Introduction to Magic

[TheArcaneSanctum]

Brother, you are going to make them realize that observational answers are not uniform, oh the tangled webs they get tangled in o.O

Stay blessed much love for you guys here.

[PoopTruffles]

Isn't it spelled magick?

[13CIRCLE]

Great words! I appreciate your wisdoms. Namaste.

[notsogangstamail]

micropenis ^^^

[RevJohn]

@notsogangstamail Micropenis? That's tough. I'll bet the boys really teased you in high school. I'm sorry, but magic can't help you there - we would have to change your basic DNA or wait until there's more advances in plastic surgery. Have you tried the "penis pump??"

[TheDragorin]

you claim to be a satanic reverend? i am not even a satanist but i know their beliefs are to keep their opinions to themselves and only give them when an individual asks for it. you on here giving your opinion to the whole world whom did not ask for it and you are telling us what to think and do goes against many teachings of satanism

[JonAntonyEsposito]

If you can wrap your mind around it, then it is real! If you have faith in the amount of a mustard seed you can move mountains!!!

[lordlollipop]

While what you say is crap, at least you wrote it down before you said it. That put you way ahead of most of the morons that think that YouTube was created for them to share their indispensable wisdom with us.

[RevJohn]

@lordlollipop Well, I adhere to the old saying, "Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one."

[lordlollipop]

@RevJohn P.T Barnum explained it all years ago.

[patrickbateman2012]

*waves wand: Wingardium Leviosa!!!! Nothing happened :(

[IWantToConvertToYou]

Very good video John, i have a problem, iam a bad swimmer, can you teach to walk on water like jesus christ did ? Please help me i dont want to be eaten by sharks!!!

[secretk33per]

Isn't magick just the expression of one's Will, and the ability to shape events from your Will?

[Sahara36]

can I join ur cult?

[Sahara36]

can I join your cult?

[Flabbyhabbybabby]

This is a bunch of bull shit

[DrRastahaze]

Question. do you have kids? do you believe one can raise children around this modern satanism? me and my wife tried to get into some "sex magik". my daughter would wake up with real bad night terrors on nights we would do certin acts. on nights when we went to bed "sober" and "right". she would sleep peacefully. I was raised Christian, this has "introduced" me to the spirit world. do you believe in "good" and "bad" spirits?

[RevJohn]

@DrRastahaze I believe in good and bad spirits *exactly* the same way I believe in good and bad people. And many of those people or spirits have a mix of good and bad qualities. And sometimes with spirits, just like people, you have to take the good with the bad and try not to be judgmental. I have a foster son with a PhD in anthropology - when Lillee and I performed sex magic, we were always stone cold sober. Johnny slept peacefully because we were always balanced and in our right minds.

[DrRastahaze]

@RevJohn thanks rev, maybe thats it. Im not judgemental, even though tought Christian morals. i respect other people and try to see their views. i enjoy your videos

[DJTurboSolarium]

completely agree with you man. good stuff.

[vkdee44]

Excellent video!

[UnusualPlaylist]

WORNING STAMINA DEBUFF!

[secretk33per]

You should try healing magick. That stuff is a lot trickier than people would make it sound. Easy to get lost in your work and all.

[VaelVictus]

I like your logic, with the supernaturalism and materialism. A lot of atheists (and everyone else) don't seem to understand that piece of logic. Of course, I don't think it's relevant - because I don't believe "magic" exists - but it's at least worth understanding.

I like your analogy on the experimentation of science and magic.

[wikidanbad]

its untrue the amount of stuff iv learned fom you, thank you

[MrSamsouth]

does magic have mass do you think? and is based on the power of the belief in the spell of the person doing the magic?

[tekproxy]

@MrSamsouth Only well designed and controlled experiments can answer these questions. Anything else is metaphysical, pseudoscientific intellectual masturbation. The reason we have the science that powers cell phones, gps satellites, space missions, dna sequencing, etc... is because scientists understand this.

