There is new company developing it. The earlier Flatout games were devloped by Bugbear, and were great. The the publisher thought they would cash in on the success, and get another developer to make one cheaply.
The exact same thing happened with Carmageddon. The first two were great, then they got a new company to do the development, and made Carmageddon TDR2000, which lacked everything that made the first two great.
This is y I rarely watch undertow for reviews, he's so negative about every game he reviews it's like he's trolling the game while reviewing it! I'll bet he plays halo that's y lol.
Flatout 2 on PC. Put your own raging metal soundtrack in your preferred mp3 player, and play Flatout 2. Because it's awesome! Very short loading screens, awesome online play... and very cheap =D
Why do game developers feel the need to take a successful game series, make a new, shitty sequel to it, and just throw it on the Wii? It's like they don't give a shit about the Wii... oh... wait... THEY DON'T! The only real companies that can be trusted to work on the Wii are Nintendo (of course), Capcom, Konami, and Sega. No one else! Oh... wait... and Suda51.
@IRSPONGEBOB I believe you, but I am unfortunate not to have played any of them. The only games I have really played that were good were from Nintendo, Capcom, Sega, and I think one Atlus and one Konami game.
@NeverendingTwilight1 I disagree. Sega has only made one good game on Wii, Sonic Colors. I only trust Nintendo, Capcom, and Konami completely. Sega has had good ports on the Wii as well as Namco, but their original games fail hard.
@WebVMan Sega also released House of the Dead: Overkill, which I have heard is good and I love the House of the Dead series and they have released MadWorld which was a pretty fun game.
@NeverendingTwilight1 Suda51. wasent that Capcom? :P Btw.. they even doesent give a shit on the other consoles and pc. Many bad ports n stuff. they only think about making money these days. And all you count on, was japanese companies. and yes. the japanese guys make great games (thats why i have wii and ps3. i love sony and nintendo and grow up with nintend, but as i gone bigger play more sony) No really.. the american should more do like the japanese guys. The only good american are Rockstar
@NeverendingTwilight1 i agree, developers that make casual games and shovelware should stop making games for wii and go fuck themselves. (i'm looking at you ddi)
How did Empire Interactive who published the GOOD FlatOut games go bust, when Team6 who acquired the rights and made this unplayable mess are still in business? Apparently Bugbear are making the next Ridge Racer game... Can you imagine RR withe FlatOut physics? No. Neither can I.
So theres no one driving in the car and the car is pregnant so when it crashes the baby pops out wich oddly is a full grown driver... or its just lazy work on the game
If its not from Bugbear, its not Flatout. I know this was from the same dev team that did wii "classics" like Speed and Glacier 2, but seriously how HARD was it to port Flatout 2 from the PS2 or Xbox and add motion steering?
@TheMikeman63 Maybe the ratio for good to bad was more favourable on the PS2, I just don't remember seeing as much crap on show, but then again it was a while a go lol
the PS2 has like 10,000 games on it, the wii as of december 2010 only has 900 something, the PS2 has been on the market since forever and no big name titles are on it anymore, all the PS2 has been getting since current gen started were shovelware not including last gen's shovelware wit it
Oh my god. One of the best Finnish games in existence and look what they did to it! I can't say if this game is as bad as Derek says but I will say this; get the original FlatOut or better yet FlatOut 2!
this game is good in other consoles and pc, and i thought this was a direct port of the flatout 1 or 2. the graphics are horrible, the ps2 version of flatout 1 had better graphics, and wii is supposed to be more powerful than ps2.
I had no idea a FlatOut game for the Wii existed until I saw this video! Maybe that's a good thing. What a crappy excuse of a game and a insult to the Wii's library of games. And FlatOut is a decent series, it deserves a much better new entry in the series. I liked the one for the 360, I think it's called FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage. Pretty good bargain game.
@NateRiverNearL Your Deathnote fan? on the wii there arent the best games.. but nintendo by themself make good games.. and not every game looks great.. but games like no more heroes, Resident Evil4, The Conduit and stuff... there grate and look great... :3 Btw.. be a little bit more fair.. Iam a nintendo and Sony guy, and know the differences. ^^ Near would be Proud of that doing... Btw.. watashi wa L desu... (=_\\)
Wow. This looks awful. Makes you wonder why people fall for budget titles in the first place. I mean, you get a cheap game, but you get a terrible product.
