you will realize how bs they are unless used in an young world scenario lol, young world creationism is the most plausible theory and its what i beleive and regardless their is a hundreds other things in the universe that give proof of a creator anyone who can miss that is fuckin dumb and have been given over to a depraved mind. If your really a scientist you base your beleif in the most plausible choice if none of the options are proven evoloutionist/old earth creationist arent good scientists.
virtually impossible, e.g. the cosmic dust from the moon and the steady decay of the magnetic poles these alone are not based on methods that have been affected by any variables because the methods of caculation used in young earth creationism are in agreement with all partys unlike the methods used in evoloution and old earth theorys, despite what anyone says the arguement for a young eatrh creationist theory is stronger watch ,how old is the earth, and then research the diferent dating methods
each method for age measuremaent has its limits and inconsitancys and thats why sometimes they yeild the exact same inconsistant results some foolish ppl beleive when they yeild the same results they are giving a an accurate reading when their just equally insufficient,however they are all effective in a small periods of time in the range of a few thousand years prior to where we are now. the young earth theory is based on a few sound pieces of evidence that make the old earth and evoloution
the video is fucken dumb and so is evryone commenting on it, theirs so much ligitament proof for both young and old earth theorys it would be foolish to assume any exact date, and in comparison to one another the young world eath theory is much more plausible seeing as the old earth theory that sides with evoloution tends tobe based on faulty methods of calculation that only continue to show inconsistancys under anything less than lab conditions the variables that affect these methods are endles
It's because God is creating a lot of other civilisations on other planets as well and wants them all to create a level of technology so he can start up an interstellar war. Basically God's plan is to start up a betting website where you can bet on which starsystem will win...etc
I don't know how Christians could be evolutionist! you may shout me down with unbelivabe "evidence" but if got created (evolved us) to do his will and follow him then when did we start? when we could just about talk? and if God loves us more than the animals as he says in the bible then when did he start? when we could thank him for loving us? it doesn't make sense! He must have created us as we are today or NO chirstian theory would work.
@angryspidertv And we know there is no god because there is absolutely no evidence for any, not even one.
There is no god, you ignorant myth spreading moron. No one spreading ancient ignorance deserves any respect, that's why I freely call you a delusional fucking moron.
@mechanicmike69 Just visit my fav. site called Evidence for God from Science. And chill out man, don't blow your lid. Let's debate this calmly, that's how we can convince each other, instead of swearing at each other and all that you're doing, because seriously you're not helping your case at all X)
Here's a new one - they are defeated about the age of the earth so they change their tack and now say God pelts us with meteors to "remove" species and then creates new ones! Why didnt god just go "puff" no more dinsaurs and "puff" new animals? Why did he go with the messy and pain inflicting meteor hit? He's a nasty god and needs destruction thats why.
@aden302000 Absolutely not true. If he had just went 'puff', the animals would have died anyway. The meteor would have altered the atmosphere and done several things that we probably may never now about. God created the universe and usually works through natural means to eliminate and generate. After all it's his creation, why can't he enjoy it?
@angryspidertv You spread Christian religious myths. You are an ignorant myth spreading moron. There is no god, and you therefore can not say you know what that god has done or will do. If you try to claim you do, you are patently insane and delusional. God is an answer for only the ignorant. You must be one ignorant mother fucker.
A strange mixture of truth, faith, wild speculation. A thin scientific veneer on the idea of multiple creations which saw its last serious defenders die with the XIXth century.
At first I didn't know why this video had so many thumbs down, because he seemed like a healthy scientist explaining what science knows... then he started blathering about God's plan.. and I understood XD
@angryspidertv You must be one of those ignorant theist fucks who only take the science that might show there is a god (any god and it doesn't even matter if it's your religion's god)and ignores all the science that proves there isn't a god.
God is a myth and you can type nothing that changes that FACT.
@angryspidertv I'd love there to be a creator and an afterlife. Unfortunately we need to face the facts. This guy's science is fine until he starts giving scientific "evidence" for God... because his "evidence" is flawed. If his evidence was so strong, scientists would pick up on it... believe me. Unfortunately his "evidence" doesn't survive scientific method.
@Wotanraven Many scientists do hold to intelligent design... they're just not sure which way to go with it. Many don't accept this evidence for many of the same reasons mechanicmike69 doesn't... perhaps you should really research old earth creationism more, there are many answers there and for the most part answers in the Bible. FYI the Bible refers to the Big Bang at least 17 times X)
@Wotanraven Many scientists do hold to intelligent design... they're just not sure which way to go with it. Many don't accept this evidence for many of the same reasons mechanicmike69 doesn't... perhaps you should really research old earth creationism more, there are many answers there and for the most part answers in the Bible. FYI the Bible refers to the Big Bang at least 17 times X)
The bible does not refer to any big bang, in the modern day sense. you interpret to your whims. all Christians interpret the bible to their whims. that's why there is 40,000 versions of Christianity. not a single one of them agree on their 'interpretation' of the same bible. Now let's start talking about the other 17 main religion's in the world, you know what 70% or more of the rest of the world believes. they do not believe your religion's fables (and they are fables)
@mechanicmike69 Ezekiel 1:22, Isaiah 40:22, 42:5, 44:24, 45:12, 48:13, 51:13, Jeremiah 10:12, 51:15, Job 9:8, 26:7, 37:18, Psalm 18:9, 104:2, 144:5, 2 Sam 22:10, Zech 12:1. These all obviously refer to the continuing expansion of the heavens. Other verses in the Bible make it very clear the universe had a single beginning, as the Big Bang dictates. Did U kno the BB model was presented by a Ukrainian priest named Georges Lemaitre and not atheists? They didn't want to accept it at first...
@angryspidertv That's not the big bang science refers to today. You fail at yet another interpretation of a translation that is a translation of an interpretation of a translation of a translation, or an interpretation. You fail you even understand where your holy text comes from, you ignorant fucking moron. Do you know what hearsay is? the bible doesn't even qualify for hearsay, you fucking idiot.
@angryspidertv I like Ezekiel 23:19-20 where they talk about a woman liking the guy hung like a horse and comes like a horse. Yeah, the bible great stuff, are you also too ignorant to understand there are other religions and their religious texts that totally disagree with yours, and you are the 'sinner' according to their Holy Texts? Your god is not only fake but according to them the wrong one, a false one.
@mechanicmike69 I don't quite understand you... Ezekiel 23 doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about. There are other religions, but they all apply to people's whims, and so as to make it easier ways for people to be saved. Earlier religions portray gods as quarrelsome and in constant disagreement - making mistakes. The God of the Bible is not like that. Seriously you are the ignorant one. You should get a Bible.
@angryspidertv The bible is bullshit and it doesn't matter what the fuck it says, the fact you think it is intelligence and wisdom proves you are a delusional fucking fool and moron.
Case closed.
You should read the bible for the first time, you ignorant fucking moron. It's the best case for atheism there ever was.
