Doesn't the world already have enough languages? What ever happened to Esperanto ? Maybe we should all speak classical Latin. I don't see any sense in creating a new language. Esperanto didn't get anywhere did it ? ?
@dadutta "ee", which is actually written ".i" does not technically mean "and", although it could be related to someone who keeps one giant run-on sentence going at all times. ".i" is simply a word meaning that I am starting a new statement, or bridi. there are other classes of words to deal with logical connectives such as "and", "and/or", "or", and "whether or not". .i a'o sidju do lonu cilre la lojban.
@superslave750 Lojban has a perfectly unambiguous grammar that always breaks up into sentences which can always be technically understood. This may make it seem boring, but Lojban makes use of combinations of words in order to achieve metaphors used for more complex terms. For example, the English word "today" is in reality two words in Lojban, that for now and that for day. This may make Lojban seem silly and overcomplicated, but most words have shortened forms specifically for compounding.
I'm curious about what the meaning density of lojban is.
By this I mean, that if you would test the average number of syllables needed to say something in lojban, and compare that number with other languages... what would the difference be?
@hazzystan Actually, Lojban lexicon is based on six languages, mandarin chinese , arabic, english, russian, spanish and hindi; a statistical algorithm is used to create intermediate words between this six languages.
@lasaboteuse I used to be really good, but I'ven't been studying my words for a long time, so I have to look up words every now and then. The grammar itself doesn't trouble me any more for any non-crazy sentence I try to understand or build. Since university entered my life, I didn't have as much time for Lojban as I wanted...
@timojbo How much time did it take you to attain the proficiency seen here? I discovered Lojban a couple of days ago and it seems fascinating to me. Good luck with your studies.
@lasaboteuse Being fluent in Lojban is an aspiration in and of itself and requires a lot of determination and practice, possibly even more so than for any natural language.
@Pendrokar: Actually, {i} stands for "new sentence begins here", {mi} stands for "i" and {e}, {ge}, {je} and {gi'e} stand for diverse types of "and". Thanks for the comment :)
@Bobbylegs37, yeah, they are a bit of waffle with some chocolatey/nutsy cream surrounded with chocolate. Fucking awesomely epically tasty. And thanks for the compliment. I seriously need to find another topic to mindlessly rant about in a new lojban video some time u'i
awesomeness. be my penpal/sensei ? where's the best place to start? Also I think it's ridiculous that the english language actually has a derogatory word for an intelligent person or someone who likes learning (nerd). What does that say about dominant culture :s keep it up! peace
@chrisplus23 I'd love to! currently I have to learn for exams, but I'm sure I can hang around in the #lojban irc channel on freenode with you here and there. Incidentally, that's also the best place to start. If you don't have an irc client, google for "freenode webchat" and join #lojban. say "coi" and see what happens :) depending on the time, you'll get one to ten people to talk to about how to start learning and such. I wish you the best of luck, and talk to you soon :)
I will state my current views concerning this language and Esperanto, since my comments continue receiving responses. One of my comments was unnecessarily inflammatory (and a little stupid) so I removed it; thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I call these languages to be "fake" because they did not develop naturally, over the natural course of human life. Someone sat down and decided to create a new language. Recall the Matrix film, where they ate fabricated mush because it was healthier
@AetheriusLamia So how is it that you believe humans first developed language? They came up with sounds that conveyed meaning to someone else who had the same understanding of said sounds. The first language was developed over a longer period of time because, unlike today, language was a new concept. Today, one can sit down and create an entire vocabulary because we're already familiar with the mechanics of language. That doesn't mean these languages can't evolve over time just like "real" ones.
@johnsdk1988 I do not feel there is a need to improve the efficiency of our verbal communication, i.e. Esperanto et al. are steps in the wrong direction in adding more complication to life (namely learning yet another language) without sufficient need (fixing something that isn't broken). The common languages of today are a part of our world and have a pleasing history (etymology is interesting). Focus on broken infrastructure and the family rather than language if you want to help society...
@AetheriusLamia Adding more complication to life? Unless someone is holding a gun to your head and making their ransom demands in Esperanto, Lojban, et al., then no one is requiring you to learn these languages. Fixing something that isn't broken? I can't speak for other languages but English is one of the messiest languages I've encountered (yes, I'm a native English speaker, I'm not a foreigner bashing the language).
