobrad the same could be said of taekwondo and many martial arts, the western taekwondo is mostly the sport variation (I know Ive studied at several places since I was a child) while in the eastern side of the world, there's more of the heavy damage. Thing is in the Bujinkan, the taijutsu is more ending the fight in as few hits as possible (arm comes near and you break it). We do still learn kata but kihon happo isnt a kata, it's the fundamental strikes, the kata is a seperate topic
@Blazureokami i am aware of that. just making an observation. and i agree the same could be said of any art that uses kata, which is just about all of them really. but it seems with so much freedom to personalize (given to instructors) ..there's no uniformity even in the kata. at least in karate naihanchi is naihanchi with only slight variations which can't be helped.
am sorry but the tech. is not done w/ a true combat approach...the amount of force/speed & aggression is minimal....try adding secondary attacks and increased speed to the drill..other wise this is just a very basic way of learning ...omote guiaku roppo...the punches are way to telegraph..you think a boxer will throw punches in that manner...you have to adapt to the times...other wise you sacrifice the sec. of your students for the sake of tradition....in the street is gonna be brutal..
I don't think it's appropriate for a student to post a video and be like "this is how it's done, this is me representing my school, and my sensei, and his sensei". Unfortunately, even buji's senseis, and their senseis many times suck fat cock and don't know anything...yet have insanely high ranks and call themselves things like "shihan".
fair enough but we're all trying to be better martial artists here and you can give constructive critisim without being rude. I do Kind of agree with you, I practice in the bujinkan and i do think that some of the people get graded too quickly then suffer for it later. A lot of dojos (not just bujinkan) are like school where the teachers only teach you how to pass an exam or to go up a grade, but dont focus on actually helping someone become a better martial artist
Sometimes I will be paired up with someone much weaker then me, and they can't break my balance or my grip.
There are solutions to this, a quick nerve strike, pinch will make my grip open long enough for the weakling to twist me down to the ground.
These techniques are criticized because not often will someone grab you by the collar to initiate a fight, but all the motions involved can be applied to an opponent who throws a punch at you.
You are correct I've been in the bujinkan for years and when I first started I used strenght and that failed me everytime. Continue practicing brother you are on the right path. Thanx for sharing your experinces
I'm amazed at the number of people arguing that wristlocks are ineffective.
At 5'9" I weigh 195lbs with 15% bodyfat, I've done strength training and I started with the bujinkan 5 months ago.
My teachers love me as uke because they effectively demonstrate that strength can be easily overcome with proper body movement.
For the first month or so I put a lot of resistance, and that proved to be much worst for me, and yes, you do get brought to the floor pretty easily, and painfully.
haha youre so right im 15 years old im small i only weight 125 lbs and i can still beat my friends in jujutsu and its very interesting to watch this video because jujutsu is more based on ground fighting and this is more when you stand wich mean i could mix both and all sort of stuff
I've had this done on me before, and this guy is missing some footwork. In addition to the wrist lock that hurts like HELL (believe me I know), theres also a leg sweep to insure that the uke goes down. Its usually not needed; the pain is so intense for me that my legs give out when my teacher does it to me, but in case you mess up, there is a leg sweep as well.
I know what you mean that wrist lock hurts like hell.
One time me and my friend we're laughing during the lesson and the teacher took me said that my punishment would be five wrist locks. I can still feel it ... two years later. The pain was so immense, I'll never forget it
actually yea i study jujitsu and have done and felt kote gaeshi plenty of times, this vid looks mainly like variations on kote gaeshi and kote hineri and they look good just the uke looks like he over exaggerating the intensity for tori (which im probably sure is for the video)
it is alot like aikido btw .. these days no matter how good i am to pickup the techniques i still feel so rookie , its been awhile i have had this experience, i hope it builds on me not brings me down :P it prob wont cause i will just continue practicing till i get it right.
but this particular sensei might have had aikido backgrond since his pins and wrist corntroll are so clear , noramlly i have seen other bujinkan their arm and wrist techniques are more overal and gliding not holding and twisting like in aikido
I once heard an instructor saying that in Aikido, the "universe" is moving around Tori (the one who performs the technique). In Bujinkan, Tori is moving around in the "universe".
When facing a problem - move around it and keep going!
I think someoen missunderstood , In aikido it says your the center of your universe so take responsibility and play a good and important role in it , do not be conflicting, useless ,careless and dangerous .. it means that your a key stone in things arround you you can make a difference, dont be careless.
but i think both bujin philosophy and aikibudo comes from same pnd of water because in aikido you must be humble and gentle and in that sence often must go arround someone elses universe
"the master who only masters others are a limited one , the master who masters himself as well is truelly free , but we cannot master ourselves related only to fighting and defeating we must be able to creating and restoring "- Nima (me)
and i also doubt you can find one with quality trainers nearby too... the main problem is that there are a lot of people who don't know what they are doing!! but i'm lucky in that respect.
One thing I don't get is the jodokas, bjj guys, and jujitsu guys bashing buj. From what I have seen, and from what history books show, as far as hand to hand goes buj has the EXACT same base as Judo, bjj, and Jujitsu. The techniques over lap. The failing of buj that I have heard about is the training METHOD, not the technique (no full resistance sparring like in mma and bjj). It's amusing to hear criticism of such ignorance. Where do you think buj got its technique from? The same place Judo did!
Actually ninjutsu and jujutsu are the parent arts to all modern forms of Japanese martial arts like Karate, Judo and Taekwondo and it was from Japanese Jujutsu that BJJ was developed.
ninjutsu was not parent to anything. karate judo and teakwando all came as following of they say priests and groups of people. These arts heritage is jujutsu not all of them for i nstance teakwando has nothing to do with juijutsu same as karate. NInjutsu was itself an ansestor of shaolin kung fu and juijitsu, however the chinese form is less visible in the final forms of ninjutsu. Karate has clearly other roots , i toculd hav ebeen from some sort of samurai art.
