What is a Greek? A Greek is anyone who accepts the idea of Hellenism. It doesn't matter what ethnic ancestry they have or what religion they used to be. A Greek is a person who has left his or her identity for a new one. It sounds like a cult of some sort. This is because they are a hybrid mixture of Vlachs, Gypsies, Albanians, Turks, Anatolian Christian Prosfigs, Jews, Armenians,Slavs, Egyptians and others. I'm just wondering if this rule can apply across the board. Ahah
Buen documento. Gracias por compartirlo. Se hubiera agradecido más datos sobre el encuentro de la tropa alejandrina con las culturas indo-arias de entonces, dado que podría considerarse el primer y único referente de contacto entre la civilización occidental y la oriental, esta última mucho más antigua en cuanto a referentes arqueológicos y literarios se refiere. Saludos.
The influence of Greco-Buddhist art also spread northward towards Central Asia, strongly affecting the art of the Tarim Basin, and ultimately the arts of CHINA, KOREA AND JAPAN.
The influence of Greco-Buddhist art also spread northward towards Central Asia, strongly affecting the art of the Tarim Basin, and ultimately the arts of CHINA, KOREA AND JAPAN.
......Under the Indo-Greeks and then the Kushans, the interaction of Greek and Buddhist culture flourished in the area of GANDHARA, In today’s northern PAKISTAN before spreading further into India, influencing the art of MATHURA
and then the HINDU ART of the GUPTA EMPIRE ,
which was to extend to the rest of South-East Asia.
...... The origins of Greco-Buddhist art are to be found in the Hellenistic Greco-BACTRIAN kingdom (250 BCE- 130 BCE), located in today’s AFGHANISTAN, from which Hellenistic culture radiated into the Indian subcontinent with the establishment of the Indo-Greek kingdom (180 BCE-10 BCE).
....... Greco-Buddhist art is characterized by the strong idealistic realism of Hellenistic art and the first representations of the Buddha in human form, which have helped define the artistic (and particularly, sculptural) canon for Buddhist art throughout the Asian continent up to the present. It is also a strong example of cultural syncretism between eastern and western traditions.
Greco-Buddhist art is the artistic manifestation of Greco-Buddhism, a cultural syncretism between the Classical Greek culture and Buddhism, which developed over a period of close to 1000 years in Central Asia, between the conquests of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE, and the Islamic conquests of the 7th century CE.
Actually there are much more countries who have not recognised those imposters of FYROM, but even those who have recognised them none of them says that they are related to the ancient Macedonians, that's a political and not historical recognition. For example Bulgaria calls Vardarska as Macedonia but they say openly that those so called macedonians are ethnic Bulgarians and have no relation to the genuine Macedonians who are Greeks.
In all of Asia, Alexander and his army is recognised as Greeks, thus they called them Yunans or Yaunas. Alexander himself was called Iskender and apart from the historical sources, all the religious sources like the Bible, the Quran, the Talmud & Buddhism all say the same true thing, ancient Macedonians were undeniably Greeks, so don't pay attention to the lies of the poor Vardarskians who copied the name Macedonian and try to steal their heritage, we all know that they are Bulgarians.
Macedonians among other things, as Greeks they took part in the Olympic games, the Pythina games and the Greek assembly known as Amfiktyonia, those things were only for Greeks but i don't expect a bulgarovardarskian imposter to know these things, so i guess i can also copy the name Alexander the Great and what do u know.......i am Alexander the Great hahahahaha!
The people of Skopje are of Slavic origin, have slavic language, slavic names, culture and toponyms. Their ancestors came to the Balkans after the 6t century A.D. and only a moron can think that they have any relation to the ancient Macedonians. Even the land they occupy with the exception of a small part, was not Macedonia but it was part of Paeonia and Dardania!
It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other HELLENIC tribes and the Macedonians of today (FYROM), who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians.
(David H. Levinson, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures, p. 239)
Greetings......a copied name does not turn a Bulgarian to Macedonian!
--->THE NAMES OF THE GENUINE MAKEDONIANS AND THOSE BORN OF MAKEDONIAN PARENTS ,ESPECIALLY THE NAMES OF THE ELITIC CLASS & NOBLES,IN THEIR FORMATION AND PHONOLOGY ARE PURELY HELLENIC.
Their names are clearly hellenic and the Makedonians were of pure Hellenic origins, one MUST conclude that the hellenic linguistic treasure,was not taken as a loan from them, but it was their own ETHNIC inheritance!
@lekos28 lets just take the name of Aleksandar and his meaning in Macedonian (ancient and modern)
LEK - means medicine, SAN or SLAN(ce) means sun and DAR means gift. So out of this we can see that the name of Aleksandar means medicine gift from the sun. This is only one evidence of the macedonian logic behind the macedonian names.
And I would like to stress again in ARABIC COUNTRIES everybody knows him as ALEKSANDAR and nobody knows him as Alexandros or how do you name him.
What crap are u talking about Vardarskian? Where did u see the name Aleksandar? Nowhere, the name found in every tablet is ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ and the subsequent latinized form Alexander. Alexandros is derived from the words ALEXO (PROTECT) and ANDROS (genitive form of the word anir = man). Philippos from the words Philos (friend) and Ippos (Horse). Why can't u read the ancient Macedonian tablets? Cause it's all Greek to you an dyour Bulgarian dialect? Shall i go on with the toponyms?
los descendientes de griegos en america, queremos cumplir el sueño de Alejandro Helenizar el Mundo, comenzando por latinoamerica. Que cada persona pueda aprender Griego, aprender a pensar estudiando a los antiguos Griegos, la cultura de la antigua Grecia. contactarse a phatourosdertouzos@gmail.com
Albanians are so lame that they took the GrecoSerbian Georgio Kastrioti and named him their national hero, especially when there was no Albania in the Balkans at that time, they sre so lame.
24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROMs Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
W. J. Woodhouse, Australian historian: "This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrants of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians." ("The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C", p.216, University Tutorial Press)
"Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I (Alexander I) am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery" [Herodotus Book IX ,45,(Kalliopi)]
"Macedonia (FYROM) was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture of propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel, probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted."
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LOS GRIEGOS DE HOY EN GRECIA NO TIENEN NADA EN COMUN CON LOS ANTIGUOS GRIEGOS! SON FALSOS GRIEGOS ! SON MENTIROSOS , , CREIDOS , EGOISTAS Y RACISTAS !
@MACEDONIANfalanx Macedonia nunca fue parte de Grecia, y los antiguos macedonios no eran considerados como los antiguos griegos. Muy por el contrario - los macedonios conquistaron Grecia y esclavizaron a los griegos durante siglos hasta que Roma conquistó Macedonia en el 168 aC
The fact that a bunch of slavs (FYROM) copied the Greek name of Macedonia does not make them Macedonians. Just like Tito they did that for imperialistic purposes and to hide behind a Greek historical name, their Bulgarian origin. That's also why they want to be named Macedonians, cause unlike the Greeks they have no fact to relate them to the ancients. Pathetic!
Macedonians are only the Greeks, just like Andalousians can be only the Spanish. If a fireign country copies the name Andalousia that does not make them Andalousians.
Sarah B. Pomeroy, Stanley M. Burstein, Walter Donlan , Jennifer Tolbert Roberts:
"For their part, the fifth-century Macedonian kings used their newfound wealth to pursue their twin goals of winning recognition for themselves as Greeks and Hellenizing the life of the royal court."
("Ancient Greece. A Political, Social, and Cultural History", Oxford University Press, USA, 1998)
W. J. Woodhouse, Australian historian: "This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrants of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians." ("The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C", p.216, University Tutorial Press)
"Macedonia was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel,probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted."
The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one.