@AetheriusLamia Furthermore, the creation of a new language takes a considerable amount of creativity. If nothing else, creating a new language has infinite value in its artistic value alone.
@johnsdk1988 Yes, the existence of these artificial languages complicates life, as the argument we're now having demonstrates. The only usefulness these languages will ever have is if a one-world government is established and forces everyone to learn them, because apart from that, they're not going to replace any nation's language. Your "infinite value" statement is nonsensical; simply because something is created by man doesn't mean it's inherently good or useful.
@AetheriusLamia I'm sorry, but I still don't understand how they make life more difficult. As I said before, if no one is forcing you to learn these languages, then their existence makes your life no more difficult than it already is. As far as this argument goes, it only exists because you decided to post a message that's open to reply by other people who may have differing opinions.
@AetheriusLamia (Damn these character limits!) As far as statements about the value of these languages, it seems rather arrogant for you to think that just because they have no value to you must mean that they have no value at all. I'm sure there are many people who think that paintings such as the Mona Lisa or Starry Night aren't inherently good or useful, but does that mean that art works like that should be thrown out with the trash, or should never have been created at all?
@johnsdk1988 I think these comments are meant commenting on the video, not as a forum for in-depth conversations between users. Perhaps we should move to an actual forum or IM. I suppose it may not be very important whether you understand why it makes my life more complicated, so let me suffice it to say that I have difficulty discarding irrelevant information in daily life (a minor psychological memory problem).
@AetheriusLamia As a psychology major, I actually do find that intriguing. But even so, if you have trouble forgetting information (I could certainly use a condition like that - it would make studying for exams a lot easier), still, just the knowledge that the language exists doesn't really cause any damage to you. I mean, we don't even know the full capacity of the brain for storing information. Furthermore, if you don't want that irrelevant information in your head, don't watch these videos.
@johnsdk1988 It's been a very long time since I've watched any of these videos (note the date of my first comment). i watched this video as a courtesy to a friend who sent it to me, who's interested in this sort of thing; i certainly don't go searching for them. (a while back i spent about five minutes learning about Esperanto and realized the futility of these languages, apart from a governmental mandate, and haven't bothered with them since.) i only return to answer comments directed at me.
@nofail: That's your opinion. It was the opinion of at least one published French poet I once had the pleasure of knowing, that she found English more easily expressive without unnecessary sophistication. She claimed that since she'd started writing English poetry, she found it easier to translate her French collection into English than the other way round. She cited the sheer choice of expressions for nuance in English, and said that French just wasn't as versatile... in her opinion.
You might not understand people who are interested in things that you, personally, find boring and useless, but is it a reason to insult them ("""fake"""" languages """suck"""") ? I assume you own the absolute truth about all and all, don't you ? What are you doing here, if you think it's so much bullshit, why do you waste your time commenting the video, is it so important to you to bother people who have different passions from yours ? It sounds childish.
I know all those comments, included yours, were written some time ago yet, but I'd like to answer nevertheless.
You're all wrong, best natural is French of course, how can't you be aware of it :P :P :P (And actually it surely can be, must depend of the scale it's rated on xD)
@kjlrwh my first step was to join the #lojban irc channel on the freenode network (they have a chat thingie on their website). "xalbo" and "kribacr" offer free and incredibly good lessons, but you can also read "lojban for beginners" or - even better - the "wave lesson" - ask for that on the irc - youtube doesn't let me post any urls.
@1989Zachyo sorry, it seems my comment from last time got eaten by the evil youtube. rlp says "It doesn't save any syllables (most elements of mekso are 2), and it's a waste of both cmavo space and memorization, for no benefit I can see." to which i have to agree. he wrote a much longer essay on it, search for "robin's palm writings: math" on lojbans website.
Mi came across Lojban a few days back and the language seems to me pretty interesting, specially its possible uses. I have got a question. Is it possible to express mathematical equations more efficiently in Lojban? Just to test, how would you write this simple equation y = mx + c in Lojban?