Ninjutsu and Jujutsu contain all aspects found in modern forms of martial arts: The striking in Taekwando and Karate, the rolling and throwing in Judo, the locks and chokes in BJJ, the list goes on. Modern forms came from these two and these two came from chinese forms.
aur0rah, traditional jujutsu predates 'ninjutsu' and 'ninjutsu' is full of jujutsu, all over it, probably one of the most fundamental aspects of ninpo taijutsu.
ninjutsu wasnt an ancestor of shaolin kung fu, shaolin kung fu predates it.
youve got your history wrong.
as far as 'some sort of samurai art' koryu were mostly samurai style, including some koryu in ninjutsu organizations.
i ment ninjutsu was after kung fu , however i still do not think it comes entirely from kung fu. Alot of the gymnastics and wepons do come from chinese kung fu, however the fighting style and stances kamae are typically from sword fight and distance combat. Jpanese martial arts are very special in the ways of how they focus on stability , moving as a whole and having firm stability while on other fighting systems its not
the gymanstics comment is pure speculation. as far as the basic ninja weapons - katana, kusari fundo/gama, kyoketsu shoge, shuko, shuriken, all japanese weapons. you wont see them in chinese fighting - and whens the last time you heard of a ninja fighting with butterfly blades. basically proving your chinese weapons theory is pure speculation also.
the fighting style and kamae ARE typically from distance combat and sword fighting, which at that time were the koryu, which is what i said....
I have red several types of info about origins of the ninja, basically still come from farming wepons and alot of wepons included in ninja weponary are the same as in kungfu like nunchucks , kamas i am not sure, that swinging chain blade, alot alot
the story i have red and makes sence to me is that chinese had to develope a way to protect themselves , they already did know kung fu or received teaching of it, later on it became more japanese and it was told that the oni had brought them the nin.
Also not ot mention the many relations both movie and games to chinese ninja, it is all not coincidence. Bruce lee also said that kung fu was the faterh of jujutsu, however even this i am not so sure but i learned through different articles before that it infact was brogh down with the chinese settelers and then developing into japanese style ninjutsu against the samurai Katana. it was a peasants resort to change the tides in japan, therefore it had so much espionage.
Note that the Kihon Happo is not taken from any of the three forms of Ninpo that are contained within the Bujinkan, but rather come from Gyoku Ryu Koshijutsu, and so there is no Ninjustu to be seen here.
Koshijutsu has its roots in China and reputedly came to Japan with Chou Gyoku around 900AD. Some say that it then influenced Gyokushin Ryu Ninpo, but seing as this has never been taught in the Bujinkan it is hard to know.
ninjanerd, taekwondo is korean. rule that out. judo and karete didnt come from 'ninjutsu' persay, but they did come from japanese koryu, thats true, just because the koryu were there first, and were modified over time to become more sportlike styles like karate and judo.
BJJ was from japanese jiu jitsu but mostly from judo.
you don't have to try and give me vocabulary lessons, i wouldn't use a word unless i knew what it meant. koryu is singular and plural in the same form - i said koryu meant in the plural sense to say that ninjas came from many different old lineages, as opposed to trying to say they came from ONE direct source. they came from multiple samurai and ninja koryu, and the ninja ones were based off the samurai ones initially
Ura gyaku used in the clip is from takagi yoshin and not part of the traditional kihon happo. It's also supposed to be (as with most of takagi yoshin) designed for close-up encounters, not the extended distance you use it in here. and where is omote gyaku ski?
There was only one soke - i.e 'last ninja' before Hatsumi ... I am sure the title will be passed on. If not, there are many people who in time could take his place. =]
i liked this video just because the body will move to prevent pain so a lot of these techniques will work so u both have arguable points in ur styles because it is one thing to put this in real time but if one is seasoned in a style then he will not be easily beaten does anyone have any other styles that i can look at plz reply.
for all of you that think Bujinkan isn t pratciced realistic.We start at a slow speed but we increase it and do realisticly.Tell me in sports like karate,judo so on..(i am a judoka to), do tehy show the tehnic at super speed. no they don t because the student need to learn.
actually im on the way to becoming a sports coach. i have just finished my cert 3 in sports coaching (in martial arts0. also i have competed in many tornaments when i was younger. they where Kyokushin Karate medium contact. i have several black belts before bujinkan, and many bujinkan students hold black belts in other styles. funny thing is how bujnikan people and others arent resorting to swearing or insulting others here. slapupchrist are you american.
ha. at the end there is a shrine. i have the exact same shrine. bought it at a hardware store in kita-koshigaya.
look at ura gyaku, as he covers the hand and ura shuto to the neck it really gentle to show the technic and not hurt the uke. in reality that would be a solid strike to the neck. as i have originaly a karate & ju jutsu background i can understand why some people might think that these technics are soft, but they do work in a fight. remember this isnt a sport either.
They don't teach like sports coaches because this isn't really a sport, it's a self defense science like Krav Maga and is thus reality based. This art is about gaining the upper hand and manipulating the opponent which can only be done through a lot of practise and starting off slow. Either you guys have never tried it or you've had some bad experiences with it. I hope you will find the ability to channel your energies towards something positive so you might actually get somewhere in life.
Having been taught Buj in this way myself (after training in several other styles) I can say this: they're diving because it really damn hurts. Your knees decide your brain isn't reacting fast enough and unlock for you. Even in slow training, locks are put on to the point of pain and they genuinely work. When the techniques are done with real speed and momentum it takes control not to cause damage, and that isn't there initially. But I can assure you, every single one of these works at speed! :)
What is being shown here is basics. This specific MA cannot be taught in a sports manner because of how it was derived from ancient fighting arts, invested with warrior traditions. Even though you can isolate specific techniques and drill them in sports manner it would be dangerous because of the "boxed" mentality that would be developed about said techniques. Also, I find it hilarious that someone would make a user name dedicated to Buuj bashing. Little pathetic don't you think?
I can't say I know a lot about Bujinkan, however from the little bit I have seen and practiced, the "flopping around" or "taking a dive" as you see people do in these videos are actually protective of the uke. If the uke just stands there and let's the instructor or otherwise fully twist the wrist it will cause immense pain. I've seen one student try to resist flopping and you could hear his wrist audibly pop twice before he finally dove. So, does it work? I say yes, but that is my opinion.
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Exactly! That is such a good analogy. Why don't these Bujinkan idiots teach like sports coaches? That way, their students would actually learn how to apply locks and throws effectively. Instead, though, they just turn each class into a wank fest. They must be very horny people, these Buj guys, because they're always tossing off on film. I reckon these kinds of videos should be banned because of indecent behavior in public. I mean who wants to see a bunch of guys in black pajamas getting off???
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I mean just think about it, ninjato2001. Does a tennis coach teach the basics by weakly lobbing the ball over the net and having an accomplice keep diving full stretch and flailing hopelessly at the ball as if each shot is a thunderous winner? No, of course he doesn't, you one-eyed, moronic, Hatsumi-anus-kissing fuck wit! He just explains the fundamentals and then gets his students to practice them repeatedly. Fuckin' hell, you shinobi schmucks are sooooo fuckin' STUPID!!!
oh and another thing. Why do the techniques look like they are done so easily ? I keep asking myself how is it possible to reach this kind of level.Indeed ,when i just started training everything i did was done with most of my phisical strenght (not much here :)) ).But afterwards, your learn how to use the kinetics and your body to make the same amount of force.Its just when u do something that you totaly KNOW what you're doing.Like driving a car, u dont look at the pedals ,right? same here:)
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Absolute rubbish, Lywnis! I have heard those explanations over and over again from Bujinkan idiots like you and you're wasting your time using them on me. There are people in the world who believe in all sorts of hocus pocus bullshit. They fall over when their priest claims to touch them with the power of Christ, or they believe so-called psychics that profess to be able to tell their fortune.
