On Extending Payroll Tax Relief for a Full Year: "Let's Solve This Problem Now"

[19EHF]

I think its safe to say the GOP has their head stuck up their ass

[Charlie12241]

If our economy needs to grow for it to be good what happens when it has grown as much as possible?

[naym2011]

ron paul ! enought of this crony capitalism

[threefootable]

Am getting a better understanding of what is a temp job. America ''a great nation'' is being laughed at because of cruel people like Boehner and the lot. A two month deal on Americans is as laughable as America invading North Korea and bring some order to the peoples well being. We all know racial and ignorant attitudes is on display here. China will love to see Republicans in power am sure. Can you imagine another war and what it will do to the U.S. Vote Republicans!!!

[Avelle34]

RON PAUL 2012

[wrodjr]

@Avelle34 lol ron paul is just the new flavor of the month after gingrich was pounced on by th other republicans. lets see how long ron paul last lol

[dogfight001]

@wrodjr He has so many archaic views that date back to Pre World War II Isolationism being one among them

[Avelle34]

@wrodjr any decent conservative over o'bomber.

[wrodjr]

@Avelle34 if you weren't a racist conservative you would see that President Obama has done more than Bush. Look it up! If you don't want to have medicare, medicaid and social security in your old age then vote republicans. they want to get rid of it. Good luck with that

[1Makyo]

@wrong if you weren't an ignorant communist you would see that President Obama has done more to ruin this country than Bush. Look it up! If you don't want to have medicare, medicaid and social security in your old age then vote democrat they will eat your brain. Good luck with that

[stainshield]

@1Makyo Dude you're from Russia and I don't see why American politics are your big concern.

[1Makyo]

@stainshield Family Roots are in Tatarstan. I live in San Diego now.

[dogfight001]

@Avelle34 Ron Paul's Views are as new as vietnam war era fighter jet IT HAS REACHED THE END OF ITS TIME!

[wrodjr]

Boehner is the worse speaker of the house! The teaparty got you by the balls and you run and cry. First you say you want a 2 month extension and then switch to a year. Duh! The teaparty controls you boehner lol Boehner you are part of the problem not the solution. Obama 2012!

[stainshield]

@wrodjr All we can do in 2012 is vote John Bonehead and his fascist Tea Party Dogs out of office.

[WesSeid]

@stainshield That, and vote out the fascists in the Democratic Party too. Including the corporatist sitting in the White House. I wonder if he got his million bucks from Goldman Sachs yet like he did for his 2008 campaign.

Actually, half the Tea Party is good and for honest candidates. It's just the other half got taken over by big-government neocons.

btw, if anyone hasn't, look up how many taxpayer subsidies GM and the Volt are getting. Unreal. Crony capitalism at work.

[1Makyo]

@wrodjr If you want to do something constructive, do what I do.Promote smaller government, less taxation, less regulation, more domestic energy production and a strong military. Impeach communist Obama and his minions. Throw ALL the bums out, keeping only the SMALL government politicians. Be active in your community. Phone, email your congresspersons. Demand attention for your cause. Demonstrate on the streets against these socialists and communists. Keep them at bay

[RangerDangerK]

boehner is the biggest faggot on earth

[InvestWebbot]

Stupid millionaires don't pay income taxes. I read about SEATTLE couple who don't pay taxes.They own mansion.

NO.... NO.... Billionaires will not help you bail you out. Millionaire is heading for poverty. Blame yourself for not paying taxes.

[WesSeid]

Elect Ron Paul, an honest politician, or we're all doomed.

[HemiHead66]

How nice of Boehner to not mention all of his hi-jacker friends demands in public. And I know you're not going to mention the part where Obama will have to get on his knees and suck all yur wilted cocks before letting him have that tax cut. I seem to remember the PNAC Mafia saying something a few months about how tax cuts should never have to be paid for. Tax cuts pay for themselves ya said. They create jobs ya said. Yesterday the House GOP - I mean, PNAC Mafia, said tax cuts don't create jobs.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Lots of people on the left say tax cuts create jobs. You can easily see this when lefty states cut taxes. For instance, California recently renewed big tax cuts for Hollywood, and both lefty Hollywood and the lefty state praised the move and said how many jobs it would save/create.

50 years ago, there was an extra 20% or so tax on gross profits on Hollywood. They made a big stink about how eliminating that tax would create jobs. Maybe we should bring that tax back.