@mechanicmike69 so in your opinion the Bible is nonsense even though you have no basis for that, the fact that I think it is intelligence is enough to drive you off even though you have no evidence it IS nonsense, and you're saying the Bible is evidence for atheism. Perhaps you should read the Bible... you sound like somebody who's barely heard of it. You don't know anything about it at all. You think I'M ignorant? Don't be stupid :{
@Wotanraven Many scientists do hold to intelligent design... they're just not sure which way to go with it. Many don't accept this evidence for many of the same reasons mechanicmike69 doesn't... perhaps you should really research old earth creationism more, there are many answers there and for the most part answers in the Bible. FYI the Bible refers to the Big Bang at least 17 times X)
How old are dinosaurs? Well. my dinosaur (his name is Edwin) is 32. But seriously, there is a scientific take on this: the weak and the strong anthropic principle. It boils down to: Why have we all arrived at this place where conditions for life are just right for us? A question that no-one can quite yet answer. You might answer that 'God made it so' or you may say: 'We are here because the physical conditions of the universe allowed us to be here.' or: 'Hell, I don't know'...
If you read the bible carefully, it cleary says a god created the first human and named him adam, 77 generations before the time of jesus, which would be around 4000BC. That is not EVEN wrong, its totally absurd.
Since there was no adam who sinned against a god, like the bible says, there is no need for a divine human sacrifice nailed to a stick.
the bible is nothing but absurd goat farmer mythology.
Why is it so important for you people to Bash Believers I mean seriously does it make you feel Intelligent and Magnanimous to belittle people about their beliefs.
@RomanHistoryNut Mainly because the claims of believers are idiotic and inconsistent with any data. We actually don't bash them as hard as they themselves are spreading this mental disease to us and our children.
Americans need to put a stop to these religious retards before they ruin America by turning it into a religious state, These people are no better than the Muslim fundamentalists (Taliban) in some countries that want to run the country by sharia law, it is exactly the same thing. Religious fundamentalism is a bad thing, regardless of what religion it is.
Why would God rotate the species that lived and are living on earth? Ancient forests and dinosaurs to make us oil and gas isn't a viable explanation. If god has a "plan".....what is it?
@outsidelight1 seems like a mighty brilliant plan to me. He knew we would need resources, that's why he put millions of years of living organisms before us. This is where we get our fossil fuels from.
yeah god does the bump off the dino's a different times(sigh what a crock) for a perfect being it sure couldn't make up its mind. but its perfect and doesn't error but wipe out species, but it does no wrong, kill off the lizards....see where we're going it isn't perfect thus falable thus a creation of man. None of these previous areas had belief in it, why should we now?
@winterstellar C'mon he's not that bad. I mean cut out the last minute and it was impressive considering he's an apologist. How many apologists these days say we know the earth is old and new species have come into being?
@JungleJargon ...i dont know what you call proof but i copied and pasted your link and it lead me to this video clip..."Haitian V Watches 2 Girls 1 Cup".....
i watched his responce to the movie, then intrigued as to what he had seen i spent the next 3 hours searching the internet archives for the video he had viewed, i found it, i watched it,,,and i have yet to understand how two dykes from the 70's eating each others shit out of a plastic vending machine cup proves the existence of God...?
Fucking bullshit. Hugh Ross is an agent of Satan for coming up with that 4.5 billion year old myth. The Earth is 6-10 thousand years old you crackpots!
A reindeer herder in Russia's Arctic has stumbled on the pre-historic remains of a baby woolly mammoth poking out of the permafrost, local officials said on Friday.
The herder said the carcass was as perfectly preserved as the 40,000-year-old mammoth calf Lyuba discovered in the same remote region four years ago, authorities said, adding that an expedition had set off hoping to confirm the "sensational" find.
Where does this guy get off on spewing all this bullshit as though he's a scientist. The problem is that most American Christians are pretty dumb and will lap this stuff up without questioning it.
@xNoReligionx America should really consider spending more tax payer monney on education.
Its an established fact that an well funded education program teaches kids critical thinking and gives them the skills needed to make well formed desicions (spelling?)
@Sweddude Yes indeed, the shocking thing for me is that the biggest economy in the world does not spend enough on education. I now understand why there is so much elitism in the US with people who are well educated and a bunch of other people called Billy Bob or Bubba, who are thick shit stupid.
It does not surprise me that a load of Muslims in backward countries chant the Koran over and over and believe in Allah and have no concept of Science, but this is also so which Christians in the US.
@Sweddude Yeah well you are one better than most of us who are fortunate enough to have English as their Mother Tongue.. I'm always astounded at how well you Scandinavians speak our language. I can just about get by in French, and I have survival Japanese, but it's a struggle, I have to think about what I'm going to say and construct my sentence. As for writing in those languages, I'm hopeless!
@xNoReligionx Here in sweden it is actually mandatory to study english and get a passing grade in it, otherwise you will not be able to study further than 9th grade (that means no specialist education such as electrician or healthcare studies) We also have a choice of a third language wich are mostly a choice between french and german, i still cant belive i got a passing grade in french :P
@Sweddude Well I know that most of the Scandinavian countries are very progressive in this respect. My ancestors came from Denmark on my mothers side... Vikings, I guess they were not so progressive back then... lol.
Anyway, nice chatting to you and good to see more and more SANE (meaning non-religious) people on here.
how old is the earth? Fing always existed, the matter/energy that made it up has existed since before the big bang but has reformed over time so I win.
@490er well, I always say that eventually we will. Our own existence proves that intelligent life has a nonzero probability and given an undefined amount of time, that would mean that somewhere out there sometime there probably will be intelligent life.
@Pandadruid your probley right we will find life somewhere that is smart enough to talk
the only thing is that we might be un able to interact with each other
we use vibrations in the air (sound) to talk to each other but a different kind of life say based off something other then carbon could use something different
I hope I can pile up a lot of gas after I die, so I can support civilization and technology that is poisoning our planet. WTF ? is this guy a piece of work, or what.
i have absolutely no idea how some commenters find any of this "non sensical" because to me it makes perfect sense. Sure some of the little bits of information might be slightly off, but the main points hold up! some people are so adamant to disbelieve
Why blame God for removing 'unfit' life forms? If the environment changed so that existing creatures couldn't live in it wouldn't they die off on their own with no need for external assistance?!
@JimTLonW6 God creates life whenever and wherever he can. He changed Earth's environment to be suitable for life and made trillions of life forms on it. As Earth's environment is constantly changing, God made creatures more suitable for those changes. In other words what he meant was the REPLACEMENT of the 'unfit' life forms.
@angryspidertv No need to call God in aid, life forms able to survive in a changed environment evolve new forms able to develop in the new environment. You can see this in the various extinctions that have occurred on earth.
It's rubbish to say 'God creates whenever and wherever he can...' if this were so we would find life throughout the solar system; we don't.
@JimTLonW6 No... it's not rubbish. God designed Earth. He was there every step of the way. He made the conditions right so he COULD create life, so it would be possible.
That ignores the long interval between the creation of the Earth and the appearance of life. The conditions for life didn't exist for 700 million years of the total life of our planet, it was 3.5 billion yrs before multicellular life appeared. How come G didn't get it right in the beginning?
@JimTLonW6 I don't understand you... God was preparing the Earth for life before it showed up, obviously, and the single-celled organisms at the beginning were essential for the preparation of multicellular life.
@JimTLonW6 I don't understand... God was preparing the Earth for life, obviously. Single-celled organisms were essential for the preparation of multicellular life.
