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  • Damn, now I want to see the review all the more, unfortunately it is blocked in my country because of some copyright shite with music or whatever.

  • @gagaplex I'll see what I can do.

    I will have a go at re-rendering it without the infringing music and I will put an unlisted copy of it up and add the link to the info bar.

    The music that is banned is "Springtime for Hitler" from The Producers

    :0)

  • @paulchartley Awesome, thanks!

  • Sure alot of Banana Man fans here in the comment section, There is more evidence being presented here than has ever been presented by Ray, what you people need is perhaps a picture of a Q-CARDODUCK that would impress you all wouldnt it ?

  • Seriously? Thats what I call grasping at straws.

  • @gweems828 Yeah Ray is good at that - just like all Cbhristians

  • This is laughably ridiculous. If you find the film objectionable, then argue with its declarations and stop making up stupid accusations. I think someone's just jealous of Ray's REAL accent. XD

  • @findinglost He does argue fully with the declarations in his previous review of 180. He mentions this brilliant piece of detective work in it, but most of the review deals with his other criticisms.

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  • Oops. I stand corrected. In watching the stand alone video of Alicia, I see that Ray IS holding a camera. I also see that there is another camera behind him, moving from side to side. I still maintain that your allegation is delusional. Sorry. You haven't convinced me. Photoshop is a wonderful thing....................

  • @maryjo1955 But why would Ray use Photoshop? Seriously, why would Alicia go from a normal speech pattern to speaking like the Borg?

  • @jcgadfly I didn't say Ray used photoshop. I'm thinking more along the lines of the ragmags that use photo shop to make an image look like something it's not to support their sensationalist comments. Really. Haven't you ever had a conversation with someone where they might look away, or their tone of voice, cadence, or expression change as they are really THINKING about what to answer? You ppl who are so hung up on Alicia's tone of voice need to get a life!!!

  • @maryjo1955 I was being sarcastic because Ray is a liar and has been proven so on national TV (remember that Nightline debate?). And while I agree people change cadence and positions on camera they don't look and sound like their reading from a cue card when asked a feeder question..

  • You're saying Ray is holding the camera? That would be wrong. Ray holds the microphone, not the camera. Anyone can photoshop anything to make it look like what it is not. They do it all the time for the tabloids. That is how I veiw this. Another tabloid upchuck. And I think you flatter yourself.l They were working on the stand alone video of Alicia almost immediately after 180 was released. You probably don't even trust your own mother. So sad....

  • The red thing is more than likely the 180 material...>DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • This is RETARDED!!!!!!!!!! LOL....He needs to watch all the interviews before he says this...

  • You never answered my question about the other red spots (which are the same shade of red and appear all over the place) on her sunglasses. Sorry to break it to you but.... It isn't a cue card! It's just caused due to the type of glasses and the way the light hits it. I use to have a glasses that when smugged would reflect red where the smug marks where. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • This red object in her lens isn't nearly convincing enough unless you think Ray is really trying to deceive people. It doesn't make sense why Ray would do this. He's never been accused of doing it before, and if he has it still wouldn't make sense, because supposedly 99% of the time it's obvious he's not prompting anyone so what reason would he have to give someone the answer to his question? I think Alicia's response sounded mechanical because she's known it as a kind of mantra all of her life.

  • @Musicmonk84 Here is the killer question.

    Having watched the video where I show my allegation and the evidence that I use to back up that allegation, is the allegation I am making...

    a - that one of the people being interviewed was prompted on one of their answers

    b - that that person is a paid actor and that Ray is guilty of deception

    Make your choice and then go read the christian news wire article and tell me if Ray is being dishonest

    :0)

  • @paulchartley A and part of B. You're saying she was prompted and that Ray is guilty of deceiving people to think that she is answering from her own thoughts.

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  • @alphaenemy That's a completely baseless allegation. Ray lives in a quaint home with his wife and rides his bike to work everyday. He stands for hours open air preaching in front anyone who'll listen, especially those who hate his guts. Ray makes some money, but he's not a greedy deceiver. His main focus is spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • Prove it.

  • @bblande It is comical that you should post a comment telling me to prove the allegation on a video where I am presenting the evidence in order to prove the allegation.

    Maybe you should watch the video and read what I have written in the info box below it BEFORE you post a comment.

  • That is Ray's hand holding the microphone towards Alicia.  The hand is making a fist around the mic and since his hand is closer to the reflection appears proportionally larger against his body which is further away. If you look closely you can even see the microphone he is holding.

  • @snowmedia I know that that is Ray's hand holding the microphone. What is your point?

    Ray is the person in the light coloured shirt reflected in the left hand lens holding a microphone and a camera

    So what is the guy in the dark coloured shirt holding in his hand that moves towards her that is seen in her right hand lens?.