Eugene N. Borza, "Macedonia Redux", in "The Eye Expanded: life and the arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity",
Búlgaros, los eslavos llegaron a la zona de los Balcanes el norte de Grecia en el 6 º - siglo 10 y no tienen absolutamente ninguna conexión con los macedonios antiguos. leer sobre él. BULGARIA: А Б В Г Д Е Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ю Я F.Y.R.O.M.: А Б В Г Д Ѓ Е Ж З Ѕ И Ј К Л Љ М Н Њ О П Р С Т Ќ У Ф Х Ц Ч Џ Ш Agregar 5 letras de Tito en 1944 que no lo hace un "Macedonia" alfabeto agregó: ЃЅЈЉЊЌЏ eliminado: ЙЩЪЮЯ
"General Paulus of Rome surrounded by the ten Commissioners took his official seat surrounded by the whole crowds of Macedonians...Paulus announced in Latin the decisions of the Senate, as well as his own, made by the advice of his council. This announcement was translated into Greek and repeated by Gnaeus Octavius the Praetor-for he too was present."
"There was a PERSISTENT, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles-who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house. "
[E Borza (1990) In The Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon pg. 80.]
"In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
The Macedonian royal house was called "Argeads" or "Temenidae". According to the tradition, the founder of the royal house Perdiccas - even if the name of the founder differs in reference with the ancient source used - along with his brothers, the "Temenidae" came to the place called Macedonia from the Greek city of Argos (southern Greece). These Temenidae were descendants of Heracles, through Temenus, thus they were called also 'Heracleids'.
W. J. Woodhouse, Australian historian: "This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrants of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians." ("The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C", p.216, University Tutorial Press)
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@EmpireanLegions It is difficult for modern Greeks to accept that everything has its time and that the so-called ancient "Greeks" ceased to exist a long, long time ago. !It is difficult for them to accept the fact that; like the modern Macedonians, they are the product of evolution, of mixing and matching.
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@EmpireanLegions That the ancient Macedonians did not regard the Greeks as their relatives.
Alexander the Great was a Greek king, the Greeks did not regard as kin. Alexander the Macedonian Army was not a Greek army. The conquest of Alexander of Macedonia was not a Greek conquest.
Ancient Macedonians were just that - Macedonians and the Greeks looked with contempt. ! ERES GITANO NO GRIEGO !
@EmpireanLegions o my poor greek friend ''Greekness of ancient Macedonia'' haha
during the whole history greeks were looking all of the time with disrespect towards us the Macedonians and you (greeks) were considering us(macedonians) as barbarians.
one strong evidence is the work ''filipiki'' of famious Greek philosofer Demosten where he claimed the Filip 2 the father of Aleksandar 3 is a low lame barbarian and Macedonians were seens as low second class of people. But now we are greeks:)))
@lekos28 the claim that Macedonians are Greeks is same like to say French are Germans. Macedonian language was and still is different then Greek. Only see the names Makedonija, Filip, Aleksandar with the Greek version Macedonia, Filipos, Aleksandros and go in the Arabic world and ask about Aleksandar Makedonski thats the only way they know him.
But off-course you greeks can go and talk with western Europe and America about the greeknes of macedonia couse they didn't had contact with Aleksandar
Don't make me laugh boy. First of all you are not Macedonians, you are slavs and specifically Bulgarians and you just copied the name Macedonian nothing more, the whole world laughs at you and your fallacy. As for Demosthenis he called all his rivals barbarians even the Atnenean orator Aristogeiton.
Get some education and don't manifest your tendencey to ridicule!
Poor Vardarskian, what makes u think that u are macedonian? You are just a Bulgarian who copied the name Macedonian and you have no relation to the ancients. Demosthenis never called Alexander a barbarian, he called Philip and that's why he was his political rival and he called barbarians all his political rivals even the Athenean Aristogeiton. Wake up Bulgar, Skopje in antiquity was the capital of Dardania!
ADVERTENCIA! En la ARYM hablan búlgaro y griego no! Los habitantes de la ARYM son búlgaros y hablar el mismo idioma con los búlgaros en Bulgaria, tienen las mismas tradiciones con los albaneses de Albania y los turcos de Turquía!
"Macedonia was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel,probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted."
You simply ignore the fact that Nobody had invaded Macedonia in 1913 but instead during the first Balkan war, the Balkan coalition between Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Montenegro INVADED OTTOMAN EMPIRE, for the liberation of the Bulgarians, Greek and Serbs who lived there.
Istoriiify, and do you speak about Racism? Do you know that in education in FYROM says "According the Macedonian Lord Btw, there are three races: the White-Macedonoidis, the Yellow-Mongoloids and the Black-Negroids. The rest-all are Mullatos(Bastards)!!!! lol, What is this??? So, do you speak about Racicm????
Hombre pobre ! los griegos que viven en Griecia me dan lastima ! los lavan el cerebro de chicitito ,pero vos que no viven en grecia eres ignorante ! sabes que solo en norte de Grecia (Macedonia ) ews obligatorio que los chicos empesan Jardin de 2 años y es pagado todo por estado Griego ! Atencion ; solo en Macedonia y gratis !!
@istoriify a ademas por q no les quentas a la gente tambien lo q crees q los griegos son?!...no dijiste negros africanos de ethopia!...va quenta lo y ya veras como todo el mundo se rie de ti !
@istoriify jajaja fallmayr? vas en serio xDDDD ...solo idiotas toman fallmayr como ejemplo..como el no tenia ningun conocimiento antropologico o histroial..el tenia una vision romantika personal
@istoriify 1) hli8ie stamata na xrhsimopoieis ton tragiko google translator 2) mas exeis zalisei me tis #### pou vgazeis apo to kefali sou! to xeis katalavei?
@istoriify mentira ... ya te dijo q los sarakatsanoi son un buen ejemplo q si que hay griegos hoy en dia q tienen sangre hellenica atnigua!.....tu propaganda de inutil no funciona en un pais europeo...ententa lo en un pais q no tienen libros!
La frase correcta en español es que Macedonia es el griego!
Los antiguos griegos hablaban griego, como Ellos hablar griego hoy!!!
Y ADVERTENCIA! Los búlgaros de la ARYM no tienen nada que ver con los griegos modernos en Grecia y no hay nada en común con los antiguos griegos de Macedonia! Los macedonios eran griegos como lo son hoy!
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@lekos28 Θυμάστε τό πρώτο Σύνταγμα τής Επιδαύρου τό 1822; Μόλις έστησαν ελεύθερη τήν πατρίδα αυτοί οι μαρτυρικοί αγωνιστές, θέλησαν νά ορίσουν στό Σύνταγμα ποιός είναι ο Έλληνας
πολίτης τού νεοσύστατου κρ. Καί δέν είχαν πού αλλού νά εντοπίσουν τήν ελληνική ιδιότητα παρά μόνο στήν πίστη: “Όσοι αυτόχθονες κάτοικοι τής Επικρατείας τής Ελλάδος πιστεύουσιν εις Χριστόν, εισίν Έλληνες”.άτους
The twentieth-century development of a 'Macedonian' ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the 'Macedonians', who have had no history, need one.
Eugene N. Borza, "Macedonia Redux", in "The Eye Expanded: life and the arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity",
la mayoria de la poblacion de Grecia ante de 1830, no hablaba Griego ! griegos hablaban solo los ; comerciante los curas y los ricos ! hay muchos libros escrito sobre esto ! por cierto en Grecia estan proibidos ,
en exterior los puedes encontrar y leer ! veo que hablas Aleman los Alemanes crearun el estado y la nacion Griega ! hombre pobre anda en una BIBLIOTECA
@istoriify blablabla ...lo0s hombre pobres como los llamas tu (los Sarakatsanoi) son exactamente lo que a ti te gustaria ser..makedoneses..ademas fue la region cosmopolitica..los griegos simple mente la limpiarion despues de liberarse de los ottomanos...y tu (como slavo) fueste uno de las personas q no hablaban griego y fueron hechado
vive con eso retrasado mental ...eres pathetico ..y das pena che
lekos28!lMacedonia es ocupada de los Griegos Modernos 1913 1! ustedes que dicen que son Macedonios ! en realidad son refugiados Gitanos ortodoxos de Azia Menor llegaron 1923 en macedonia ! esta es verdad !
usted ni si quere habla Griego ! tu hablas de odio ! xa xa mas grande racistas i egoistas de los Griegos moderno no hay en Europa !
