Ignore celt130 as he knows nothing about proper nutrition. He believes roughly 6.25 billion people eating 58 billion animals by the end of this year is just fine. Well, that just proves that he is ignorant.
About 40% of people are B12 deficient and less than 5% of people are vegetarians. The problem is, as you age you loose your ability to absorb B12 from food. This is called atrophic gastritis which means the stomach secretes less hydrochloric acid, pepsin and intrinsic factor that are needed to absorb B12. This is very common in older people. All people should take B12 regardless of whether you are a vegan or meat eater. It really is a silly debate when people say vegans are B12 deficient.
It has been suggested that an increased plasma homocysteine (Hcy) level is an independent risk factor for cardiovascular diseases.Remethylation of Hcy to methionine requires vitamin B12(methylcobalamin form)as a coenzyme for Hcy methyltransferase(methionine synthetase)and N5-methyltetrahydrofolate as a methyl donor.The transsulfuration pathway of Hcy to cysteine requires vitamin B6 as a coenzyme for both cystathionine β-synthase(converts Hcy to cystathionine)and cystathionine lyase
Vegans and ovo-lactovegetarians had significantly higher mean plasma Hcy levels than omnivores, and plasma Hcy concentration was significantly negatively correlated with serum/plasma vitamin B12 concentration"
Chemistry behind Vegetarianism J. Agric. Food Chem., 2011
"He summarised findings from 12 studies concerning cobalamin status in vegetarian/vegan diets, and found overall that 50% of the studies\u2019 participants could be considered as cobalamin-deficient. Armstrong et al.35 and Dong and Scott36 were able to show that cobalamin concentrations decrease with increasing avoidance of animal-derived products".
Homocysteine and cobalamin status in German vegans
Intakes of vitamin B12 and selenium (Se) were below the appropriate lower reference nutrient intake (LRNI) in 80% and 65% of NSU respectively. After supplements, 33% of SU remained below the LRNI for vitamin B12 and 33% below the LRNI for Se.
Micronutrient intakes in a group of UK vegans and the contribution of self-selected dietary supplements
Vitamin D Intake: A Global Perspective of Current Status1
Mona S. Calvo*,2, Susan J. Whiting† and Curtis N. Barton*
"Even in countries that do fortify, vitamin D intakes are low in some groups due to their unique dietary patterns, such as low milk consumption, vegetarian diet, limited use of dietary supplements, or loss of traditional high fish intakes. Our global review indicates that dietary supplement use may contribute 6–47% of the average vitamin D intake in some countries."
"Vitamin D production is highest when the sun's rays are most intense-between 10a.m. and 3p.m. during the summer months.In locations above 42 degrees north latitude(Chicago, Boston, and Portland, Oregon, for instance),vitamin D production does not occur from late October through early March.Even as far south as Atlanta (about 35 degrees north latitude), vitamin D production doesn't occur from November to February."
Dietary intake and nutritional status of young vegans and omnivores in Sweden1,2,3
Christel L Larsson and Gunnar K Johansson
1 From the Department of Food and Nutrition, Umeå University, Umeå, Sweden.
"Vegans had dietary intakes lower than the average requirements of riboflavin, vitamin B-12, vitamin D, calcium, and selenium. Intakes of calcium and selenium remained low even with the inclusion of dietary supplements"
"Dietary Intake of Vitamin D in Premenopausal, Healthy Vegans was Insufficient to Maintain Concentrations of Serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D and Intact Parathyroid Hormone Within Normal Ranges During the Winter in Finland
At northern latitudes, dietary intake of vitamin D in vegans was insufficient to maintain S-25(OH)D and S-iPTH concentrations within normal ranges in the winter, which seems to have negative effects on bone mineral density in the long run."
"Their study involved 245 Adventist ministers who were either lactoovovegetarians or vegans.The mean vitamin B12 level was 199 pmol/L and 73 per cent of the ministers had a level below the recommended lower limit of 221 pmol/L.Additional tests showed that the vitamin B12 deficiencies observed among lactoovovegetarians were due to dietary deficiencies rather than to malabsorption"
" Absorption of crystalline vitamin B12 does not decline with advancing age. However, compared with the younger population, absorption of protein-bound vitamin B12 is decreased in the elderly, owing to a high prevalence of atrophic gastritis in this age group. Atrophic gastritis results in a low acid-pepsin secretion by the gastric mucosa, which in turn results in a reduced release of free vitamin B12 from food proteins."