@FaytSaratome yes, I dont like Nintendo Wii bcoz there is not much game for HardCore audience like me, I like playing Battlefield, Medal of Honor Online Multiplayer & I am good at it. but Nintendo wii isn't made for that. I grown up playing Nintendo NES, Gameboy so I dont hate Nintendo but only I hate there WII console. & but having said that, there is only a few WII games which I like, Super Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns, New Super Mario Bros. Wii etc.
90% games are bad? That actually depends as yes there are a bunch of shit shovelware, a lot of the games are actually amazing. Graphics dated? There is a difference in dated graphics and low tech graphics. By that logic the likes of Mega Man 9 and 10 are terrible because they use 8-bit. And here comes my favorite. "Controls aren't innovative." Because the likes of dual analog on 360 and PS3 are amirite?
Which is copied from the Wii. Looks like we have a double standard. Also, the Move isn't 10 times more precise as it's only adds depth which is viewed by the camera. But if the Move is out of the camera's view it doesn't work as the on screen avatar goes apeshit.
@PS11833 The kinect is nothing more than a shiny more advanced hd version of the eyetoy from the ps2, and some early ps3 games
and the psmove is pretty much just exactly the same as a wii remote with wii motion plus and everything. The only thing that makes it better is that the ps3 hardware itself is obviously more powerful than the wii
@FaytSaratome Webcams and Eyetoy just track movement. When i played eyetoy, my curtains moved and Eyetoy thougt it was me moving. Same is with the webcam. Kinect tracks your body and not any movement what so ever.
Boy are you behind the times. If you read my comment, I said the PS EYE gave birth to Kinect, not that they were the same. I also said that modern webcams are the same thing as Kinect. Kinect is nothing more than two webcams, and an inferred cam. Which is now common in most webcams you buy.
im so glad i unsubbed from this idiot with ten dif channels all same gay shit
jyatzy123 3 days ago
you can't drive oke !?
becoolbequinten 1 week ago
people, Bugbear made the first 2 flatouts and then team6 made this one and flatout 3
NickMick987rules 1 month ago
peoples like EA or other awesome game companies always make shitty games to wii like the NFS Nitro NFS Hot pursuit and others..
xTUNERZx 1 month ago
There is new company developing it. The earlier Flatout games were devloped by Bugbear, and were great. The the publisher thought they would cash in on the success, and get another developer to make one cheaply.
The exact same thing happened with Carmageddon. The first two were great, then they got a new company to do the development, and made Carmageddon TDR2000, which lacked everything that made the first two great.
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Helerray 3 months ago
The physics engine is shit!!
MrGreedYao 5 months ago
This was such a fine game on PC many moons ago :(
SteelSkin667 6 months ago
fuckimg team6. ._. crap company
HelloMyNameIsASecret 6 months ago
BANG brains on wall
ghostmanzz 7 months ago
ENOUGH SAID pulls out revolver. they took one of my favorite series and well, ruined it WII SHOULD STICK TO MARIO AND NINTENDO GAMES
ghostmanzz 7 months ago
i don't blame wii for shovelware, i blame the terrible 3rd party developers
mkocja5a 7 months ago
this game flat out sucks
mkocja5a 7 months ago
This is y I rarely watch undertow for reviews, he's so negative about every game he reviews it's like he's trolling the game while reviewing it! I'll bet he plays halo that's y lol.
stricken1666 8 months ago
@stricken1666
Dude, just by watching that video I know that this is worse than the original Flatout, which was ported to the PS2!
hogge87 1 month ago
.. Even the first part on ps2 have better grafics than this... and the physic and stuff.. i dont wanna talk.. .damn i hate it.. >_>
SONGOKU02 9 months ago
a friend of mine bought it, now his wii is for sale on ebay as slightly used
leonardoluiss02 9 months ago
Shit games shouldn't be allowed to exist!
