John Coltrane Practicing Fours 1956 ( TRADING FOURS AFTER 1 MIN 40 SECS )

[clix089]

what is it about coltrane that makes me want to get my lazy ass off a computer and jam every time i hear him?

[jovesheerwater]

The piece is called "Four". So he is practising "Four" not fours. Good grief. Thanks for sharing.

[musikaudios]

@jovesheerwater Oh God, not this again ... yes the piece is ' Four ' but what he´s doing with the percussionist is called ' trading fours ' in the jazz language. You know what is it ? After around 1 min and 40 seconds they start to trade FOURS. Each one improvises 4 bars.

[jovesheerwater]

@musikaudios Gosh it's almost as if you purposely failed to name the piece they're 'trading' fours on, so that you could land your sucker-punch of condescension flush on my kisser. Well chapeau there, Got me good. Kissed a cow. Obviously you're a man not be trifled with. Nice upload btw

[musikaudios]

@jovesheerwater I didn´t understand anything you wrote. I am brazilian and I don´t understand what you said. The only thing I know is that you first came to this video to correct what I wrote as a title. So I need to tell everyone who corrects the title that they ARE trading fours. And they are doing that as some sort of practice. It is not a live gig and it´s not a studio sessions, recording session. Again : you call it a rehearsal, a practicing or anything similar to that.

[musikaudios]

@musikaudios You Youtube criticizers you pay too much attention on details to correct them instead of simply enjoy the deepness of music. Man, it is SO SIMPLE. I only tried to find a title that could fit with what is happening on this ' video ' - or ' audio ' file. Maybe as I am not american and not british my english is not perfect but anyone who cares more about music than to correct titles I bet they enjoyed it a lot ( and still enjoy ) with their not armed souls. Free your mind.

[musikaudios]

@musikaudios Btw, I added '' TRADING FOURS AFTER 1 MIN 40 SECS '' to the main title. Is it more clear now ?

[markmarktarmann]

@musikaudios Don't worry. We can't understand them either. As the man in "Snatch" said,"speak English! i thought this country spawned the fucking language and so far nobody seems to speak it." heh heh.

[busterbrownation]

@jovesheerwater No offense, but it's extremely ironic of you to call the UPLOADER condescending.

[musikaudios]

@busterbrownation Why the conversation almost never takes a more simple and musical direction ? It is waiste of time trying to judge any person only through words written in a cold screen.

[jovesheerwater]

@busterbrownation None taken. I did thank the uploader for sharing. Very few people do that. 'Ironic'????? Suggest you look up definition.

[khaosx12]

Scratch all'at. Need more proof.

[musikaudios]

@khaosx12 Don´t worry, I will find a time machine, put you in and send right back to that day.

[khaosx12]

... Das not a practice: yet alone a practice on how to play in FOURS... next, a slap percussionist? I'm sure trane would have asked another musician to shed with him...or it would be just himself. The other cover up was the damn picture and the title. U have skills, I hear u, Jack. Just don't impersonate yourself with the pioneers. Be you...

[musikaudios]

@khaosx12 Of course that is a type of practice. You can call it rehearsal or a jam inside home or anything similar, but that is a practice. It is another musician with him, playing in a surface, like many drummers from the past used to do. About the ' damn picture and the title ' , is it so important comparing to the rarity that this archive is ? Sound is more important. And what you mean by ' impersonate yourself with the pioneers ? '

[savealifemusic2]

sorry I watched this and gave you another view count.

[musikaudios]

@savealifemusic2 Sorry I contributed to your favorite videos list.

[musikaudios]

@leolovestrumpet Internet is amazing. It reveals how are actually people´s ears and knowledge.

[30M]

When Trane says: "...trade fours." that's his voice (not that it isn't obvious that it's him playing tenor).

[musikaudios]

@TheJunebug65 Ohhh ... and who is ? You ???

[sirtubbyhayes]

Wow!

[ianhendersonjazz]

If this isn't Trane, someone is doing a hell of a job impersonating him! Though his sound here is darker than I can ever remember, but who knows what this was recorded with.

[alocyn]

No doubt it's Trane! in his mid fifties style... It's widely know that Coltrane left a lot of rehearse recording.

[bobdaryl1]

This is definitely Coltrane. He sounded different in 1956 than in 1960 for example, so maybe you haven't checked out this Trane.

[SteuartHedington]

hey nice hands and heels drumming!!

[ItsKloose]

Im 16 and I can tell its Trane...

[hitzville81]

Plus you can hear his voice.... duh

[hitzville81]

This is cleary trane... The subtones and articulations gave him away....

[coltoncrawfordjazz]

amazing time and feel in his playing. He grooves!