Usted simplemente ignoran el hecho de que nadie había invadido Macedonia en 1913, pero en lugar durante la guerra de los Balcanes en primer lugar, la coalición de los Balcanes entre Bulgaria, Serbia, Grecia y Montenegro INVADIDO Imperio Otomano, por la liberación de los búlgaros, griegos y serbios que vivían allí.
Istoriiify, y que hablar de racismo? ¿Sabe usted que en la educación en la ARYM dice: "Según el macedonio Señor Por cierto, hay tres razas:. Macedonoidis el blanco, el amarillo mongoloides y negroides del Negro-El resto, todos son mulatos (Bastardos )!!!! lol , ¿Qué es esto??? Así que, ¿hablar de Racicm????
Búlgaros -eslavos llegaron a la zona de los Balcanes el norte de Grecia en el 6 º - siglo 10 y no tienen absolutamente ninguna conexión con los macedonios antiguos . leer sobre él.
No sé español, yo hago la traducción de la de Google.
Lo que escribe vontenek-istoriify es de los sitios anti-griego! Fyromians han llenado toda la Internet con la basura, la desinformación, la malicia, el odio contra Grecia! Lo único que puedo decir es que siento pena por ellos! Pero la malicia y el odio es todo lo que saben que tienen en su país, esta es una característica de SlavoBulgarian de la ARYM!
Saludos desde Grecia, donde es el verdadero Macedonia!
@RedDeadRevolva ! cabron sabe usted donde se encuentra Macedonia ! Grecia es cuna del RACISMO! que no hablas que opinas sobre algo que no tienes puta idea !
@istoriify jajajaj de la estas cagando...no puedes soportar q tu no eres makedones...ademas se donde esta makedonia mi familia vive en serres inutil de mierda jajaja ...y tu ? ...vos otros no soys de makedonia si no de vardalandia
..y te enfadas porque tu propaganda de retrasado mental no sirve pa nada...tu no eres makedones si no slavo ...vive con ese facto! y deja de jugar el rediculo
@RedDeadRevolva ! Hommbre pobre ! yo vivo en Voden (Edesa) pokos kilometros de PELA ! el corazon de Macedonia! I es cierto que eres de Seres TIENES QUE SABER ANTE DE LA OCUPACION DE MACEDONIA 1913 DE PARTE DE LOS SUPUESTO GRIEGOS NO HABIA GRIEGOS EN MACEDONIA !
@RedDeadRevolva °! QUE SOLO 10% DE LA POBLACION HABLABA GRIEGO MODERRNO ! QUE NO ERAN GRIEGOS , ERAN, VLACHOS ERMENIOS JUDIOS , POBRES HOMBRES, (como tu)
Enciclopedia Británica: Como las invasiones de la península de los Balcanes desde el norte continúa de forma intermitente búlgaros durante los próximos cuatro siglos, el elemento turco en la composición de origen búlgaro se vio reforzada por las cepas derivadas de los pechenegos, cumanos y cumanos-todos los pueblos turcos.
Enciclopedia Británica: En este período de Bulgaria se convirtió en un centro cultural del este de Europa, especialmente famosa por sus escuelas literarias de Preslav (ahora Veliki Preslav) y Ohrid. Τhe búlgaros y eslavos habían fusionado en un eslavo de habla, la gente cristianizados esencialmente idéntico al del día de hoy búlgaros.
Nombre de Kumanovo !!!!! Kumanovo (Vardarskian: Куманово, albanés: Kumanovë) es thе tercera ciudad más grande en el Vardarskian (después de Skopje y Bitola) y es la sede de Kumanovo Municipio que es el municipio más grande en el país .
El nombre de la ciudad en albanés y turco es Kumanova, mientras que en Serbia y Bulgaria, es la misma que en Vardarskian: Kumanovo (Куманово). La etimología del nombre está conectado con la invasión cumanos en la zona en el siglo 12 temprano.
El nombre de la ciudad en albanés y turco es Kumanova, mientras que en Serbia y Bulgaria, es la misma que en Vardarskian: Kumanovo (Куманово). La etimología del nombre está conectado con la invasión cumanos en la zona en el siglo 12 temprano.
Τhe búlgaros y eslavos habían fusionado en un eslavo de habla, la gente cristianizados esencialmente idéntico al del día de hoy búlgaros. Las huellas de los cumanos son también los búlgaros apellido Kumanov (femenino Kumanova), su variante Vardarskian Kumanovski (femenino Kumanovska).
El búlgaro es mutuamente inteligible con el lenguaje Vardarskian. Un ejemplo más notable de anacronismo es el Servicio de San Cirilo de Skopje (Скопски миней), un manuscrito del siglo 13 Medio búlgaro desde el norte de Vardarska según la cual San Cirilo predicó con "búlgaro" libros entre los eslavos de Moravia.
cumanos (turco: Kuman / kumanlar plural) eran nómadas Oeste pueblo turco que habitó una zona situada al norte desplazamiento del Mar Negro, conocido como Cumania a lo largo del río Volga. Los cumanos, los cumanos occidentales eran conocidos como los cumanos (Kumans, Kuns) y los eslavos de Moravia asimilados y se establecieron en Vardarska, luego se convirtió al cristianismo y se fundió en un eslavo de habla, la gente cristianizados esencialmente idéntico al del día de hoy búlgaros (Volgarians).
Búlgaros, los eslavos llegaron a la zona de los Balcanes el norte de Grecia en el 6 º - siglo 10 y no tienen absolutamente ninguna conexión con los macedonios antiguos. leer sobre él. BULGARIA: А Б В Г Д Е Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ю Я F.Y.R.O.M.: А Б В Г Д Ѓ Е Ж З Ѕ И Ј К Л Љ М Н Њ О П Р С Т Ќ У Ф Х Ц Ч Џ Ш Agregar cinco cartas en 1944 de Tito que no significa que sea una "Macedonia" alfabeto agregó: ЃЅЈЉЊЌЏ eliminado: ЙЩЪЮЯ
La pregunta del 'rumano valacos "fue inventado principalmente por Gustav Weigand. Según él, los valacos eran considerados rumanos porque los valacos estaban usando un dialecto greco-latino. Otros historiadores de la época, tales como Momsen, Krumwacher y Korting desestimó dichas reclamaciones. Edward Stanford escribió en 1877 que el griego-valacos fueron para los griegos lo galeses fueron a Inglés.
@Istorylies !ignorante Turco gitano!! los macedonios fueron llamados barbaros, una etiqueta que los antiguos griegos, atribuir sólo a todos los no griegos.
@istoriify me das pena por que no sabes como defender te...los sarakatsanos son mucho mas ...tu habre un libro y deja de elijir education de wiki ..porque suenas como un fracasado ...los sarakatsanoi son nativos griegos y ademas makedones!...halgo de qual tu solo puedes sonyar ...jajaja
@RedDeadRevolva ! vivo en Macedonia , conosco los habitante que viven en Macedonia !los griegos dicen que todos habitante de grecia son griegos!" en realidat nada es griego en grecia !" en grecia no hay griegos , hay gente vieja en pelopones que no habla griego !ustedes de donde se informira de la propagana<da Griega !hasta dicen que los turcos que viven en grecia son griegos !
@istoriify tonteria ...por su puesto no todas las personas en grecia son griegos...una nacion no tiene q ver nada con ethnica...pero es verdat q en grecia viven mas de "una raza" q por ejemplo en otros paises...eso es la verdat si te gusta o no ...y decir q "nada en grecia es griego no solo es ignorante si ademas estupido"
@RedDeadRevolva ! en Grecia no puedes desir que no eres Griego((,por ejemplo como en otros paises)) si lo9 dices vas a perder su trabajo , su negocios i hasta puedes terminar preso ,,ignorante sos vos ! pobre hombre
@istoriify mentira! parece q nunca hac estado en grecia! eso es absoltamente tonteria!
grecia forma parte de la UE y eso sicnifica q hay ambos estandarts ...y segura mente en grecia puedes decir q eres extranjero...pero si te digo la verdat si te escucho no me sorprende q gente como tu pierde el trabajo ...
