The USAS12 is classified DD because it has a drum magazine. Straight and tubular magazine shotguns do not fall under the DD category.
The fact that a drum magazine is only available as an aftermarket accessory to the Saiga, while the USAS12 has it come standard, is probably the reason for the different classification.
This is all aside from the fact that the Firearms branch of the BAFTE is a massively inept, corrupt, unconstitutional, and generally mean-spirited organization.
How can you possibly even dare to breath that, when they let you keep your S-12, after all. S-12 is far superior to the USAS-12, BUT we get to own them. I doubt your accessment of the magazine theory. it might be right, but you already alluded to them being inept - so who REALLY knows? Maybe, but they have powers you can only dream about. lol.
I have one. I bought it before the ban, so it is grandfathered. Had to register and etc. Still worth owning. Saiga-12 is much better. This looks cool as well.
@WANGZOOMZIP "HA! HA! HA!" Why is it that women just seem to have zero sense of their surroundings? Why, oh why must they ALWAYS be the ABSOLUTE CENTER of EVERYONE'S attention? "HA! HA! HA!" stfu already, you loud, mouthy dingbats; the entire world doesn't revolve around you and what you have to say. No one cares about what you have to say or who's attention you're trying to grab this time. Shut up or go away.
I say that because I live in California. The S12 needs to have a fixed magazine and if CMMG are willing to sell this in California, fixed AR style rifles are easier to reload compared to a fixed AK style weapon like the Saiga-12
Good luck getting CMMG to sell one in the People's Republik of Kalifornistan, chum. You'd either have to lose the pistol grip or the detachable magazine. I can just see Eugene Stoner doing 120,000 RPM in his casket right now...
I had a newspaper picture of Kalashnikov and Stoner posing together with each of them holding their respective creations for some anniversary deal. Your post just reminded me of that. It was at a gun show in the US or something.
EXACTLY 3 years now and still ZERO info on this! It looks like the MK1919 beat you to the punch AND probably for 1/3 the price this would be!
MrDannees 1 month ago
I need this. I love my CMMG stuff. I want to love my CMMG 12 gauge.
Maat922 1 year ago
CMMG For the Win!!!
PatriotAr15 2 years ago
Remember the USAS-12? that was a 12 ga shotgun styled after a M-16. It's now listed as a Destructive Device by the BATFE
jester116th 3 years ago
saiga 12 ga isn't, and its the AK version of a auto shotgun
boravw1 2 years ago
The USAS12 is classified DD because it has a drum magazine. Straight and tubular magazine shotguns do not fall under the DD category.
The fact that a drum magazine is only available as an aftermarket accessory to the Saiga, while the USAS12 has it come standard, is probably the reason for the different classification.
This is all aside from the fact that the Firearms branch of the BAFTE is a massively inept, corrupt, unconstitutional, and generally mean-spirited organization.
amaixner 2 years ago 5
How can you possibly even dare to breath that, when they let you keep your S-12, after all. S-12 is far superior to the USAS-12, BUT we get to own them. I doubt your accessment of the magazine theory. it might be right, but you already alluded to them being inept - so who REALLY knows? Maybe, but they have powers you can only dream about. lol.
broncobra 2 years ago
I have one. I bought it before the ban, so it is grandfathered. Had to register and etc. Still worth owning. Saiga-12 is much better. This looks cool as well.
broncobra 2 years ago
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Piston is the future for the Carbine Rifle but ACR / Masada has this beat.
Xare420 3 years ago
Except this isn't a rifle, it's a shotgun.
MFCBastion 3 years ago 12
Whats the big deal?
You know of some place that sells cheap AR15 shotgun mags? ;)
I want one......bad!
sirhcskoorb 3 years ago 2
God, shut those women up.
WANGZOOMZIP 3 years ago 17
@WANGZOOMZIP "HA! HA! HA!" Why is it that women just seem to have zero sense of their surroundings? Why, oh why must they ALWAYS be the ABSOLUTE CENTER of EVERYONE'S attention? "HA! HA! HA!" stfu already, you loud, mouthy dingbats; the entire world doesn't revolve around you and what you have to say. No one cares about what you have to say or who's attention you're trying to grab this time. Shut up or go away.
aivilik 1 year ago
Available when and how much?
Mag availability and price as well?
Can it work with a sidefolding stock?
AKlover 3 years ago
Price and Mags?
That is where the rubber meets the road. How much is it going to cost? And how can I feed it?
Also the Saiga is an AK type so it will be around long after WWIII.
scrotie20 3 years ago
Its about time someone makes a 12 gauge AR15 platform.
Pandacycle 3 years ago
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WOAH!!! 12 gauge? That makes the Saiga-12 look like crap now.
bong9130 3 years ago
No. The AR platform will never make the Kalashnikov platform look like "crap."
I like it, but I'll stick with my S12. Best part? I have one already, and they are readily available NOW.
astro43 3 years ago 7
I say that because I live in California. The S12 needs to have a fixed magazine and if CMMG are willing to sell this in California, fixed AR style rifles are easier to reload compared to a fixed AK style weapon like the Saiga-12
bong9130 3 years ago
Good luck getting CMMG to sell one in the People's Republik of Kalifornistan, chum. You'd either have to lose the pistol grip or the detachable magazine. I can just see Eugene Stoner doing 120,000 RPM in his casket right now...
ORLY21 3 years ago
I had a newspaper picture of Kalashnikov and Stoner posing together with each of them holding their respective creations for some anniversary deal. Your post just reminded me of that. It was at a gun show in the US or something.
broncobra 2 years ago
ARFCOM - Please get somebody who knows how to use a camera, and have him film these things.
Hiluxtaco 3 years ago