Why no U.S. Military Aircraft Bail-Out? WW1 FUBAR Again!

[spKennyfan97]

That's FUBAR all air planes and helicopters NEED some kind of parachute for the people in them

[semperfisemperceler]

RIght after it crashed the announcer was like ohhh

[Hornetnest93]

How can you even use a parachute for a helicopter?

[dynmicpara]

@Hornetnest93 I've jumped from helicopters with parachutes; you'd be surprised how fast and far away you are the instant you leave the helo. I even jumped on the tail rotor side of an UH-1H Huey and I was not even close to it upon exit. 

[Hornetnest93]

@dynmicpara Very true, but I should've made my question a little more clear. If your helicopter lost its tailrotor in a hover, how can you get out of that really? The only way I know of is using a system like the Ka-50 / Ka-52, but then again that wouldn't work for the passengers :/

[stevethepilot]

If you were really concerned about safety you'd try to draft a law that would make everybody in a car wear a helmet.

[Farong36]

The pilot bailed out of his WW2 fighter @1:20.

During WW1 parachute technology was in its infancy. Pilots didn't trust them! Preferred to try landing.

Also, can you imagine the cost of equipping aircraft with parachutes for every passenger? Besides, most aircraft incidents occur during take off or landing. Too late and too low to jump out.

[dynmicpara]

@Farong36 Imagine the COSTS of those $100M+ each airliners crashing and burning up all those 100+ people inside! What a disgusting loser, can't-do generation we have today that puts money before morality and human life!

[AdamScott82]

if possible, he should have stayed in the plane for longer, simply to steer it towards completely open ground. it could have gone anywhere

[dynmicpara]

Duhh. The point is that fighter planes tend to crash and to make them safer by recovery parachutes. Is this too complex for you to understand?

[daniel152]

should have tried to fight that fire longer, could have put the fire out with a dive, then tried to land. but i dont know the circumstances of the mechanical problems with the plane

[dynmicpara]

Find out.

[massefeect18]

whats FUBAR mean

[delamoursbassace]

F'd Up Beyond All Reason

[dynmicpara]

Pilot 'Screamed in Horror' as Jet Crashed

By MICHAEL R. BLOOD, AP

LOS ANGELES (March 24) - A military pilot who ejected from a crippled fighter over a San Diego neighborhood "screamed in horror" when he saw the jet had crashed into a home.

Lt. Dan Neubauer described in a statement to investigators how he struggled to control the malfunctioning F/A-18D Hornet in the minutes before the Dec. 8 crash that killed four people on the ground & incinerated two homes.

[dynmicpara]

And the few military planes that have ejection seats need RECOVERY PARACHUTES so the disabled plane doesn't murder people on the ground...

[Familyguy098]

look, parachutes weren't manufactured until after WWI because it wasn't as garenteed as it was a few years later to save your life.

plus these are ww2 planes, you can't fit an ejection seat in them, plus they weren't invented until the end of the war.

[dynmicpara]

Dumbass, we can fit ejection seats to these planes if we wanted to pay for the engineering.

[Familyguy098]

You'd have to build one specifically for it. Otherwise you'd have to take the plane apart to fit one in.

There were ejection seats were in WWII, but they weren't 0\0 ejection seats which weigh up to 150 lbs.

[kk9528]

They actually did consider that, but it would put U.S. intelligence at risk if the enemy were to recover the plane and learning about plans or even stealth technology. They do however, make it for some Cessnas but still requires the pilot to bail out.

But please don't call it murder when it was an accident.

Those guys sacrifice their lives to protect our country.

[dynmicpara]

FALSE. Do some research on BRS recovery chutes.

[gnarkillkicksass]

@dynmicpara Myself - like the majority of GA charter pilots in Aus are against BRS in light aircraft for a number of reasons. Mainly its weight and strict operating parameters don't make it worth carrying. Student pilots are now being told to rely on the things by bullshit second rate instructors who couldn't get charter jobs and wouldn't know a unusual attitude if they fell off a toilet. Thirdly how many planes just break up in flight and require one. They do nothing for a EFATO etc.