@RedDeadRevolva ! yo soy Macedonio ,de parte que los Griegod ocuparun 1913! no estoy ablando de los extranjeros , estoy hablando de grupos etnicos en Grecia ,
@istoriify tonteria...como ya de dijo los grupos no griegos q vivieron siglos en makedonia no bienen de alli! ...yo soy original makedones..(sarakatsanos formamos parte de los Dorians) y tu? tu eres un slavo y no bienes de la region Pella y Thessalonika es Griega igual q makedonia! ... vivimes alli mas de 3 mil anyos....y tu? de donde bienes ?
@istoriify espero q sepas q vivir en una ciudat or ser nacido alli no cambia tu sangre...tu eres slavo ...y no me puedo enmajinar q sepas como se llama tu "tribu nativa" ...no es asin?
@istoriify eres retrasado mental?...te dije ya antes ..que 80% o mas de los griegos son griegos de otras partes...tambien de dije q yo porejemple soy sarakatsanos...y q somso nativos de la region makedonia ...pero esa realidat de duele tanto q la tienes q negar :) ...pregunto otra vez...de donde bienes tu?...qual es tu "tribu nativa" ?...lo ves no lo sabes por q no eres nada mas q un slavo
What is a Greek? A Greek is anyone who accepts the idea of Hellenism. It doesn't matter what ethnic ancestry they have or what religion they used to be. A Greek is a person who has left his or her identity for a new one. It sounds like a cult of some sort. This is because they are a hybrid mixture of Vlachs, Gypsies, Albanians, Turks, Anatolian Christian Prosfigs, Jews, Armenians,Slavs, Egyptians and others. I'm just wondering if this rule can apply across the board. Ahah
MACEDONIA FOREVER
MacedonianPowerful 6 months ago
Buen documento. Gracias por compartirlo. Se hubiera agradecido más datos sobre el encuentro de la tropa alejandrina con las culturas indo-arias de entonces, dado que podría considerarse el primer y único referente de contacto entre la civilización occidental y la oriental, esta última mucho más antigua en cuanto a referentes arqueológicos y literarios se refiere. Saludos.
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MillTrojanMeAgain 10 months ago
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@SPARTANsenator7
maxstar333 1 year ago
where are them?
maxstar333 1 year ago
@maxstar333
watch?v=5eaO6GaW-ks
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
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GRECO-BUDDHIST ART
The influence of Greco-Buddhist art also spread northward towards Central Asia, strongly affecting the art of the Tarim Basin, and ultimately the arts of CHINA, KOREA AND JAPAN.
WIKIPEDIA
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GRECO-BUDDHIST ART
The influence of Greco-Buddhist art also spread northward towards Central Asia, strongly affecting the art of the Tarim Basin, and ultimately the arts of CHINA, KOREA AND JAPAN.
WIKIPEDIA
maxstar333 1 year ago
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maxstar333 1 year ago
......Under the Indo-Greeks and then the Kushans, the interaction of Greek and Buddhist culture flourished in the area of GANDHARA, In today’s northern PAKISTAN before spreading further into India, influencing the art of MATHURA
and then the HINDU ART of the GUPTA EMPIRE ,
which was to extend to the rest of South-East Asia.
WIKIPEDIA
maxstar333 1 year ago
@maxstar333
des ta videos mou gia tis voudistikes piges pou deixnoun tin Ellinikotita twn Makedonwn.
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
...... The origins of Greco-Buddhist art are to be found in the Hellenistic Greco-BACTRIAN kingdom (250 BCE- 130 BCE), located in today’s AFGHANISTAN, from which Hellenistic culture radiated into the Indian subcontinent with the establishment of the Indo-Greek kingdom (180 BCE-10 BCE).
Wikipedia
maxstar333 1 year ago
....... Greco-Buddhist art is characterized by the strong idealistic realism of Hellenistic art and the first representations of the Buddha in human form, which have helped define the artistic (and particularly, sculptural) canon for Buddhist art throughout the Asian continent up to the present. It is also a strong example of cultural syncretism between eastern and western traditions.
Wikipedia
maxstar333 1 year ago
Greco-Buddhist art.
Greco-Buddhist art is the artistic manifestation of Greco-Buddhism, a cultural syncretism between the Classical Greek culture and Buddhism, which developed over a period of close to 1000 years in Central Asia, between the conquests of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE, and the Islamic conquests of the 7th century CE.
Wikipedia
maxstar333 1 year ago
There are two countries in this world with historical memory who have not recognized Skopje under the name Macedonia.
Afghanistan and India.
They do remember and know one thing for sure that he who visited their land thousand years ago was Greek and Macedonian.
maxstar333 1 year ago
@maxstar333
Actually there are much more countries who have not recognised those imposters of FYROM, but even those who have recognised them none of them says that they are related to the ancient Macedonians, that's a political and not historical recognition. For example Bulgaria calls Vardarska as Macedonia but they say openly that those so called macedonians are ethnic Bulgarians and have no relation to the genuine Macedonians who are Greeks.
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
@lekos28
In all of Asia, Alexander and his army is recognised as Greeks, thus they called them Yunans or Yaunas. Alexander himself was called Iskender and apart from the historical sources, all the religious sources like the Bible, the Quran, the Talmud & Buddhism all say the same true thing, ancient Macedonians were undeniably Greeks, so don't pay attention to the lies of the poor Vardarskians who copied the name Macedonian and try to steal their heritage, we all know that they are Bulgarians.
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
Macedonians among other things, as Greeks they took part in the Olympic games, the Pythina games and the Greek assembly known as Amfiktyonia, those things were only for Greeks but i don't expect a bulgarovardarskian imposter to know these things, so i guess i can also copy the name Alexander the Great and what do u know.......i am Alexander the Great hahahahaha!
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
Vardarska is Bulgaria!
SkopjeTatarovski 1 year ago
The people of Skopje are of Slavic origin, have slavic language, slavic names, culture and toponyms. Their ancestors came to the Balkans after the 6t century A.D. and only a moron can think that they have any relation to the ancient Macedonians. Even the land they occupy with the exception of a small part, was not Macedonia but it was part of Paeonia and Dardania!
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It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other HELLENIC tribes and the Macedonians of today (FYROM), who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians.
(David H. Levinson, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures, p. 239)
Greetings......a copied name does not turn a Bulgarian to Macedonian!
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
--->THE NAMES OF THE GENUINE MAKEDONIANS AND THOSE BORN OF MAKEDONIAN PARENTS ,ESPECIALLY THE NAMES OF THE ELITIC CLASS & NOBLES,IN THEIR FORMATION AND PHONOLOGY ARE PURELY HELLENIC.
Their names are clearly hellenic and the Makedonians were of pure Hellenic origins, one MUST conclude that the hellenic linguistic treasure,was not taken as a loan from them, but it was their own ETHNIC inheritance!
lekos28 1 year ago
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@lekos28 lets just take the name of Aleksandar and his meaning in Macedonian (ancient and modern)
LEK - means medicine, SAN or SLAN(ce) means sun and DAR means gift. So out of this we can see that the name of Aleksandar means medicine gift from the sun. This is only one evidence of the macedonian logic behind the macedonian names.
And I would like to stress again in ARABIC COUNTRIES everybody knows him as ALEKSANDAR and nobody knows him as Alexandros or how do you name him.
All best neighbour.
okrob100 1 year ago
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What crap are u talking about Vardarskian? Where did u see the name Aleksandar? Nowhere, the name found in every tablet is ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ and the subsequent latinized form Alexander. Alexandros is derived from the words ALEXO (PROTECT) and ANDROS (genitive form of the word anir = man). Philippos from the words Philos (friend) and Ippos (Horse). Why can't u read the ancient Macedonian tablets? Cause it's all Greek to you an dyour Bulgarian dialect? Shall i go on with the toponyms?