"In many parts of the world where people have little access to meat, they have run the risk of malnutrition, said Milton. This happened, for instance, in Southeast Asia where people relied heavily on a single plant food, polished rice, and developed the nutritional disease, beriberi. Closer to home, in the Southern United States, many people dependent largely on corn meal developed the nutritional disease, pellagra"
Buffered against nutritional deficiency by meat,human ancestors also could intensify their use of plant foods with toxic compounds such as cyanogenic,glycosides,foods other primates would have avoided.These compounds can produce deadly cyanide in the body,but are neutralized by methionine and cystine,sulfur-containing amino acids present in meat.Sufficient methionine is difficult to find in plants.Most domesticated grains contain this cyanogenic compound,most beans and widely-eaten root crops
"Without meat, said Milton,it's unlikely that proto humans could have secured enough energy and nutrition from the plants available in their African environment at that time to evolve into the active, sociable, intelligent creatures they became.Receding forests would have deprived them of the more nutritious leaves and fruits that forest-dwelling primates survive on,said Milton.
"Mean serum vitamin B12 was highest among omnivores (281, 95% CI: 270-292 pmol/l), intermediate among vegetarians (182, 95% CI: 175-189 pmol/l) and lowest among vegans (122, 95% CI: 117-127 pmol/l). In all, 52% of vegans, 7% of vegetarians and one omnivore were classified as vitamin B12 deficient (defined as serum vitamin B12 <118 pmol/l). There was no significant association between age or duration of adherence to a vegetarian or a vegan diet and serum vitamin B12"
Some vegans will try to make you believe the supplements they take are natural and are the same bacteria you can find in the intestins of herbivores.The products you find in there supplements are called "cyanocobalamin" and "methylcobalamine".As you can notice these names doesn't sound natural as they are 100% human creation and simply don't exist in nature.
Where now your industrially grown vegetables and fruit grows there was forests and wildlife.If we should eat less meat and use more pastures that would make a big difference.But we talked about large companies only interested by making money.That issue also concerns vegetables and fruit by the way where the use of fertilizer,pesticides and GM crops are also a big issue.You now understand why I am not impressed by your claims and hypocraty.
Let's talk about "factory farming".For the moment about 60% of the world population in living in urban areas and that number will rise.That means those people cannot sustain themselves and need to be fed every day.Large companies are controlling the food market,not only meat but fruit and vegetables are also concerned.What are those companies interested in?Making money at all costs.You think because you don't eat meat you are not part of that system?
It is mister Wacko for you,if we take a look at your study do you find a study on not even 5% of the world population relevant?This study is talking about the US but frankly we all know it is not a prime example when it's come to quality,variety and eating habits.If you would go to continental Europe you would find something else.We can all agree that eating 2/3 times meat a day is not very good but the fact is that moderate meat eating is not bad for your health even if you claim it.
Just one more thing to clear up, then I'm out of here. Earlier I said that pure carnivorous animals can get B12 from the gut contents of their prey: plant matter. I was trying to save characters. It should have said: soil bacteria in the plant matter. Hasta la vista, you vegan hating nut!
Yes. The intestines, the rumen, organs and the meat all contain b12. They have to eat this because the digestive system of a carnavoire cannot concentrate b12 in the same manner as a herbavoire. So they have to eat the guts... the extra stomach that containes the concentrated B12 in order to recieve enough of it.
Dammit, quit causing me to have to reply. Your friend in this very video said carnivorous animals get B12 from the gut CONTENTS of they prey. His words not mine. And they can get B12 from the soil bacteria in the plant matter in the gut contents. You are not a carnivore. This has become nauseatingly repetitive: I take B12...it's the easiest thing in the world. All the artificial devices, including factory farming, to kill animals for food are far LESS natural, disgustingly cruel, & unnecessary.
You're the one that must get the last word in. Your calling me "weak" is quite funny. I'm a hell of a strong person. And what are you now, a drug dealer? Helping someone with Prozac? I don't take ANY medications, btw.