[davesolomon53]

Wow! Where did you find this?.The drummer he's playing with is likely to be Philly Joe Jones who was one of the greatest drummers of all time and could still swing on a telephone book or whatever it is.

[mbase1235]

Plus you can hear it's his voice when he suggests taking fours.

[mbase1235]

It's definitely John Coltrane. Cats can imitate lines, but you can immediately tell it's him by his rhythm and feel, which is almost impossible to imitate. Of course the the tone is an immediately signature also. Well, I should say you can immediately tell if you know what to listen for.

[effsixteenblock50]

This is in the same bag as he playing in '56, similar to the way he played on Relaxin'...

People are just used to his studio sound, which is much more present when there's a designated mic for his horn! Like think how he sounds for a few notes in the very beginning of his solo on (I believe) "If I were a Bell" it's sounds a little distant & dark at first like he was running to the mic! Same sound....

[cisum241]

and he plays two of his favorite licks at around 2:51 and 2:15 

[cisum241]

first of all its TRANE thats how you spell his name... and there isnt a jazz ear on earth that can hear that sound and not know its trane....dont even entertain the doubters they obviously have bumped there heads or been shot through the ear or somthing

[coltoncrawfordjazz]

@cisum241 lol ya TRANE not TRAIN haahaa

[rodwingii]

this is trane, no doubt

[impala327]

i dont care who this is, some cool interplay.

[DaveVelo1]

There are Trane impersonators. But, owing to the quality of the recording and improvisational style and tone, It sounds like the real Trane to me.

[bird347504]

This is definitely Chief (Trane). I would say '56 (maybe even '55). The percussionist is definitely Philly Joe Jones. Case Closed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Carlinhosviolao]

Thank you.

[SeerTrulth]

That's Illinois Jacquet!

That's Jacket, dammit.

[Embowafa2004]

If this isnt Train that I dont know how to spot train anymore or this is a complete clone. This is a incredible thing to hear.

[musikaudios]

@Embowafa2004 Don´t give too much attention to Youtube users. And maybe by judgind his nickname ( something + 95 ) maybe this is a kid who was born in 1995 ... although I think I would recognize Trane even in my 16 years old ...

[musikaudios]

@dariuna68 You need answer clicking on '' Answer '' over his commentary, then he will read what you wrote ( like I did to your comentary ). The way you did he won´t probably read.

[dariuna68]

@musikaudios

Thank you musikaudios! that's fantastic, where did you get the recording? Thanks for posted it, bye

[Russianboyz95]

guys... this is not trane

you can tell this is not his style if you listen to him a lot

also, his sound is more penetrating

[musikaudios]

@Russianboyz95 You clearly listened to him a lot ... oh ok ...

[boxing1000]

@musikaudios Yeah, he's an expert..;-)

[boxing1000]

@musikaudios yeah,he's a regular expert ;-)

[sowhatxy]

@Russianboyz95 Yes, this is not recording in studio

[boxing1000]

@Russianboyz95 This IS Trane, trust me...

[dariuna68]

@Russianboyz95

you don't know Coltrane!!! this is him!Maybe you know only the Trane of sixties.. go to listen Coltrane of fifthies.Bye!

[CisforClarinet]

@Russianboyz95

This is too Trane! Listen to the licks and his tone man. You can totally tell it's him.

[Bebopopotamus]

@Russianboyz95 His sound penetrated, yes, but this was a room mic. It's picking up his sound after it bounced all over and was absorbed by everything (bodies, beds, pillows, lamp shades, etc...). You tell its him at 2:15 alone.

[mobiusII]

@Bebopopotamus Agreed!

[humbas1]

@Russianboyz95 Never in this wold this is John Coltrane. Just if John Coltrane unlearned play in this period of his life.

[Sandemose]

Coltrane is swinging so hard its not even funny...

Best, Sandemose

[Bebopopotamus]

You can play a shoestring if you're sincere.

[62MaybeOS]

@Bebopopotamus Amen. More people need to think like you. God bless you.

[Bebopopotamus]

@62MaybeOS Oh, the irony...

[invisiblekid14]

that's most definitely Elvin with Trane ... you can hear him humming like he always does and the phrasing is his. the foot stomps are him playing pretend "bass drum" and "hi-hat" on the floor.

[deadeye42]

@invisiblekid14 if this is from 1956 then its probably 90% philly joe jones

[DocOfTones]

This is the way to practice a tune..

[jazzflutist]

Whether sax-shoes or sax-pillows it's quite the historic video, and a good lesson to other instrumentalists. That is, you can still put on a show if the bass and keyboard player don't show up (if you're good).

[kalpal67]

@jazzflutist lol don't why but that made me laugh kinda hard

[filorefice]

jimmy cobb?

[rivercityrebel84]

this is in a hotel room....elvin using the pillow

[learnjazzguitar]

Definitely not a tap dancer! That's hilarious!

