(5 of 14) ITS WRONG TO PAY FOR SEX DEBATE - TYLER COWEN

[Trikkie87]

Omg, i wanna smack this dude in the head, serieusly considering that.. just because fishermen are in seriously hazardous enviroments, prostituion is "ok". Guess what? fishing is a choice! Has anyone ever seen someone being harrased with fish since his childhood, being forced to fight fish all day long untill all they can do is being pimped into the fish industry? ofcorse not! The moral issue this man seems to forget... is simply emotions.

What a stone cold muthafucka this is.

[Tuckercrew]

@Trikkie87 lol @ your analogy :) Great!

[Trikkie87]

Well this guy is right ofcorse, prostitution does need better regulation. The 1% of nymphomanes should continu, while the 99 % others, beiing the SEX SLAVE INDUSTRY needs to be dealt with. Jeeezus that wasnt so hard was it?

[GirlonFilm1969]

What a putz. You can't regulate it and accusing the other side of not liking diversity is a strawman. Prostitution is not like banking. The bank doesn't get PTSD, raped, beaten. A bank isn't a human being.Yeah, let's look at NZ, the reason the rape is low is b/c women aren't reporting it b/c they're too busy HAVING to do prostitution to do what you even called 'paying for bills or education'. Unsafe fishing boats? Again, a boat is not a person.Talk about a categorical error sir.

[Tuckercrew]

@GirlonFilm1969 this guy is crazy.

[FyreBalletDancer]

how is feminist an insult ? how is exploiting people a good thing ? i will never agree with that

[freestye08]

I wonder if you can guess which side....pays for sex!

[freestye08]

Why is it predominantly MEN who always want to "regulate" the degredation, abuse and torture of the weak, down trodden, poor and oppresed instead of stop it? Why do MEN want to call this: choice, opportunity,right, diversity or a job instead of what it clearly is...using the life of another especially the weak and opressed to serve themselves. Paying for sex is only a symptom of the problem. The hearts of men is where the work needs to begin.

They started it. They are essential to stoping it.

[FyreBalletDancer]

@freestye08 very true :)

[hapobelle]

What this idiot is saying is:Well,bitch ,since you can't get a job or you as most women still world-wide are less paid then men, why don't you let me fuck you in the ass and then I am going to fuck you in the mind trough my mouth and get an applause for it.Better regulation?Why didn't he mention fight for equal pay for women(men wouldn't have extra money that belong to women in first place) so they don't need to prostitute for basic needs,like taking care of children.

[cecgogirl1]

I want to take him seriously, but that hair.

[Ecdysiast96]

Thank you for bringing up regulation.

[LauraFeer]

With this thinks you just make our situation and work condition more bad , and if you sorry and if you really ilke to help to some people . then you need to faith against violence against Sex worker , and for human rights of Sex Workers ,better work condition, respect for all of us .

That will make you better person .

Not going against all that names situation , you just make more bad situation for all this people what you say is need help !

[ActaNonVerba71]

(Most) women, but certainly feminists, want control and power...period. It's not about fair, it's not about everyone's best interest, it's about domination. They want to be able to degrade, humiliate, and control men and for men, because we are stuck with this stupid sexual instinct, to have to still crawl to them.

[Markohoppis]

This should be a stern lesson to every woman and man who desires to immerse him/herself into this ideology of hate that utilizes the most contemptible of devices to demonize men under the guise of equality for the sexes.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

The U.S. Department of Justice compiles crime statistics. Rather than helping men reduce the outrageous violence, you try to discredit the message and harp on feminism.

You know you have a psychological problem if you believe that governmental statistics are 'demonizing men'.

[EclecticSceptic]

@Markohoppis Shut up

[Markohoppis]

@EclecticSceptic More feminism, more lies?

[Markohoppis]

You will deny this as all feminists do when confronted with the truth and attempt to frame it as merely pointing the differences in the sexes out (however all the most abject of differences), but your prejudice is self-evident to me and everyone reading these comments.