YOU are the weak one, obsessed with and so threatened by a small percentage of people, while you're in the complacent majority, comfortably and aggressively "normal." LOL!
Most vegans are not \worred about that. You however, are quite laughable. Your childish reactions, your lies, your obsession, your delusion. Your weakness.
I am not threatened by anything or anybody. This is more delusion on your part. I am not threatened by vegans. However, humanity in general are threatened by the lies spewed from the mouths of the likes of you. You are a stuck up arrogant piece of trash who thinks they are better than everybody else.
Poseidon: Wow, you are hateful and delusional! Not to mention dishonest. If you must respond to this, please don't invade my inbox by replying...just make it a regular comment. Ordinarily, when you block someone it means you don't want to go on and on communicating with them. This discussion has been totally pointless.
Even young, healthy, vitamin-taking meat-eaters may not be getting enough B12, according to Tufts University nutritionist Katherine Tucker, PhD.
A study published in 2000, also in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, showed that nearly 40% of 3,000 adults under age 50 had disturbingly low blood levels of vitamin B12.
Vegans are about 1% of the population. I get my B12 from micro-organisms and absorb it. What's "unnatural" is factory farming ("pharming") and slaughterhouses. Bye, whacko.
If you are so sure about your ideas we can all suppose you are a scientist?Where can we read your essays exactly?I get my data coming from all sides and not from your "Weston Price Foundation".You can find a lot of scientist comming from all sorts of background saying what I present.Even serious vegan sites tell you this story.The vegan society wich is the oldest vegan organisation in the world accepts this facts but you know better?Grow up.
With over 6 billion people, "growing animals" to feed them requires a lot of chemicals: antibiotics, growth hormones (estrogens), etc., along with sadistic abuse. And you are calling people's taking B12 supplements "unnatural." Wow, that is ludicrous! WHAT ABOUT MEAT EATERS' B12 DEFICIENCY? And NO, I am not remorseful about eating plants. They do not panic and try to escape when threatened. Certain cultures have begun to eat aborted babies. Is that a precious "liberty" too?
So we do no longer talk about my "dishonest" data as you find this data on the site of "The Vegan Society" the oldest Vegan organisation in the world.Normal that you wish to change to another subject.Sure some omnivores (not meat eaters)can have B12 deficiency simply because some livestock is fed with what you people eat.The truth is that you cannot be a healthy vegan without the knowledge and the big logistics machine of the modern world.You want to speak environment, go to my other video.
Lies enough "humans are not made to eat meat" or "our ancestors did not eat meat", that is where the B12 vitamin proves you scientifically wrong.The other lies you can find on my other material,be free to visit me there...
You are insane in your obsession with vegans. We are healthy; using & killing animals is not necessary, and it is WRONG. You ignored my valid points and gave crazy misinformation about what "livestock" eat and B12; that's too insane to reply to. Go ahead, get in the last word; I know that's important to you. Keep spreading misinformation to gullible people. Whoever chooses to believe you isn't someone we need as an ally anyways...too suggestible, weak-willed, and unreliable. You can have them.
So you say basicly that people like "The vegan society" are fools?That they are not putting the right information?What kind of message are you giving to other vegans?You got kicked on the B12 issue and now you are pathetic.If you are not afraid to talk about the environment,let's talk.Otherwise Bye, bye. smart guy...And learn a very important lesson if you want to live with other humans,it's called tolerance to other people and ideas.When you get older maybe you will understand.
@celt130 ur a fucking jerk all we need is a multi-vitimain or b12 vitimain ok n we'll be healthy u only need b12 in MICROgrams n even if I stopped taking a supplement it would take at least 5 to 20 years 4 me to become ill ok
Insulting me me is not going to make you look smart, on the contrary. Ever thought about the fact if from birth you wouldn't take B12 or vitamin D, wich you also don't find in vegan diets, how long would you live?Is there an argument in your post?Because I don't see one.