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
@okrob100
Here Bulgar fakedonian, educate yourself about the etymologies of the real macedonian names......
watch?v=wx9pdDjN-EQ
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los descendientes de griegos en america, queremos cumplir el sueño de Alejandro Helenizar el Mundo, comenzando por latinoamerica. Que cada persona pueda aprender Griego, aprender a pensar estudiando a los antiguos Griegos, la cultura de la antigua Grecia. contactarse a phatourosdertouzos@gmail.com
PHATOUROSDERTOUZOS 1 year ago
Albanians fight against the revolution of 1821, they were the pets of the Ottomans, wake up albananian.
bobomk00 1 year ago
albos accuse all other of stealing when they are the thieves, son't lose your time with them!
MACEDONIANbybirth 1 year ago
Albanians are so lame that they took the GrecoSerbian Georgio Kastrioti and named him their national hero, especially when there was no Albania in the Balkans at that time, they sre so lame.
GeorgiosKastriotis1 1 year ago 2
Albanians are the biggest thieves in the Ballkans
FYROMsucks 1 year ago
Albanians are stinking turksperms
Dark0sk92 1 year ago
hahaha the albo is very funny, he tries to present Greeks who fucked albanians as albanians, i feel sorry for you!
LillyrianLion 1 year ago
24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROMs Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."
arenotMacedonians 1 year ago 3
istoriify a typical liar, he has been busted many times, what a clown gypsy
DANYELAHOWE 1 year ago
macedonia is only Greek
PrincessOfMac3donia 1 year ago
FYROMians sono gitanos
LillyrianLion 1 year ago
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
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MACEDONIANfalanx 1 year ago
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W. J. Woodhouse, Australian historian: "This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrants of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians." ("The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C", p.216, University Tutorial Press)
MACEDONIANfalanx 1 year ago
istoriify = turksperm bastard paid to spread lies all day!
MACEDONIANfalanx 1 year ago
@istoriify
Wake up turksperm bastard. Pare mas mia pipa re gyftoula.
MACEDONIANfalanx 1 year ago
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@istoriify
"Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I (Alexander I) am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery" [Herodotus Book IX ,45,(Kalliopi)]
hahahaha mongrel
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
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T.J. Winnifrith, British scholar:
"Macedonia (FYROM) was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture of propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel, probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted."
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
@istoriify
another lie by the tatarovardarskian, why don't u show where did u see that macedonians did not consider themselves Greek? Come on turksperm
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
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LOS GRIEGOS DE HOY EN GRECIA NO TIENEN NADA EN COMUN CON LOS ANTIGUOS GRIEGOS! SON FALSOS GRIEGOS ! SON MENTIROSOS , , CREIDOS , EGOISTAS Y RACISTAS !
istoriify 1 year ago
istoriify=gitano turk
MACEDONIANfalanx 1 year ago 2
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@MACEDONIANfalanx Macedonia nunca fue parte de Grecia, y los antiguos macedonios no eran considerados como los antiguos griegos. Muy por el contrario - los macedonios conquistaron Grecia y esclavizaron a los griegos durante siglos hasta que Roma conquistó Macedonia en el 168 aC
istoriify 1 year ago
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@MACEDONIANfalanx !EISAI TOURKOSPOROS KAI FENESE RE POUSTIS!
istoriify 1 year ago
FYROMians are gypsies and istoriify is one of them, a paid propagandist whom even kids laugh upon!
MACEDONIANfalanx 1 year ago 3
The fact that a bunch of slavs (FYROM) copied the Greek name of Macedonia does not make them Macedonians. Just like Tito they did that for imperialistic purposes and to hide behind a Greek historical name, their Bulgarian origin. That's also why they want to be named Macedonians, cause unlike the Greeks they have no fact to relate them to the ancients. Pathetic!
oVODENEC 1 year ago 4
Macedonians are only the Greeks, just like Andalousians can be only the Spanish. If a fireign country copies the name Andalousia that does not make them Andalousians.
Dark0sk92 1 year ago 6
Facts are clear, Macedonians were Greeks and even their name is Greek.
MACEDONIANbybirth 1 year ago 6
Sarah B. Pomeroy, Stanley M. Burstein, Walter Donlan , Jennifer Tolbert Roberts:
"For their part, the fifth-century Macedonian kings used their newfound wealth to pursue their twin goals of winning recognition for themselves as Greeks and Hellenizing the life of the royal court."
("Ancient Greece. A Political, Social, and Cultural History", Oxford University Press, USA, 1998)
MACEDONIANbybirth 1 year ago 7
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W. J. Woodhouse, Australian historian: "This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrants of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians." ("The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C", p.216, University Tutorial Press)
MACEDONIANbybirth 1 year ago 4
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Where the Hellenic city-states had failed, the culturally backward GREEK kingdom of Macedon came within an ace of success;
That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain.
R. Malcolm Errington, A History of MacedoniaUniversity of California Press, February 1993,
MACEDONIANbybirth 1 year ago 4
@istoriify
It is more difficult for a Bulgarian like you to accept the fact that Macedonians were Greeks. Stop stealing history from others clown.
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago 10
T.J. Winnifrith, British scholar:
"Macedonia was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel,probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted."
lekos28 1 year ago 17
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The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one.
Eugene N. Borza, "Macedonia Redux", in "The Eye Expanded: life and the arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity",
lekos28 1 year ago 4
"No pretendemos ser descendientes de Alejandro Magno." "Estamos eslavos y hablan una lengua eslava."
[ARYM el embajador en Washington, la Sra. Ljubica Acevshka, 22 de enero de 1999]
lekos28 1 year ago 10
"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great." "We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."
[FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, 22 January 1999]
lekos28 1 year ago 8
Búlgaros, los eslavos llegaron a la zona de los Balcanes el norte de Grecia en el 6 º - siglo 10 y no tienen absolutamente ninguna conexión con los macedonios antiguos. leer sobre él. BULGARIA: А Б В Г Д Е Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ю Я F.Y.R.O.M.: А Б В Г Д Ѓ Е Ж З Ѕ И Ј К Л Љ М Н Њ О П Р С Т Ќ У Ф Х Ц Ч Џ Ш Agregar 5 letras de Tito en 1944 que no lo hace un "Macedonia" alfabeto agregó: ЃЅЈЉЊЌЏ eliminado: ЙЩЪЮЯ
lekos28 1 year ago 8
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Todo el mondo ya sabe que los la mayoria de los Griegos modernos son Gitanos !
istoriify 1 year ago
The fakedonians of Vardarska and their propaganda unveiled....enjoy.
watch?v=iZQa-U1v7Ns
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago 4
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"General Paulus of Rome surrounded by the ten Commissioners took his official seat surrounded by the whole crowds of Macedonians...Paulus announced in Latin the decisions of the Senate, as well as his own, made by the advice of his council. This announcement was translated into Greek and repeated by Gnaeus Octavius the Praetor-for he too was present."
(T. Livius,XLV)
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
Macedonia es Griega!
bobomk00 1 year ago
istoriify es un bastardo gitano
oVODENEC 1 year ago 4
"... not much need to be said about the Greekness of ancient Macedonia: it is undeniable."
Ian Worthington, English historian and archaeologist:
("Philip II of Macedon", Yale University, 2008)
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago 5
"There was a PERSISTENT, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles-who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house. "
[E Borza (1990) In The Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon pg. 80.]
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago 5
"In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
Velleius Paterculus, Book I
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Los Macedonios no rean Griego ! malakes ellines xipnan !
istoriify 1 year ago
The Macedonian royal house was called "Argeads" or "Temenidae". According to the tradition, the founder of the royal house Perdiccas - even if the name of the founder differs in reference with the ancient source used - along with his brothers, the "Temenidae" came to the place called Macedonia from the Greek city of Argos (southern Greece). These Temenidae were descendants of Heracles, through Temenus, thus they were called also 'Heracleids'.