[dynmicpara]

@gnarkillkicksass What a disgusting loser, can't-do generation we have today that puts money before morality and human life!

Progress in aviation will not come by making excuses against safety advances like BRS.

I don't mind you being a fool with your life but that plane you refuse to have BRS might kill innocent people on the ground.

Thus, governments should ban private planes that could have BRS but choose not to.

[gnarkillkicksass]

@dynmicpara Aeroplanes do not fall out of the sky. Having to deploy a BRS over populated areas suggests the pilot was doing maneuvers that led to a high risk stall situation over populated areas - which should be criminal. BRS does not aid EFATO, CFIT, inverted situations nor above 110kts. It is designed to be a fall back if the aircraft stalls (intentionally if the pilot has an engine failure and wishes to slow down to deploy it) or even unintentionally a stall recovery is a basic maneuver.

[dynmicpara]

@gnarkillkicksass Planes DO fall out of the sky; mostly from engine failures. Go study accident reports. BRS is a life saver all single engined planes should have. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

[teamster442]

there was a cessna that came down on to a road way in the city with a safty chute cause there was a high fog and the pilot couldnt see so he pulled the chute and was put down safely inside the plane onto the roadway witrh minor damage to the left aileron (wing) cau8se of the tree it cliped

[teamster442]

there was a cessna that came down on to a road way in the city with a safty chute cause there was a high fog and the pilot couldnt see so he pulled the chute and was put down safely inside the plane onto the roadway witrh minor damage to the left aileron (wing) cau8se of the tree it cliped

[teamster442]

there was a cessna that came down on to a road way in the city with a safty chute cause there was a high fog and the pilot couldnt see so he pulled the chute and was put down safely inside the plane onto the roadway witrh minor damage to the left aileron (wing) cau8se of the tree it cliped

[ChainGuN2]

At 1:17, why does the fire keep moving back and forth? Almost looks photoshopped.

[dynmicpara]

Never hurts to have a critical eye--but here I just think the fire is peculiar.

[SteveD328]

I noticed that you didn't mention that the guy that bailed out of that Corsair was rather critically injured in the bail out. He suffered a broken arm and a broken neck from impacting the tail of the airplane. For all of your ranting, bailing out is not simply opening the door and jumping.

[dynmicpara]

BEATS DYING.

[Cab0cl0]

Makes sense. I rather die than having the chance to survive, but with a broken limb.

[Johnnyashole]

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[88hahaha88]

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[TomottoSoup]

On the larger birds, I'd think that either

A) It's really catastrophic and it just crumples in mid air

B) It's relatively minor and can be brought down.

[dynmicpara]

You think wrong. Go to the escape web page offered in the video description and see that the FACTS are that most of the time we can bail-out and even more so with large aircraft

[whitecollarcriminal]

German planes were always better than American planes.

German planes had wood trim, antilock brakes, navigation systems, dual zone AC and Bluetooth ,long before ours did.

[pyromaster55]

That was the best comment i think I've ever read... I honestly laughed for 5 minutes.

[jers59]

german planes are so good that they have not seen combat since 1945. American aircraft are worlds greatest

[howiehelps]

Ive seen this on tv..the guy survived but i think broke some bones and was knocked un-concious by the canopy when ejecting ..I believe.

[DEFORCER]

I'm glad he got out alive. These videos are very helpful, when I enlist I will use all your advice.

[vne1981]

Good Idea mate, but they wont let you use it-been there.

[VincentKerr]

without chute I try to put out the fire in a dive. Looks like the fire was put out half way down, too late for this kite, such a pity but I don't think I'd be sticking around to find out.

[updraft3]

How is it to bail out of, let´s say a C17 screaming earthwards at a substantial speed? Or an out of control helicopter spinning around?

[redwolf28386]

lets see.. these are civilian planes at the Reno air race in Nevada and one blew his engine..(not Army planes, the Army has very few airplanes) and they are WW2 era aircraft so no ejection seats....and all military aircraft use and carry parachutes...always have...wear mine everyday

[dynmicpara]

Reality...PLANES CRASH....before the 1980s we used to issue bail-out parachutes to EVERYONE on U.S. military aircraft...