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid That puny tax cut isn't going to create jobs. It's not enought to create real demand for products, which is what creates the jobs. And the GOP are looking to destroy unemployment benefits. They're following Rick Snyder, who has attacked everything since taking office, unemployment, workmens comp, taxed pensions for seniors, raised taxes on the poor etc. etc. Then he hands it all to his corporate crony friends, who have seen massive tax cuts since the 80's & created shit for jobs.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Well, tax cuts don't have to create jobs anyway since it's the people's money, not government's.

Want to end crony capitalism? Vote for Ron Paul.

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid Ya know, if the GOP get their way, this definitely won't create jobs. Just look how they plan on paying for it, by robbing the people they're giving the tax cuts to. They take wages from one set of people and give them to another. But they're not taking them from the rich, who can afford it. They take from the middle class. That's not going to create jobs.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 How are they taking more from the middle class? The only reason the middle class got any tax cuts the last 10 years in the first place is because of the Bush tax cuts. People tend to forget the Bush tax cuts dropped the lowest bracket of 15% all the way down to 10%. If it was up to Dems, none of those cuts would exist.

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid How does it take from the middle class?? Look how the GOP want to pay for the tax cut. They want to raise Medicare premiums. (And those people aren't millionaires.) They want to freeze Govt. workers wages. And there's a scheme where Fannie & Freddy raise their fees so the Govt. can take the money & pay for the tax cut. But Fannie Freddy are owned by the taxpayer, and they're in debt up to their eyeballs. Taking money they raise keep them / us taxpayers in debt. We're robbing ourselves.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Govt workers wages should be frozen. All govt spending should be frozen. (since govt's definition of "a cut" isn't really a cut, but merely a cut in the rate of growth.)

What should be done is taking the payroll money out of elsewhere in govt, not increase taxes in other areas. Though, maybe it's not a bad idea to raise the Fannie/Freddie fees since maybe there will be less incentive to get a loan through them then since F&F should be abolished anyway.

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid As far as the increased revenue, I think it was 2004, when Bush's let his corp. crony multi-national friends bring back a stack of cash on the cheap from overseas. Then there was all the Refi's / people sucking cash outta their homes. I'm sure the tax cuts helped a bit, but was the debt worth it? Those tax cuts didn't X out the debt. No way! For the most part, Bush's increase in revenue was built on a bubble. Obama's 1st year revenue took a 600+ billion hit.

[HemiHead66]

WesSeid As far as Govt. workers wages goes, the GOP have people thinking that teachers & garbage truck drivers are living hi-on-the-hog. Well, they aren't. Those crony politicians need their wages and benefits cut. They should be thrown into the same Social Security & Medicare system as the rest of us. What really needs to be cut is the Military Industrial Complex / bogus war on terror. That's the elite's cash-cow. In 2001, defense was like 300 billion a year, Now its 1+ trillion a year.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Remember that big news story about the protests in Madison, WI? Gov. Walker was cutting back on the teachers union's ridiculous deals and crony bargaining power. The average teacher in Milwaukee County was making over $100,000 in pay/benefits. That's pretty hi-on-the-hog for that area. ...and then, later stories, after schools put the new bargaining rules to work, improved pretty much everything for the districts and kids. Look it up if you don't believe.

[WesSeid]

@WesSeid ...not to mention their pay-0-towards-it pensions that they can collect earlier than people who don't have crony government jobs. 

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid When you put pay & benefits together, yeah, it "looks" like a lot of money. But it's not. The people making that money have probably been teaching a long time. And we're not talking about people with a high school diploma here, go look at the pay of someone in the private sector with the same seniority & education. Then go look at what the real pay rate is for most teachers, starting pay is like 25k a year. Real high on the hog. Teachers aren't city garbage truck drivers ya know.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 It doesn't just "look" like a lot of money. It IS a lot of money. You can look up the Milwaukee County numbers yourself and see.

And then in some areas, teachers get tenure after only three years. 3!  It's not hard to read about ridiculous teacher union contracts across the country.

And then there are teachers unions that have their own union-owned health care entities. And then they and the state "bargain" with that entity. May as well be money laundering.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 One problem with studies that relate teachers' degrees to private sector is they often just categorize them by Bachelors, Masters, etc. But someone with a business or financial degree is likely going to earn more than with a teaching degree of some kind. That's just how it is. So studies like that are often, (not always), kind of rigged.

And then there are non-degree jobs. Should a teacher make more than someone who climbs a pole every day to fix power lines? hmm.