@celt130 there was an argument it's that that peson u were arguing with has lived for 24 years! without any problems. also dan the man the liferegenerator u'll find him here on youtube has lived on fruits,veggies,nuts and seeds for 10 years n he feels great he has no problems so what ur preaching is anti-vegan bullshit
If I am preaching anti-vegan bullshit why don't you debunk me with data or scientific facts then?There are people living on a total meat diet already for 30 years amongst us, what does that prove?Inuits have lived for centuries with a 90%-99% meat-fish diet without having almost any heart diseases or cancers.Still anti-vegan bullshit?
@celt130 "There are people living on a total meat diet already for 30 years amongst us, what does that prove?Inuits have lived for centuries with a 90%-99% meat-fish diet without having almost any heart diseases or cancers" that didn't disprove my claim that veganisnm is ok. watch "Mimi Kirk - Sexiest Vegetarian"
YOU are trying to make the world better?How,by imposing your lies to verybody?You cannot accept simple scientific proof so how exactly is this making the world better?You are an extremist and an extremist is NEVER good for other people.That those ideas are political,etnical,religious or ethical you will always be a danger to liberty.The liberty we still have to be an omnivor.Plant matters you say,why do you eat them then without remorse and alive then?
You are so terribly ignorant. You blocked me because you're afraid of my truth, like you say about anyone who blocks you.
B12 is a microorganism in soil, not a product of meat. Vegans who supplement B12 are less likely to be deficient than are meat eaters who don't supplement. And that's the truth. Look up B12 deficiency in meat eaters. I'm vegan 24 years and extremely healthy. Making little B12 pills is way preferable to slaughterhouses.
It is you who are very ignorant,you ignore science.Sure there is B12 in bacteria but you are not a ruminant who can absorb vegetal B12.Science proves you wrong so get over it.Your B12 pills proves that veganism is not a natural choice for your body,there has never been any people in the past totaly vegan.Only from the 1930/40 do healthy vegans exist because of science and the big logistic machine who brings your exotic food to your table.I am 45 omnivore and very healthy,so what about that?
You're an anti-vegan hysteric getting information from the Weston Price Foundation, a dishonest meat & dairy industry org. Their statement on B12 is false. All B12 is "vegetal." Even pure carnivores absorb "vegetal" B12. You say in your own video that carnivorous animals get B12 from the gut contents of their prey: plant matter. Stop being an anti-vegan activist. We're trying to make the world better. Again, B12 supplements are preferable to animal abuse. You ignored meat eaters' B12 deficiency.
@ 1221solstice2012 ...actually, you are a delusaional dishonest liar about human biology and how we must naturally recieve our nutrients. It is nature that designed us this way, and that includes you as well. You cannot get enough B12 from vegatables no matte how much you wish it to be true. You do not have a digestive system that is designed to recieve B12 the way that natural herabavoires do. This is a natural biological and scientific fact.
@celt130..... 1221solstice2012 "I'm vegan 24 years" celt130 all u have is ranting..... against some1 with 24! years of being a vegan there r countless vegan's n vegetarians like this. expierence is the biggiest proof of all. so veganism wins fool
I blocked you because I warned you about calling me a "Meat Eater" instead of calling me by my proper natural designation, which is a naturally omniverous human being. I warned you, you ignored it, and you got blocked.
You actually believe he lies that you have been fed. You are dangerous. You will one day either die, or will have to get B12 shots to survive.
If you are going to block someone, then don't reply to them. I take B12 supplements. You ignored the study about nearly 40% of meat eaters having dangerously low B12 in their blood. I've been vegan 24 years and have never had any health problems and am very energetic and active. B12 manufacture is WAY easier and more natural than "growing" animals in factory farms with all the pharmaceuticals that requires, and then there's the horrible slaughter. NO EXCUSE FOR ANY OF IT! Go away, vegan hater.
What study? I am not interested in your fake propaganda.
I do not hate vegans. I do not hate anyone. I accept my physiology as nature designed it.
I am an omnivoire. That is a fact. I am not going to take an artificial supplement and deny my nature. I buy meat freerange and they do not recieve hormones and all that other bullshit.
You are the ONLY one being a hater here.
Also, I will respond wherever and whenever I please. You do not get to make the rules on this channel. Got it?
Eating vegetables who are not properly washed is stupid.Specially if they come from a bio-garden.You can get your B12 from eating feces like the apes but is it really healthy?Your argument really stands on nothing and is wrong.A lot of seious vegan sites tell us that the human body can not absorb vegetal B12 but you seem to know better?