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
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Ulrich Wilcken, German historian: "Macedonians were a Greek race and akin to the Dorians." ("Alexander the Great", p. 22)
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
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W. J. Woodhouse, Australian historian: "This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrants of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians." ("The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C", p.216, University Tutorial Press)
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
FYROM's regime pays people who speak many languages to spread its propagandistic lies on the internet, istoriify is one of those paid puppets.
freeMONASTIRI 1 year ago 3
FYROmians are TATARS not macedonians.
arenotMacedonians 1 year ago 4
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@arenotMacedonians ! los griegos son puros Gitanos ! no griegos que macedonios !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
hahaha oust re gyfto
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago 4
@istoriify
poor bastard the only gypsy is you and that's killing you
arenotMacedonians 1 year ago 6
"... not much need to be said about the Greekness of ancient Macedonia: it is undeniable."
Ian Worthington, English historian and archaeologist:
("Philip II of Macedon", Yale University, 2008)
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago 35
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@EmpireanLegions It is difficult for modern Greeks to accept that everything has its time and that the so-called ancient "Greeks" ceased to exist a long, long time ago. !It is difficult for them to accept the fact that; like the modern Macedonians, they are the product of evolution, of mixing and matching.
istoriify 1 year ago
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@EmpireanLegions • Οι πρώτοι Ελληνες ήλθαν μετανάστες στην Μακεδονία το 1912 ακολουθώντας τον ελληνικό στρατό
istoriify 1 year ago
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@EmpireanLegions That the ancient Macedonians did not regard the Greeks as their relatives.
Alexander the Great was a Greek king, the Greeks did not regard as kin. Alexander the Macedonian Army was not a Greek army. The conquest of Alexander of Macedonia was not a Greek conquest.
Ancient Macedonians were just that - Macedonians and the Greeks looked with contempt. ! ERES GITANO NO GRIEGO !
istoriify 1 year ago
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@EmpireanLegions o my poor greek friend ''Greekness of ancient Macedonia'' haha
during the whole history greeks were looking all of the time with disrespect towards us the Macedonians and you (greeks) were considering us(macedonians) as barbarians.
one strong evidence is the work ''filipiki'' of famious Greek philosofer Demosten where he claimed the Filip 2 the father of Aleksandar 3 is a low lame barbarian and Macedonians were seens as low second class of people. But now we are greeks:)))
okrob100 1 year ago
@okrob100
Isn't it true that Demosthenes called them barbarians ?
(A): The speeches of Demosthenes, that deal with Philip as the enemy,
should not be interpreted as an indication of the barbarian origins of
Macedonians, but as an expression of conflict between two different
political systems: the democratic system of the city-state (e.g.Athens)
versus the monarchy (Kingdom of Macedonia).
-----Nicholas Hammond-----
lekos28 1 year ago
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@lekos28 the claim that Macedonians are Greeks is same like to say French are Germans. Macedonian language was and still is different then Greek. Only see the names Makedonija, Filip, Aleksandar with the Greek version Macedonia, Filipos, Aleksandros and go in the Arabic world and ask about Aleksandar Makedonski thats the only way they know him.
But off-course you greeks can go and talk with western Europe and America about the greeknes of macedonia couse they didn't had contact with Aleksandar
okrob100 1 year ago
@okrob100German linguist Otto Hoffman wrote a book with the title Makedonians, their language and their Ethnicity.
-GENERAL HELLENIC CHARACTER OF THE MAKEDONIAN LINGUISTIC TREASURE CAN NOT BE DOUBTED
-None of the names of the Royal House of the Argeades is of Barbarian origins,the roots of the words & their formation is HELLENIC IN EVERYTHING
-ALL the names are BEAUTIFULL,CLEAR,HELLENIC CONSTRUCTIONS --->
lekos28 1 year ago
@lekos28
Ti perimeneis apo to Bulgaroskopiano, o typos einai gia gelia! Mono ta videos mou me tis etymologies na tou deikseis tha pathei shock!
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
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@okrob100
Don't make me laugh boy. First of all you are not Macedonians, you are slavs and specifically Bulgarians and you just copied the name Macedonian nothing more, the whole world laughs at you and your fallacy. As for Demosthenis he called all his rivals barbarians even the Atnenean orator Aristogeiton.
Get some education and don't manifest your tendencey to ridicule!
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
@okrob100
Poor Vardarskian, what makes u think that u are macedonian? You are just a Bulgarian who copied the name Macedonian and you have no relation to the ancients. Demosthenis never called Alexander a barbarian, he called Philip and that's why he was his political rival and he called barbarians all his political rivals even the Athenean Aristogeiton. Wake up Bulgar, Skopje in antiquity was the capital of Dardania!
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
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Macedonians are only the Greeks
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
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Real Macedonians are Greeks not SlavoBulgarians.
EmpireanLegions 1 year ago
Macedonia is Greece
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago 3
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@SPARTANsenator7 ! Macedonia no es Griega! usted no es Griego !!!
istoriify 1 year ago
ADVERTENCIA! En la ARYM hablan búlgaro y griego no! Los habitantes de la ARYM son búlgaros y hablar el mismo idioma con los búlgaros en Bulgaria, tienen las mismas tradiciones con los albaneses de Albania y los turcos de Turquía!
El FYROMians son AlvanoVoulgaroTourkois!
lekos28 1 year ago 3
skase gufto voulgare
deedeegr100 1 year ago
T.J. Winnifrith, British scholar:
"Macedonia was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel,probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted."
lekos28 1 year ago
Istoriiify
You simply ignore the fact that Nobody had invaded Macedonia in 1913 but instead during the first Balkan war, the Balkan coalition between Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Montenegro INVADED OTTOMAN EMPIRE, for the liberation of the Bulgarians, Greek and Serbs who lived there.
lekos28 1 year ago
Istoriiify, and do you speak about Racism? Do you know that in education in FYROM says "According the Macedonian Lord Btw, there are three races: the White-Macedonoidis, the Yellow-Mongoloids and the Black-Negroids. The rest-all are Mullatos(Bastards)!!!! lol, What is this??? So, do you speak about Racicm????
lekos28 1 year ago
Hombre pobre ! los griegos que viven en Griecia me dan lastima ! los lavan el cerebro de chicitito ,pero vos que no viven en grecia eres ignorante ! sabes que solo en norte de Grecia (Macedonia ) ews obligatorio que los chicos empesan Jardin de 2 años y es pagado todo por estado Griego ! Atencion ; solo en Macedonia y gratis !!
istoriify 1 year ago
lo pone muy claro...GRIEGOS...ademas no me sorprente q te hecharon a ti y tu gente...
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva !hay muchos que dicen nomismo que filmayr !!
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify si gente como tu q no sabe lo q dice o/y tiene metas politicas y no historial!
ensenya me una sola fuente seria...y aceptada si puedes!
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@istoriify a ademas por q no les quentas a la gente tambien lo q crees q los griegos son?!...no dijiste negros africanos de ethopia!...va quenta lo y ya veras como todo el mundo se rie de ti !
makedonia es griega!
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
, puedes empesar con ;Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer era un periodista Austriaco !
lle algo de arquelogo frances Edmond About te vas soprender ! busca el historiador escoces George Finlay
!o mejor fijate que dice arqueologo aleman Ludwig Ross !
muchas suerte !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify jajaja fallmayr? vas en serio xDDDD ...solo idiotas toman fallmayr como ejemplo..como el no tenia ningun conocimiento antropologico o histroial..el tenia una vision romantika personal
mira aqui
/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@istoriify 1) hli8ie stamata na xrhsimopoieis ton tragiko google translator 2) mas exeis zalisei me tis #### pou vgazeis apo to kefali sou! to xeis katalavei?
deedeegr100 1 year ago
@deedeegr100 ! yo hablo espanjol!
I
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V lecos28! los hechos son que usted no es Griego ! que tus bisabuelos , abuelos no hablaba griego moderno ... Macedonia no es Griega
Macedonia es Macedonia
ATENCION!!!! Que los Modernos Griegos de hoy no tiene nada en comun con los Antiguos Griegos
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify mentira ... ya te dijo q los sarakatsanoi son un buen ejemplo q si que hay griegos hoy en dia q tienen sangre hellenica atnigua!.....tu propaganda de inutil no funciona en un pais europeo...ententa lo en un pais q no tienen libros!