Feminism has ruined you. You will never have a trusting relationship with a man because of this insidious nefarious ideology.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

You may or may not be clairvoyant in regards to my future, but it is time to put down your crystal ball. Rather than harping on feminism (aka the most wonderful and honorable movement) you should join the anti-violence effort and help prevent men from hurting other people and thereby ruining their lives.

[Markohoppis]

It's interesting how you're inclined to point all the negative things about men. That is most rapists are men, men are more likely to be anti-social, narcissistic, and men start all the wars. Some of these things true and others not.

Never was there one positive thing about men mentioned by you. You hate men, and consider women to be superior (anything he can do, she can do better; women are morally superior).

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Let us see:

"91% of U.S. rape victims are female and 9% are male, with 99% of the offenders being male" (U.S. Department of Justice 1999) ----- Check.

Men have started ALL wars in history. ----- Check.

More than 75% of patients with anti-social, sadistic and narcissistic personality disorder are men. ----- Check.

None of the above changes the following fact:

Men and women are different but equal. ----- Check.

[LB030377]

@multiquantumcheck Drop the sugar and spice mentality. First off men started wars because men are the ones holding political office. Women didnt start wars because they couldnt. Give me an example of a nation that was run completely by women and pacifist and then your arguement will hold weight. Secondly, a lot of horrible things men do, bullying, fighting for power, pursuing wealth and status at all costs, is due to female sexuality.

[Markohoppis]

Larry Summers seems to believe that males are better in science and math than females. This of which is probably true, but I'll have to look at his sources.

People have no problem believing that women are good or better at something than men, and people have little problem with saying men are physically stronger, but when it comes math and science, the shit will hit the fan if you say men are better than women.

No female Newton or Einstein, but wait, women were oppressed.. blah blah... lol

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

An uneducated troglodyte who has never cracked a history book mights try to argue with the fact that women were not allowed to leave the house unchaperoned, let alone go to college, work or become a scientist.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck Ask a history professor, not a gender studies professor, cunt.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Aw, the Misogynists' Rights Activists calls his intellectual superiors 'cunt'.

Good one.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck No, only women they want to fuck. hahahahahahahaha

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

No thank you.

[Markohoppis]

The DOJ gets its trafficking statistics from the CIA. Anti-trafficking activists depend on numbers produced by the CIA (not normally considered a reliable or neutral font of information when it comes to inter national issues), even though the CIA refuses to "divulge its research methods".

Why would anyone furiously defend an estimate on a source that refuses to divulge its research methods? Now I know why the trafficking figure the DOJ uses for the US IS unsubstantiated.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

The Misogynists' Rights Activist is on a roll! The CIA is 'unrealiable', the U.S. Department of Justice is 'unreliable', the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics is 'unreliable', Neil Malamuth and David Lisak are 'unreliable'...

Tell me, does it require a 'Misogynists' Rights Activists forever' tattoo on one's ass to be deemed 'reliable' by your tiny intellect.

[Markohoppis]

Yup. The DOJ got its statistic from the CIA, and over the years, the statistic hasn't been substantiated with evidence. Even a mentally retarded person can see this.

Lisak is wrong because he said it was bias to give the accuser a lie detector, but mentioned nothing about the accused which was also given a lie detector.

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics acknowledges the pay gap as something other than discrimination.

You are one stupid fuck.

[nuclearnight]

Um yeah actually marriage is wrong. "the other side" are feminists who are no doubt opposed to marriage as an institution as well. This guy is deliberately dishonest.

[nuclearnight]

@nuclearnight

Oh and what the fuck is up with this guy saying that "prostitution has existed in every society so it will always happen". Okay dude lets apply that elsewhere. Slavery has existed in every society, does that mean it should be legal? Incest has existed in every society, does that make it okay? No...

[XMonsieurMeursaultX]

@nuclearnight

[multiquantumcheck]

@nuclearnight

The sad truth is that many depraved men here will answer all of your legitimate question with 'yes' as long as the victims are women.

[watermelonygoodness]

I thought this was a very well articulated argument.