[Jcolinsol]

@CesarPhilosophe

Peace holmes,

[Jcolinsol]

@CesarPhilosophe

Can't see the obvious in front of you. Heh.

[Jcolinsol]

@CesarPhilosophe

Chemicals may be a material explanation for the experience, but the experience itself is abstract. What is the qualia of love? It's not the chemicals, and it's the intangible qualia that we experience.

Beyond that, one of the aims of magic rituals is to evoke specific physiological reactions, for instance, ego death or feelings of universal oneness. In that sense, magic works, it is creating the chemical reaction.

[Jcolinsol]

@CesarPhilosophe

The chemicals aren't the experience.

[natmanprime]

viva irrationalists! (scientists etc.)

goddmn rationalists (fascists , materialists etc)

[PkSubway]

99 mage plox

[gerantonio]

Reverend John , I dont believe or disbelieve on you, but I´d love to see just one time any of the principles of magic tested on a controled experiment , with the folowing of a prepared person like James Randi. If u do something like that you will be my hero.

[Jcolinsol]

@gerantonio

You shouldn't ask people to prove things according to your terms.

[IrminsulRM]

I have always thought there is no devil but rather DEVELopment, which would explain why magic is the materialism of today.

[rockman22]

btw I think 9/11 was an inside job, explosives brought down those buildings. youtube building 7

[rockman22]

Drinking orange juice, act of magic. I am Rocco the amazing magician, watch as i sit in chairs and turn doorknobs, BEHOLD!!!

[TasmiaVictoria]

@RebeccaSilverPhoenix Its because We are preparing for the Age of Aquarius!! I know I am ready are you?

[MrDemonWorm]

Those who don't believe in magic haven't tried it for themselves. Most people who do say they didn't before they tried it. Coincidence? You be the judge. ;)

[meangreen4321]

Rev. John,

I don't get it. If you're a humanist, why are you posting messages with satanic links and dabbling in magic? Isn't satanism evil? If anything, your dark Satanic links is making me consider if Christianity does have some things right. I feel very uncomfortable here!

[jonnyasprin]

i don't believe in magic of any kind,if i were magic i wouldn't have to leave my home or have to go to work everyday,now not having to work every day would be true magic.

[hobartman]

jesus christ

cast a spell to keep the donuts out of your hands. who can take this fat fuck seriously. get a life you pathetic shit

[diomedes39]

how is it a leap of faith when there's evidence? how is that not an oxymoron?

[theboombody]

Because it's inductive logic. Patterns aren't guaranteed. It takes a very small leap of faith to believe a pattern will continue. It actually takes a bigger leap of faith to believe it won't. Either way though, it's a leap of faith. All is vanity.

[chriskult]

Great video. Thank you Rev. John.

[frankiefelix]

A clear and interesting introduction, Rev John - thank you. magic "shouldn't " work but it does. Best leave it to those who know that? ;-)

[aARIESsSs]

for example we manifest every event hence magic?

[efiber91]

the works is a twisted of the mind to leave u lost

[JASON666KlNG]

I'm not agreeing with this guy at all. Let people have their myriads of gods and godesses if it makes them happy. Think for a one second here, why do you actually give a fuck at all? Now who really is the deluded and lost one here? I would rather live a lie than live as a sheep.

[chriskult]

And what is wrong with his explanation? I think he does an excellent job of explaining how magic and acceptance of a new way of thought relate. I have seen your videos and in all your arrogance, I have not found them to be anymore than rants with no illuminating value.

[theboombody]

Well you're a perfect candidate for my G-rated shock value ideas then.

[nekftw]

sorry this video is full of contradiction and bullshit.

You can twist reality with your self righteous philosphical standpoints, but that wont make cold rational REALITY any different.

a mechanical device, stays a mechanical device, it doesnt matter if a naked monkey on planet earth *thinks* different because he used his life on a gigantic brainfuck

[theboombody]

What mechanical devices? Were mechanical devices mentioned in this video?