Tmal10 9 months ago
the upper right initials sums this game up
poet215 9 months ago
Flatout 2 on PC. Put your own raging metal soundtrack in your preferred mp3 player, and play Flatout 2. Because it's awesome! Very short loading screens, awesome online play... and very cheap =D
JDsan 9 months ago
Cleanse its' name! Review flatout 2 for ps2!!
ookthomas 9 months ago
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i think he liked it..
BenAndJoshInc 9 months ago
fantastic review derek
lylatfox4 9 months ago
MUTHA TRUCKA SUCKA!!!
WebVMan 9 months ago
ok dont call the wii a bad system its not its fault the developers put crappy games on it
nintendoman647 9 months ago
i feel bad for the little kids who's like grandparents buy them this shit.
ZENXMETAL 9 months ago
Man. The first FlatOut was pure Finnish POWER!
why... WHY!?
Vkmies 9 months ago
The original Flatout was amazing... why did they bother making something like this?
VonSeux 9 months ago
i dont think he played the other flatout games
zombeboz1 9 months ago
Wow, this sucks real hard. I'm surprised because the ps2 games are awesome, specially the second one.
ZeroDragon 9 months ago
Only good thing about this was the fantastic review.
invisibl3jim 9 months ago
this game has nothing to do with FlatOut series on PS2 !!
MAH1500 9 months ago
i hate hotwire
Maryanchyk 9 months ago
review under defeat for dreamcast !!
specialformula14 9 months ago
i never knew flatout exisited for the wii
Isle0fRed 9 months ago
E.T. looks better than this
leoviper 9 months ago
@leoviper true that
bigM10231 9 months ago
Fuck this shit, I'm going back to FlatOut on the original Xbox.
SnaffleJBean 9 months ago
In the ps2 the phisics work very fine, many times my car got pieces of the stage stuck after a crash and this made it go slower or turn to one side
zeprefel 9 months ago
Why do game developers feel the need to take a successful game series, make a new, shitty sequel to it, and just throw it on the Wii? It's like they don't give a shit about the Wii... oh... wait... THEY DON'T! The only real companies that can be trusted to work on the Wii are Nintendo (of course), Capcom, Konami, and Sega. No one else! Oh... wait... and Suda51.
NeverendingTwilight1 9 months ago 30
@NeverendingTwilight1 I must add Natsume, Xseed, and Atlus to your list.
Kingofprinces85 9 months ago
@Kingofprinces85 Ah. Never heard of Natsume or Xseed. And I think I've only played one Atlus game. So... that's why they're not on my list.
NeverendingTwilight1 9 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 Bullshit. Their are much more credible companies that developed good games for the Wii than just those.
IRSPONGEBOB 9 months ago
@IRSPONGEBOB I believe you, but I am unfortunate not to have played any of them. The only games I have really played that were good were from Nintendo, Capcom, Sega, and I think one Atlus and one Konami game.
NeverendingTwilight1 9 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 I disagree. Sega has only made one good game on Wii, Sonic Colors. I only trust Nintendo, Capcom, and Konami completely. Sega has had good ports on the Wii as well as Namco, but their original games fail hard.
WebVMan 9 months ago
@WebVMan Sega also released House of the Dead: Overkill, which I have heard is good and I love the House of the Dead series and they have released MadWorld which was a pretty fun game.
NeverendingTwilight1 9 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 ubisoft too.. (: but not all games.
madboy5566 9 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 Suda51. wasent that Capcom? :P Btw.. they even doesent give a shit on the other consoles and pc. Many bad ports n stuff. they only think about making money these days. And all you count on, was japanese companies. and yes. the japanese guys make great games (thats why i have wii and ps3. i love sony and nintendo and grow up with nintend, but as i gone bigger play more sony) No really.. the american should more do like the japanese guys. The only good american are Rockstar
SONGOKU02 9 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 what good game did konami do?
IblisLucario64 9 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 i agree, developers that make casual games and shovelware should stop making games for wii and go fuck themselves. (i'm looking at you ddi)
mkocja5a 7 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 And then when three quality games come out, Nintendo refuses to localise and publish them! What is this world coming to?!