[multiquantumcheck]

@watermelonygoodness

Yes, it is quite common for johns and/or misogynists to feel this way.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck

[pfarabee]

i really like this guy's points, but what the fuck is that on his head? Seriously, man.. it's not coming back, maybe you should shave it off...

[anikinippon]

3:46-3:58 73% + 24% + 38% = 135% ummm??? I don't get where these numbers are coming from.

[pfarabee]

Think multiple choice question.

[ykoshy]

they're not mutually exclusive...so some people will be doing it for more than one reason, so they would have say 'yes' more than once in the survey

[anikinippon]

Gotcha

[makaocloud]

Maybe 38% out of the 73% do the same thing, but he just wanted to let people know that they atleast do it for 1 reason.

[ayeaye86]

And this book about the history of prostitution doesn't prove it's 'normal' or 'right' but that women have had to live in a male dominated society for millenia - hardly a revaltion. Torture is also one of the oldest professions - does that make it ok?

[Markohoppis]

@ayeaye86 That wasn't the point he was making. He was saying that it always existed in all societies and continues to exist, therefore making it illegal would only drive it to an unregulated black market where the pimp hand stays strong.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

In Sweden, selling sex is legal, buying sex is illegal. And this is the way it should be. Those who generate the demand (men) should be penalized rather than the ones who are poor and desperate enough to provide the supply (women).

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck How serious of a crime is it to buy sex in Sweden?

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Markohoppis [on May 12, 2010]

"Swedish men are the modern day eunuchs. They should be treated with nothing but hatred and violence".

According to you beautiful progressive Swedish men who do not buy, degrade and hurt women deserve 'nothing but hatred and violence'. Well, Swedish johns probably receive a less severe punishment. You may rejoice.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck To let radical feminism in any area of power is a foolish move upon men's part. It is self willed castration.

Buying (slavery), degradation, and hurting women have noting to do with prostitution. Once again, you fail with the femprop. Not punishing the women is good for Johns as it allows more women to pursue the profession. Avoiding arrest for johns is rather easy.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

It is quite common for Misogynists' Rights Activists to believe that feminism - "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes" (Merriam Webster Dictionary" - is 'evil'.

David Lisak, one of the leading researchers of sexual coercion, was the first one to point out that anti-feminist beliefs correlate significantly with sexual deviancy.

[Markohoppis]

As long as feminism and feminists practice what they preach, it is ok with me. Yet as MRA's have found, the dictionary definition is contrary to the practices of the majority of modern day feminists.

Feminists are not women, and men will not have their rights treaded on by misandrists who try to find credibility to their beliefs with false statistics, bad science, emotive language, and inane college surveys.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

I see how you would confuse your 'brain' with your anus, but most of us have less difficulty.

Misogynists' Rights Activists are even more depraved and delusional than White Supremacists; both support those who are already overly privileged. A Misogynists' Rights Activists is basically an undetected sex offender, so the content of their 'minds' is of no value to the world. All written definitions of feminism go like this:

[multiquantumcheck]

Feminism is

the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes (Merriam Webster)

a social theory or political movement supporting the equality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life (wiktionary)

the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men (dictionary)

the principle that women should have political, economic, and social rights equal to those of men (yourdictionary)

[multiquantumcheck]

the advocacy of womens rights on the grounds of sexual equality (AskOxford)

belief and aim that women should have the same rights, power, and opportunities as men (google dictionary)

Someone who does not agree with feminism by default agrees with sexism and misogyny.

And yes, I can see that someone who wishes to kill all Swedish men, would also argue that 'feminists are not people'.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck Considering women have VAWA, all these task forces combating women being trafficked, women's studies, a beaucoup of health offices for women funded by the federal government, positive discrimination in school and in the workplace, I would say women are a special privileged class today. Obama and his stimulus plan also seem to think so.