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Lywnis, you are either deluded or a liar. I've had fifteenth dan Buj guys do this kind of nonsense on me and IT DOESN'T WORK!!! For goodness sake, man, wake up and realise that science and physics are the answer to self defence, not this airy fairy play acting. You're only fooling idiots and I'm not one of them.
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TakuanDaikon, you dick head, fifteenth dan Bujinkan guys are two a penny. There's nothing special in it. They don't have to be good. They just need to pay Hatsumi a lot of money.
and if they spar and bujinkan doesnt work quite right? adapt it and learn. isnt that what its about?
wackattackjack 5 months ago
The problem with this video is the b.s. compliance on the part of the "victim". The scenario in general is b.s. because no one is going to offer their wrist, arm, or shoulder for these "incredible" take-downs. I absolutely love the rolls at the end. This wouldn't work in the real world and the fantasy pretty much ends there. I will say that the workouts in general are great for balance, posture, and coordination.
etakevin 5 months ago
what's a person in white doing in 4:00?
qfourr 11 months ago
@qfourr Watching and learning. In bujinkan, the black kimono is desirable, not must-have. That could easily be somebody new to bujinkan, who has only white kimono from, for an example, karate lesson. The state of mind is what is important, not the appearance.
MrGrabich 10 months ago
@MrGrabich ha, great answer
qfourr 10 months ago
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slarsson1975 1 year ago
This is not the true kihon happo taught in Bujinkan Budo. The movements showed here are sloppy, and do not show the correct form either. Go and find a belt too and tie it. I hope the students in this dojo understand that they need to find a teacher who can show them the correct kihon happo, else they just waste their time in training.
slarsson1975 1 year ago
he shows no Kihon Happo at all -.-
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sizeofyourboat 1 year ago
If you watch carefully, he did actually catch any punches. He actually redirected the opponent,s attention and stole their energy. Ninpo is not about fancy technique, it is about not being there, no matter what pointin the conflict you are at. If youa re aware of the opponent's intent, do not show up at the location. If you are already there, avoid the fight and when the fight cannot be avoided, avoid your opponent's strikes. Do not be there.
owenspence 1 year ago
@rumorofwar1 this is ninjutsu - bujinkan ninjutsu part taijutsu... the way of the ninja not the samurai -.-
lyricboy089 1 year ago
@lyricboy089 Most of Bujinkan is Samurai schools. So most of being shown here is not Ninjutsu.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Bujinkan is not a samurai school, it is a ninjutsu school, however, it does have samurai style sword teachings. Samurai didn't use have the weaponry or taijutsu we in the bujinkan use, not do samurai schools teach some of our draws or sword techniques either. Bujinkan borrows it's sylabus from all over the place, even some Chinese martial arts too, so while there is some samurai in there, it is not purely a samurai school at heart.
Blazureokami 10 months ago
@Blazureokami Actually Bujinkan is an organization, not a school.
And actually most of the Ryu that make up the Bujinkan most of them are from Samurai. Only 3 of them are considered Ninjutsu. Actually Kukishin ryu has ninjutsu within it as well, but it's still a Samurai school. Most of what Bujinkan does is NOT Ninjutsu... As Ninjutsu had very little to do with weaponry and taijutsu. Taijutsu is definitely from Samurai, and the weaponry DEFINITELY from Samurai. There are no specific Ninja weapon
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku yes but samurai didnt use kyoketsu shoge or chain weapons, we do. If it were a samurai school it would be called as such
Blazureokami 10 months ago
@Blazureokami
Kusarigama/Kyoketsu shoge was just a common weapon of feudal Japan.
Many expert swordsmen used it to defeat other swordsmen. It's not a "Ninja weapon"
And btw many Ninja were Samurai.
So there probably were some Samurai that used Kusarigama/Kyoketsu shoge.
Even famous duel between Shishido Baiken and Miyamoto Musashi
Where Shishido Baiken used Kusarigama.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
Perhaps the kusarigame was a common weapon of feudal Japan, but the kyoketsu shoge was not common, at least not among the samurai, who would have considered it a dishonourable tool to use.
And by the way, the Bushido, was not shared by the ninja & the ninja were forbidden to act in self defense & therefore had no real code, so were free to act as they saw necessary. So ninja probably masqueraded as samurai, but were emphatically NOT samurai
owenspence 5 months ago
@owenspence Uh, you obviously have a overly romanticized view of Japanese Samurai. Many Japanese Samurai did not follow Bushido. In fact "Bushido" is a recently developed term. Ninja was a job. Which many Samurai performed. And usually Ninja were Samurai.
BlackShinobiShozoku 5 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Im pretty sure Hatsumi is correct in his titling of it as a ninjutsu organisation, and besides, Ninjas had to learn a lot of samurai stuff anyway, as a means of defending against it, and in case of impersonation
Blazureokami 10 months ago
@Blazureokami Hatsumi named it Bujinkan Budo not Ninjutsu.
But Ninja were Samurai and Samurai were Ninja.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@Blazureokami There aren't any Chinese martial arts that make up the Bujinkan organization.
Although some of the traditional Japanese martial arts within Bujinkan have taken influence from Chinese martial arts(Mostly in the Atemi waza)
But Bujinkan is made up of 9 Koryu schools.
3 of which are considered Ninjutsu. And really it's not the ancient Ninjutsu techniques that get taught much. It's the Taijutsu and other jutsu that follows a ninpo philosophy.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Well there are somethings that bleed into it from China, Ive noticed some wushu and there is deffinatly some stuff from Chinese and Tai Boxing I noticed from my old days in that. Im aware of the 9 schools too. In all fairness though most of the ancient ninja clans and teachings died a while back and isn't there only a handful of the ancient clans still around? I know at least one of the clans (not sure if it was Iga or Koga) was ended last century
Blazureokami 10 months ago
@Blazureokami
Chinese martial arts do have influence on some Traditional Japanese martial arts. Especially when you start getting to arts that have atemi waza. Koka ryu, at the moment of popular belief, died with Fujita Seiko; but I think there is still research going on with Jinichi Kawakami.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku That is not actually totally correct. Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu was actually based on teachings of Cho Gyokko, but it was later after the teachings had been systematized by some of his Japanese pupils that the current school was founded as Gyokko Ryu. Cho Gyokko also had great influence in the creation of Koto Ryu Koppojutsu, and that is why these two schools are taught together as part of a complete curriculum.