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid As far as the Bush tax cuts go, 450 economists on the right & left told Bush not to pass those tax cuts because it would leave Social Security & Medicare under funded and add shitloads of debt. We're paying for them now with like 2 trillion more in debt. One thing about tax cuts, you can't spend out the wazoo and cut taxes. They have to be paid for. Of coarse the GOP's position all along was that they paid for themselves. But now with Obama's giving the tax cuts, their story has changed

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 I wonder if those are the same economists who didn't see the collapse coming. (fun fact: Ron Paul predicted the housing bubble years before it happened.)

After the 2003 tax cuts, tax revenues increased, and unemployment decreased. For years. Look those up month by month and see for yourself. Also take note of what happens after the Democrats take control of Congress starting in January 2007.

That aside, are a lot of Reps and Dems hypocrites? sure.

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid How could you see a crash coming before it started? But the FBI reported what was going on as it was happening. The fraud and abuse was widespread. Bush used the OCC to strip all 50 states of their consumer protection laws. And Repub & Dem lawmakers tried to fight it, and lost. This was after Bush's Renewing the Dream housing program. His American Dream down payment Act. Increased the commitment of Fannie Freddy by half a trillion bucks etc. etc.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Here's Paul predicting the collapse in 2003, specifically mentioning Fannie/Freddie. /watch?v=ixLAFTUAGG0

Towards the beginning of this video, he predicts it in 2001, specifically mentioning the Federal Reserve's cheap money created to re-bubble the Nasdaq bubble being put into real estate. /watch?v=ohKz9OeiI0g

Anyone who currently isn't planning on voting for Ron Paul should really watch those videos. Imagine having an honest President....

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid @WesSeid And the Democrats couldn't do anything the GOP didn't want after the 2006 election. Lieberman was re-elected by the GOP and went turncoat. The Dems tried to cut a deal with him to let him keep his Homeland Security position and he screwed them. He even voted for McCain. That made the senate 50 - 50 with a Repub Prez. Pelosi couldn't even pass a bill to stop the Wall Street oil manipulators when oil was $147 a barrel.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Since you brought up oil manipulators... where did those manipulators go when oil was at $40? Where did they go when oil was at $75 recently?

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid Just what answer are you looking for on these oil manipulators? They sent oil soaring under Bush as the economy was crashing so the GOP could gain access to protected areas for drilling before Bush left office. Remember the war between the GOP & Dems? In 2000, the GOP / Phil Gram, changed the trading laws when he slipped in that bill that no one read, The Enron loophole / Commodity futures modernization Act, which crippled the CFTC & let oil be traded over the counter outside the NYMEX.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 I would like to know where all the oil manipulators go when oil prices come down. Everyone says how the price is manipulated when it goes up; where were all the manipulators when oil was $40 2-1/2 years ago? Were they on vacation? Why isn't oil currently at $150 if so many people are manipulating it?

Obama isn't letting anyone drill now, (well, no one American, anyway). Why don't the manipulators have oil at $200 right now?

[ralphinator2]

@WesSeid Short term investors make more money faster when the market goes up and down and up again. It is impossible to just keep going up forever at a fast pace.

[WesSeid]

@ralphinator2 Does that mean when oil was $40 a couple years ago it was because of market manipulators?

[1Makyo]

@HemiHead66 Quit lying. Adds nothing to the debate. Makes you look like an idiot.

[HemiHead66]

@1Makyo I never lie! You're just mad because your skunk-rat of a party has imploded. Look around, the GOP slime-balls have lost all support. All they are are lackies for their corporate friends. And when they're not doing that, they're trying to rob the public to free up tax-dollars to be spent on shit that serves their interest. And the Dems aren't much better. I just read that the GOP are shitting bricks, not because of what Ron Paul says, but cuz people are starting to listen. GOP = finished!

[1Makyo]

@HemiHead66 If you want to do something constructive, do what I do.Promote smaller government, less taxation, less regulation, more domestic energy production and a strong military. Impeach communist Obama and his minions. Throw ALL the bums out, keeping only the SMALL government politicians. Be active in your community. Phone, email your congresspersons. Demand attention for your cause. Demonstrate on the streets against these socialists and communists. Keep them at bay

[HemiHead66]

@1Makyo Nice cut and paste. I already read your prior post. I'll take the smaller Govt as long as it doesn't cut important protections for the people. Like those gas fracking idiots poisoning aquifers in 7 states already, and has people sick. Or letting the Wall Street robber-barons run wild to clean us out etc etc. And I want the Military Industrial Complex shut down. They're not protecting us they're bankrupting us and making us less safe. And I want the clean cheap evergy they refuse to use.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Are you going to vote out anyone who voted to bail out those Wall St robber-barons, "too big to fails," and rich guys like Warren Buffett? If so, there's a whole lot of Democrats you need to vote out since they're the main ones who voted to give poor people's money to big banks and rich guys.