You must be a lesbian, there can't be a man in his right mind that would date you.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Considering that women are the primary targets of gender violence and men the perpetrators, that employees prefer white men over equally well-performing female or minority employees (Helman et al. 2009), that women have to be twice as accomplished as men to receive equal credit, let alone pay (Wenneras & Wold 1996), that there is a mother penalty but no father penalty, that women are expected to work and take care of the children and put up with endless misogynistic rants, that all

[multiquantumcheck]

@multiquantumcheck

systems of representation and media outlets are controlled by men so that women only see themselves from the male point of view, that women are underrepresented in politics even though they outperform men in school and college and are better leaders, that women there are entire industries which aim to degrade and hurt women and cater to men's anti-social and sadistic tendencies, etc.

Men run the world. Stop whining, you silly lewd boy.

[Markohoppis]

Of course, men in media outlets are oppressive with their views on women, that is why you see shows like Nancy Grace and Mitchell amongst a hundred other talk shows where men are treated with gender neutral language and demonized ( treatment of Duke Lacrosse Case by Nancy Grace.) I always hear about the oppression of women on TV and the pay wage gap, you're ridiculous.

Women represent over half the vote, women don't even like women in politics. A few men have a lot of power, most men do not.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Perhaps your plight is impaired reading comprehension.

All sources of representation are controlled by men, from religions, language, tales, cultures, movies to music. Whether is is Adam's rib or rappers oining on 'hoes' and how they wish to kill certain women (Eminem): women are always represented from the male point of view and abused.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics does not believe that the gender pay gap is ridiculous.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck The gender gap has been shown to be a product of job choice, type of education, and choices rather than a product of discrimination as feminists proclaim.

what a great generalization based on Eminem. Women are oppressed in the media when you have a supreme court justice nominee who makes a sexist remark against men and still gets the position and when Obama proclaims "anything a man can do, a woman can do better." Then obama lavishes women with his economic stimulus bill.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Well, considering that women do outperform men in school and college, manage the same work load AND take care of the children AND put up with misogynistic rants, Obama may have a point...

There have been several reports about the gender pay gap: When you control for age, education, occupation, experience, and all other factors known to influence pay, there still remains an unexplained pay gap of 7-25%.

[multiquantumcheck]

Which is, of course, not really surprising if you consider that employers and costumers prefer white men over equally well performing women and minority employees (Hekman et al. 2009) or that women with children are less likely to be hired than equally qualified men with children (Carnegie Mellon 2005) etc.

The discrimination against women in job market are endless. Misogynists' Rights Activists aim to continue and expand this discrimination.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck women make terrible firefighters, soliders, and men perform better in math and sciences. Yet Obama was wrong for saying that, as it is sexist. If roles were reversed...

7-25% still? doubtful. I believe it's more like 2%. I did read that single childless women make equal or more to men, though.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

•Internationally, fourth-grade girls significantly outperformed boys in every G8 country that participated in the 2001 Progress in International Reading Literacy Study (PIRLS). Fifteen-year-old girls outperformed boys among the 28 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries participating in the 2000 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA).

[multiquantumcheck]

Girls in grades 4, 8, and 12 consistently outperform males in reading and writing on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP).

Achievement on general knowledge assessments is similar, but a higher percentage of girls (80 percent) than boys (73 percent) recognize words by sight by the second semester of first grade.

Overall, girls are more likely to take the Advanced Placement (AP) exams.

[multiquantumcheck]

In science achievement, there was no consistent pattern of male or female advantage across grades on the past two NAEP exams. With the exception of physics, girls enroll in equally or more challenging math and science coursework. Boys, however, are more likely to report liking math and science

Your 'doubt' is of no value. Even after controlling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors known to affect pay, 7-25% of the pay gap remains unexplained and is due to sex

discrimination.

[Markohoppis]

When women behave in the workplace as men do, the wage gap between them is small. June O'Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found that among people ages 27 to 33 who have never had a child, women's earnings approach 98 percent of men's. Women who hold positions and have skills and experience similar to those of men face wage disparities of less than 10 percent, and many are within a couple of points.

Doubtful. More like bullshit like every other piece of info you produce

[Markohoppis]

According to SAT scores from 1972 to 200, males have consistently outscored females in math.