ExposeChosunNinja 10 months ago
@ExposeChosunNinja
So is Gyokko Ryu considered chinese martial art?
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Yes and no! The essentials of the Art are of Chinese origin, but because the art was systematized later on by the Japanese, it is considered to be a Japanese Koryu Bujutsu with it's roots, or origins in Chinese martial arts. Much the same way that Okinawan Karate owes it's origins to the Chinese.
ExposeChosunNinja 10 months ago
@ExposeChosunNinja
Is gyokko ryu mostly grappling or pressure point striking? Since I noticed you said Koshijutsu.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku It contains both elements, and I would not say it is either mostly one or the other. If you train in the Bujinkan you quickly realize that this is not a system that is focused on one particular area of martial training. It has a pretty broad spectrum.
ExposeChosunNinja 10 months ago
THIS IS NOT NOT NOT KIHON HAPPO
TheRYU79 1 year ago
this is NOT kihon
Ronin10467 1 year ago
well im pretty sure its not that wrist locks are ineffective so much
as they are unpractical
CAuse really who the fuck is gunna grab your shit like that ina fight
or throw HUGE punch like the come the fuck on...
mageslol 1 year ago
@mageslol you know, there´s a reason they are called basic techniques, right? Of course nobody´s gonna do that, but it´s just to learn the basics
TheEirikMan 1 year ago
@TheEirikMan X: yeah i know lol i didnt say they didnt work
im just saying if someone knows how to fight
its gunna be very difficult to catch their punch x) so its hard to actually get someone in a joint lock
mageslol 1 year ago
@mageslol well, I understand what you're saying, but then you just have to be better, rigth? :P
TheEirikMan 1 year ago
@TheEirikMan O_O yes i suppose! just depends on how good of a boxer that person is if they've been taking it for a while
and all your train is joint locks you're fucked
mageslol 1 year ago
@mageslol In a real fight a lot of grappling goes on. So yes there is a lot of grabbing of shirts, and grabbing like that. The evidence is plain to see in many recorded street fights that end up on youtube. How a lot of them use one hand to grab hold of you and the other hand as a fist to beat you with.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Very true, just depends on who you are fighting I suppose. Most untrained fighters will grab make it easy for this. And I think with the increase of the UFC fanboys a lot of people are starting to train in grappling fighting would make this very useful
mageslol 11 months ago
@mageslol Most UFC fighters can be overcome with Judo and Boxing to be honest. Sadly Ninjutsu is banned in that sort of tournament
Blazureokami 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You're Uke is horrible, leaves his arms lying out there, goes of balance when you turn and haven't made the slightest attmept to un balance him.
How the hell is Nage suppose to learn anything but a delusion. This is the kind of training you give to two month beginners to let them understand locking principles, after that your Uke should be upping his resistance speed and un-willingness to go down.
Uke needs to resist, strike like he meens it and stop falling over by magic for Nage sake.
outsidepers 1 year ago
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outsidepers 1 year ago
what a strange ura gyaku..this is not real kihon happo,but something that looks like it....where are the deep & long kamae as wished by Soke ????at 6:40 is that supposed to be some part of musha dori??
Nevarlav 1 year ago
@Nevarlav Mmmh, if you watched any of soke's video or seminar, he doesn't pay attention to the form, but only the "concept" matters.
Nordrian 1 year ago
@Nordrian :Do you really want to compare Soke to this guy??Soke has been training over 45 YEARS and uses lots of henkas ,but if one is teaching kihon happo one should teach the basic form and not the henka of it....or doesn´t this person know the basics anymore??
Nevarlav 1 year ago
@Nordrian :and omg at 2:26 what a silly weak attack & Ichimonji kamae.....I don´t say that everybody ´s kamae has to be 100 % perfect,but if posting on youtube you represent Soke & Bujinkan,so then you have to give 100%!!!!
Nevarlav 1 year ago
Nice, This seems pretty similar to Aikiko-Aikido though.
eyesack9 1 year ago
@eyesack9 That's because Aikido comes from Jujutsu.
Taijutsu is Jujutsu.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku taijutsu simply means body technique, by definition anything is a taijutsu
Blazureokami 10 months ago
he is awful.
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
its not as if the kimono is uncomfortable, y is the sensei not wearing one? even when he does its not strapped in
wasabi107 1 year ago
god whata joke. He is not doing the jutsu right even in slow motion. His ura is shit completly he needs a lot lower stance.
Also...to be a kihon happo video without? ichiomie, hicho and joumanji ..and kihon happo should be alot more henka to be a real kihon happo not standing still doing basics
Myrmonden 1 year ago
Shouldn't he be moving in Shiho rather than just left and right or standing on one point? It's Kihon Happo, it's there to be done like it should be, no variations, that's why it's called Kihon Happo.
Obiwan198 1 year ago
if the uke falls over so easily, how do you know a good teqnique from a excellent one?
wackattackjack 1 year ago 3
@wackattackjack through expirience. There are tons and tons of details that have to be done right. Low stance, not raising, Shiho 4 basic ways, straight spine, hands close to the body etc etc etc
Obiwan198 1 year ago
@wackattackjack roll out of it, knowning the break fall helps alot!
paladindarknite 1 year ago
i like bujinkan, but these victims need to stop being flacid cocks, and force the attacker to make it work. yhese videos are sort of showing off. as oppose to raw training.
wackattackjack 1 year ago 7
@wackattackjack its for learning at home position distance and the movements when you have no one to practice with learn power and speed in the dojo. however bujinkan generally has! had its wings clipped because we are not allowed tokill our enemies in society
ferla85 6 months ago
fair enough for home training but i know that in most dojos this is all they do. i know some of the moves are risky (for both partners) but isnt judo an offshoot of jujitsu like bujinkan? in judo they manage to spar safely and can actually try and TEST themselves. it would be well worth while if bujinkan sparred using its throws and tips. for gods sake in one karate kata i learned there was a move to rip a mans nuts off, how many castrations have there been in organised karate competition?
wackattackjack 5 months ago
impossible
705RAFAEL 1 year ago
Looks ok, but why cant he wear the kimmono properly? Gives a very sloppy impression that unnecessarily brings down the total impression of the vid and the bujinkan.