And now the too-big-to-fails are even bigger than before. Nice job, guys.

[1Makyo]

@HemiHead66 Anyway, take your lying ass (450 economists) haahah and stuff them up your butt this Christmas you worthless piece of merde.

[HemiHead66]

@1Makyo Yeah, 450 economists, that's what I read on Wiki and another place. Do you want me to show you? Just look up - Bush tax cuts Wiki, you'll see it right there. They said not to pass those cuts cuz it would leave Social Security & Medicare underfunded, and add a bunch of debt.

[naym2011]

@HemiHead66 wikipedia is not a valid source, I just made an edit saying Obama is the son of god 

[HemiHead66]

@1Makyo Hey, Googles front page, Karl Rove is telling the shit-stain GOP to cut & run. I am sooooooo glad that the GOP have shown the people their true colors before the 2012 election. They have done in 11 months what I have been trying to do for 4 years. God bless America. Hopefully, by 2012 the people will be ready to remove every politician up for election. And then finish the jobs when the rest come up.

[WesSeid]

@HemiHead66 Both establishment Dems and Reps are scared to death of Ron Paul winning since they all know he's honest and would put an end to the crony capitalism and special interests from Both parties.

[HemiHead66]

@WesSeid And I hope Ron Paul wins, too. And that's coming from a Democrat. The Dems aren't as evil as the GOP, but when all is said and done, the Dems are driving this country into a wall just like the GOP. Just look at Paul Ryan & Obama's budget numbers, debt of 23 to 24 trillion dollars in 10 years. Their Defense / bogus war on terror spending is going to finish us. The GOP want to rob the poor & mid class to keep funding it. And Obama robs the poor, rich, & mid class to fund it.

[HemiHead66]

Who's the guy behind Boehner, the bone-breaker for Boehner's PNAC Mafia? He keeps all the kiddies in line? And you Conservatives thought Pelosi was bad. I know you'll never admit you made a big mistake filling the House with these ass-bags, that could care less about serving the interests of the people. They have lied about everything they said they were going to do before the election. And the only way they can create a few jobs is by allowing their friends to poison the shit out of us. Nice!

[16Sammie]

Mr Boehner first you were for it, Democrats called your bluff, now your against it!!!

[idris1945]

IT IS NOT A FIGHT ABOUT PAYROLL TAX THOSE BABYLONIAN REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT ARE WORKING ON US LIKE ONE BLOCK USING SCARRING TACTIC TO IMPOSE US A SUPPOSED COMPROMISE BILL THAT INCLUDE THE KEYSTONE XL .THEY ARE PRETENDING TO WORK FOR AMERICAN INTEREST BUT THEY ARE WORKING FOR THEIR BABYLONIAN SECT THEY DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT AMERICA OR AMERICAN .

WHAT KIND OF VERMIN THOSE END OF SEWER ARE ?

[arbitor1701]

They use GENERIC terms to get by to tell the people WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU NEED.

The same GENERIC TERM used by voters in 2012 is voted out,which means YOU SCREWED US ,YOUR FIRED.

[ralphinator2]

We are ALL job creators. After having been laid off 5 times during the last 11 years by the people that you call "job creators", I have become fully self-employed. I created a job for myself, and now I can consistently help create jobs at the local retailers and the local restaurants.

I know that jobs are NOT created by millionaire investors, but by average middle-class CUSTOMERS!  Our economy is driven by demand from the middle-class, not by the beneficence of billionaires.

[19EHF]

@ralphinator2 Oh havent you heard. According to republican philosophy if you make over a million dollars you are classified as a job creator. They wanna whine about "you cant tax the job creators". Right because it would be the apocolypse if we taxed the millionares/billionares who can afford it more than the average bus driver. who have all this money but refuse to invest in american jobs. Where r the jobs? they need to ask Wall St. that question

[arbitor1701]

Everyone in Congress should have there mouth surgically attached to each others anus

with Boner in the middle,making the human centipede a real menace that it is.

[kacplaymyst]

Obama signed the NDAA bill what are you doing about that

[WesSeid]

@kacplaymyst The really interesting part is first Obama said he was going to veto it. But turns out he was only going to veto it because it would have reduced his power to "detain" people indefinitely without charge. Once he got more power in the bill to do whatever he wants like he usually does anyway, he signed it.