[nekftw]

if you EXPLAIn to the scientist HOW you fit the computing power into a small chip, he WONT call it supernatural, thats what a RELIGIOUS NUT would do who BELIEVES in magic

[xx13moons]

I feel able to address all of this because I used to be a dope as well - I was involved with the O.T.O. for many years; I let my own credulity convince me that I was adult version of "Harry Potter". Sad as it is, I'm not afraid to admit it. Since then I've learned to grow the hell up, give up the self-important delusion that my "thought" or "will" can have any real effect on objective reality, and I've accepted life in all it's terror and uncertainty. I do respect your objectivity though.

[xx13moons]

and your preemptive attacks on science and materialism are beyond cliche; we're not closed minded, fundamentalists, or religious in our 'rational' - we simply ask, when presented with a 'belief', to be given sufficient evidence in support of that belief. That's really too much to ask? Your dialogue reeks of defensiveness - you know that is there is no evidence for your claims, and that you own 'success' with magic is probably coincidental at best - forgive us for our lack of credulity.

[xx13moons]

you say the old generation scientists will "eventually take that leap of faith when the evidence becomes too overwhelming".... not quite - how is it a leap of faith when they are being presented with an OVERWHELMING amount of evidence? That's not faith - that's consent to knowledge. And your analogy to a car is horrible - you don't know HOW it works, just that it does; same with magic, right? Problem is, there are those who DO know EXACTLY how and why a car works; yet what of magic?

[deathheim1]

a perfect video. Many of the most magical people never cast any spells or did any chants.They just had an uncompromising will.good examples=Louis Armstrong,Art Tatum,Jelly roll Morton,Albert Einstein,Helen Keller,HP Lovecraft. Unfortunately it goes the other way too.Bad examples=Adolf Hitler,George W Bush,Dick Cheney,Pat Robertson,and that jackass rev Fred Phelps! I feel energized after watching this! much peace to you!

[AtomicPriest]

There is empirical proof that cars go from point A to point Z. Todays pollution, traffic congestion, and billions of documented car sales is "that" proof. I see NO proof of magic; spelled with a C, spelled with a K, or otherwise.

Only Jesus and His Father can do the things (and more) you say.

[AtomicPriest]

I smell the old, "Bait & Switch".

You make a few good points that are enticing, and then attempt to redefine your "routine" by redefining words simple people like. Cloaking "magic/k" under the guise of "free will" is a misnomer, and silly.

[RevJohn]

I see the old "Bait & Switch" also. You are a hardened skeptic who does not believe in the power of the mind, but you DO believe in holy ghosts and a jew who walks on water.

[AtomicPriest]

Yes.

[utukkuxul]

There is no empirical proof that there ever was a Jesus or a Father.

[AtomicPriest]

Blasphemy!

[utukkuxul]

I call's 'em like I see's 'em.

[AtomicPriest]

What's that suppose to mean?

[utukkuxul]

There is no empirical proof that there ever was a Jesus or a Father.

[AtomicPriest]

Do you have any empirical proof that I am a Priest?

[utukkuxul]

You being a priest has nothing to do with me so I don't care if you're a leprechaun. Apparently they exist, since we don't need proof to believe in stuff.

[AtomicPriest]

Then you completely missed the analogy.

[RevJohn]

There is no empirical proof that love exists. It's just chemicals and hormones reacting on the brain, making people act goofy, irrational and psychotic. Romeo and Juliet were better off dead! (sarcasm intended) Do you get my point? Subjective reality is just as important as objective reality and all its "empirical proofs."

And so, if Atomic Priest believes Jesus exists, then he does exist for HIM. Personal reality is NOT a one-size-fits-all situation.

[zabriel13]

There are historical records of a Jesus by scholars unaffiliated with Christianity.