@1989Zachyo heya, lojban has a system for mathematical expressions (MEX, or in lojban: mekso). Some consider it to be broken, I have not learnt it yet. however, there's also the possibility to use simple bridi like this:
ybu du lo sumji be lo pilji be my bei xy be'o bei cy
(y is equal to the sum of the product of m and x, and c)
Mi trovis loĵban-on antaŭ kelkaj tagoj kaj ĝi ŝajnas al mi tre interesa, precipe, la eblajn uzojn mi interesigas. Mi havas demandon de vi, ĉu estas eble skribi aŭ esprimi ekvaciojn matematikajn en loĵban uzante malvortoj aŭ alivorte, ŝpareme? Kiel oni skibos ekvacion y = mx + c en loĵban?
Could you elaborate? The sound is not "too European" to me - my german "accent" may play a role in that. Esperanto has different flaws that make it completely uninteresting to me and it was hardly English oriented. Lojbans "international"ism does not come solely from the phonetics.
You may not believe this, but the Lojban community is not small and constantly growing and apart from that, Lojban is not my only hobby, so i am fine, thanks.
All in all your comment appears to be completely useless
@godisntreal : English isn't a European language. The English speak English, and Europeans speak various forms of Euro-babble (officially accepted term for Euro-branded non-English). Americans speak American, a bastardised English - and they should count themselves lucky that they adopted this instead of French, which even the French agree is infinitely inferior to The English Language.
Every time an American calls the American language "English", I am forced to burn down a small orphanage.
@WhiteHawkUK English belongs to the indo-european language family (more precisely: it's a west germanic language). At least wikipedia claims that. It cites some sources that are unavailable on the net (books, gah!), but i'm more willing to accept wikipedias claims than yours. If you have a reliable source that shows, that English is *not* a european language, please share it.
Of course, humour aside, I couldn't be more proud of Britain's (England's) Anglo-Saxon heritage - it is one of the better parts of this evolved culture and language (even if the current generation seems intent upon forgetting or destroying what's left of it). Forgive me if I caused offence. ;)
@WhiteHawkUK i think most of people will tell you English is not a prime example of a human language. See it is quite opposite from lojban, very ambigous and somewhat strange. Though nothing a human mind can master, especially since it's owtherwise simple.
@WhiteHawkUK French say what ? I don't any frenchman ever said English was superior to French. And that's because it isn't. French is way more extensive and complete. English is simple, that's all.
@nofail unfortunately, depending on how you measure "extensive and complete" you may be wrong. the exact number is evading me but English has quite a bit more words than French, like 3 or 4 times. however most of them are not used EVER (although I assume french is the same way)
i'm not completely with you on that one. fake languages can give you a bit of entertainment for a while. real languages, like lojban, are much more rewarding to study and use.
i call it a real language, because it actually is. of course it is unlike most languges, that somehow came up by means of compromises between different groups of people who communicated in different ways. that doesn't mean, that you can't call it a real language (what about modern hebrew, for instance?)
you can say anything you want in lojban and it's a very usable, simple and elegant language. i don't know what else to expect from a language i'd want to speak.
@AetheriusLamia: Your comment was posted three months ago, but I still want to reply.
Lojban is what is known as a constructed language. It is not a natural language but it is by definition a language. 'Fake language' then would be something that appears to be a language but isn't (for example a set of sounds which are not used to encode information and are therefore meaningless). Lojban is by definition a language. That is to say it is a real language and not a fake language.
i mean to say that languages should have culture and history. speaking a language that has no culture and no history seems similar to eating food that satisfies hunger but has no taste.
@AetheriusLamia to be honest i'm much more a fan of esperanto than lojban but you're utterly incorrect, unfortunately. lojban's vocab was created from the top 6 or so most spoken language in the world (mandarin, hindi/urdu, english, arabic, spanish, russian, etc) therefore it would not be euro- or asio- or afrocentric.
take the lojban word "shukta". it has rather broken components from 3 languages... Chinese "shu", Arabic "(ki)ta(b)", and the English (drumroll please!) "(b)ook"
Hello, Brit. I'm Timo, friend of Dipik(?), who is otherwise knownSilent Number. I intend and desire for your interest to inform you of the fact that Beuno isn't French. Specifically, Ferero, which invented and makes Bueno is Italian. And the French aren't teh only ones who can buy Bueno. For example, the Germans do. I have often bought, eaten, liked, and found tasty Buenos. I like. I found them tasty, and I see you agree. I hope you respond.
Doesn't the world already have enough languages? What ever happened to Esperanto ? Maybe we should all speak classical Latin. I don't see any sense in creating a new language. Esperanto didn't get anywhere did it ? ?