@JimTLonW6 See here's where you've misunderstood a big part of our doctine. God is outside of time, meaning he's not limited to it. 2 Peter 3:8 and several other verses make this clear. We, as physical beings, are restricted to three dimensions and one direction through time. He could have made the Earth in six days, he could have made it in several billion years. He's not restricted. Instead he constructed it in a long time span because it was more practical, and I daresay necessary for life
@JimTLonW6 I'm not sure what you mean by the 'no God' chronology. If you mean the astronomical and geological histories of the universe, there's where you're mistaken. It doesn't matter how old the universe is, so long as it had a beginning. It doesn't matter how it was built, so long as it WAS built. It doesn't matter HOW God chose to create or replicate life, so long as he did. I don't see what problem you have with it.
@angryspidertv Of course it matters how the universe was built. There's a reason why Earth is so much younger than the universe; there are reasons why life took time to appear and why it appeared in the order that it did. All of this happens without any need of an intervention by 'God', and certainly without fanciful theories about what God might or might not have done.
@JimTLonW6 I never said it didn't matter, I said it didn't matter so long as you believe God was behind it. Look at the history of Earth. It's obvious it's sacred and protected. Look at how the moon formed. Theia crashed at the just right angle/velocity/speed/location into the terribly stormy Earth (worse than Venus). After that, many things happened, like the Hadean era. Look at how fragile we are. Anything goes wrong and we're gone. Yet life has been here for 3 billion years.
@JimTLonW6 Undoubtedly, after God's creation 'week' ended, the forces he set in motion are still going. Formation of galaxies (very very slow, obviously) solar systems, moons, astronomical collisions, star formations, earthquakes etc, yet Earth's history he sheltered and kept safe. Our sun, earth, moon, surrounding planets, galaxy, and universe are the just-right age for life.
Well of course they're the right age for life, or there wouldn't be any. But God's got nothing to do with it, it arises from physical forces that create the elements, compounds and other bodies in the Universe. Try reading about the Anthropic principle
@JimTLonW6 Dude, listen to what I'm saying, very carefully. God sets forces in motion. Earthquakes are essential. That doesn't mean every single time there's an earthquake it's sent by God for judgement... Or that he was behind it at all. Without these circles and cycles going on in nature, life would be impossible. However, I'm saying God was watching over the Earth all these eons, keeping it safe, sheltering it, and causing the forces that would later make things possible for life.
@angryspidertv no it all works without God, there's no need to invent a God to start it all, or to make it work. Anyway, which God are we talking about here? There are rather a lot to choose from.
Incidentally there's no lack of theories as to how the universe came into existence, probably as many 'No God' theories as there are Gods in fact!
@JimTLonW6 (CONT) you might have already known this, but our universe is in its middle-age phase. Any younger would mean not enough materials would have been produced for planet building. We need to have had millions of generations of plant death for fossil fuels, and our Earth, star, galaxy need to be the right age. We need to have had millions of years of sustenance from star death and countless other factors. 'Time' is not a measure of God's power. It doesn't matter how long he took.
@JimTLonW6 whoops, a little mistake. My point is that the universe is the right age. Virtually all the galaxies are around the same age. They begin as quasars and develop into galaxies, kind of like metamorphosis in a way. And which sentence are you referring to? There are so many posts....
@angryspidertv well work it out mate! This is wasting my time (and yours, but maybe you're on god's time so it doesn't matter!).
You really don't seem to know very much about the creation processes of the universe, nobody thinks quasars metamorphose into galaxies. And Quasars are certainly not older than galaxies, as your statement requires, they are often younger.
@JimTLonW6 I'm sorry, I got confused. I meant 'protogalaxy'. Yes we do see protogalaxies in space. That's what I meant, and I apologize. But that's not even the main point. I believe in stellar evolution. You shouldn't consider this a waste of time. I'm sorry, but this is a debate that we need to settle. I find it kind of fun... I'm learning a lot from this one.
@angryspidertv You don't have to 'believe' in Stellar evolution, it's the way stars work given their initial masses. Stars are forming today in many places, both in our galaxy and in others.
Latest evidence is that the Universe will not have an end, hence it can't be middle-aged.
1. What I meant by the galaxies being middle-aged was that they were in the right 'age' for life and spreading of materials. Of course the galaxies will die eventually, then what happens? The universe continues to expand with a bunch of dead material. That's what I meant by middle aged.. between death and birth.
2. What you just described was stellar evolution (stellar birth/death/change/life and we both agree on that, so I rest my case ^_^
@gregrutz So what's your point? Geologists knew the Earth was old before Darwin too. Dinosaurs replacing dinosaurs doesn't mean they evolved. It simply means they were replaced.
@angryspidertv So every million years or so God just makes thing more complex and takes away the old model? That would explain why most of the species that ever lived are extinct.
@gregrutz God makes life wherever he can. Since he basically has been making sure our Earth can sustain life, he takes his creative power to a great extent. Multicellular organisms are essential for fossil fuels, as they were for shaping the environments of many different ecosystems over millions of years. Indeed it would explain why most species are extinct... it also makes me wonder how much more he's created that we'll most likely never know about. Amazing life forms yet to be discovered! :D
@gregrutz The God of the Christian Bible... (you know, the only holy book that doesn't conform to Man's selfish whims and petty desires) the God outside of time (he actually made time. Pretty amazing, huh?) the God who created life, who guided Earth every step of the way, and did a bunch of other cool amazing awesome stuff that's the God I'm talking about :)
@angryspidertv Bullshit. man made up the bible, and man made up god, your a fucking delusional moron to believe otherwise. Religiously brainwashed asshole.
@JimTLonW6 I don't see how the old earth view contradicts any of the evidence. Nothing in astronomy contradicts it. I know about the origins of the earth. Several billion years ago a planet the size of mars collided with it to produce the moon and the new earth. Tell me what's scientifically wrong with my view. Go ahead.
2.Dinosaurs were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous period (65 million years ago), when the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event caused the extinction of most dinosaur species, except for some birds.
Is this guy's speech supposed to be a call to arms to rise up against a capricious god before he becomes bored with the current population of Earth and decides to trigger another extinction event?
And by "remove species" he means God obliterates them from space by chucking asteroids at them. Then he lets his beloved creations roast in lava, or alternatively slowly die out in a newly inhospitable environment, as he plans the next wave of species to play with.
I asked Matt Dillahunty of The Atheist Experience what he thought about this, he said he would ask "Dr. Ross, when discussing the age of the Earth you gave specifics &referenced the mountain of evidence that allow you to give that specific information - but when you claim that this is god's plan & that he creates and causes extinctions, you are surprisingly vague & seem to offer no evidence....." continued
@mutley2209 ....." As a scientist, I'm curious not only why you find those assertions believable but why you're willing to make those claims alongside hard scientific facts as if the two were on equal footing. Isn't that more than a tad dishonest? Isn't it unscientific?"
I really wish someone like Matt where there to challenge this fraudulent 'scientist' in public in front of this ignorant crowd
Continued...Science has yet to replicate the simplest of amino acids and protozoas to combine to establish a living organisim of what science says how it all started! in a pool of goo...we have had 4.5 billion years to figure this out...why can't we do it???...and the answer i give most will disagree with...It began with GOD and his amazing power!...How he took and formed "man" from the dust of the ground and breathed life into it....So I would like to see science push some dirt ..continued
@podoau -- Well...that's ok ...I can respect your opinion...so you don't belive the Bible huh?...I suppose you view the Holy Bible as I view mormonism or Jehovah's Wittnesses and the Seventh Day adventists as being cults!. to each his own. Do I think that the dinosaurs were killed by a giant meteorite? (Ite meaning rock) very possible given from what is found so far, could it be random chance? But who to say that this rock wasn't guided by God? (I know it sounds silly) we weren't there.