[utukkuxul]

I'm not going to argue this. My original response was to Atomic Priest who was arguing about proof, that there was no proof of magic. John responded with a joke about "jews who walk on water," I commented that there was essentially as little proof of Jesus as there was for magic, and John came back defending belief in Jesus so I dropped it. I'm not going to begin it again with you. Believe what you want.

[RevJohn]

Oh, I really wasn't defending Atomic or the belief in Jesus. I'm just saying the real issue isn't a matter of who's right or who's wrong. I say the real issue is the matter of intent and how people use and interpret these myths. A belief system can motivate, inspire or be totally life negating, destructive.

[utukkuxul]

I think maybe my response to him was misunderstood then, because I was simply turning around his comment on empirical proof about cars. It was probably a wasteful comment anyway.

By the way, I really respect you and have liked a lot of what you've written(on your website at least). What do you suggest for someone who wants to learn this sort of thing, from a basic, down-to-earth(so to speak) perspective?

And props for turning down chemo... the medical solution is always cut, burn, poison.

[BlboBagginz69]

lol!

[omarlives]

lol i thought this was intro to magic. not intro to satanism.

[RevJohn]

I come from a Satanism background, omarlives, but any similarity between that and this video series ends there. I am not teaching a religion or philosophy. I am explaining cause and effect.

[cymbeli]

hence the term "alchemy" ;)

[tekproxy]

I suggest writing this stuff up in a scholarly paper with some evidence and become the most famous and rich scientist ever. You would be overturning many well understood concepts. I eagerly await.

[RevJohn]

@tekproxy In an old comment, you suggested I write a scholarly paper with evidence for PSI or magic that would overturn many "well understood concepts." I would just like to state that there is within the scientific community, a taboo towards certain beliefs - ideas that you are forbidden to even bring to the table, lest you destroy all credibility. Yes, scientists are flawed and very human. I would insist ample evidence is available. Search for "Science and the taboo of PSI" with Dean Radin

[tekproxy]

@RevJohn Albert Einstein suggested some incredible things for his time as well. Speed of light is not relative. The faster an object travels the more mass it has and the less time it experiences relative to objects moving more slowly. However, his theories had evidence and were falsifiable and withstood examination and have been useful for making predictions. I hate to break it to you but the whole "taboo against X" excuse will not fly. Design and conduct experiments. Produce evidence.

[RevJohn]

@tekproxy And I insist that those experiments have already been conducted and the evidence widely produced. It is just beginning to reach the crucial stage of "peer review," but it has taken a damned long time. I strongly suggest you watch that entire video - you will be surprised. Also catch the BBC series, "Mind Over Matter" /watch?v=rnL0f8EQIhU

[tekproxy]

@RevJohn I will watch all of these videos and have already seen some of them. It sounds really good only if your understanding of science is based on television and websites. I get my rocks off by studying philosophy of science and the mistakes they are making are clear to me. Everything I've seen that you've presented me is metaphysics. Nothing can disprove it. It makes no useful predictions. I haven't seen any tests either. Can you think of some good scientific experiments that support this?

[tekproxy]

@RevJohn And also, there are biases in science, sure, but that's what phd theses are for. Shake up the old and in with the new. In science, there is no fame or glory proving the status quo. One only gets famous for rocking the boat and proving something new. There is money on the table for a young scientist to prove ANY KIND of "paranormal" activity. Fame and fortune forever await. If it's actually real it shouldn't be hard to reproduce and experiment yet nothing is forthcoming.

[RevJohn]

@tekproxy Sometimes, there is no fame and fortune in disproving the status quo. When Immanuel Velikovski wrote Worlds In Collision he made some outrageous "lucky guesses" that destroyed his credibility. That was back in 1950. Scientists still hate his guts simply because he arrived at his conclusions based upon ancient myths and intuition. But he was the first to say Venus was hot and space was not really an "empty vacuum" and the earth suffered at least 3 major cataclysms in her history. LOL

[ReligionIsACrutch]

For centuries, mystics have claimed that magic is real and the skeptics have responded, "no, it's just psychological". Now you're claiming that magic is just psychological. The skeptics have won. You call it magic, we call it the placebo effect.