    We know that Ray is wearing a light blue shirt as we can see it in the footage from the guy in the black shirt's camera.

  • @paulchartley you are correct. I honestly had forgotten which one was Ray. But the red area is still part of a hand maybe even part of his forearm. I did mistaken the dark area above the hand to be a mic, but I believe it is the actually the camera he is holding.

  • your serious? this is your evidence of fraud by ray comfort? she looked to the right? brother, you gotta do better than this. how about you just admit that peoples opinions are being changed, and go on with your life.

  • @tedfeast It is interesting that you should ask that.

    You see I haven't accused Ray of fraud, I have said that Alicia was prompted in this clip by the guy behind Ray

    Ray and Living Waters have release a press release saying that I have accused Ray of Fraud and dishonesty and as you can see from the footage I have not.

    This video shows the allegations that I made and it shows that it is not the allegation Ray is accusing me of so Ray is in fact being dishonest and HE PROVES IT

  • She didn't just look to her right, she moved to her right and looked past the camera lens to read. There is no doubt. Great detective work.

  • I don't know....... isn't it true that a person looks off to the right when they are tapping into the right side of the brain that stores information in order to answer a question? I also heard that you access the left side of your brain when trying to make something up or lie. It seems unfair to say that because her response to the first question was unhesitated and another answer she gave came with a pause and was a "wooden" response that she must be reading from a card. We're not robots.

  • @strugger1 Either all of that complicated stuff you said, or she's reading off of cue cards.

  • I have literally *hours* of video that conclusively fails to show Alicia reading from a cue card. Hours and hours. In fact, Alicia isn't even in the video.

  • I once tried to have a rational argument with a street corner preacher. I soon realized I was smarter than him and gave up.

  • Ray Ray Ray,,,, you should have stuck to bananas.

  • Christians in general, and Ray Comfort in particular, are a pain in the ass.

  • Oh Ray, that pesky 9th commandment has bitten you in the backside again. LOL

    Great video, Paul. I'd give you two thumbs-up if I could, but you'll have to settle for one. Keep debunking that condescending jerk.

  • I wish there was a "love" or "two thumbs up" or maybe an "applause" button for vids...

  • something is up, I am a videographer and I have seen people read lines a million times, often they stutter and mispronounce words, such filler words such as "like" and "um" and pause. I am not certain about what is going on, only that something defiantly is.

  • Oh, man, it's good to hear your voice again. I do enjoy the Ray-baiting, but will the series be back?

  • What they say is a piece of pavement appears to actually be a shoulder of a person wearing a white shirt...

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  • Keep ruffling those feathers Paul. Hope you had fun in Spain, And most importantly, my regards to the good lady.

  • The problem with being a professional liar and con artist like Ray C is that you are going to get caught now and then. His god is so powerful that it needs professional liars. :):):)

    Ray is not as bright as he likes to think he is. That's the problem with believing your own press clippings.

  • The cropping seems quite intentional and seems directed at you. Like "Your'e right but we won't let you prove it."

  • I'd love to see a calm, reasonable atheist track her down and request to record a discussion with her.

  • I still don't know if I accept visual evidence for a cue-card but it definitely seems she is reading something she either chose or was prompted to read.

    Is there any evidence of this sort of thing in the many other similar interviews Ray has done?

    Why would he resort to such a thing? To make people appear to be "without excuse" rather than ignorant?

  • @teavea10 As I said in the video, it may be entirely innocent.

    It could be that she is reading words written on the camera guys hat or t-shirt or it could just be a flyer that is being held up and the guy is holding it up because she is looking towards him for help with the answer rather than him holding it up because she is supposed to read it.

    The bottom line is that she looks to be reading something and it looks like the camera guy is holding something up for her to read.

  • I see now. I assumed what was being held might be evidence for a cue-card to be read which it does not have to be.

  • It's a good thing this gets publicity. If Alicia is indeed a genuine passersby and learns about this controversy, she could come out and dismiss the "accusation" and we can leave it at that. Just silly speculation on the intarwebs from a random YTber.

    However, imagine the impact if it turned out that she was a paid actor. He'd *never* recover from that... At least that's what you'd think, with slimy characters like Peter Popoff still managing to make a comeback.

  • @Holammer I think he could probably get away with Alicia being a plant if it turned out she was but it would probably be completely different if the nazi with way too much blue spiky hair to ever be a "skin head" tuned out to be on the payroll of living waters

  • lol, Hey Ray, what where you saying about lying?

    they don't even get how dishonest is "lying for Jesus"

    If you have to lie to promote your religion, then your religion is a lie on the first place.

  • THERE WAS A SECOND CAMERAMAN WITH A PROMPTER! He was on the grassy knoll, don't ask me how I know this. It makes a lot more sense than the one who popped out of the manhole to get the shot though. lol In all seriousness, this was great, although, I've always had difficulty seeing details like those. Never was good at seeing patterns based on light and colour.