@podoau -- (1st you'll reject this explanation) If you read the Bible you would have the answer to that question!. Why do I see the other faiths as cults?...because their belief and teachings conflict with scripture, that's why I commented that way. I don't expect you to belive what I say on this and I'm cool with that and don't think your a lost soul either, but before someone condems a source of information they need to read and see what it offers as a reason for evidence. Look at both sides.
@JSeely218 First you need to establish what scripture is true. Moronism (Moronism) IS a cult, dont get me started on noscientology,, but, christianity is based on a story that has no supporting evidence, so, its a myth.
I have read the bible cover to covertwice. I studied the bible for 6 years in high school. Whilst there is some evidence that some historical events may have happened, such as part of the exodus, there is no evidence at all that jesus was the son of god, or performed miricles
@podoau -- There's a video you could watch (If you want to) it's called ....Proofs that the Bible is true ...by a user called reynandvalenzuela ...it pretty much sums it up better than I could. That's if you want to. It's 9:51 long
The old "predictions" again.. Anyone can insert a prediction into a text after the event has happened. Besides, those predictions are about everyday events. I predict you will eat tomorrow !! woo hoo !! I was right.
Then we have teh "scientific" evidence. Again, so vague that thiat christians just grab a word and pretend that it predicts science. Nxext you will tell me that the word darkness predicts the discovery of black holes
@podoau -- ok...have a great day then...watching how you emphatically reject the word of GOD as truth only proves what is said in the bible in the prophetic verses of latter days....good luck my friend...you "will" need it.
@JSeely218 I reject it becuse there is no evidence. You claim The bible has these "prophecies" but its the bible predicting the bible. You cant say that someone writting on of the newer gospels didnt just insert the event because it was mentioned in an earlier book..especially over 1700 years."Oh, I think I'll with a gospel, this thing was talked about 1000 years ago, so I'll write about that too"".. One self serving prediction
Please provide evidence to your clim that I "will" need it
@podoau -- I wasn't there when the earth was formed and neither were you, But I do know who was!...and that was GOD, Have you forgotten that I used to be a very strong athiest / evolutionist for 48 years of my life and was changed and convinced "AFTER" I read the Bible!..and this occured in just 1 year of studying the Bible,..I don't know how to explain it!...But I do know that a higher power is at work and it's a truth that one discovers when they change the way think and trust in the Bible.
you will realize how bs they are unless used in an young world scenario lol, young world creationism is the most plausible theory and its what i beleive and regardless their is a hundreds other things in the universe that give proof of a creator anyone who can miss that is fuckin dumb and have been given over to a depraved mind. If your really a scientist you base your beleif in the most plausible choice if none of the options are proven evoloutionist/old earth creationist arent good scientists.
listenup345 1 month ago
virtually impossible, e.g. the cosmic dust from the moon and the steady decay of the magnetic poles these alone are not based on methods that have been affected by any variables because the methods of caculation used in young earth creationism are in agreement with all partys unlike the methods used in evoloution and old earth theorys, despite what anyone says the arguement for a young eatrh creationist theory is stronger watch ,how old is the earth, and then research the diferent dating methods
listenup345 1 month ago
each method for age measuremaent has its limits and inconsitancys and thats why sometimes they yeild the exact same inconsistant results some foolish ppl beleive when they yeild the same results they are giving a an accurate reading when their just equally insufficient,however they are all effective in a small periods of time in the range of a few thousand years prior to where we are now. the young earth theory is based on a few sound pieces of evidence that make the old earth and evoloution
listenup345 1 month ago
the video is fucken dumb and so is evryone commenting on it, theirs so much ligitament proof for both young and old earth theorys it would be foolish to assume any exact date, and in comparison to one another the young world eath theory is much more plausible seeing as the old earth theory that sides with evoloution tends tobe based on faulty methods of calculation that only continue to show inconsistancys under anything less than lab conditions the variables that affect these methods are endles
listenup345 1 month ago
@listenup345 Your moron level is over 9000.
TomFynn 3 weeks ago
It's because God is creating a lot of other civilisations on other planets as well and wants them all to create a level of technology so he can start up an interstellar war. Basically God's plan is to start up a betting website where you can bet on which starsystem will win...etc
Amazing.
quinndexter 1 month ago
I don't know how Christians could be evolutionist! you may shout me down with unbelivabe "evidence" but if got created (evolved us) to do his will and follow him then when did we start? when we could just about talk? and if God loves us more than the animals as he says in the bible then when did he start? when we could thank him for loving us? it doesn't make sense! He must have created us as we are today or NO chirstian theory would work.
Dann0194 2 months ago
@richardhughes289 Because changing conditions are required for life on Earth. Kind of like an oil change for cars.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@3hh31 The craters were all caused by asteroids/meteors. We know this because of the characteristics of the craters.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv And we know there is no god because there is absolutely no evidence for any, not even one.
There is no god, you ignorant myth spreading moron. No one spreading ancient ignorance deserves any respect, that's why I freely call you a delusional fucking moron.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@mechanicmike69 Just visit my fav. site called Evidence for God from Science. And chill out man, don't blow your lid. Let's debate this calmly, that's how we can convince each other, instead of swearing at each other and all that you're doing, because seriously you're not helping your case at all X)
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv There is no evidence for god, you ignorant fucking moron.
There is no debate, you have no evidence, you have no god, you have no intelligence.
You have no defense.
Go Fish...
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@3hh31 Ross isn't promoting evolution... did you know that?
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@3hh31 "Dr. Ross did a good job his explanation"
Not really, he presumes there is a creator doing the job.
"...from ape-like creatures billions of years ago,..."
A few million years, not billion - a factor 1000 off.
"...this earth could have been filled those creatures by now"
Dead/extinct species stay dead, the live ones change to adapt to the world they live in, and only those fit to survive do.
"The question is where did they go?"
They are now dead.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@3hh31
99.9% of the species that were once in this planet are extinct . and that's a scientific fact. just go loo at the fossil record and find out.
MrTheblackmessenger 2 months ago
Here's a new one - they are defeated about the age of the earth so they change their tack and now say God pelts us with meteors to "remove" species and then creates new ones! Why didnt god just go "puff" no more dinsaurs and "puff" new animals? Why did he go with the messy and pain inflicting meteor hit? He's a nasty god and needs destruction thats why.
aden302000 2 months ago
@aden302000 Absolutely not true. If he had just went 'puff', the animals would have died anyway. The meteor would have altered the atmosphere and done several things that we probably may never now about. God created the universe and usually works through natural means to eliminate and generate. After all it's his creation, why can't he enjoy it?
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv So your answer basically is "god works in mysterious ways". How lame an argument.
aden302000 2 months ago
@aden302000 Where'd you get that from?
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv You spread Christian religious myths. You are an ignorant myth spreading moron. There is no god, and you therefore can not say you know what that god has done or will do. If you try to claim you do, you are patently insane and delusional. God is an answer for only the ignorant. You must be one ignorant mother fucker.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
A strange mixture of truth, faith, wild speculation. A thin scientific veneer on the idea of multiple creations which saw its last serious defenders die with the XIXth century.
dredesch 2 months ago
At first I didn't know why this video had so many thumbs down, because he seemed like a healthy scientist explaining what science knows... then he started blathering about God's plan.. and I understood XD
Wotanraven 3 months ago
@Wotanraven So you're one of those people that accept all scientific evidence unless it points to a creator, huh? Good for you...