[RevJohn]

Wow! That placebo effect is pretty damned powerful! It has been blamed for everything from raising and lowering blood pressure to curing fatal diseases.

Worshiping science is no different from worshiping Jehovah or the tooth fairy, because it is grounded in temporal logic.

[ReligionIsACrutch]

Raising and lowering blood pressure is easily controlled by the body's response to stress or excitement. Also, curing disease, the body's immune system does that all the time. All diseases are fatal if you don't have a properly working immune system. That's why AIDS is such a horrible disease.

As for worshiping science, I do no such thing. Science is merely a tool. Science isn't good or bad. It simply works.

[RevJohn]

You don't get it... by controlling your mind, you can optimize your immune system. By controlling your mind, you can raise or lower blood pressure. By controlling your mind, you can manipulate your inner and outer universe.

Many people want to use temporal science as the foundation for a new belief system, replacing religion as a crutch, to science as a crutch. I see it all the time and I'm amazed that you don't.

[ReligionIsACrutch]

"by controlling your mind, you can optimize your immune system"

Where did you get this information from? Are there any scientific studies that agree with you?

"science as a crutch"

What a terrible crutch that gives us computers, mobile phones, rocket engines and modern medicine. If you want meaning, consult philosophy. If you want information, consult science. It's all about using the right tool for the job. You're still stuck in a world of magical thinking. A tool that's good for nothing.

[RevJohn]

"Where did you get this information from? Are there any scientific studies that agree with you?"

Yes, there are several scientific studies that agree with me NOW - but not thirty years ago when people could have USED the information that by controlling their stress levels and thinking happy thoughts they could avoid a HOST of life threatening ailments.

Of course, there were those of us back in 1970 who already knew this and were laughed at by skeptics like yourself who demanded "proof."

[ReligionIsACrutch]

Scientific medicine has known for a long time that reducing stress helps your body get healthy. That's why doctors tell you to get plenty of bed rest when you're sick. That's nothing special or mystical, just good old fashioned scientific medicine. I want to see the studies that say you can optimize your immune system with your mind, unless you were only talking about stress, which is just a controversial way to say something that's widely known about.

[RevJohn]

One of the most quoted scientific studies of prayer was done between August of 1982 and May of 1983. 393 patients in the San Francisco General Hospitals Coronary Care Unit participated in a double blind study to assess the therapeutic effects of intercessory prayer. Patients were randomly selected by computer to either receive or not receive intercessory prayer. All participants in the study, including patients, doctors, and the conductor of the study himself remained blind throughout the study

[RevJohn]

(continued)... To guard against biasing the study, the patients were not contacted again after it was decided which group would be prayed for, and which group would not.

This is just one example concerning the "power of the mind." I'm surprised you haven't heard of at least one of these kinds of studies... but please don't beat up on me for being the messenger - sorry to pop your scientific bubble.

[ReligionIsACrutch]

"In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery. In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications."

This is from a recent study in 2006. The study you quoted is from 1983. Don't you think it's a little dishonest to find outdated research and ignore better and more recent research?

[RevJohn]

Prayer, positive thinking, alpha training to reduce stress, change of environment, herbal stimulants, diet, sleep, exercise... all these things help optimize the immune system. This isn't controversial information - it is widely known.

I just came back from stage three cancer - stage four is when they tell you how long you have left to live. I'm 95% in remission now following my own advice. If you want to email me, I'll forward you documented evidence. I take about 40 nutrients/vitamins daily

[ReligionIsACrutch]

You clearly don't know what anecdotal evidence is otherwise you wouldn't try to pass it off as proof of anything. One case proves nothing.