Catoni52 1 week ago
Rosetta Stone needs to do this for lojban. It would be amazing.
feilen1000 3 months ago 2
Other than being a language, what exactly IS Lojban?
TheEnjoiPandolin 3 months ago
@TheEnjoiPandolin lojban (dot) org/tiki/Lojban
Vaysm 2 months ago
Does anyone know how to say "wretch" in lojban?
purplecheese333 4 months ago
sounds like russian
akuarashi 4 months ago
@akuarashi it sounds nothing like it, except for the "ee". in fact there's so much of that sound that it gets annoying
krukodr 2 months ago
@krukodr Personally, I notice more of a "romance language" sound scheme, particularly French...
MissRora 1 week ago
I would consider learning this language just for the confusing effect that it has on people trying to figure out what type of language it is.
UNR3S7 4 months ago
You never see hot girls speaking this language do you? That's the reason I refuse to learn it.
myself1gcv 5 months ago
@myself1gcv Only ugly ones maybe ;)
Aerofduty 2 months ago
@dadutta "ee", which is actually written ".i" does not technically mean "and", although it could be related to someone who keeps one giant run-on sentence going at all times. ".i" is simply a word meaning that I am starting a new statement, or bridi. there are other classes of words to deal with logical connectives such as "and", "and/or", "or", and "whether or not". .i a'o sidju do lonu cilre la lojban.
kinpopdj 5 months ago
i bet "ee" means "and" - i'm trying to see if i can understand it without a formal translation, as the lojban-creators intended :)
Dadutta 5 months ago
i like this language
Supersomonerandom 7 months ago
It sounds German, not French... But I do realize it's neither :P
RedHaxorz 9 months ago 2
why does it sounds like french to me? Crucious...
mdenizyildirim 10 months ago
I'll be back in a couple of months. And then I will understand you.
Hopefully :D
Thunderios 11 months ago
Why should someone prefers this language? I mean what is the advantage of Lojban?
superslave750 11 months ago
@superslave750 Lojban has a perfectly unambiguous grammar that always breaks up into sentences which can always be technically understood. This may make it seem boring, but Lojban makes use of combinations of words in order to achieve metaphors used for more complex terms. For example, the English word "today" is in reality two words in Lojban, that for now and that for day. This may make Lojban seem silly and overcomplicated, but most words have shortened forms specifically for compounding.
JaxForce 11 months ago
sounds like one of them dot heads
Kg277 1 year ago
I'm curious about what the meaning density of lojban is.
By this I mean, that if you would test the average number of syllables needed to say something in lojban, and compare that number with other languages... what would the difference be?
ReasonGuysCopyright 1 year ago
Sounds like a mixture between German, Spanish, and a slavic language.
hazzystan 1 year ago
@hazzystan Actually, Lojban lexicon is based on six languages, mandarin chinese , arabic, english, russian, spanish and hindi; a statistical algorithm is used to create intermediate words between this six languages.
eskorbutin89 9 months ago
@lasaboteuse I used to be really good, but I'ven't been studying my words for a long time, so I have to look up words every now and then. The grammar itself doesn't trouble me any more for any non-crazy sentence I try to understand or build. Since university entered my life, I didn't have as much time for Lojban as I wanted...
timojbo 1 year ago
@timojbo How much time did it take you to attain the proficiency seen here? I discovered Lojban a couple of days ago and it seems fascinating to me. Good luck with your studies.
Xapheus 6 months ago
Are you FLUENT in Lojban???
lasaboteuse 1 year ago
@lasaboteuse Being fluent in Lojban is an aspiration in and of itself and requires a lot of determination and practice, possibly even more so than for any natural language.
JaxForce 11 months ago
@JaxForce
its a lot easier to learn then any natural language
q41n 8 months ago
sounds awesome, and your shirt is bitching.
SargeantSquid 1 year ago 10
@SargeantSquid Thanks! Most of the time I make an effort to wear cool shirts only ;)
timojbo 1 year ago 3
I want to learn this, and then write songs in this language :)
I might not be appreciated as much, but heigh-ho - I'll be ahead of my time :D
etherealegg 1 year ago
@etherealegg I think writing songs in lojban would be really cool =P
Someone should make?, sing, and record a lojban anthem.
ladjeikyb 1 year ago
@Pendrokar: Actually, {i} stands for "new sentence begins here", {mi} stands for "i" and {e}, {ge}, {je} and {gi'e} stand for diverse types of "and". Thanks for the comment :)
timojbo 1 year ago
Sounds Italian/Spanish+French to me.