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv You must be one of those ignorant theist fucks who only take the science that might show there is a god (any god and it doesn't even matter if it's your religion's god)and ignores all the science that proves there isn't a god.
God is a myth and you can type nothing that changes that FACT.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@angryspidertv I'd love there to be a creator and an afterlife. Unfortunately we need to face the facts. This guy's science is fine until he starts giving scientific "evidence" for God... because his "evidence" is flawed. If his evidence was so strong, scientists would pick up on it... believe me. Unfortunately his "evidence" doesn't survive scientific method.
Wotanraven 2 months ago
@Wotanraven Many scientists do hold to intelligent design... they're just not sure which way to go with it. Many don't accept this evidence for many of the same reasons mechanicmike69 doesn't... perhaps you should really research old earth creationism more, there are many answers there and for the most part answers in the Bible. FYI the Bible refers to the Big Bang at least 17 times X)
angryspidertv 2 months ago
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@Wotanraven Many scientists do hold to intelligent design... they're just not sure which way to go with it. Many don't accept this evidence for many of the same reasons mechanicmike69 doesn't... perhaps you should really research old earth creationism more, there are many answers there and for the most part answers in the Bible. FYI the Bible refers to the Big Bang at least 17 times X)
angryspidertv 2 months ago
The bible does not refer to any big bang, in the modern day sense. you interpret to your whims. all Christians interpret the bible to their whims. that's why there is 40,000 versions of Christianity. not a single one of them agree on their 'interpretation' of the same bible. Now let's start talking about the other 17 main religion's in the world, you know what 70% or more of the rest of the world believes. they do not believe your religion's fables (and they are fables)
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@mechanicmike69 Ezekiel 1:22, Isaiah 40:22, 42:5, 44:24, 45:12, 48:13, 51:13, Jeremiah 10:12, 51:15, Job 9:8, 26:7, 37:18, Psalm 18:9, 104:2, 144:5, 2 Sam 22:10, Zech 12:1. These all obviously refer to the continuing expansion of the heavens. Other verses in the Bible make it very clear the universe had a single beginning, as the Big Bang dictates. Did U kno the BB model was presented by a Ukrainian priest named Georges Lemaitre and not atheists? They didn't want to accept it at first...
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv That's not the big bang science refers to today. You fail at yet another interpretation of a translation that is a translation of an interpretation of a translation of a translation, or an interpretation. You fail you even understand where your holy text comes from, you ignorant fucking moron. Do you know what hearsay is? the bible doesn't even qualify for hearsay, you fucking idiot.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@angryspidertv I like Ezekiel 23:19-20 where they talk about a woman liking the guy hung like a horse and comes like a horse. Yeah, the bible great stuff, are you also too ignorant to understand there are other religions and their religious texts that totally disagree with yours, and you are the 'sinner' according to their Holy Texts? Your god is not only fake but according to them the wrong one, a false one.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@mechanicmike69 I don't quite understand you... Ezekiel 23 doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about. There are other religions, but they all apply to people's whims, and so as to make it easier ways for people to be saved. Earlier religions portray gods as quarrelsome and in constant disagreement - making mistakes. The God of the Bible is not like that. Seriously you are the ignorant one. You should get a Bible.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv The bible is bullshit and it doesn't matter what the fuck it says, the fact you think it is intelligence and wisdom proves you are a delusional fucking fool and moron.
Case closed.
You should read the bible for the first time, you ignorant fucking moron. It's the best case for atheism there ever was.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@mechanicmike69 so in your opinion the Bible is nonsense even though you have no basis for that, the fact that I think it is intelligence is enough to drive you off even though you have no evidence it IS nonsense, and you're saying the Bible is evidence for atheism. Perhaps you should read the Bible... you sound like somebody who's barely heard of it. You don't know anything about it at all. You think I'M ignorant? Don't be stupid :{
angryspidertv 2 months ago
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@Wotanraven Many scientists do hold to intelligent design... they're just not sure which way to go with it. Many don't accept this evidence for many of the same reasons mechanicmike69 doesn't... perhaps you should really research old earth creationism more, there are many answers there and for the most part answers in the Bible. FYI the Bible refers to the Big Bang at least 17 times X)
angryspidertv 2 months ago
When he said God the first time I threw up a little in my mouth.
joavim 3 months ago
How old are dinosaurs? Well. my dinosaur (his name is Edwin) is 32. But seriously, there is a scientific take on this: the weak and the strong anthropic principle. It boils down to: Why have we all arrived at this place where conditions for life are just right for us? A question that no-one can quite yet answer. You might answer that 'God made it so' or you may say: 'We are here because the physical conditions of the universe allowed us to be here.' or: 'Hell, I don't know'...
glutinousmaximus 3 months ago
If you read the bible carefully, it cleary says a god created the first human and named him adam, 77 generations before the time of jesus, which would be around 4000BC. That is not EVEN wrong, its totally absurd.
Since there was no adam who sinned against a god, like the bible says, there is no need for a divine human sacrifice nailed to a stick.
the bible is nothing but absurd goat farmer mythology.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
the earth is cca. 6000 years old and dinosaurs lived in the first 2000 years...
TheYouwontgetit 4 months ago
but...but...but..that's just not true
meaningfulphrase 4 months ago
Why is it so important for you people to Bash Believers I mean seriously does it make you feel Intelligent and Magnanimous to belittle people about their beliefs.
RomanHistoryNut 4 months ago
@RomanHistoryNut yes
EpicurusIVXX 4 months ago
@RomanHistoryNut
Because they try and teach my kids this rubbish
tokenbrit123 4 months ago
@RomanHistoryNut Mainly because the claims of believers are idiotic and inconsistent with any data. We actually don't bash them as hard as they themselves are spreading this mental disease to us and our children.
ketanovas 3 months ago
Couldn't your God just keep the earth's rotation constant, instead of performing special genocide? Garbage.
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Americans need to put a stop to these religious retards before they ruin America by turning it into a religious state, These people are no better than the Muslim fundamentalists (Taliban) in some countries that want to run the country by sharia law, it is exactly the same thing. Religious fundamentalism is a bad thing, regardless of what religion it is.
ACCSESS247 5 months ago
@ACCSESS247 Don't be stupid. Where the heck did you get the idea christians sought to take control of everything like the Taliban?
angryspidertv 2 months ago
Typical christian "science"... Get the facts then twist them to fit your god.
mikestash 5 months ago 4
@mikestash At least they are starting with facts now...
Who knows, couple of thousand years and they may drop the whole bullshit part alltogether.
DeMause 5 months ago
@DeMause That would take a miracle! lol
mikestash 5 months ago
@mikestash Give me an example of how the evidence is twisted in any way.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv Give me an example of any proof for any god. You delusional fucking moron.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
Why would God rotate the species that lived and are living on earth? Ancient forests and dinosaurs to make us oil and gas isn't a viable explanation. If god has a "plan".....what is it?
outsidelight1 5 months ago
@outsidelight1 seems like a mighty brilliant plan to me. He knew we would need resources, that's why he put millions of years of living organisms before us. This is where we get our fossil fuels from.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
yeah god does the bump off the dino's a different times(sigh what a crock) for a perfect being it sure couldn't make up its mind. but its perfect and doesn't error but wipe out species, but it does no wrong, kill off the lizards....see where we're going it isn't perfect thus falable thus a creation of man. None of these previous areas had belief in it, why should we now?
wcresponder 5 months ago
He started out sounding quite sane..but then he mentioned the invisible skydaddy..Thumbs down!! : )
winterstellar 5 months ago
@winterstellar C'mon he's not that bad. I mean cut out the last minute and it was impressive considering he's an apologist. How many apologists these days say we know the earth is old and new species have come into being?