GetPerspective 1 year ago
Can you imagine any of this working on someone who is actually tensing their muscles rather than cooperating? I just can't see any way for this to be applied in sparring. The teacher is basically just showing off how brilliant he is at performing counters to moves that he specifies in advance, in slow motion
asdashopperrr 1 year ago
The techniques are made so that thay are going against the weakest muscles as you can notice. There are sure ways when specific techniques just cannot be applied, however if you got it right (distance, oponent's balance and distraction etc) it's cool.
In this vid, the teacher shows some cool stuff, but it's mostly not kihon happo. Kihon happo is basic, it's a way which you have to go and going off the path is bad for training. It's not like techniques which are adaptable... basics are given.DOT
Obiwan198 1 year ago
asdashopperrr - Just how is one suppose to demonstrate a new technique to a student if not slowly and to counter a specified move?
ptboyindenver 1 year ago
very nice! hes movements r smooth and relaxed
NAMELESSWARRi0R 1 year ago 2
"marked as spam" ...
Yeah... that's what I thought.
MarvelmeetsManga 2 years ago
this guy is a hatsumi copy
masterofdisguiseable 2 years ago 2
He was trained by Hatsumi...
ninjanerd8 2 years ago 3
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masterofdisguiseable 2 years ago
im sorry i thought you were marvelmeetsmanga, he uploaded the video, but still you prove my point, you did threaten me, and now you dont prove me wrong but insult me, and considering that you appear to be an advocate of choson ninja you have no leg to stand on in this debate, koryu martial artists only please.
ectre 2 years ago
oh and i dont 'hate' the bujinkan, im bringing to their attention a flaw which i hope they will correct, i train in the same art, just under a different kan.
ectre 2 years ago
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MarvelmeetsManga 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Glad my video was such a hit! ;)
Which kan do you train under and who is your sensei?
MarvelmeetsManga 2 years ago
Fast or slow its still poor technique that is being taught because the motions used would be innafective in a fight, they are not designed for resisting opponents, surely the video that YOU uploaded of jason chambers, a mediocre mma fighter at best, flattening a 13th dan shihan in unarmed combat proves my point sufficiently, and threats are cheap over youtube, but you continue to prove my point, threats of violence and poor technique, hardly the sign of a real martial artist.
ectre 2 years ago
threaten me all you like, im done discussing this.
ectre 2 years ago
it looks like the instructor is teaching techniques to his students to me, and their balance isnt centred properly if their postures are that relaxed, and if they dont 'learn; from the training why do it? though i agree we cant know exactly what the videos intentions are, but if it is a demo, its not a particularly good one, surely a demo is to show technique at its best rather than its worst?
ectre 2 years ago
its too relaxed, no one will learn anything from this, why do you think that so many people see ninpo as a joke? because of these type of inafective exercises
ectre 2 years ago
They may already know how to apply things in a more progressive manner. They may already train with resistence. They may not care that they won't "learn" anything from this relaxed training (though their muscles memorize how their balance should be, how to fall, etc). My point is that what they chose to put up a clip of relaxed training. No one knows what their intentions were or what they think of the training. They're just having some fun.
MarvelmeetsManga 2 years ago
Guys, these people are just demo-ing lightly and doing some relaxed training. They might do the kihon happo with a lot of intensity (as it is supposed to be trained) Not everyone has to train with extreme resistance ALL the F'n time. LOL. Not even BJJ rolls full out ALL the freakin time.
MarvelmeetsManga 2 years ago 2
you do have to have some intensity and resistance with your practice otherwise you will never be able to apply technique for real, the guy just falls over for him, and the technique hes showing isnt really that good because if it where hed be using taisabaki rather than his student just falling for him, real skill come in being able to do a technique with intensity without causing injury, and besides a bit of pain is to be expected in a martial art is it not?
ectre 2 years ago
Bujinkan Ninjutsu is not a sport? Why is this video listed under sports? It should be under art. A sport is something you can compete in, it has tournaments and stuff. Bujinkan Ninjutsu doesn't.
Faergen 2 years ago 2
ya i hate it when people call it sport, people can be so stupid, sport wasen't used to fight wars in ancient times, ninjutsu probably was
YoungNinjutsuShinobi 2 years ago
im not saying he has to do it for real, yeh the opponent would end up in hospital if that happened, no question, im just saying you dont have to be that soft with the techniques, the real skill comes with being able to do techniques with speed and not cause harm to another, im sure he could teach the techniques like that if he wanted, so why not? resistance and a bit of pain is necessary for learning
ectre 2 years ago
constructive criticism: the aggressors are going down way to easily, i know these techniques and have graded in these techniques and they dont work without a certain level of intensity, which this guy doesnt seem to have, if its a demo then do one fast to show true case and one slow, but this is just teaching poor technique, they wont work if done to the degree demo'd in the video, the guy shows pain, but it just wouldnt hurt if done like that, theatrics and poor technique dont help anyone
ectre 2 years ago
I understand you must be skilled, but if he did it for real, someone would get hurt.
taishoinu 2 years ago
I agree too. also the defender leaves himself prove to the agressor kicking, or even biting. I train in this art too, and thats always an issue- pin by a certian amount of force and dont let them out until they tap out.
IrishRanger117 2 years ago
you dont have to show 'intensity' to show proper form in a technique man. For example ude garame... if done in real street self defense is done very violently. however you can still teach the technique, and just know what its being applied properly at a very slow gently manner... much safer to learn that way too.
BrentShiver 2 years ago
I don't know how many different versions of the Kihon Happo are existing (i'm in Bujinkan just since 3 or 4 months) but the kihon happo we train are different to the Kihon Happo showed in the video. Are there so much different versions of the Kihon Happo??
rissik12 2 years ago
maybe thats the problem with the bujinkan...everyone is so worried about henka that they ignore and dont understand kata. one should lead to the other
kempobrad 2 years ago 12
@kempobrad that isn't maybe the problem with the bujinkan, that is absolutely the problem with the bujinkan.
weloveyoudimebag 1 year ago
@weloveyoudimebag i couldn't put it so forcefully as i have never actually practiced bujinkan. RIP Dime!
kempobrad 1 year ago
@kempobrad We do learn kata in the bujinkan, trouble is it's not like we are taught patterns a la Tae kwon do. We learn techniques as principle and adapt to situation.