[musikaudios]

@learnjazzguitar I gave up.

[musikaudios]

@Dmila220 ???

[whitehotmagazine]

no not really get your ears checked.

[docolli]

its just him "trading fours" with someone doing some kind of percussion. If you play jazz or any form of improv you know what that means...

[musikaudios]

@docolli Yes, that´s it, very simple.

[musikaudios]

@whitehotmagazine You need to listen to more brushes sounds, on snares or in books / magazines. I have the original of this here, it is almost 7 mins long and I can listen loud and realize the ' ghost notes ' of a typical brush stick sound.

[tulrob]

this is such an awesome rare thing to hear....

[mmorseca]

It's somebody tap-dancing, folks!

[musikaudios]

@mmorseca Many drummers used to play in telephone books with brushes and this is very clearly a pair of brushes here, playing in a telephone book. You can hear typical snare drum rudiments / phrases AND the ghost notes in between, something that could be reproduced much better by a pair of brushes. Elvin Jones learned by playing in telephone books with his brother, as well as many, many other ones.

[jimSTRATemblin]

Philly Joe Jones was a tap dancer - supposedly a good one. This is from the Blue Train era, my vote says it is tap dancing. The bass frequencies in the percussion are too deep for brushes on a phone book. The ghost notes are shoe slides.

[musikaudios]

@jimSTRATemblin I won´t insist, I have the original of this and I can hear it very loud in a good cd player with good amplifiers and the sound keeps clear. But, if you disagree, ok ...

[musikaudios]

Only one more detail : I didn´t say it IS definetly a telephone book, I said it is something similar to a telephone book ( as other ones here said the same ).

[MogieLoaf]

It's definitely not a tap dancer, deaf people.

[nunchuckification]

@MogieLoaf ahhaha i love you

[johnspencerdrums]

@MogieLoaf yes, it actually is a tap dancer. Coltrane played with a tap dancer on various occasions.

[MogieLoaf]

@johnspencerdrums It's not a tap dancer. It's somebody playing brushes on a phone book or newspaper. Some of the vocabulary he's playing makes me think it's Philly Joe Jones.

[musikaudios]

Many drummers used to play in telephone books with brushes and this is very clearly a pair of brushes here, playing in a telephone book. You can hear typical snare drum rudiments / phrases AND the ghost notes in between, something that could be reproduced much better by a pair of brushes. Elvin Jones learned by playing in telephone books with his brother, as well as many, many other ones.

[aaronamccoy]

lovely

[jazzmasta92]

This is great!

[maxonsax]

Actually somebody is tap dancing and Trane his trading with him!

[syrius63]

Thanks for posting this, almost certain he's trading with a tap dancer.

[gsco82]

This is a great piece of music with historical significance, as with anything associated with John Coltrane. Thanks for posting this!!

[Timopartanen2]

Very instructive

[esolarceoaol]

Fantastic!!! Beautiful - Keni

[Flextones]

No this is the Miles Davis tune named "Four". This sucks. I wanted to hear Trane play snakes over 4 bars. Actually this is nice. Trane is playing by himself and someone is keeping time behind him by beating on something. I am not quite sure what it is but it is not a percussion instrument.

[musikaudios]

@Flextones Yes it is the theme '' Four '' AND they are trading fours too.

The '' someone '' is not only keeping time behind him, but also is improvising too. Last thing, a '' percussion instrument '' sometimes could be something very simple, like a Telephone Book ( Elvin Jones´s brother for example used to teach him how to improvise and/or acompany other players only in Telephone Lists ).

[pseudokowski]

@musikaudios You are soo right, people are clueless these days to anything that's not packaged & sold in stores. Practically anything that's not fragile can be a percussive instrument! These guys played horns that were held together with rubberbands and they STILL sound like gold.

[esolarceoaol]

@Flextones

This is fantastic and beautiful!!! - Keni

[rosatijazz23]

This is great. i don't know where you got this tho....?

but thanks for posting

[333matt333CHII]

fourS?

[musikaudios]

Trading fourS, yes.

[333matt333CHII]

@musikaudios sounds like he's practicing Four, then trades fours.

[333matt333CHII]

@musikaudios not practicing Four? THough he does trade fours later on...

[ronaldohavana]

Thats Elvin of course!

[musikaudios]

In 1956??

[joemaranzano]

@musikaudios It was Philly Joe Jones, on a phone book.

[drankmire]

any idea who the drummer is?

[jamesjonesrocket]

holy shit! I can't believe I never heard this before! pure gold!

[xlfutur1]

Tinges of Stan Getz in there at times. This is amazing audio, and so different than Trane was playing 10 years later. Its too bad these guys didn't record more of their practice sessions!

[tenorking9]

Oh my goodness...