So your smug, snotty remarks sans any facts don't match up to the TRUTH so they are deleted. Try when you find the truth ACCEPTING it and you will live up to your name and not have your remarks DELETED.

[hoffinmichhoff]

there´s no ejection seat in this planes. the must "walk by feet" out of the plane. at the last plane in this vid the pilot hit the tail and was heavy injured.

[dynmicpara]

We know this. When people say "bail-out" it means manually exiting aircraft and parachuting by rip-cord. Still beats crashing and burning-to-death.

[souljaboy132]

ive heard about this on t.v. the cuase was engine trouble and this was in the u.s. not enemy territory

[dynmicpara]

So if over enemy territory you shouldn't bail-out; just burn up in the aircraft?

[souljaboy132]

no ill bail out

[dynmicpara]

Aha! But HOW will you bail-out if Uncle Slam doesn't provide you a bail-out PARACHUTE?

[sureshot649]

you mention a 5.56mm weapon for aircrews to be armed with. I would go for either a Colt Commando (10.5in AR) or take a look at the Magpul PDR..

[rustyblade12]

luckey

[dynmicpara]

Better to have a parachute to be "lucky" with than to be DAMNED for sure without it.

[BerlinBunker1]

It looked like an F4U Corsair.

[agcatdriver]

Yes it was. It was the Chino Air Museum's Super Corsair unlimited race aircraft, and this happened at the inaugural Phoenix Airshow in 1994. The master connecting rod in the engine suffered a catastrophic failure resulting in the engine fire. Pilot Kevin Eldridge was seriously injured during the bailout, when he struck the horizontal stabilizer, but thanks to his chute, he made it out and is alive today to tell about it.

[tomterahedrob]

you make a great point;helicopters,the worst safety of all flying machines and our combat pilots carry NO CHUTES! even in WW1 toward the end the Germans wore chutes.The Brits were PROHIBITED from wearing them!

[bob75ify]

yeah they were prohibited to wear them because of fear that they would bail out of the aircraft when they didnt have 2

[tomterahedrob]

great point made dynamipara! ever look into David Barish s rotating chutes?a maker tells me one for a human packed, is the size of apaperback book.they also deploy super fast

[Vikkoman]

Here's another question.

What do you think of the Dubrovnik incident? I watched a Seconds to Disaster documentary and one of the points is that (in 1996) Air Force VIP transports do not have flight data or cockpit voice recorders. One of the investigators said he felt shocked when he found that military and VIP aircraft had lower standards than civilian transports. Surely the military puts flight data and cockpit recorders on its unarmed transports, right?

[BlacktailFA]

To think that a civilian in a World War II antique would have a better chance of surviving a crash than a trained US military aircrew in a current aircraft!

[agcatdriver]

First of all, that chute Kevin is wearing in this video is NOT a "world war II antique"... it is a modern, seat pack emergency parachute designed for aerobatic and race pilots. It's got a fully steerable canopy, just like most skydiving chutes, and weighs about HALF what the old military chutes weigh.

[dynmicpara]

And your point is?

We are advocating that the BEST, most COMPACT bail-out parachutes be provided to ALL personnel on ALL U.S. military aircraft--as we used to do when we had common sense (read the video description of the C-119 bail-out incident) instead of BS non-chalant victimhood excuses coming out our asses.

[agcatdriver]

I agree with what you're saying, but my comment was not directed at you.  My comment was directed at the poster who likened the chute Kevin was wearing in this incident to some type of old antiquated chute that was worn way back when, and nothing could be farther from the truth. I agree with you totally that ALL AIRCREW members have a chute on military aircraft, but I doubt it will ever happen in todays military.

[dynmicpara]

Amen, brother. Its time WE THE PEOPLE--who actually own our military--ake back control of it thruough Congress and demand EXCELLENCE and ADULT COMMON SENSE and end the myriad ego club rackets of the all volunteer/victim force/farcesters.

[daniel152]

wow