Thought that " i " was standing for " and ", like in Russian, turns out it is " I ". :)
Vēlu jums visu to labāko!
- Latvian
Pendrokar 1 year ago
@Bobbylegs37, yeah, they are a bit of waffle with some chocolatey/nutsy cream surrounded with chocolate. Fucking awesomely epically tasty. And thanks for the compliment. I seriously need to find another topic to mindlessly rant about in a new lojban video some time u'i
timojbo 1 year ago
Good lojban, but I don't understand what a bueno is. Is it food?
Bobbylegs37 1 year ago
It kind of sounds like Russian to me.
dhaddox 1 year ago
Man, this sounds like an alien language! :D
Great, though
Greathoof 1 year ago
"so I got cheese to work with my webcam"
Cheese for GNOME? I guess I'm not the only one.
greendayaddictions 1 year ago
OH MY GOD.
I LOVE YOU .iu
MzLui 1 year ago
awesomeness. be my penpal/sensei ? where's the best place to start? Also I think it's ridiculous that the english language actually has a derogatory word for an intelligent person or someone who likes learning (nerd). What does that say about dominant culture :s keep it up! peace
chrisplus23 1 year ago 8
@chrisplus23 I'd love to! currently I have to learn for exams, but I'm sure I can hang around in the #lojban irc channel on freenode with you here and there. Incidentally, that's also the best place to start. If you don't have an irc client, google for "freenode webchat" and join #lojban. say "coi" and see what happens :) depending on the time, you'll get one to ten people to talk to about how to start learning and such. I wish you the best of luck, and talk to you soon :)
timojbo 1 year ago 3
@chrisplus23 A nerd isn't someone who just enjoys learning, a nerd is someone who puts so much work into learning that they have shit social skills.
gagehow 1 year ago
I will state my current views concerning this language and Esperanto, since my comments continue receiving responses. One of my comments was unnecessarily inflammatory (and a little stupid) so I removed it; thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I call these languages to be "fake" because they did not develop naturally, over the natural course of human life. Someone sat down and decided to create a new language. Recall the Matrix film, where they ate fabricated mush because it was healthier
AetheriusLamia 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia So how is it that you believe humans first developed language? They came up with sounds that conveyed meaning to someone else who had the same understanding of said sounds. The first language was developed over a longer period of time because, unlike today, language was a new concept. Today, one can sit down and create an entire vocabulary because we're already familiar with the mechanics of language. That doesn't mean these languages can't evolve over time just like "real" ones.
johnsdk1988 1 year ago
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@johnsdk1988 I do not feel there is a need to improve the efficiency of our verbal communication, i.e. Esperanto et al. are steps in the wrong direction in adding more complication to life (namely learning yet another language) without sufficient need (fixing something that isn't broken). The common languages of today are a part of our world and have a pleasing history (etymology is interesting). Focus on broken infrastructure and the family rather than language if you want to help society...
AetheriusLamia 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia Adding more complication to life? Unless someone is holding a gun to your head and making their ransom demands in Esperanto, Lojban, et al., then no one is requiring you to learn these languages. Fixing something that isn't broken? I can't speak for other languages but English is one of the messiest languages I've encountered (yes, I'm a native English speaker, I'm not a foreigner bashing the language).
johnsdk1988 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia Furthermore, the creation of a new language takes a considerable amount of creativity. If nothing else, creating a new language has infinite value in its artistic value alone.
johnsdk1988 1 year ago
@johnsdk1988 Yes, the existence of these artificial languages complicates life, as the argument we're now having demonstrates. The only usefulness these languages will ever have is if a one-world government is established and forces everyone to learn them, because apart from that, they're not going to replace any nation's language. Your "infinite value" statement is nonsensical; simply because something is created by man doesn't mean it's inherently good or useful.