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@istoriify
Supongo que usted no habla español correctamente!
La frase correcta en español es que Macedonia es el griego!
Los antiguos griegos hablaban griego, como Ellos hablar griego hoy!!!
Y ADVERTENCIA! Los búlgaros de la ARYM no tienen nada que ver con los griegos modernos en Grecia y no hay nada en común con los antiguos griegos de Macedonia! Los macedonios eran griegos como lo son hoy!
lekos28 1 year ago
@lekos28 ! lekos yo hablo 10 lingua ! entre ellos que español !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify !
No, usted habla de 100 idiomas. Pero, su idioma favorito, es la mentira!
¿Se puede traducir esto?
Alejandro Magno
Clasicismo griego!!!
lekos28 1 year ago 3
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@lekos28 !!den eisai ellines! malaka ! oi pontoi einai tourkogiftoi
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
Kumanos, Yurukos kai palioTurkosporos eisai!!! mas to paizeis kai Slavos!!!
Vlaka e Vlaka!
lekos28 1 year ago 6
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@lekos28 "Ελληνες εΙναι Οσοι ..πιστεΥουν στον ΧριστΟ"
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
Egw den pistevw ston Xristo, kai eimai Ellinas!!
Esu pisteveis sto Xristo kai eisai Voulgaros(kumanos)
Oi Italoi pistevoun sto Xristo kai einai Italoi
Oi Rwssoi pistevoun sto Xristo kai einai Rwssoi!!
Ante kai gamissou esu kai o Xristos sou! PanMalaka Voulgare!
lekos28 1 year ago 13
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@lekos28 Θυμάστε τό πρώτο Σύνταγμα τής Επιδαύρου τό 1822; Μόλις έστησαν ελεύθερη τήν πατρίδα αυτοί οι μαρτυρικοί αγωνιστές, θέλησαν νά ορίσουν στό Σύνταγμα ποιός είναι ο Έλληνας
πολίτης τού νεοσύστατου κρ. Καί δέν είχαν πού αλλού νά εντοπίσουν τήν ελληνική ιδιότητα παρά μόνο στήν πίστη: “Όσοι αυτόχθονες κάτοικοι τής Επικρατείας τής Ελλάδος πιστεύουσιν εις Χριστόν, εισίν Έλληνες”.άτους
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
The twentieth-century development of a 'Macedonian' ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the 'Macedonians', who have had no history, need one.
Eugene N. Borza, "Macedonia Redux", in "The Eye Expanded: life and the arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity",
lekos28 1 year ago 2
@lekos28
pali autos o panivlakas?
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago 5
@lekos28
okrob100 1 year ago
la mayoria de la poblacion de Grecia ante de 1830, no hablaba Griego ! griegos hablaban solo los ; comerciante los curas y los ricos ! hay muchos libros escrito sobre esto ! por cierto en Grecia estan proibidos ,
en exterior los puedes encontrar y leer ! veo que hablas Aleman los Alemanes crearun el estado y la nacion Griega ! hombre pobre anda en una BIBLIOTECA
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify blablabla ...lo0s hombre pobres como los llamas tu (los Sarakatsanoi) son exactamente lo que a ti te gustaria ser..makedoneses..ademas fue la region cosmopolitica..los griegos simple mente la limpiarion despues de liberarse de los ottomanos...y tu (como slavo) fueste uno de las personas q no hablaban griego y fueron hechado
vive con eso retrasado mental ...eres pathetico ..y das pena che
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
lekos28!lMacedonia es ocupada de los Griegos Modernos 1913 1! ustedes que dicen que son Macedonios ! en realidad son refugiados Gitanos ortodoxos de Azia Menor llegaron 1923 en macedonia ! esta es verdad !
usted ni si quere habla Griego ! tu hablas de odio ! xa xa mas grande racistas i egoistas de los Griegos moderno no hay en Europa !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
Usted simplemente ignoran el hecho de que nadie había invadido Macedonia en 1913, pero en lugar durante la guerra de los Balcanes en primer lugar, la coalición de los Balcanes entre Bulgaria, Serbia, Grecia y Montenegro INVADIDO Imperio Otomano, por la liberación de los búlgaros, griegos y serbios que vivían allí.
lekos28 1 year ago
Istoriiify, y que hablar de racismo? ¿Sabe usted que en la educación en la ARYM dice: "Según el macedonio Señor Por cierto, hay tres razas:. Macedonoidis el blanco, el amarillo mongoloides y negroides del Negro-El resto, todos son mulatos (Bastardos )!!!! lol , ¿Qué es esto??? Así que, ¿hablar de Racicm????
lekos28 1 year ago
macedonia is one and is in greece. all the other claims exist only in your dreams
deedeegr100 1 year ago
!! Gitanos de Grecia ;;;los macedonios fueron llamados báabaros, una etiqueta que los antiguos griegos, atribuir a todos los no griegos!
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify Macedonia is ONE and is in GREECE!
deedeegr100 1 year ago
@deedeegr100 S!olo en tu sueños !
istoriify 1 year ago
ALEJANDRO MAGNO
Clasicismo Griego
lekos28 1 year ago
VLACHOS????το 1085 οταν ειχαν συμμαχισει με τους βουλγαρους κατα
του βυζαντιου, και εφτασαν μεχρι την λαρισσα και ονομασαν
την περιοχη μεγαλη βλαχια, μηπως μιλουσαν ελληνικα, πιστευαν
στο 12θεο και ειχαν και ελληνικη συνειδηση?
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify macedonia is one and is in greece. you are a slavobulgar
deedeegr100 1 year ago
@deedeegr100 Macedonia no era ,no es , no va estar Griega ! que ustedes no son Griegos !
istoriify 1 year ago
lekos28! yo no soy Bulgaro! yo soy macedonio de PELA !
istoriify 1 year ago
Kumanovo, Kumans
Búlgaros -eslavos llegaron a la zona de los Balcanes el norte de Grecia en el 6 º - siglo 10 y no tienen absolutamente ninguna conexión con los macedonios antiguos . leer sobre él.
lekos28 1 year ago
@lekos28 ! fige apo edo re turkospore ! oi Vlaxoi einai ellines xa xa xa ! re megalo malaka eisai !
istoriify 1 year ago
@lekos28 pero por su puesto esos fyromeses solo pueden sonyar de eso...pathticos q son
Makedonia ...cuna del Hellenismo
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva
No sé español, yo hago la traducción de la de Google.
Lo que escribe vontenek-istoriify es de los sitios anti-griego! Fyromians han llenado toda la Internet con la basura, la desinformación, la malicia, el odio contra Grecia! Lo único que puedo decir es que siento pena por ellos! Pero la malicia y el odio es todo lo que saben que tienen en su país, esta es una característica de SlavoBulgarian de la ARYM!
Saludos desde Grecia, donde es el verdadero Macedonia!
lekos28 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva ! cabron sabe usted donde se encuentra Macedonia ! Grecia es cuna del RACISMO! que no hablas que opinas sobre algo que no tienes puta idea !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify jajajaj de la estas cagando...no puedes soportar q tu no eres makedones...ademas se donde esta makedonia mi familia vive en serres inutil de mierda jajaja ...y tu ? ...vos otros no soys de makedonia si no de vardalandia
..y te enfadas porque tu propaganda de retrasado mental no sirve pa nada...tu no eres makedones si no slavo ...vive con ese facto! y deja de jugar el rediculo
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva ! Hommbre pobre ! yo vivo en Voden (Edesa) pokos kilometros de PELA ! el corazon de Macedonia! I es cierto que eres de Seres TIENES QUE SABER ANTE DE LA OCUPACION DE MACEDONIA 1913 DE PARTE DE LOS SUPUESTO GRIEGOS NO HABIA GRIEGOS EN MACEDONIA !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify ademas hablas de racismo mientras el rasista mas grande eres tu! ...payaso de mierda xD
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva °! QUE SOLO 10% DE LA POBLACION HABLABA GRIEGO MODERRNO ! QUE NO ERAN GRIEGOS , ERAN, VLACHOS ERMENIOS JUDIOS , POBRES HOMBRES, (como tu)
istoriify 1 year ago
Enciclopedia Británica: Como las invasiones de la península de los Balcanes desde el norte continúa de forma intermitente búlgaros durante los próximos cuatro siglos, el elemento turco en la composición de origen búlgaro se vio reforzada por las cepas derivadas de los pechenegos, cumanos y cumanos-todos los pueblos turcos.