  • @NoNamesLeft0102 It is also very clearly Bigfoot holding the cue card, though if you look carefully, you CAN see a zipper running up his back. ;)

    (I could never see those "Magic Eye" pictures, myself.)

  • If you 'Shop the frames where they zoom in on her mouth just before her sunglasses go out of frame then the note in the hand looks perhaps even more evident.

  • @TheLivingDinosaur I am glad that I am not the only person to notice that the red object is in the guys hand in the left hand frame if you watch my video in HD and full screen and pause my video at precisely 4:50

    There is clearly something there and the alternate angle shows it up a lot better.

    Its only there for a split second but it is there all the same.

    At least I now know that if I am going mad from watching Rays videos, I am not alone.

  • @paulchartley Hi Paul, I've attached a motion tracked version of your video to this one, I think you should have a look at it,

  • That is one way to always get the right answer, or rather the answer you want. Use cue cards. I must remember that.

  • Hey Paul, long time not chat. I hope this "Alecia" person comes forward. Get it from the horses mouth...so to speak. Ray is a piece of work! That is why I use him in some of my vids! Take care, -Salad

  • Talking about not telling the truth: he keeps saying that he created an "award winning" documentary. What award is he talking about?

  • Great video sir!

    I must say, I laughed heartily when at about the 1:00 mark I read Ray's question "Is this the famous Thunderf00t, for some reason, disguising his voice?".

  • @shatterspider Yes, Ray keeps steering them in my direction.

    A vocal few choose to vent their spleen in my direction and tell me how much of a bastard I am and that they will prey for me.

    Most thank me for promoting the 180 movie completely oblivious to the fact that they found my video because the makers of 180 who spent a fortune in advertising their movie are the ones who recommended that they come and watch my video when I said that their movie was not worth watching.

  • Well i would like to post some questions to ray but i would have to subscribe to his blog to do so. I would rather eat my wown vomit

  • @bossman103 Just make a video asking the questions and post it as a reply to one of his videos and before you know it he will have written a blog article about it with a link to your channel and give it a month or two and he will release a press release with links to your video accusing you of saying that he rapes pensioners so that his readers can be outraged.

  • @paulchartley Sounds like ray adnnhis dishonest tactics. I do not like him or his dishonest approach

  • Methinks he doth protest too much

  • lets just hope some of those who bought into ray's rubbish will realize that they've been milked like cows in the name of religion.

    releasing a second video without the sunglasses panned out, that used car salesman really shot himself in the foot this time.

  • I've got to be honest and say that the moving image doesn't convince. I'm sure you're right but when viewed on youtube the "red card" could just as easily be compression artefacts

  • @tmcthree It also occurred to me that it could be a compression artefact, and I readily admit that it could be, however I am curious as to why Ray has chosen to address the matter the way he has, even going as far as to crop out her glasses so we can not see what is reflected on the alternate footage shown in the full Alicia interview.

    He has addressed my video twice now with press releases with the second release saying that I accused him of using paid actors when I did no such thing.

  • @paulchartley The still image appears a lot more clear than the moving image. Does the compression appear on the original video or just on the you tube version?

  • @tmcthree I download the 180 video from YT in HD, then play full screen in media player pausing the frame at relevant moments and doing the brightness and contrast effects changes

    I then screen capture it with the clipping tool so I am enhancing the video and not the screen grab.

    There are some red tints but the object in the guys hand moves with his hand and is in multiple frames as the lighter blob that is his hand moves forwards.

    I have not watched it on DVD, only on YouTube.

  • @tmcthree I don't know if it is on the DVD but I am not the only person to see this object and comment about it online and the comment section of rays video was full of people talking about it.

    I noticed the change in her speech pattern so looked at the reflections in her glasses and found this so was the first person to post a picture in a video of what she may be reading from although apparently the instance I show is not the only instance seen in the video

  • You have him bang to rights, no question.

  • actually can see cue cards in both lenses of her glasses

  • what,  ray comfort breaking the 9th commandment??! surely not!! you got him bang to rights mt c

  • You've made the big time now, Paul! :-)

  • her slow staggered speech did seem as though she was reading from a cue card. Not 100% conclusive, but certainly suspicious to any watching skeptic.

    I can just see Columbo walking away, .. then stopping as he gets to the door, .. "Oh by the way, .. one more thing" (SHIT!! , HE'S GOT ME)

  • So, here we have it: proof positive that g*d invented sunglasses to bust lying fail trolls.

  • 'What do you call a person who doesn't tell the truth?'

    How about an apologist?

  • In a csi world we could enhance the shit out of the image and see exactly what is on the card

  • @angrywhenroused christian science investigation?