AetheriusLamia 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia I'm sorry, but I still don't understand how they make life more difficult. As I said before, if no one is forcing you to learn these languages, then their existence makes your life no more difficult than it already is. As far as this argument goes, it only exists because you decided to post a message that's open to reply by other people who may have differing opinions.
johnsdk1988 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia (Damn these character limits!) As far as statements about the value of these languages, it seems rather arrogant for you to think that just because they have no value to you must mean that they have no value at all. I'm sure there are many people who think that paintings such as the Mona Lisa or Starry Night aren't inherently good or useful, but does that mean that art works like that should be thrown out with the trash, or should never have been created at all?
johnsdk1988 1 year ago
@johnsdk1988 I think these comments are meant commenting on the video, not as a forum for in-depth conversations between users. Perhaps we should move to an actual forum or IM. I suppose it may not be very important whether you understand why it makes my life more complicated, so let me suffice it to say that I have difficulty discarding irrelevant information in daily life (a minor psychological memory problem).
AetheriusLamia 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia As a psychology major, I actually do find that intriguing. But even so, if you have trouble forgetting information (I could certainly use a condition like that - it would make studying for exams a lot easier), still, just the knowledge that the language exists doesn't really cause any damage to you. I mean, we don't even know the full capacity of the brain for storing information. Furthermore, if you don't want that irrelevant information in your head, don't watch these videos.
johnsdk1988 1 year ago
@johnsdk1988 It's been a very long time since I've watched any of these videos (note the date of my first comment). i watched this video as a courtesy to a friend who sent it to me, who's interested in this sort of thing; i certainly don't go searching for them. (a while back i spent about five minutes learning about Esperanto and realized the futility of these languages, apart from a governmental mandate, and haven't bothered with them since.) i only return to answer comments directed at me.
AetheriusLamia 1 year ago
nerd.
travelinbeat 1 year ago
yes.
timojbo 1 year ago 33
@nofail: That's your opinion. It was the opinion of at least one published French poet I once had the pleasure of knowing, that she found English more easily expressive without unnecessary sophistication. She claimed that since she'd started writing English poetry, she found it easier to translate her French collection into English than the other way round. She cited the sheer choice of expressions for nuance in English, and said that French just wasn't as versatile... in her opinion.
WhiteHawkUK 1 year ago
so.. what did you say?
pyrolink182 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia
You might not understand people who are interested in things that you, personally, find boring and useless, but is it a reason to insult them ("""fake"""" languages """suck"""") ? I assume you own the absolute truth about all and all, don't you ? What are you doing here, if you think it's so much bullshit, why do you waste your time commenting the video, is it so important to you to bother people who have different passions from yours ? It sounds childish.
cocobarracuda 1 year ago
I know all those comments, included yours, were written some time ago yet, but I'd like to answer nevertheless.
You're all wrong, best natural is French of course, how can't you be aware of it :P :P :P (And actually it surely can be, must depend of the scale it's rated on xD)
@timojbo
Great work, I'm impressed ! And Lojban sounds nice !
P.S. Sorry if I made some mistakes, I'm... French ^^)
cocobarracuda 1 year ago
I love you~
Marry me :3?
Nightmaresavior101 1 year ago 2
@Nightmaresavior101 depends. do you speak any Lojban? maybe if you do I will consider the offer ☺
timojbo 1 year ago 5
@timojbo you are too not serious...
Thomastancheekun 1 year ago
thats pretty awesome, only after a few words i could hear you are German because i often heard a German "sch". Grüße aus der Niederlanden, tschüss
jeffryvdm 2 years ago
@jeffryvdm hi. i'm confused. the "sch" is part of lojban's phonology. the letter "c" is actually pronounced like that.
thanks for the compliment, though :)
timojbo 1 year ago
I really want to learn Lojban, but I have absolutely no idea where to start. Can you help me out? Where did you start?
kjlrwh 2 years ago
@kjlrwh my first step was to join the #lojban irc channel on the freenode network (they have a chat thingie on their website). "xalbo" and "kribacr" offer free and incredibly good lessons, but you can also read "lojban for beginners" or - even better - the "wave lesson" - ask for that on the irc - youtube doesn't let me post any urls.
good luck and see you soon :)
timojbo 2 years ago
Im sorry to bother you again but I dont seem to understand what does the fraze
„Some consider it to be broken mean?