Everyone recognizes the pay wage gap myth, except for you and your outdated studies. Good luck on that.

"A study of the gender wage gap conducted by economist June O' Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found that women earn 98 percent of what men do when controlled for experience, education, and number of years on the job."

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

"Just one year after college graduation, women earn only 80 percent of what their male counterparts earn. Ten years after graduation, women fall further behind, earning only 69 percent of what men earn. Even after controlling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors known to affect earnings, the

research indicates that one‑quarter of the pay gap remains unexplained and is due to sex discrimination. Over time, the unexplained portion of the pay gap grows."

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

(U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics 2006 and AAUW Educational foundation 2007).

Hekman et al 2009, Wenneras & Wold 1996 and many more show the anti-female bias that permeate all aspects of employment.

The SAT scores in 1972? Really? Someone is getting so so desperate.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

And once again: Why should women make goof soldiers? They are not the onse who start wars, men are. Women already risk their health, their careers and sometimes their lives to give birth, so why should we make them fight in wars that have always been started and maintained bx men?

Silly boy.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck War is a human condition. Haven't there been many powerful women throughout history that have sent their people to war or attributed to it? Brunhilda of Austrasia did her share in instigating violence in her kingdom.

Women also coax men into war. Men were considered cowards by women if they did not go to war in WWI.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

All wars have been started by men. ALL wars, without exclusion. Before you unleash your pathetic historical knowledge (or lack thereof), please know that I have had this conversation with dozens of Misogynists' Rights Activists and yes, ALL wars have been started by men.

If a man had not started WWI, there would be no need for men to go to war. Your notion that women somehow 'coaxed men into war' by considering them cowards is simply ridiculous.

[Markohoppis]

Margaret Thatcher succesfully implemented the war against Argentina in the Falkland Islands.

You are wrong. Yes, women pushed men into war lest they be labelled cowards. You know nothing of history or really anything else. I've given you enough time, now go lick your wounds and talk nonsense to someone actually on your level.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

On 2 April 1982, the ruling military junta in Argentina (meaning a group of MEN) invaded the Falkland Islands and South Georgia, British overseas territories that Argentina claimed. The following day, Thatcher sent a naval task force to recapture the islands and eject the invaders.

As you can see it was once again a group of men who started a war. Before you further display your sub-standard intellect,THINK. THINK. THINK.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck according to the CDC, women were the primary aggressors in domestic abuse in nonreciprocal violence.

Wenneras & Wold 1996? A Swedish study. Whenever there is detected discrimination, it's usually bad science.

Women are expected to take care of children while men are expected to go to war, take dangerous jobs, and provide for their families. Men are also not entitled to DNA testing of their offspring, receive custody of children less, and are roped into paying child support

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Ah, now I remember: According to you, Swedes deserve 'nothing but hatred and violence', so I should not be surprised that research conducted by Swedes is unacceptable to you.

No women are expected to work, take care of the children and put up with misogynists rants.

Btw, men are the ones who start all wars, so why should women clean up your mess? OMG, men are seriously expected to pay for their children?! How frivolous, how shocking, how indecent?!

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

One more thing:

There are few things that could make you seem more foolish that you already do: Harping on statistics by the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI and scientists like Neil Malamuth is one of them.

Now go back to cuddling your mother's underwear.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck I question the methodologies used by these agencies, and look for academic studies and prosecuted cases as anyone who isn't a college freshman does.

Some of the statistics that these agencies use are flawed and uncorroborated.

Feminists such as NOW support sexist laws like VAWA which negates the standard definition of feminism. I'm sure even Nazisim was once defined as something noble.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Indeed, it does take a Misogynists' Rights Activist to discredit the U.S: Department of Justice and insist against all logic, truth, and decency that it is white men who are somehow 'oppressed'.

Nazism was a particularly 'masculine' phenomenon, which placed undue emphasis on the military, strength, domination, and brotherhood. As such, it is no wonder that it was intended to kill and subjugate. The dictionaries call a spade a spade; therefore: Feminism = AWESOME; Nazism= EVIL.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck I didn't discredit it, facts did.