MrHP25 6 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 and rising star games and some times thq
HelloMyNameIsASecret 6 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 Don't forget Retro studios :)
jackmoxham007 6 months ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 high voltage too
turbogamer25 1 month ago
@NeverendingTwilight1 retro studios
handicapablegamer 2 weeks ago
Wait, so you're saying this game isn't good?
What!?
5k4k1dhtp 9 months ago
MY Wii is kissing me for not buying this game!
shizokiller 9 months ago
How did Empire Interactive who published the GOOD FlatOut games go bust, when Team6 who acquired the rights and made this unplayable mess are still in business? Apparently Bugbear are making the next Ridge Racer game... Can you imagine RR withe FlatOut physics? No. Neither can I.
Nismology5 9 months ago
ew, you know what fuck the wii. they ruin everything on there. hell a bum can make a game and place it on the wii for 200 bucks.
Gum2Gum 9 months ago
"Thats because those people don't watch for CGRundertoe, those fools!"
All too true, sir.
Dualpicks 9 months ago
WHAT THE SHIT HAVE THEY DONE TO FLATOUT!^
poliv67 9 months ago
no..no...NO!! not flatout!! they ruined it!
kirre1234 9 months ago 24
Flatout 2 in ps2 is super better than this!!!!!!!! they ruined.
@kirre1234
sergioserj96 2 months ago
So theres no one driving in the car and the car is pregnant so when it crashes the baby pops out wich oddly is a full grown driver... or its just lazy work on the game
RobbanFoxer 9 months ago
This is not a FlatOut game... it just has FlatOut name slapped on it.
It's made by a different developer.... soo... just ignore this peace of garbage.
Bugbear should sue those who made this utter shit. They should ask their money back for selling rights to FlatOut name.
Emillister 9 months ago
shut up about the wii been awfull! burn through the forest of shit pathetic shovelware in its game libary and you get a fantastic collection of games
digioverlord 9 months ago
is it still prossesing?
keyseric 9 months ago
Derek should review Silent Hill 2!!!
Megaparsa 9 months ago
Review a GOOD game on the Wii!
THEREALVITO 9 months ago
If its not from Bugbear, its not Flatout. I know this was from the same dev team that did wii "classics" like Speed and Glacier 2, but seriously how HARD was it to port Flatout 2 from the PS2 or Xbox and add motion steering?
X3CuT1oNR 9 months ago
aw<ful n g^Y
yayi46 9 months ago
Flatout is so much better on PC and Xbox360!
StrawberryGuy86 9 months ago
I had to laugh when it had the guy flying through the air flopping around like a dummy of sorts.
TheGreatGarfield 9 months ago
@TheGreatGarfield and full of helium lol
digioverlord 9 months ago
why does this version of flatout sucks? ps2 and xbox was great
GrandTourGoku 9 months ago
good review, ass sucking game
chuydesorbitado 9 months ago
Why don't you review Flatout 2 or Flatout:Head On?
maxxdblade 9 months ago
Review FlatOut 2 on the PC!
That game is awesome!
Rqoiz 9 months ago
The xbox and ps2 versions are better.Make sure you get the original.
RedWolf3487 9 months ago
I misread the title as saying "FALLOUT"...
Humbuckers12 9 months ago
@Humbuckers12
Fail :)
terminatorkid1019 9 months ago
Oh man! Its like big rigs for the wii!
theaceofspades56 9 months ago
The most popular console tends to have the largest amount of crapware, that goes without saying, but the Wii is just in a completely different league
Did the PS2 have as much crapware as the Wii? Hell no lol
Aaronage1 9 months ago
@Aaronage1 yes it did it actualy had more, alot more just the crapware for the wii gets more endorcement, then the good games
TheMikeman63 9 months ago
@TheMikeman63 Maybe the ratio for good to bad was more favourable on the PS2, I just don't remember seeing as much crap on show, but then again it was a while a go lol
Aaronage1 9 months ago
@Aaronage1
the PS2 has like 10,000 games on it, the wii as of december 2010 only has 900 something, the PS2 has been on the market since forever and no big name titles are on it anymore, all the PS2 has been getting since current gen started were shovelware not including last gen's shovelware wit it
lylatfox4 9 months ago
Oh my god. One of the best Finnish games in existence and look what they did to it! I can't say if this game is as bad as Derek says but I will say this; get the original FlatOut or better yet FlatOut 2!
fiddlebender88 9 months ago
Why didn't they just port Flatout 2? Again?