RuinSonic 5 months ago
There is observable evidence that we have a Maker.
watch?v=qZev7hb40uk
JungleJargon 5 months ago
@JungleJargon ...i dont know what you call proof but i copied and pasted your link and it lead me to this video clip..."Haitian V Watches 2 Girls 1 Cup".....
i watched his responce to the movie, then intrigued as to what he had seen i spent the next 3 hours searching the internet archives for the video he had viewed, i found it, i watched it,,,and i have yet to understand how two dykes from the 70's eating each others shit out of a plastic vending machine cup proves the existence of God...?
HOMEnHIGH 5 months ago
Fucking bullshit. Hugh Ross is an agent of Satan for coming up with that 4.5 billion year old myth. The Earth is 6-10 thousand years old you crackpots!
DebunkingEvolution 6 months ago
@DebunkingEvolution lmao , your jokes man .
ZooYork258 5 months ago
@DebunkingEvolution
Do you have any evidence it's only 10,000 years old? (I doubt it).
radioactiveego 5 months ago
@DebunkingEvolution troll
RuinSonic 5 months ago
WHAT THE FUCK HE JUST PULLED GOD OUT OF HIS ASS!!!
PimpMyParadigm 6 months ago
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A reindeer herder in Russia's Arctic has stumbled on the pre-historic remains of a baby woolly mammoth poking out of the permafrost, local officials said on Friday.
The herder said the carcass was as perfectly preserved as the 40,000-year-old mammoth calf Lyuba discovered in the same remote region four years ago, authorities said, adding that an expedition had set off hoping to confirm the "sensational" find.
fenackerpan 6 months ago
6387 B.C.E
Malda - "Enook, you'd better clean your room or I'm going to call God to come and send you to Hell, where your flesh will burn for eternity."
Jebu -"Malda, are you sure you should lie to your child with threats of torture like that?"
Malda - "What's the worst that could happen?"
rubberbaby00 6 months ago
Where does this guy get off on spewing all this bullshit as though he's a scientist. The problem is that most American Christians are pretty dumb and will lap this stuff up without questioning it.
xNoReligionx 7 months ago
@xNoReligionx America should really consider spending more tax payer monney on education.
Its an established fact that an well funded education program teaches kids critical thinking and gives them the skills needed to make well formed desicions (spelling?)
Sweddude 7 months ago
@Sweddude Yes indeed, the shocking thing for me is that the biggest economy in the world does not spend enough on education. I now understand why there is so much elitism in the US with people who are well educated and a bunch of other people called Billy Bob or Bubba, who are thick shit stupid.
It does not surprise me that a load of Muslims in backward countries chant the Koran over and over and believe in Allah and have no concept of Science, but this is also so which Christians in the US.
xNoReligionx 7 months ago
@xNoReligionx Luckily i live in a country that saw too it that i got a good education:P
Sweddude 7 months ago
Never worry about spelling, I can't spell for shit, I'm Dyslexic, just have to rely on the spell checker.
xNoReligionx 7 months ago
@xNoReligionx Well, im swedish so im excused from havin problem with the spelling of english, talkin it is dead easy tough:P
Sweddude 7 months ago
@Sweddude Yeah well you are one better than most of us who are fortunate enough to have English as their Mother Tongue.. I'm always astounded at how well you Scandinavians speak our language. I can just about get by in French, and I have survival Japanese, but it's a struggle, I have to think about what I'm going to say and construct my sentence. As for writing in those languages, I'm hopeless!
xNoReligionx 7 months ago
@xNoReligionx Here in sweden it is actually mandatory to study english and get a passing grade in it, otherwise you will not be able to study further than 9th grade (that means no specialist education such as electrician or healthcare studies) We also have a choice of a third language wich are mostly a choice between french and german, i still cant belive i got a passing grade in french :P
Sweddude 7 months ago
@Sweddude Well I know that most of the Scandinavian countries are very progressive in this respect. My ancestors came from Denmark on my mothers side... Vikings, I guess they were not so progressive back then... lol.
Anyway, nice chatting to you and good to see more and more SANE (meaning non-religious) people on here.
xNoReligionx 7 months ago
@Sweddude Anyway you have the perfect excuse for poor spelling English is not your mother tongue (I guess)
xNoReligionx 7 months ago
Rocket surgeon? lol. Fail!!!
auggiedoggy 7 months ago
I like to perform surgery on rockets too!
lebannerfan65 7 months ago
Whats with all the meteors?
mrthebillman 7 months ago
@XDeatharcX and legiona . . . you have very little to add to the discussion, except charges?
clarkhudgens 7 months ago
If it weren't for all the god/bible bs I would thumb up this video
Spocktacular96 7 months ago
how old is the earth? Fing always existed, the matter/energy that made it up has existed since before the big bang but has reformed over time so I win.
Pandadruid 7 months ago
@Pandadruid yea your pretty much right
be nice if we found life on another planet (well complex life not just germs or something)
490er 7 months ago
@490er well, I always say that eventually we will. Our own existence proves that intelligent life has a nonzero probability and given an undefined amount of time, that would mean that somewhere out there sometime there probably will be intelligent life.
Pandadruid 7 months ago
@Pandadruid your probley right we will find life somewhere that is smart enough to talk
the only thing is that we might be un able to interact with each other
we use vibrations in the air (sound) to talk to each other but a different kind of life say based off something other then carbon could use something different
it's just a thought not anything i believe in
490er 7 months ago
@Pandadruid well technically i could say that you have no age for the material that you are made up of has always been here :D
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
you had me til i heard god dun it..
FUwogs 7 months ago
Look, even though this guy is an idiot, you have to give him credit. At least he is not as bad as other creationists.
1234yersiman 8 months ago
I hope I can pile up a lot of gas after I die, so I can support civilization and technology that is poisoning our planet. WTF ? is this guy a piece of work, or what.
DeRex9 8 months ago
I'm not a god, per se.
But I think I could have saved god a billion steps.
rubberbaby00 8 months ago
Did he just inadvertantly disprove Genesis?
MBaxtonM 8 months ago
What's gods beef with Jurassic park??
MrBrational 8 months ago
i have absolutely no idea how some commenters find any of this "non sensical" because to me it makes perfect sense. Sure some of the little bits of information might be slightly off, but the main points hold up! some people are so adamant to disbelieve
INS4NEDRUMM3R 8 months ago
Was going well until about 2:50
neilswann80 8 months ago
Why blame God for removing 'unfit' life forms? If the environment changed so that existing creatures couldn't live in it wouldn't they die off on their own with no need for external assistance?!
JimTLonW6 8 months ago
@JimTLonW6 God creates life whenever and wherever he can. He changed Earth's environment to be suitable for life and made trillions of life forms on it. As Earth's environment is constantly changing, God made creatures more suitable for those changes. In other words what he meant was the REPLACEMENT of the 'unfit' life forms.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv No need to call God in aid, life forms able to survive in a changed environment evolve new forms able to develop in the new environment. You can see this in the various extinctions that have occurred on earth.