Does that mean that the „mekso system is still underdeveloped or what? And dont you speak Esperanto? :-)
1989Zachyo 2 years ago
@1989Zachyo sorry, it seems my comment from last time got eaten by the evil youtube. rlp says "It doesn't save any syllables (most elements of mekso are 2), and it's a waste of both cmavo space and memorization, for no benefit I can see." to which i have to agree. he wrote a much longer essay on it, search for "robin's palm writings: math" on lojbans website.
timojbo 2 years ago
Dear Friend,
Mi came across Lojban a few days back and the language seems to me pretty interesting, specially its possible uses. I have got a question. Is it possible to express mathematical equations more efficiently in Lojban? Just to test, how would you write this simple equation y = mx + c in Lojban?
Best Regards,
Chetano. :-)
1989Zachyo 2 years ago
@1989Zachyo heya, lojban has a system for mathematical expressions (MEX, or in lojban: mekso). Some consider it to be broken, I have not learnt it yet. however, there's also the possibility to use simple bridi like this:
ybu du lo sumji be lo pilji be my bei xy be'o bei cy
(y is equal to the sum of the product of m and x, and c)
it would be more concise with mekso, though.
ko ko kurji
timojbo 2 years ago
Kara Amiko,
Mi trovis loĵban-on antaŭ kelkaj tagoj kaj ĝi ŝajnas al mi tre interesa, precipe, la eblajn uzojn mi interesigas. Mi havas demandon de vi, ĉu estas eble skribi aŭ esprimi ekvaciojn matematikajn en loĵban uzante malvortoj aŭ alivorte, ŝpareme? Kiel oni skibos ekvacion y = mx + c en loĵban?
Amike,
Ĉetano. :-)
1989Zachyo 2 years ago
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AetheriusLamia 2 years ago
Could you elaborate? The sound is not "too European" to me - my german "accent" may play a role in that. Esperanto has different flaws that make it completely uninteresting to me and it was hardly English oriented. Lojbans "international"ism does not come solely from the phonetics.
You may not believe this, but the Lojban community is not small and constantly growing and apart from that, Lojban is not my only hobby, so i am fine, thanks.
All in all your comment appears to be completely useless
timojbo 2 years ago
I agree with you, don't let people like bring you down. Could you post some more videos of you speaking Lojban.
ADHDfox 2 years ago
I'm not brought down ;)
I think I will post a new video soon, but I'm having minor software troubles, so this is not a guarantee.
timojbo 2 years ago
I understand. I hope your computer gets fixed soon.
ADHDfox 2 years ago
Do you even know what predicate logic is?
XHeiko 2 years ago
Hmm
Do people in the USA really need to be reminded that English is a European language?
godisntreal 2 years ago 2
Not all of us. /facepalm
UnholyGenocide 1 year ago
@godisntreal : English isn't a European language. The English speak English, and Europeans speak various forms of Euro-babble (officially accepted term for Euro-branded non-English). Americans speak American, a bastardised English - and they should count themselves lucky that they adopted this instead of French, which even the French agree is infinitely inferior to The English Language.
Every time an American calls the American language "English", I am forced to burn down a small orphanage.
WhiteHawkUK 1 year ago
@WhiteHawkUK English belongs to the indo-european language family (more precisely: it's a west germanic language). At least wikipedia claims that. It cites some sources that are unavailable on the net (books, gah!), but i'm more willing to accept wikipedias claims than yours. If you have a reliable source that shows, that English is *not* a european language, please share it.
timojbo 1 year ago
@timojbo : Please look up "humour" - I'm sure there's probably a Wiki entry for it somewhere.
Source: Me.
The clue is in the name, methinks - it is called ENGlish, not West-Germish. :P ;)
Now you've forced me to drown a bag of newborn kittens. I hope you're happy.
WhiteHawkUK 1 year ago
@WhiteHawkUK oooooooooh, I apologize. the only humorous part I noticed was the part about French, but that's just funny 'cause it's true ;)
timojbo 1 year ago
@timojbo : Haha! =D
Of course, humour aside, I couldn't be more proud of Britain's (England's) Anglo-Saxon heritage - it is one of the better parts of this evolved culture and language (even if the current generation seems intent upon forgetting or destroying what's left of it). Forgive me if I caused offence. ;)
WhiteHawkUK 1 year ago
@WhiteHawkUK don't worry, no offence was taken :)
timojbo 1 year ago
@WhiteHawkUK i think most of people will tell you English is not a prime example of a human language. See it is quite opposite from lojban, very ambigous and somewhat strange. Though nothing a human mind can master, especially since it's owtherwise simple.