Blazureokami 10 months ago
@Blazureokami well thats the point. so many schools have a different curriculum than any of the others, there's no uniformity. but the point was that you should first understand the kata, and then understand that the henka come from the kata. people are sometimes so worried about putting their own unique spin on things that they can't even do the basic movement correctly. (not pointing fingers at anyone specific)
kempobrad 5 months ago
@kempobrad the same could be said of taekwondo and many martial arts, the western taekwondo is mostly the sport variation (I know Ive studied at several places since I was a child) while in the eastern side of the world, there's more of the heavy damage. Thing is in the Bujinkan, the taijutsu is more ending the fight in as few hits as possible (arm comes near and you break it). We do still learn kata but kihon happo isnt a kata, it's the fundamental strikes, the kata is a seperate topic
Blazureokami 5 months ago
@Blazureokami i am aware of that. just making an observation. and i agree the same could be said of any art that uses kata, which is just about all of them really. but it seems with so much freedom to personalize (given to instructors) ..there's no uniformity even in the kata. at least in karate naihanchi is naihanchi with only slight variations which can't be helped.
kempobrad 5 months ago
were are the kamae techs? :O
Xankagerz 2 years ago
am sorry but the tech. is not done w/ a true combat approach...the amount of force/speed & aggression is minimal....try adding secondary attacks and increased speed to the drill..other wise this is just a very basic way of learning ...omote guiaku roppo...the punches are way to telegraph..you think a boxer will throw punches in that manner...you have to adapt to the times...other wise you sacrifice the sec. of your students for the sake of tradition....in the street is gonna be brutal..
rottenwolf1 2 years ago
You have to learn to walk before you can run.
FutureMoth 2 years ago
This art is the real deal. Anyone who practices it knows this. Let the skeptics remain skeptics as this is only an advantage.
PathToZero 2 years ago
lol...buji's dont know shit about the kihon happo...as this video shows.
what a joke.
chucknorrispranks 2 years ago
@chucknorrispranks: wheres your kihon happo video then? i wanna see the propper way.
RajDrummer1 2 years ago
I don't think it's appropriate for a student to post a video and be like "this is how it's done, this is me representing my school, and my sensei, and his sensei". Unfortunately, even buji's senseis, and their senseis many times suck fat cock and don't know anything...yet have insanely high ranks and call themselves things like "shihan".
chucknorrispranks 2 years ago
fair enough but we're all trying to be better martial artists here and you can give constructive critisim without being rude. I do Kind of agree with you, I practice in the bujinkan and i do think that some of the people get graded too quickly then suffer for it later. A lot of dojos (not just bujinkan) are like school where the teachers only teach you how to pass an exam or to go up a grade, but dont focus on actually helping someone become a better martial artist
RajDrummer1 2 years ago
Sometimes I will be paired up with someone much weaker then me, and they can't break my balance or my grip.
There are solutions to this, a quick nerve strike, pinch will make my grip open long enough for the weakling to twist me down to the ground.
These techniques are criticized because not often will someone grab you by the collar to initiate a fight, but all the motions involved can be applied to an opponent who throws a punch at you.
It is just a matter of timing the catch.
KilljoySlasher 2 years ago 2
You are correct I've been in the bujinkan for years and when I first started I used strenght and that failed me everytime. Continue practicing brother you are on the right path. Thanx for sharing your experinces
maceioninjutsu 2 years ago
its not about strength its about movements tell them that
hypnosqurile 2 years ago
I'm amazed at the number of people arguing that wristlocks are ineffective.
At 5'9" I weigh 195lbs with 15% bodyfat, I've done strength training and I started with the bujinkan 5 months ago.
My teachers love me as uke because they effectively demonstrate that strength can be easily overcome with proper body movement.
For the first month or so I put a lot of resistance, and that proved to be much worst for me, and yes, you do get brought to the floor pretty easily, and painfully.
KilljoySlasher 2 years ago 19
haha youre so right im 15 years old im small i only weight 125 lbs and i can still beat my friends in jujutsu and its very interesting to watch this video because jujutsu is more based on ground fighting and this is more when you stand wich mean i could mix both and all sort of stuff
LedKenji666 2 years ago
@KilljoySlasher What seems to irk people the most is the sloppy technique.
ninjanerd8 1 year ago
@KilljoySlasher
Your comment put a cold shiver up my spine. Is there really a way to put down big boys that easily?
ytacc0 1 year ago
@KilljoySlasher please tell me more, i helpd teachd a little out in a iraq!
paladindarknite 1 year ago
@KilljoySlasher same with me, Ive been a member for three years and mushidori and all the wrist and arm locks hurt far worse than strikes to me
Blazureokami 10 months ago
I've had this done on me before, and this guy is missing some footwork. In addition to the wrist lock that hurts like HELL (believe me I know), theres also a leg sweep to insure that the uke goes down. Its usually not needed; the pain is so intense for me that my legs give out when my teacher does it to me, but in case you mess up, there is a leg sweep as well.
ninpo4life 2 years ago
I know what you mean that wrist lock hurts like hell.
One time me and my friend we're laughing during the lesson and the teacher took me said that my punishment would be five wrist locks. I can still feel it ... two years later. The pain was so immense, I'll never forget it
darazandiamond 2 years ago
"Any warrior can end a life. The Great Warrior trys to preserve that life."
Ure and Omote Gyaku are very painful locks. I have no doubt jujitsu has painful locks as well but dont knock it until you try it cjcuk.
colinbuell 2 years ago
the ukes look like they are just falling over all over the place with little effort to stay standing at all
cjcuk 2 years ago
you never had your hand twisted did you??
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cjcuk 2 years ago
actually yea i study jujitsu and have done and felt kote gaeshi plenty of times, this vid looks mainly like variations on kote gaeshi and kote hineri and they look good just the uke looks like he over exaggerating the intensity for tori (which im probably sure is for the video)
cjcuk 2 years ago
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junkahoolik 2 years ago
it is alot like aikido btw .. these days no matter how good i am to pickup the techniques i still feel so rookie , its been awhile i have had this experience, i hope it builds on me not brings me down :P it prob wont cause i will just continue practicing till i get it right.
Aur0rah 2 years ago 2
It is said that Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido, studied for Takamatsu Toshitsugu who was the former Grand Master of Bujinkan.
With that in mind, the a lot of techniques in Bujinkan are similar to techniques in Aikido.
kyoken71 2 years ago
studied for? what does that mean?
Yes i ahve often wondered if hatsumi met morihei or if they studied togheter.
Bujinkan is maybe the only martial art after daito ruy which is so similar in some ways to aikido.
Aur0rah 2 years ago
As I've been told, Ueshiba-sensei had not founded Aikido when studying for Takamatus-sensei.
Although it's always amusing to hear the stories, you have to be careful with what to believe.