[RevJohn]

Wrong, I'm very aware of what anecdotal evidence is. You have a cynical outlook toward life and believe the anecdotal scientific evidence that supports YOUR pessimism. We each create our own reality by the way we think and behave.

Nietzsche once said, "The Christian resolve to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad." As an atheist, in your fight against Christianity, you are becoming like them! Already, you've blinded yourself to all the POSITIVE aspects of "belief."

[ReligionIsACrutch]

"We each create our own reality by the way we think and behave."

No, reality creates us. We don't create reality. Please snap out of this delusion you have found yourself in. You're bordering on solipsism.

[RevJohn]

Both statements are true - reality creates us and we create reality - and it isn't a contradiction... it's a paradox. And I really don't have the time to point out examples a simple SIXTH GRADER could elucidate! I'm sorry, but you really are boring me to tears - I've heard these nihilistic tirades dozens of times from other devotees of the new materialism. It's like listening to an evangelical Christian for hours upon hours... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[RevJohn]

You are angry towards the "believers" and rightly so, Crutch. But your solution is to throw the baby out with the bathwater and debunk those things that could be of value.

[ReligionIsACrutch]

I'm not angry. Please spare me your ad hominem attacks. I use my intelligence and ability to think critically, that's all. Your beliefs don't hold up to scrutiny. Like I said, if you want to believe in bullshit, be my guest. Don't try to make this about my failings, however, just because I disagree with you.

As for value, it doesn't matter how wonderful it would be if something were true, that doesn't make it true. That's called wishful thinking, something you seem to be stuck on.

[RevJohn]

My evidence is well documented and I refused their "aggressive chemotherapy" even though they tried to force it on me. It most certainly would have killed me. Therefore, there is something seriously flawed with the general wisdom of your doctors and biochemists. My case DOES prove something to me and the results speak for themselves.

[RevJohn]

"You're still stuck in a world of magical thinking. A tool that's good for nothing."

More likely, I'm stuck in a world of progressive intuitive thinking that keeps me thirty or more years ahead of everyone else in understanding political, scientific and social trends. The embarrassing truth is, you can't refute what's in my video because it builds a strong convincing argument against the new materialism.

[ReligionIsACrutch]

"More likely, I'm stuck in a world of progressive intuitive thinking that keeps me thirty or more years ahead of everyone else in understanding political, scientific and social trends."

Don't forget modest, too. Come on man, you're just embarrassing yourself now. I should leave you alone before I completely knock down this house of cards you've built. Just ignore me and my rational evidenced-based thinking. Do what you want if it makes you happy.

[windekindje]

a bit study of magid i did but very frightening strange things happened and i will stay far away from it now.

do you know why magic is forbidden in the bible?

the most important part i remember is that gossip speaking bad about others is as evil as black magic. it can destroy joy and happiness even kill the victim

gossip is an invisible enemy so you have to forgive and bless yout unknown enemy that

gossips

hope you like my comment

Jesus is the best magic ever!!!!!and harmless

winny

[Solthiel]

It is good to see that the word 'magic' is finally losing almost all meaning. In attempting to align a logical version of magic, you have stripped it of anything 'magic' at all. You have aligned causes and effects in illogical ways in order to support the hypothesis that magic is 'anyone doing anything'.  This, of course, allows for your definition of magic, but it is also just one of many concessions that mystical faithing systems are taking in the face of science.

[RevJohn]

Solthiel, not "finally." Crowley said this years ago, but his followers suffered from selective inattention. I've studied and performed so-called ritual magic all my life and find it doesn't require mystical faithing to impact one's inner psyche or outer world. It all starts with the MIND. Positive thinking and positive action WILL yield results.

[mizzcrowley]

Excellent short talk on the limitation of the "new" materialism. Atheists seem to have attached to it like the religious fundies do to their beliefs. I wonder if they realize one can be an atheist without being a "new" materialist?