someman7 1 year ago
@someman7 : Best natural language in the world. :P ;)
WhiteHawkUK 1 year ago
@WhiteHawkUK how many do you know? you'd have to be able to compare.
someman7 1 year ago
@WhiteHawkUK French say what ? I don't any frenchman ever said English was superior to French. And that's because it isn't. French is way more extensive and complete. English is simple, that's all.
nofail 1 year ago
@nofail unfortunately, depending on how you measure "extensive and complete" you may be wrong. the exact number is evading me but English has quite a bit more words than French, like 3 or 4 times. however most of them are not used EVER (although I assume french is the same way)
mrlanguageguy 1 year ago
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt" — Mark Twain
uberhammer 2 years ago
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hm ... so, rather than just say, "you're stupid", you had to add a layer of pretentiousness to the insult ... it doesn't come across well.
and while i may have phrased what i wrote poorly, i stand by what i mean: fake languages suck.
AetheriusLamia 2 years ago
i'm not completely with you on that one. fake languages can give you a bit of entertainment for a while. real languages, like lojban, are much more rewarding to study and use.
timojbo 2 years ago
you're calling lojban a real language? seems a bit like preferring to stare at da Vinci's "The Last Supper" rather than eat an actual meal ...
AetheriusLamia 2 years ago
i call it a real language, because it actually is. of course it is unlike most languges, that somehow came up by means of compromises between different groups of people who communicated in different ways. that doesn't mean, that you can't call it a real language (what about modern hebrew, for instance?)
you can say anything you want in lojban and it's a very usable, simple and elegant language. i don't know what else to expect from a language i'd want to speak.
timojbo 2 years ago
@AetheriusLamia: Your comment was posted three months ago, but I still want to reply.
Lojban is what is known as a constructed language. It is not a natural language but it is by definition a language. 'Fake language' then would be something that appears to be a language but isn't (for example a set of sounds which are not used to encode information and are therefore meaningless). Lojban is by definition a language. That is to say it is a real language and not a fake language.
HawkeHound 2 years ago
i mean to say that languages should have culture and history. speaking a language that has no culture and no history seems similar to eating food that satisfies hunger but has no taste.
AetheriusLamia 2 years ago
@AetheriusLamia so what do you consider Esperanto is? Because i would assume you would say it's "fake", however it has extensive culture involved!
mrlanguageguy 1 year ago
@AetheriusLamia: And to follow on from my previous reply to your two comments, I myself do not speak Lojban.
HawkeHound 2 years ago
@uberhammer : it's funny that you quoted Twain who was quoting Lincoln.
KirstenTube 2 years ago
@AetheriusLamia to be honest i'm much more a fan of esperanto than lojban but you're utterly incorrect, unfortunately. lojban's vocab was created from the top 6 or so most spoken language in the world (mandarin, hindi/urdu, english, arabic, spanish, russian, etc) therefore it would not be euro- or asio- or afrocentric.
take the lojban word "shukta". it has rather broken components from 3 languages... Chinese "shu", Arabic "(ki)ta(b)", and the English (drumroll please!) "(b)ook"
mrlanguageguy 1 year ago
.i mi jimpe no da poi se cusku do .uinai
Homofilos 2 years ago
i u'i le brito ji'a cu kakne lo nu te vecnu
ChristopherDone 3 years ago
Wow, this is amazing! Haha.
Thank you for correcting me, though I couldn't understand a thing.
I'm still a baby in Lojban, but I really hope to be as great as you one day.
Because I found this video QUITE impressive :o
KYOxISxMINE 3 years ago
Haha yeah a translation would've been wonderful!
TheSilentNumber 3 years ago
If I may be presumed to translate:
Hello, Brit. I'm Timo, friend of Dipik(?), who is otherwise knownSilent Number. I intend and desire for your interest to inform you of the fact that Beuno isn't French. Specifically, Ferero, which invented and makes Bueno is Italian. And the French aren't teh only ones who can buy Bueno. For example, the Germans do. I have often bought, eaten, liked, and found tasty Buenos. I like. I found them tasty, and I see you agree. I hope you respond.
Bye
gejyspa 2 years ago 20
Thank you!
TheSilentNumber 2 years ago
Yer welcome. Sorry for the typos.. wish you could edit youtube comments
gejyspa 2 years ago