  • @PlanetBongoSan If it was a Christian Science Investigation, it would turn out that the person that is being g reflected in Alicia's glasses in the video is Jesus and the card he is holding up is conclusive proof that evolution didn't happen

  • @paulchartley i think i saw that episode!

  • @PlanetBongoSan put "let's enhance" into the youtube search bar and all will be revealed

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  • Have you applied to the Guinness book of records for the worlds smallest conspiracy? A one man conspiracy - you cannot get smaller than that.

  • Just like the usual denial process used by delusional people who cannot accept that their imaginary sky daddy is just that, imaginative. Deny facts, deny facts, deny facts and maybe they will go away. Nope

    "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."-Aldous Huxley

    Ray Cumfart is most dishonest, manipulative and a conman for one purpose; make cash to keep him in a nice lifestyle. Love his denial of Evolution. That should clue us into his mindset.

  • I can hear the sound of a slam dunk from here :-)

  • How dare you ruffle Ray's feathers! It's not his fault his ancestors never evolved beyond bird brains.

  • @GluteusIlluminatus You insult birds by comparing them to Ray Cumfart.

  • I didn't find the Alicia bit conclusive, I have to say. The reflection is too unclear to say what's happening behind her, and people do behave differently in front of a camera, so the whole Alicia angle proves nothing to me. You had much stronger arguments in your Review video, and here Comfort tackles you on the weakest one of them. It's a straw-man with a little body to it, but still an attempt to validate his video by refuting the weakest part of yours.

  • It is obvious that Ray feels threatened by your video because usually Ray doesn't address critics directly, well not this comprehensively any way. I think you have made him look like a fool and he knows it.

    And for that you get a MASSIVE round of applause!!

  • @peyo001 I know, when I saw his blog article I was curious as to why he had addressed it at all but when he released the press release blatantly lying and accusing me of saying that I had evidence that he used paid actors it just screams out the fact that he is trying to play the persecution card and drum up some sympathy.

    I said he appeared to have used cue cards.

    I said nothing about the people being featured being paid.

  • @paulchartley which to me is an indication he might actually have used paid actors, be it very crappy actors.

    I have a suspicion he just paid a couple of people to say these things

  • It could be a red banana instead of a cue card. Or... it could be a red banana being used as a cue card.

  • I wonder if he even believes in god or if he's a complete fruad.

  • @ThirdRAILKink It does make you wonder.

    He is either secretly working for the atheist cause or he is the Frank Spencer of theism.

    Just about everything he does makes atheists look good.

  • @paulchartley

    He is one of my heroes, his continuing work, along with Ken Hamm, Kent Hovind, Pat Robertson and the like, expend stupendous efforts to make religion look even stupider than it is.

    Not denigrate the efforts of you & many other utube atheist, but their excesses have probably turned more theists away from religion than anyone else.

    The internet, where god comes to die!!

  • @Wordavee1 I used to work for Pat Robertson. As a matter of fact I still live about a mile from his house. And I agree with everything you said! : )

  • @FishHeadSalad

    Bet your house ain't as big as his!!

  • @Wordavee1 No bet needed! You are right! : ) Though, in all honesty, I must say that his house is nowhere as big as Joyce Meyer's or the Crouch's or Benny Hinn's. My wife and mother go to Pat's house often. Still, to this day. He is not as extravagant as the others! But still!!! He understands finance just as much as he understands his version of his god. He did not become rich from being a fool. He became rich from understanding fleecing.

  • @FishHeadSalad

    Ahh he's a simple soul, I suppose he just needs one of everything, just one private jet, one airstrip, 1$billion.

  • @paulchartley You know that Ray can ask for forgiveness, for his lies to hes sky daddy ?! :)) .. and then he can go all over again, and again, and again ..... and ...

  • I have to commend paulcharley on spotting her sudden change in speech.

    He sent his son Jesus Christ to the earth to um....

    (cue card switch)

    to die for the sinners.

  • Good ol' Ray... discredited for half a decade non-stop and still lying for Jesus.

    I'm not too sure about a red cue card, but the way the girl moves and speaks is evidence enough in itself that she's reading a prepared speech halfway through.

    I love that Ray's complete footage is cropped, simply because it shows just how much he has to hide. Thanks for being a douchebag, Ray! You make atheists look good by default.

  • oh Ray!

    he could clear it up with an affidavit from Alicia, he must have her details on the release form.

    I hope you are not suggesting that he peddles his christianity like washing powder mr hartley;)

  • @jimthepleb He has the raw high definition, DVD and broadcast quality footage available so he could easily do exactly what I have done using the original footage to prove that the red smudge is just an illusion.

    I didn't do anything fancy, all I did was increase the brightness and play with the contrast.

    Instead he releases footage from the second camera but crops it so that you can not see her glasses.

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