It's rubbish to say 'God creates whenever and wherever he can...' if this were so we would find life throughout the solar system; we don't.
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 No... it's not rubbish. God designed Earth. He was there every step of the way. He made the conditions right so he COULD create life, so it would be possible.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv
That ignores the long interval between the creation of the Earth and the appearance of life. The conditions for life didn't exist for 700 million years of the total life of our planet, it was 3.5 billion yrs before multicellular life appeared. How come G didn't get it right in the beginning?
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 I don't understand you... God was preparing the Earth for life before it showed up, obviously, and the single-celled organisms at the beginning were essential for the preparation of multicellular life.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 I don't understand... God was preparing the Earth for life, obviously. Single-celled organisms were essential for the preparation of multicellular life.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv So the reason for God's chronology is ?
Why did it take so long for multi cellular life forms to appear? What causes this?
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 Because it takes a long time to prepare a planet for life
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv If you are to have any credibility at all you have to explain why it takes God so long.
There are scientific theories that require those amounts of time, so why does God need them? Isn't he supposed to be omnipotent?
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 See here's where you've misunderstood a big part of our doctine. God is outside of time, meaning he's not limited to it. 2 Peter 3:8 and several other verses make this clear. We, as physical beings, are restricted to three dimensions and one direction through time. He could have made the Earth in six days, he could have made it in several billion years. He's not restricted. Instead he constructed it in a long time span because it was more practical, and I daresay necessary for life
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv so what's the reason for taking so long to create life, and coincidentally replicate the 'no God' chronology? Your ideas are myths.
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 I'm not sure what you mean by the 'no God' chronology. If you mean the astronomical and geological histories of the universe, there's where you're mistaken. It doesn't matter how old the universe is, so long as it had a beginning. It doesn't matter how it was built, so long as it WAS built. It doesn't matter HOW God chose to create or replicate life, so long as he did. I don't see what problem you have with it.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv Of course it matters how the universe was built. There's a reason why Earth is so much younger than the universe; there are reasons why life took time to appear and why it appeared in the order that it did. All of this happens without any need of an intervention by 'God', and certainly without fanciful theories about what God might or might not have done.
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 I never said it didn't matter, I said it didn't matter so long as you believe God was behind it. Look at the history of Earth. It's obvious it's sacred and protected. Look at how the moon formed. Theia crashed at the just right angle/velocity/speed/location into the terribly stormy Earth (worse than Venus). After that, many things happened, like the Hadean era. Look at how fragile we are. Anything goes wrong and we're gone. Yet life has been here for 3 billion years.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 Undoubtedly, after God's creation 'week' ended, the forces he set in motion are still going. Formation of galaxies (very very slow, obviously) solar systems, moons, astronomical collisions, star formations, earthquakes etc, yet Earth's history he sheltered and kept safe. Our sun, earth, moon, surrounding planets, galaxy, and universe are the just-right age for life.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv
Well of course they're the right age for life, or there wouldn't be any. But God's got nothing to do with it, it arises from physical forces that create the elements, compounds and other bodies in the Universe. Try reading about the Anthropic principle
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 Dude, listen to what I'm saying, very carefully. God sets forces in motion. Earthquakes are essential. That doesn't mean every single time there's an earthquake it's sent by God for judgement... Or that he was behind it at all. Without these circles and cycles going on in nature, life would be impossible. However, I'm saying God was watching over the Earth all these eons, keeping it safe, sheltering it, and causing the forces that would later make things possible for life.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv no it all works without God, there's no need to invent a God to start it all, or to make it work. Anyway, which God are we talking about here? There are rather a lot to choose from.
Incidentally there's no lack of theories as to how the universe came into existence, probably as many 'No God' theories as there are Gods in fact!
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 (CONT) you might have already known this, but our universe is in its middle-age phase. Any younger would mean not enough materials would have been produced for planet building. We need to have had millions of generations of plant death for fossil fuels, and our Earth, star, galaxy need to be the right age. We need to have had millions of years of sustenance from star death and countless other factors. 'Time' is not a measure of God's power. It doesn't matter how long he took.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv If you think the Universe is 'middle aged' then you plainly aren't up to date with cosmology.
Your last sentence contradicts its preceding sentence.
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 whoops, a little mistake. My point is that the universe is the right age. Virtually all the galaxies are around the same age. They begin as quasars and develop into galaxies, kind of like metamorphosis in a way. And which sentence are you referring to? There are so many posts....
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv well work it out mate! This is wasting my time (and yours, but maybe you're on god's time so it doesn't matter!).
You really don't seem to know very much about the creation processes of the universe, nobody thinks quasars metamorphose into galaxies. And Quasars are certainly not older than galaxies, as your statement requires, they are often younger.
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 I'm sorry, I got confused. I meant 'protogalaxy'. Yes we do see protogalaxies in space. That's what I meant, and I apologize. But that's not even the main point. I believe in stellar evolution. You shouldn't consider this a waste of time. I'm sorry, but this is a debate that we need to settle. I find it kind of fun... I'm learning a lot from this one.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv You don't have to 'believe' in Stellar evolution, it's the way stars work given their initial masses. Stars are forming today in many places, both in our galaxy and in others.
Latest evidence is that the Universe will not have an end, hence it can't be middle-aged.
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6
1. What I meant by the galaxies being middle-aged was that they were in the right 'age' for life and spreading of materials. Of course the galaxies will die eventually, then what happens? The universe continues to expand with a bunch of dead material. That's what I meant by middle aged.. between death and birth.
2. What you just described was stellar evolution (stellar birth/death/change/life and we both agree on that, so I rest my case ^_^
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv Geolgists know the earth was millions of years old 200 years ago dip shit. The creationist knows more about the earth than you.
Dinosaurs replacing dinosaurs means evolution happened.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz So what's your point? Geologists knew the Earth was old before Darwin too. Dinosaurs replacing dinosaurs doesn't mean they evolved. It simply means they were replaced.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv So every million years or so God just makes thing more complex and takes away the old model? That would explain why most of the species that ever lived are extinct.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz God makes life wherever he can. Since he basically has been making sure our Earth can sustain life, he takes his creative power to a great extent. Multicellular organisms are essential for fossil fuels, as they were for shaping the environments of many different ecosystems over millions of years. Indeed it would explain why most species are extinct... it also makes me wonder how much more he's created that we'll most likely never know about. Amazing life forms yet to be discovered! :D
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv Which God?
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz The God of the Christian Bible... (you know, the only holy book that doesn't conform to Man's selfish whims and petty desires) the God outside of time (he actually made time. Pretty amazing, huh?) the God who created life, who guided Earth every step of the way, and did a bunch of other cool amazing awesome stuff that's the God I'm talking about :)
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv Bullshit. man made up the bible, and man made up god, your a fucking delusional moron to believe otherwise. Religiously brainwashed asshole.
mechanicmike69 2 months ago
@angryspidertv
I can see that, why not read up a bit on the real science behind the origins of the Earth and evolution; oh and some cosmology too?
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
@JimTLonW6 I don't see how the old earth view contradicts any of the evidence. Nothing in astronomy contradicts it. I know about the origins of the earth. Several billion years ago a planet the size of mars collided with it to produce the moon and the new earth. Tell me what's scientifically wrong with my view. Go ahead.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
@angryspidertv I don't think you've understood my point.