TheTalkingSammich 9 months ago
Aw man... I remember the days when FlatOut didn't suck :(
EvilHungarian 9 months ago
It's a shame though because Flatout and Flatout 2 for PS2 etc. were awesome.
RJTamm93 9 months ago
Don't buy this game FOO!
gawdofAtheism 9 months ago
Those controls really look horrible. Good review though.
AmericanVideoGames 9 months ago
this game is good in other consoles and pc, and i thought this was a direct port of the flatout 1 or 2. the graphics are horrible, the ps2 version of flatout 1 had better graphics, and wii is supposed to be more powerful than ps2.
JURPO90 9 months ago
I love the original Flatout on the PC...it's sad this sucks.
ThomasGGebert 9 months ago
I think you got a bit excited when you said "those fools" at 4:06 lol.
OriginalYTName 9 months ago
I had no idea a FlatOut game for the Wii existed until I saw this video! Maybe that's a good thing. What a crappy excuse of a game and a insult to the Wii's library of games. And FlatOut is a decent series, it deserves a much better new entry in the series. I liked the one for the 360, I think it's called FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage. Pretty good bargain game.
RetroGamerK91 9 months ago
finding a good Wii game is like finding like finding the right woman, you have to go through all the shitty onesbefore you find the right one
jimmycjc2 9 months ago
flatout 2 for ps2 was far better and that was about four years ago...
thecrazymike12 9 months ago
I THINK NINTENDO just wants there games to get to the top
NateRiverNearL 9 months ago
@NateRiverNearL
dont all companys ?
vbhalo 9 months ago
@vbhalo isnt it strange only Nintendo games look the best,play the best and work the best on the Wii
NateRiverNearL 9 months ago
@NateRiverNearL Theres a few non nintendo games that are totally awsome.
Kingofprinces85 9 months ago
@NateRiverNearL Monster Hunter Tri is a NIntendo game? :o
IRSPONGEBOB 9 months ago
@NateRiverNearL Your Deathnote fan? on the wii there arent the best games.. but nintendo by themself make good games.. and not every game looks great.. but games like no more heroes, Resident Evil4, The Conduit and stuff... there grate and look great... :3 Btw.. be a little bit more fair.. Iam a nintendo and Sony guy, and know the differences. ^^ Near would be Proud of that doing... Btw.. watashi wa L desu... (=_\\)
SONGOKU02 9 months ago
this game looks so freaking blurry on my t.v. compared to others on the wii
jjalepeno55 9 months ago
Watching this video made me sick to my stomach.
EPICsliceOFcake 9 months ago
Would people shut up about the Wii being "awful"? Like Derek said. It's not the system. It's the retarded developers.
DeltaPhi79 9 months ago
flatout used to be amazing what happend Flatout Burnout are great
FaSGamez 9 months ago
1_14 yeah right :S
vennom59 9 months ago
What the hell! flatout 2 on my xbox had much better physics and graphics then this And that game is from last generation!!!
invadercowy 9 months ago
looks better on the ps2 -_-
Spyderi07 9 months ago
did anyone else thought it was fallout and got exited? :
aleswelford 9 months ago
Wow, what the fuck happened to Flatout? These games used to be somewhat decent.
MrDeathSmiles 9 months ago
Flatout bad?
geno344 9 months ago
stuff like this makes me die a little inside...
burrhe 9 months ago
Wasn't there a game called Flatout already released for the PS2 and Xbox? Why would they release it again with worse visuals and controls?
FastTquick 9 months ago
Like motorstom apocolypse. Apocolypse OF THE BIRDS MAYBE!
glitchz1 9 months ago
didnt know they still made flatout games lol. last game i played was on the psp
AnthonyTheAwesome500 9 months ago
Wow. This looks awful. Makes you wonder why people fall for budget titles in the first place. I mean, you get a cheap game, but you get a terrible product.
FreedomOstrich 9 months ago
@FreedomOstrich
I'm just guessing, but I guess the same people that buy 1 dollar apps on smartphones also buy these budget titles. Just a guess though.