[blackcheesyghoul]

this video

is really too

much clear...occult must be occult

...for sure u need a mentor when

your interesting in such things

...well i feel from my chair

thatmr john wouldnt be a gud one

for me

[revrory]

Spot on, or at least that is to say 100% in line with my own views on the subject, which in this game is as close as you can get to being spot on. ;-)

[scotty815]

stucklechump, dont incur trouble for yourself.

John Allee is the most powerful practitioners of magic of out times

[Redemption600]

there will always be none believers

[scotty815]

theres a few people rotting in the grave who have incurred Johns wrath, his spells ride leather wings into the night sky, seeking the heart of his enemies!!

[Redemption600]

indeed...

[b533419]

Are you suggesting that he has murdered people? I'd like to test this theory by proclaiming myself his enemy, give me some kind of time scale though, so I can prove you wrong, I await your winged spells hahahaha

[Redemption600]

you do not understand...foolishness leads to error and pain

[b533419]

then I feel sorry for you and your friend here, because I wouldn't wish error and pain upon you simply because of your foolishness.

[Redemption600]

that comment made no sense at all

[b533419]

maybe not to you, but that's ok

[Redemption600]

w/e you say your perception will not change reality only enlighten it.

[b533419]

I'm happy to enlighten you

[RevJohn]

"Are you suggesting that he has murdered people? I'd like to test this theory by proclaiming myself his enemy, give me some kind of time scale though, so I can prove you wrong, I await your winged spells hahahaha"

It's very obvious you've paid zero attention to my video and its message. The people I've successfully cursed were seriously screwed up to begin with and obsessed with me - they were open to the experience and subconsciously willing self-destruction upon themselves.

[b533419]

so the success of your curses rely on someone already being screwed up, that's like saying I have psychicly painted walls, but only the ones which were already being painted were successful.

[b533419]

yes, and it makes santa sad when children say he's not real, how else do the presents get there?

[RevJohn]

"yes, and it makes santa sad when children say he's not real, how else do the presents get there?"

Because Santa is subjective and a part of your personal reality. The presents, purchased by parents, are objective and a part of our collective experience. But that doesn't make Santa any less "real." He must have power and influence because the health of our economy is based on how well the stores do on Christmas!

[b533419]

so you're saying that magick is as real as santa is? because that would make sense

[RevJohn]

"so you're saying that magick is as real as santa is? because that would make sense"

Magick is what makes Santa "real" for millions of kids. Children are the most natural and true magicians - they even have the presents to prove it!

[b533419]

ok, I see what you're saying.

On a side note, one problem I always had with Santa is that how good your presents are is based on how good you've been, then you get what your parents can afford while some rich kid who you know has been a dick all year has the best presents. This particular form of magick seems to be very unfair.

[b533419]

is that a threat?

[stucklechump]

ill add two blue to my mana pool... counterspell

[crackythewondertroll]

force of will your counter spell

[tekproxy]

i attack with my 30/30 trample

[crackythewondertroll]

swords it

[stucklechump]

you, sir, are an idiot

[b533419]

here here

[Shaitan295]

Very good video. Been listining to you for years now. Thanks.

[clydesdale1234]

VERY cool vid! Oh, your'e in my friend shoutouts, I have been offline lately but I'll be looking foward to seeing more vids made by you!

[WitchKingofSalem]

Well said. Great Minds Think Alike John. Some watching will benefit from your WiSdom. For others, it is truly throwing ever precious pearls of your WiSdom to swine.

[VenusSatanas]

Magic is natural..

[PeterThenn]

Belief in the existence of an objective reality is a Leap of Faith. There is no way to logically prove you are not hallucinating all of this. All you can prove is that your delusion is logically consistent.

[RevJohn]

Beautifully said, Peter. Ask any police officer how aggravating it is to procure info from crime witnesses. To the fat man, the robber had a normal build. To the thin man, the robber was fat, etc., etc. By the time they're through, we have 5 statements from 5 witnesses, none in complete agreement. Our subjective "personal reality" distorts the way we perceive the "real world."