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
2:19 He loses me at this part. I dont know whether he's saying an asteroid hits us or an Alien accidently crashes his space ship into the Earth?
MrNintoku 8 months ago
Evolution happens....whooh......but remember!.......Godidit!!!!!
thomazz2000 8 months ago
So this guy actually say that evolution is god's work?
thomazz2000 8 months ago
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1. The Earth is 4,545 Million years old.
2.Dinosaurs were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous period (65 million years ago), when the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event caused the extinction of most dinosaur species, except for some birds.
gregrutz 8 months ago
It is amazing the lies religious people make up to make God seem real.
What religion is he talking about?
Is he Hindu? What he is saying might work with that delusion.
Did he start his own faith?
The God he is promoting is not the God of the Bible!
I guess it is not a sin to lie, if you do it to promote the God delusion.
Religious training makes people incapable of rational thought.
At least he is not saying that man and Dinosaurs lived together, which is the other Christian lie.
legion1a 8 months ago 21
@legion1a
When you see it start with "Reasons to Believe" you have to know it is going to be Bull Shit!
sandy78442 8 months ago 2
@legion1a Explain, exactly, how his words contradict the Bible in any way. I would be delighted to hear your explanation.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
Is this guy's speech supposed to be a call to arms to rise up against a capricious god before he becomes bored with the current population of Earth and decides to trigger another extinction event?
CasualTS 8 months ago
Rocket surgeon? Awesome.
HubbellKent 8 months ago 2
Good science until about 3 minutes, then garbage.
deanosumo 8 months ago 2
He is FOS.
perstaere 9 months ago
And by "remove species" he means God obliterates them from space by chucking asteroids at them. Then he lets his beloved creations roast in lava, or alternatively slowly die out in a newly inhospitable environment, as he plans the next wave of species to play with.
alin1975 9 months ago 13
@alin1975 : You forgot to say "loving god". ;o)
auggiedoggy 7 months ago
Rocket.....rocket surgery?
Writersblock39 9 months ago 4
@Writersblock39 gotta know how to dissect these bastards!
AxeHomeless 9 months ago
I asked Matt Dillahunty of The Atheist Experience what he thought about this, he said he would ask "Dr. Ross, when discussing the age of the Earth you gave specifics &referenced the mountain of evidence that allow you to give that specific information - but when you claim that this is god's plan & that he creates and causes extinctions, you are surprisingly vague & seem to offer no evidence....." continued
mutley2209 9 months ago
@mutley2209 ....." As a scientist, I'm curious not only why you find those assertions believable but why you're willing to make those claims alongside hard scientific facts as if the two were on equal footing. Isn't that more than a tad dishonest? Isn't it unscientific?"
I really wish someone like Matt where there to challenge this fraudulent 'scientist' in public in front of this ignorant crowd
mutley2209 9 months ago
wow I didn't believe in multiple personalities until that scientists batshit crazy alter ego took over.
crockoduckevolved 9 months ago
Continued...Dirt together and make it come to life!!...sounds simple according to the Bible?...how hard can it be???
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 That's not exactly what it says. The Hebrew word ex nihilo means made out of nothing.
angryspidertv 2 months ago
Continued...Science has yet to replicate the simplest of amino acids and protozoas to combine to establish a living organisim of what science says how it all started! in a pool of goo...we have had 4.5 billion years to figure this out...why can't we do it???...and the answer i give most will disagree with...It began with GOD and his amazing power!...How he took and formed "man" from the dust of the ground and breathed life into it....So I would like to see science push some dirt ..continued
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 "we have had 4.5 billion years to figure this out...why can't we do it???..."
um.. no.. We have been trying for abut 100 years.
"It began with GOD and his amazing power!...How he took and formed "man" from the dust of the ground and breathed life into it "
You have absolutly no evidence that this staement is even remotly true,, or rational
podoau 9 months ago
@podoau -- Well...that's ok ...I can respect your opinion...so you don't belive the Bible huh?...I suppose you view the Holy Bible as I view mormonism or Jehovah's Wittnesses and the Seventh Day adventists as being cults!. to each his own. Do I think that the dinosaurs were killed by a giant meteorite? (Ite meaning rock) very possible given from what is found so far, could it be random chance? But who to say that this rock wasn't guided by God? (I know it sounds silly) we weren't there.
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 Why do you veiw all those others as cults ?? They are all based on the bible..
"But who to say that this rock wasn't guided by God? (I know it sounds silly) we weren't there."
It is silly, but to support that arguemnet you first need to prove god. Besides, why would any god kill 90% of all living things on the planet ?
podoau 9 months ago
@podoau -- (1st you'll reject this explanation) If you read the Bible you would have the answer to that question!. Why do I see the other faiths as cults?...because their belief and teachings conflict with scripture, that's why I commented that way. I don't expect you to belive what I say on this and I'm cool with that and don't think your a lost soul either, but before someone condems a source of information they need to read and see what it offers as a reason for evidence. Look at both sides.
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 First you need to establish what scripture is true. Moronism (Moronism) IS a cult, dont get me started on noscientology,, but, christianity is based on a story that has no supporting evidence, so, its a myth.
I have read the bible cover to covertwice. I studied the bible for 6 years in high school. Whilst there is some evidence that some historical events may have happened, such as part of the exodus, there is no evidence at all that jesus was the son of god, or performed miricles
podoau 9 months ago
@podoau -- Where did you study the Bible for 6 years and what school? Faith?...I'm Luthern.
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 Trinity Grammar School
Its an Anglican school
Detur Gloria Soli Deo
podoau 9 months ago
@podoau -- There's a video you could watch (If you want to) it's called ....Proofs that the Bible is true ...by a user called reynandvalenzuela ...it pretty much sums it up better than I could. That's if you want to. It's 9:51 long
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 I watched it. Im still laughing
The old "predictions" again.. Anyone can insert a prediction into a text after the event has happened. Besides, those predictions are about everyday events. I predict you will eat tomorrow !! woo hoo !! I was right.
Then we have teh "scientific" evidence. Again, so vague that thiat christians just grab a word and pretend that it predicts science. Nxext you will tell me that the word darkness predicts the discovery of black holes
podoau 9 months ago
@podoau -- ok...have a great day then...watching how you emphatically reject the word of GOD as truth only proves what is said in the bible in the prophetic verses of latter days....good luck my friend...you "will" need it.
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 I reject it becuse there is no evidence. You claim The bible has these "prophecies" but its the bible predicting the bible. You cant say that someone writting on of the newer gospels didnt just insert the event because it was mentioned in an earlier book..especially over 1700 years."Oh, I think I'll with a gospel, this thing was talked about 1000 years ago, so I'll write about that too"".. One self serving prediction
Please provide evidence to your clim that I "will" need it
podoau 9 months ago
@podoau -- I wasn't there when the earth was formed and neither were you, But I do know who was!...and that was GOD, Have you forgotten that I used to be a very strong athiest / evolutionist for 48 years of my life and was changed and convinced "AFTER" I read the Bible!..and this occured in just 1 year of studying the Bible,..I don't know how to explain it!...But I do know that a higher power is at work and it's a truth that one discovers when they change the way think and trust in the Bible.
JSeely218 9 months ago
@JSeely218 "But I do know who was!...and that was GOD "
Please provide testable evidence to support this claim
"But I do know that a higher power is at work "
The only "higher power" is the laws of physics. Its a truth one discovers when they look at things logically and base conclusions on evidence
podoau 9 months ago