Radical feminism is trying to oppress men. Your bad statistics and bad studies (of which I have corrected a few times already) are just the tools fems use to do it. Half of men would rape if they could get away with it, 1 in 6 or 1 in 4 women will be raped, pay wage gap. all utter nonsense with very bad motivations toward men. Should be qualified as a hate crime.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Well yeeees, the U.S. Department of Justice statistics are 'bad' and researchers like Neil Malamuth are 'evil'. It is a sad truth that people like you are too ignorant to realize when their stupidity has been established.

Truth hurts when you are a Misogynists' Rights Activist.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck Then how many convictions and cases of human trafficking were there in America in the 21st century? Can you answer that?

[ayeaye86]

why do men typically seek prostitutes and not women? It's not because women desire sex less, but because men desire power over women more. They desire the power that comes with their superior economic and social status that allows them to put a woman in complete submission.

[DavidMadsen]

I want to sell sex, shouldn't I be able to do that without people trying to punish me for that?

[heidiface3d]

oh, and the banking comparison - I'll bet that most bankers live to be older than 40, on average... unlike prostitutes.

[makaocloud]

like he said, if the people that are meeting to have sex are educated and conscientious, then they will be doing it safer than those who are trafficking and selling children to do sex. We have to accept that prostitution will never go away, might as well make it safer then worse.

[pfarabee]

Bankers don't have to put up with pimps constantly beating on them either. Of course, that could have something to do with the fact that bankers can call the police if someone assaults them.

[heidiface3d]

Payment for sex is one thing, but can you guarantee that EVERYONE is in it voluntarily AND that there will be no abuse?

[yerk3]

heidiface3d: These things would be brought down greatly with regulation. Keeping prostitution illegal doesn't make it go away, it just makes it impossible to regulate, leading to pimps and disease. If it were legal and regulated, there would be far less abuse. The girls would have a legal avenue to pursue in the case of abuse and exploitation, without fear of themselves being arrested.

[makaocloud]

No, but people will sure as hell feel better knowing that they can now do it legally, without having to fear that no one will help them.

[makaocloud]

its just like we have cops. There are crimes everyday, and society invented the system to have protection. It does not grantee that no one will get hurt and that there will be no drugs, but at least they are there to help as much as they can and im pretty sure we are better off with police than without.

[pfarabee]

Can you guarantee that the shoes you are wearing weren't assembled by a tortured 8 year old in some sweatshop in the middle of nowhere?

The answer is no. However, transparency in the practices of the business makes it much more likely that no abuse has taken place.

In other words, legalization brings accountability. Accountability brings an improved, more reliably fair presentation of service.

[Thanos7300]

Wow Tyler wins the debate hands down

[NyimaWongchuk]

Excellent points.

[axjxhx]

he's SOOOO lying :(

[justgivemethetruth]

We use things that we cannot define, like consenting adults, prostitution, and then blur the issue by comparing prostititution to marriage. Or by comparing this style of debate to informing the public. This is people trying to win a contest, that corrupts the debate.

[justgivemethetruth]

Yeah, make it a question of regulation. Argue about what should be right in a social setting by pointing out the problems with war or pathology. The diversity question is absurd, how can you tell things went fine with prostitution in ancient China.

Comparing marriage in poorer cultures is not a good comparison. There is not enough police of observers to regulate at the scale this would need to protect people.

What people do is fine until someone is damaged or forced.

[anyfoolknowthat]

Tyler, you've got to wash that black magic marker off your forehead. Remember signalling, signalling, signalling...

[machngunjoe]

ya he won this debate at 5.50

[unmarshal]

tyler cowen is awesome

[lidstrom83]

yeah, I can't believe the other side ended up winning this one

[NyimaWongchuk]

Really? Ahhh... Wow.

[lidstrom83]

What points did you disagree with? Did you agree with any?

[lidstrom83]

Or are you just surprised that I expected the other side to lose the debate after this? (Cause in retrospect that was probably dumb.)

[Lawlow1978]

he just won this debate right here