lekos28 1 year ago
Enciclopedia Británica: En este período de Bulgaria se convirtió en un centro cultural del este de Europa, especialmente famosa por sus escuelas literarias de Preslav (ahora Veliki Preslav) y Ohrid. Τhe búlgaros y eslavos habían fusionado en un eslavo de habla, la gente cristianizados esencialmente idéntico al del día de hoy búlgaros.
lekos28 1 year ago
Nombre de Kumanovo !!!!! Kumanovo (Vardarskian: Куманово, albanés: Kumanovë) es thе tercera ciudad más grande en el Vardarskian (después de Skopje y Bitola) y es la sede de Kumanovo Municipio que es el municipio más grande en el país .
lekos28 1 year ago
El nombre de la ciudad en albanés y turco es Kumanova, mientras que en Serbia y Bulgaria, es la misma que en Vardarskian: Kumanovo (Куманово). La etimología del nombre está conectado con la invasión cumanos en la zona en el siglo 12 temprano.
lekos28 1 year ago
El nombre de la ciudad en albanés y turco es Kumanova, mientras que en Serbia y Bulgaria, es la misma que en Vardarskian: Kumanovo (Куманово). La etimología del nombre está conectado con la invasión cumanos en la zona en el siglo 12 temprano.
lekos28 1 year ago
Τhe búlgaros y eslavos habían fusionado en un eslavo de habla, la gente cristianizados esencialmente idéntico al del día de hoy búlgaros. Las huellas de los cumanos son también los búlgaros apellido Kumanov (femenino Kumanova), su variante Vardarskian Kumanovski (femenino Kumanovska).
lekos28 1 year ago
El búlgaro es mutuamente inteligible con el lenguaje Vardarskian. Un ejemplo más notable de anacronismo es el Servicio de San Cirilo de Skopje (Скопски миней), un manuscrito del siglo 13 Medio búlgaro desde el norte de Vardarska según la cual San Cirilo predicó con "búlgaro" libros entre los eslavos de Moravia.
lekos28 1 year ago
cumanos (turco: Kuman / kumanlar plural) eran nómadas Oeste pueblo turco que habitó una zona situada al norte desplazamiento del Mar Negro, conocido como Cumania a lo largo del río Volga. Los cumanos, los cumanos occidentales eran conocidos como los cumanos (Kumans, Kuns) y los eslavos de Moravia asimilados y se establecieron en Vardarska, luego se convirtió al cristianismo y se fundió en un eslavo de habla, la gente cristianizados esencialmente idéntico al del día de hoy búlgaros (Volgarians).
lekos28 1 year ago
Búlgaros, los eslavos llegaron a la zona de los Balcanes el norte de Grecia en el 6 º - siglo 10 y no tienen absolutamente ninguna conexión con los macedonios antiguos. leer sobre él. BULGARIA: А Б В Г Д Е Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ю Я F.Y.R.O.M.: А Б В Г Д Ѓ Е Ж З Ѕ И Ј К Л Љ М Н Њ О П Р С Т Ќ У Ф Х Ц Ч Џ Ш Agregar cinco cartas en 1944 de Tito que no significa que sea una "Macedonia" alfabeto agregó: ЃЅЈЉЊЌЏ eliminado: ЙЩЪЮЯ
lekos28 1 year ago
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify ademas los sarakatsanoi no son ponti...si no nativos griegeos makedoneses...ese lo puedes averiguar por tu mismo...con tu propaganda floja
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@istoriify
La pregunta del 'rumano valacos "fue inventado principalmente por Gustav Weigand. Según él, los valacos eran considerados rumanos porque los valacos estaban usando un dialecto greco-latino. Otros historiadores de la época, tales como Momsen, Krumwacher y Korting desestimó dichas reclamaciones. Edward Stanford escribió en 1877 que el griego-valacos fueron para los griegos lo galeses fueron a Inglés.
lekos28 1 year ago
@Istorylies !ignorante Turco gitano!! los macedonios fueron llamados barbaros, una etiqueta que los antiguos griegos, atribuir sólo a todos los no griegos.
istoriify 1 year ago
RedDeadRevolva !
Una parte de los arrumenos pasaron de usar el arrumeno a usar el griego, son los sarakatsani de Grecia,
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify me das pena por que no sabes como defender te...los sarakatsanos son mucho mas ...tu habre un libro y deja de elijir education de wiki ..porque suenas como un fracasado ...los sarakatsanoi son nativos griegos y ademas makedones!...halgo de qual tu solo puedes sonyar ...jajaja
MAKEDONIA ES GRIEGA
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva ! vivo en Macedonia , conosco los habitante que viven en Macedonia !los griegos dicen que todos habitante de grecia son griegos!" en realidat nada es griego en grecia !" en grecia no hay griegos , hay gente vieja en pelopones que no habla griego !ustedes de donde se informira de la propagana<da Griega !hasta dicen que los turcos que viven en grecia son griegos !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify tonteria ...por su puesto no todas las personas en grecia son griegos...una nacion no tiene q ver nada con ethnica...pero es verdat q en grecia viven mas de "una raza" q por ejemplo en otros paises...eso es la verdat si te gusta o no ...y decir q "nada en grecia es griego no solo es ignorante si ademas estupido"
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva ! en Grecia no puedes desir que no eres Griego((,por ejemplo como en otros paises)) si lo9 dices vas a perder su trabajo , su negocios i hasta puedes terminar preso ,,ignorante sos vos ! pobre hombre
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify mentira! parece q nunca hac estado en grecia! eso es absoltamente tonteria!
grecia forma parte de la UE y eso sicnifica q hay ambos estandarts ...y segura mente en grecia puedes decir q eres extranjero...pero si te digo la verdat si te escucho no me sorprende q gente como tu pierde el trabajo ...
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva ! yo soy Macedonio ,de parte que los Griegod ocuparun 1913! no estoy ablando de los extranjeros , estoy hablando de grupos etnicos en Grecia ,
gitanos !
Turco gitanos colonos (Yoruks)
Albaneses cristianizados!!
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify tonteria...como ya de dijo los grupos no griegos q vivieron siglos en makedonia no bienen de alli! ...yo soy original makedones..(sarakatsanos formamos parte de los Dorians) y tu? tu eres un slavo y no bienes de la region Pella y Thessalonika es Griega igual q makedonia! ... vivimes alli mas de 3 mil anyos....y tu? de donde bienes ?
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva !yo soy de Edesa cerca dePela , unicos griegos en pela son los Gitanos ortodoxos que venirun aqua 1923 de Azia Menor
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify espero q sepas q vivir en una ciudat or ser nacido alli no cambia tu sangre...tu eres slavo ...y no me puedo enmajinar q sepas como se llama tu "tribu nativa" ...no es asin?
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva ! ha ha los refugiados gitanos(negros) de Azia Menor son Macedonios ! xa xa xa ! eisai kai malaka ,
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify eres retrasado mental?...te dije ya antes ..que 80% o mas de los griegos son griegos de otras partes...tambien de dije q yo porejemple soy sarakatsanos...y q somso nativos de la region makedonia ...pero esa realidat de duele tanto q la tienes q negar :) ...pregunto otra vez...de donde bienes tu?...qual es tu "tribu nativa" ?...lo ves no lo sabes por q no eres nada mas q un slavo
MAKEDONIA = GRIEGA
si te gusta o no
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago 2
@RedDeadRevolva Griegos no existen ya que 2 000 años
istoriify 1 year ago
@RedDeadRevolva ! te da verguenca decir que eres Gitanos ?
istoriify 1 year ago