For further information I would recommend to consult a Bujinkan Dojo if you're interested in training. Good Luck!
kyoken71 2 years ago
but this particular sensei might have had aikido backgrond since his pins and wrist corntroll are so clear , noramlly i have seen other bujinkan their arm and wrist techniques are more overal and gliding not holding and twisting like in aikido
Aur0rah 2 years ago
I once heard an instructor saying that in Aikido, the "universe" is moving around Tori (the one who performs the technique). In Bujinkan, Tori is moving around in the "universe".
When facing a problem - move around it and keep going!
kyoken71 2 years ago
I think someoen missunderstood , In aikido it says your the center of your universe so take responsibility and play a good and important role in it , do not be conflicting, useless ,careless and dangerous .. it means that your a key stone in things arround you you can make a difference, dont be careless.
but i think both bujin philosophy and aikibudo comes from same pnd of water because in aikido you must be humble and gentle and in that sence often must go arround someone elses universe
Aur0rah 2 years ago
"the master who only masters others are a limited one , the master who masters himself as well is truelly free , but we cannot master ourselves related only to fighting and defeating we must be able to creating and restoring "- Nima (me)
Aur0rah 2 years ago
i have no idea what this is but i love it, i tried some aikido, taekwondo, and won some medals and some belts in judo when i was younger.
i'm joining the marines or the foreign french legion soon, and would love to learn this defensive art.
Nwovance 2 years ago
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu my friend. Its all over the world so i doubt you will have trouble finding a dojo nearby.
colinbuell 2 years ago
and i also doubt you can find one with quality trainers nearby too... the main problem is that there are a lot of people who don't know what they are doing!! but i'm lucky in that respect.
junkahoolik 2 years ago
in this video ie xperience is not so much taijutsu like multi hit and distance.. its more similar to other arts such as aikido or aikijujutsu
Aur0rah 3 years ago
excellent!!!
sizzla123 3 years ago
1:20 small hit to arm
hughpearse 3 years ago
luv ur vids i watch it every day again n again never get tired of it..do more
Shinobiriz 3 years ago
ninjutsu techniques cannot be done while sparring because they are designed to injure..as opposed to sport martial arts (like judo)
c2lhu 3 years ago
One thing I don't get is the jodokas, bjj guys, and jujitsu guys bashing buj. From what I have seen, and from what history books show, as far as hand to hand goes buj has the EXACT same base as Judo, bjj, and Jujitsu. The techniques over lap. The failing of buj that I have heard about is the training METHOD, not the technique (no full resistance sparring like in mma and bjj). It's amusing to hear criticism of such ignorance. Where do you think buj got its technique from? The same place Judo did!
netisforporn666 3 years ago
Actually ninjutsu and jujutsu are the parent arts to all modern forms of Japanese martial arts like Karate, Judo and Taekwondo and it was from Japanese Jujutsu that BJJ was developed.
ninjanerd8 3 years ago
ninjutsu was not parent to anything. karate judo and teakwando all came as following of they say priests and groups of people. These arts heritage is jujutsu not all of them for i nstance teakwando has nothing to do with juijutsu same as karate. NInjutsu was itself an ansestor of shaolin kung fu and juijitsu, however the chinese form is less visible in the final forms of ninjutsu. Karate has clearly other roots , i toculd hav ebeen from some sort of samurai art.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
Ninjutsu and Jujutsu contain all aspects found in modern forms of martial arts: The striking in Taekwando and Karate, the rolling and throwing in Judo, the locks and chokes in BJJ, the list goes on. Modern forms came from these two and these two came from chinese forms.
ninjanerd8 3 years ago
aur0rah, traditional jujutsu predates 'ninjutsu' and 'ninjutsu' is full of jujutsu, all over it, probably one of the most fundamental aspects of ninpo taijutsu.
ninjutsu wasnt an ancestor of shaolin kung fu, shaolin kung fu predates it.
youve got your history wrong.
as far as 'some sort of samurai art' koryu were mostly samurai style, including some koryu in ninjutsu organizations.
ninjiujitsu1 2 years ago
i ment ninjutsu was after kung fu , however i still do not think it comes entirely from kung fu. Alot of the gymnastics and wepons do come from chinese kung fu, however the fighting style and stances kamae are typically from sword fight and distance combat. Jpanese martial arts are very special in the ways of how they focus on stability , moving as a whole and having firm stability while on other fighting systems its not
Aur0rah 2 years ago
the gymanstics comment is pure speculation. as far as the basic ninja weapons - katana, kusari fundo/gama, kyoketsu shoge, shuko, shuriken, all japanese weapons. you wont see them in chinese fighting - and whens the last time you heard of a ninja fighting with butterfly blades. basically proving your chinese weapons theory is pure speculation also.
the fighting style and kamae ARE typically from distance combat and sword fighting, which at that time were the koryu, which is what i said....
ninjiujitsu1 2 years ago
I have red several types of info about origins of the ninja, basically still come from farming wepons and alot of wepons included in ninja weponary are the same as in kungfu like nunchucks , kamas i am not sure, that swinging chain blade, alot alot
the story i have red and makes sence to me is that chinese had to develope a way to protect themselves , they already did know kung fu or received teaching of it, later on it became more japanese and it was told that the oni had brought them the nin.
Aur0rah 2 years ago
Also not ot mention the many relations both movie and games to chinese ninja, it is all not coincidence. Bruce lee also said that kung fu was the faterh of jujutsu, however even this i am not so sure but i learned through different articles before that it infact was brogh down with the chinese settelers and then developing into japanese style ninjutsu against the samurai Katana. it was a peasants resort to change the tides in japan, therefore it had so much espionage.
Aur0rah 2 years ago
Note that the Kihon Happo is not taken from any of the three forms of Ninpo that are contained within the Bujinkan, but rather come from Gyoku Ryu Koshijutsu, and so there is no Ninjustu to be seen here.
Koshijutsu has its roots in China and reputedly came to Japan with Chou Gyoku around 900AD. Some say that it then influenced Gyokushin Ryu Ninpo, but seing as this has never been taught in the Bujinkan it is hard to know.
limitingfactor 2 years ago
ninjanerd, taekwondo is korean. rule that out. judo and karete didnt come from 'ninjutsu' persay, but they did come from japanese koryu, thats true, just because the koryu were there first, and were modified over time to become more sportlike styles like karate and judo.
BJJ was from japanese jiu jitsu but mostly from judo.
ninjiujitsu1 2 years ago
koruy is not a martial art its a term for older more traditional martial art. Gentai budo is new martial art Kobudo are old.
Aur0rah 2 years ago
you don't have to try and give me vocabulary lessons, i wouldn't use a word unless i knew what it meant. koryu is singular and plural in the same form - i said koryu meant in the plural sense to say that ninjas came from many different old lineages, as opposed to trying to say they came from ONE direct source. they came from multiple samurai and ninja koryu, and the ninja ones were based off the samurai ones initially
ninjiujitsu1 2 years ago
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epramberg 3 years ago
Now the thing is. Can you do that against a resisting opponent?