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@FaytSaratome A lot of those 1 Dollar Apps, are still much better, than most of those Wii games.
47H10N 9 months ago
Dont fall for buget title unless you do the research.
pippo17173 9 months ago
fans watch in 360p
true fans watch in 240p
anyways this game is sucking... on wii!
AdventureSANANDREAS 9 months ago
there are so many aweful games like this for the wii
Ferril1987 9 months ago 27
@Ferril1987 no WII is aweful
CJ2GAME 9 months ago
@CJ2GAME
Would you like to give reasons or just be a douche?
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@FaytSaratome yes, I dont like Nintendo Wii bcoz there is not much game for HardCore audience like me, I like playing Battlefield, Medal of Honor Online Multiplayer & I am good at it. but Nintendo wii isn't made for that. I grown up playing Nintendo NES, Gameboy so I dont hate Nintendo but only I hate there WII console. & but having said that, there is only a few WII games which I like, Super Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns, New Super Mario Bros. Wii etc.
CJ2GAME 9 months ago
@Ferril1987
Largely due to developers trying to steal money from the ignorant casual gamer.
By the way not using the word ignorant as an insult, more just saying they don't know better.
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@Ferril1987 There are so many awful spellers like you on the internet.
SixAndOneThirdTV 9 months ago
@Ferril1987 Like there isn't aweful games on the other consoles...
If I want to play games with good physics, mechanics and graphics, I play on the PC.
TerraZero0 9 months ago
3rd
Creamy360 9 months ago
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Wii sucks
PS11833 9 months ago
@PS11833 No my friend, you suck!
BaldomeroRococo 9 months ago 11
@BaldomeroRococo What, its true
PS11833 9 months ago
@PS11833
Reasons?
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@FaytSaratome 90% of the games are bad. The graphics are outdated. The controls arent innovative at all.
PS11833 9 months ago
@PS11833
90% games are bad? That actually depends as yes there are a bunch of shit shovelware, a lot of the games are actually amazing. Graphics dated? There is a difference in dated graphics and low tech graphics. By that logic the likes of Mega Man 9 and 10 are terrible because they use 8-bit. And here comes my favorite. "Controls aren't innovative." Because the likes of dual analog on 360 and PS3 are amirite?
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@FaytSaratome Well, theres Move on Ps3 wich is the Wii, just 10 times more precise and then there is Kinect, wich is something completly new.
PS11833 9 months ago
@PS11833
Which is copied from the Wii. Looks like we have a double standard. Also, the Move isn't 10 times more precise as it's only adds depth which is viewed by the camera. But if the Move is out of the camera's view it doesn't work as the on screen avatar goes apeshit.
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@PS11833
And the reason why these companies made those was because of the innovation brought by the wii.
Rejniz 9 months ago
@PS11833 The kinect is nothing more than a shiny more advanced hd version of the eyetoy from the ps2, and some early ps3 games
and the psmove is pretty much just exactly the same as a wii remote with wii motion plus and everything. The only thing that makes it better is that the ps3 hardware itself is obviously more powerful than the wii
MrMagicalToast 9 months ago
@PS11833
Forgot to add, Kinect is nothing new. It's fairly old technology.
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@FaytSaratome And where was this technology used before?
PS11833 9 months ago
@PS11833
PCs? derp
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@FaytSaratome Uhm? Example?
PS11833 9 months ago
@PS11833
it's called webcams. Which then brought fourth the PS EYE, then Kinect. Modern Webcams are the exact same thing as Kinect.
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
@FaytSaratome Webcams and Eyetoy just track movement. When i played eyetoy, my curtains moved and Eyetoy thougt it was me moving. Same is with the webcam. Kinect tracks your body and not any movement what so ever.
PS11833 9 months ago
@PS11833
Boy are you behind the times. If you read my comment, I said the PS EYE gave birth to Kinect, not that they were the same. I also said that modern webcams are the same thing as Kinect. Kinect is nothing more than two webcams, and an inferred cam. Which is now common in most webcams you buy.
FaytSaratome 9 months ago
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!
MsMeatetarian 9 months ago