[lonelyboy03]

I like the way you explain things and make a point. Its logical and easy to understand. You have a real gift there RevJohn.

[zeit23geist]

Dowsing is a form of magick which is immediately validated; yet it is also described as an art. When acupuncture needles are inserted into a set of points on the back to release 'aggressive energy' the skin turns red around the needle and the needle can fly out of the skin, which is 'impossible'.

Quality video, superb production by the way.

[masticina]

To be decent in magic requires to be grounded in reality! The floating balloon goes with all winds while the tower stands!

Ah... whenever I meet one of those floating balloons I am one of those to put a brick on their wire! They might outcry "why you do that? Why you limit me?" I tell them "isn't everything limited in one or another way"

[Iconoclastithon]

But why the term "magic" for everyday events?

[Iconoclastithon]

Also, regarding how the "old schoo' or conservative scienists are slow to accept a new finding and eventually and begrudginly accept it; true, in some cases, but in others their stubbroness ends up also exposing fraudulency and faklse findings. It is this highly critical method which protects science from too much fraud{not that it never happens; but it lessens it}

I see that you are trying to get people to reject the "cynical" materialism for balanced skepticism. Respect for that.But still.

[Iconoclastithon]

In other words, as a rationalist, how do you descern what is fraudulent or delusion amongst so-called "magicians" and 'magic", and which ones are real? And call them on it? Basically, as a rationalist, how do you discern reality from unreality? How do you unhypocritically critisize anything that anyones claims or any beliefs?

[Iconoclastithon]

Hey John.

I understand what you're saying ans you make many good points. I'm sure you agree that magick experimentation should be done skepticaly and objectively{yet open-mindedly}, but is "personal" experience really enough?{if it "seemingly" works for an individual}? Shiuldn't it, like material science as we know it, be supportable by similar experiments conducted by otyhers of the same open-minded but highly skeptically objective mindset with similar results before others give

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[Iconoclastithon]

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...with similar results and the same degree of success{in accordance with scientific principles and laws of logic, and natural laws,etc} before others are expected to take them seriously or respect them.

You admit to pseudosciences and supernaturalisms existence in a similar negative light as the hardciore materialists you critisize. But that is precisely what thye believe magic to be. Indeed, I'm sure you'd admit that in the world of "magick" there are indeed many frauds

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[Iconoclastithon]

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...and deluded individuals as well.

I'm allmost certain you would agree to that, since you seem to be a very rationally and scientifically oriented person.

So, my question is then... if you expect materialists to take yours{or anyone esles; including those whose claims MAY possibly be legit and real, but we have seemingly no way of knowing for sure} claims of magic any more seriously than you might take the claims that God had a son whom died, rose again, wrote a book

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[Iconoclastithon]

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..I mean no disprespect here, I hold you in respect and I always enjoy yuor videas and writings and think you have some valid points on many things.

But I also think that the hardcore skepticism of materialists towards subjective but seemingly inconsitent with different people and similar experiments,etc has a point?

How then can you, as rationalist, define something as pseudoscience or supernaturalism,etc{as you do sometimes}, without seemingly partkaing in a case of

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[Iconoclastithon]

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...a case of special pleading?

Again, no offense meant. I still think you make many good points regarding "strong" Atheists and hardcore materialism[or their intrpretation of it].

In Reason:

Icono

[edwillbeking]

Thankyou, and may I say that you have a really friendly face.

[RedFireWitch666]

Brother RevJohn its so true back in the 60s it was a different world 64 my self..good work

paul

[14842]

WOW you are awesome Brother RevJohn. Thank very much! This is so true and good video explaining. Looking for worth to more of your inspiring revealing work.

[satanicwitch969]

indeed

[RedFireWitch666]

thank you