Oblisk47 3 years ago
5:50 wonderful henka !!
topo77granate 3 years ago
Ura gyaku used in the clip is from takagi yoshin and not part of the traditional kihon happo. It's also supposed to be (as with most of takagi yoshin) designed for close-up encounters, not the extended distance you use it in here. and where is omote gyaku ski?
rdevanney 3 years ago
I really wonder what will happen when hatsumi dies.
airwolf511 3 years ago
There was only one soke - i.e 'last ninja' before Hatsumi ... I am sure the title will be passed on. If not, there are many people who in time could take his place. =]
Ib3nez 3 years ago
hmm...im wonderin who wil be the next Soke.....im sure some Jap wil be..lol
Shinobiriz 3 years ago
Why are you guys wearing gi jackets and yet no belts??? You may as well just wear jeans and jumpers. Or, are you trying to look 'cool'?
slapupchrist 3 years ago
Actually they are wearing belts! They just put there tops on for this technique,which requies a lapel grab!
redins7248 3 years ago
i liked this video just because the body will move to prevent pain so a lot of these techniques will work so u both have arguable points in ur styles because it is one thing to put this in real time but if one is seasoned in a style then he will not be easily beaten does anyone have any other styles that i can look at plz reply.
bojetsu 3 years ago
great techniques
zak3293 3 years ago
for all of you that think Bujinkan isn t pratciced realistic.We start at a slow speed but we increase it and do realisticly.Tell me in sports like karate,judo so on..(i am a judoka to), do tehy show the tehnic at super speed. no they don t because the student need to learn.
vali4theworld 3 years ago
actually im on the way to becoming a sports coach. i have just finished my cert 3 in sports coaching (in martial arts0. also i have competed in many tornaments when i was younger. they where Kyokushin Karate medium contact. i have several black belts before bujinkan, and many bujinkan students hold black belts in other styles. funny thing is how bujnikan people and others arent resorting to swearing or insulting others here. slapupchrist are you american.
ninjato2001 3 years ago
ha. at the end there is a shrine. i have the exact same shrine. bought it at a hardware store in kita-koshigaya.
look at ura gyaku, as he covers the hand and ura shuto to the neck it really gentle to show the technic and not hurt the uke. in reality that would be a solid strike to the neck. as i have originaly a karate & ju jutsu background i can understand why some people might think that these technics are soft, but they do work in a fight. remember this isnt a sport either.
ninjato2001 3 years ago
They don't teach like sports coaches because this isn't really a sport, it's a self defense science like Krav Maga and is thus reality based. This art is about gaining the upper hand and manipulating the opponent which can only be done through a lot of practise and starting off slow. Either you guys have never tried it or you've had some bad experiences with it. I hope you will find the ability to channel your energies towards something positive so you might actually get somewhere in life.
florian3706 3 years ago 3
Having been taught Buj in this way myself (after training in several other styles) I can say this: they're diving because it really damn hurts. Your knees decide your brain isn't reacting fast enough and unlock for you. Even in slow training, locks are put on to the point of pain and they genuinely work. When the techniques are done with real speed and momentum it takes control not to cause damage, and that isn't there initially. But I can assure you, every single one of these works at speed! :)
sballuk 3 years ago 2
What is being shown here is basics. This specific MA cannot be taught in a sports manner because of how it was derived from ancient fighting arts, invested with warrior traditions. Even though you can isolate specific techniques and drill them in sports manner it would be dangerous because of the "boxed" mentality that would be developed about said techniques. Also, I find it hilarious that someone would make a user name dedicated to Buuj bashing. Little pathetic don't you think?
Coldkiss86x 3 years ago
I can't say I know a lot about Bujinkan, however from the little bit I have seen and practiced, the "flopping around" or "taking a dive" as you see people do in these videos are actually protective of the uke. If the uke just stands there and let's the instructor or otherwise fully twist the wrist it will cause immense pain. I've seen one student try to resist flopping and you could hear his wrist audibly pop twice before he finally dove. So, does it work? I say yes, but that is my opinion.
TinariKao 3 years ago 2
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Exactly! That is such a good analogy. Why don't these Bujinkan idiots teach like sports coaches? That way, their students would actually learn how to apply locks and throws effectively. Instead, though, they just turn each class into a wank fest. They must be very horny people, these Buj guys, because they're always tossing off on film. I reckon these kinds of videos should be banned because of indecent behavior in public. I mean who wants to see a bunch of guys in black pajamas getting off???
Bujinkant 3 years ago
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I mean just think about it, ninjato2001. Does a tennis coach teach the basics by weakly lobbing the ball over the net and having an accomplice keep diving full stretch and flailing hopelessly at the ball as if each shot is a thunderous winner? No, of course he doesn't, you one-eyed, moronic, Hatsumi-anus-kissing fuck wit! He just explains the fundamentals and then gets his students to practice them repeatedly. Fuckin' hell, you shinobi schmucks are sooooo fuckin' STUPID!!!
slapupchrist 3 years ago
oh and another thing. Why do the techniques look like they are done so easily ? I keep asking myself how is it possible to reach this kind of level.Indeed ,when i just started training everything i did was done with most of my phisical strenght (not much here :)) ).But afterwards, your learn how to use the kinetics and your body to make the same amount of force.Its just when u do something that you totaly KNOW what you're doing.Like driving a car, u dont look at the pedals ,right? same here:)
Lywnis 3 years ago 2
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Absolute rubbish, Lywnis! I have heard those explanations over and over again from Bujinkan idiots like you and you're wasting your time using them on me. There are people in the world who believe in all sorts of hocus pocus bullshit. They fall over when their priest claims to touch them with the power of Christ, or they believe so-called psychics that profess to be able to tell their fortune.
slapupchrist 3 years ago
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Lywnis, you are either deluded or a liar. I've had fifteenth dan Buj guys do this kind of nonsense on me and IT DOESN'T WORK!!! For goodness sake, man, wake up and realise that science and physics are the answer to self defence, not this airy fairy play acting. You're only fooling idiots and I'm not one of them.
slapupchrist 3 years ago
Fifteenth Dan my ass. You aren't fooling anyone either.
TakuanDaikon 3 years ago 2
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TakuanDaikon, you dick head, fifteenth dan Bujinkan guys are two a penny. There's nothing special in it. They don't have to be good. They just need to pay Hatsumi a lot of money.
slapupchrist 3 years ago