The B12 issue is interesting in understanding extreme vegan ideas.The 4 cornerstones of extreme vegan ideas are. 1.Humans are not made to eat meat. 2.We do not eat meat because animals have pain. 3. Eating meat is bad for the earth. 4. Meat is bad for your health.The B12 issue is targeting that first argument.What are your thought's about that issue?
Yes as said you can get B12 from feces.This is an argument used by extreme vegans"that there is B12 on unwashed vegetables".It is a stupid argument simply because as a human it is very unwise to eat unwashed vegetables.Specially if they are bio products.You will get very sick.
You are an advocate of veganism, so I can legally put a video response on the claims you make.Or am I wrong about your intentions?Posting videos on Youtube makes you an activist and people can reply to your ideas.Or do you not tolerate other ideas?
And what exact claims am I making about B12 in my "VEGAN YOUTUBERS" video? None.
I do discuss other ideas, but my video talks nothing about nutrition and you're posting about B12, find another video which encourages discussion on this topic so it will be useful, otherwise you're just spamming.
Just a note on B12 - fertilizer (sheep and cow manure) was/is used for planting crops and is an excellent source of B12. Unfortunately our produce is so vigorously cleaned it loses B12 as a reliable source. Best thing is a home garden where possible.
When looking at all those videos made me curious about them.People who presents themselves as having the answer to all our problems by stopping meateating.Isn't that a reason to investigate about there claims?So I didn't only look at the facade of what they are saying but I entered the house.And I made some reasearch and discovered a lot of things.If people would have done the same with the Nazis we would have been better of.People who have all the answers are dangerous people.
You are claiming to have all the answers as well. You are an extremist in your own right-advocating the use of meataka dead animals, while i already proved very little b12 is needed-sikhs lived half vegan half vegetarian lifestyles. They werent dependent on animals period,.My qualm with you isn't that i disagree with b12 nor am i saying it's not used. it's the fact that vids like yours make it sound like it's a reason to kill and it's not. There are solutions but you never bring them up.
Everybody is an extremist including you,we all have our own background and ideas.The difference is we can have a conversation and eventually change our ideas.Why dont you tell us about your solutions?
Not bringing them up, is an extremist view. You focus entirely on discreding activists who are at LEAST trying to help the world, while u just make videos. It's not like they are nazis which you are comparing. Where are your factual vids on how factory farms are harming our environment and polluting our waters? It's easy to put down others ideas to help the earth, it's difficult to come to solutions. Your vids show one side, but never the other. why? b.c you support the consumption of meat..
I can survive on little b12. you said so yourself 15 years for it to be through my body. Eating b12 then doesn't need me to eat meat if so little is needed. Extremists who say none, may be wrong but taht doesn't mean they aren't on to something. Perhaps humans are living greedy lives and perhaps facts are that we are digging ourselves into a hole b.c factory farms are causing major harm. but you have no vids on facts about why extremists who love factory farms are wrong..why? b.c u like meat
I support the free choice of people.Extremists are the Yang and I am the Ying.Let the people decide what they want to believe or not.Check out my new video soon about that subject.
The 'Yin' is itself an extreme-one sided. Unless you debunk myths for the other side of the tracks, you too are the same. A vid you could try is on people who say vegetarians are ill and weak-debunk this myth, or ones like it..why not if your sole purpose is to bring facts. Here's a truths for you-I agree b12 is needed, however i wont justify the slaughter and cruelty of billions of animals lives for what i can obtain from a piece of cheese or glass of milk every few months.
That's exactly why I put that disclaimer, I am not at war with vegans but with extremist who will use any lie our trick in the book to get there message on the web.Wait a little bit and you will maybe see some pointing there nose.On vegan reasonable vegan sites I read somewhere that vegetal B12 cannot be absorbed by the human body.These people are telling there lies in impunity for to long on the web, an answer was needed,sadly.
I'm not an extremist or a vegan, unsure why you did this as a responce to my video-It is truthful about how animals are treated within factory farms, puppymills, and the circus. I don't even mention B12.
That is an ethical question, not a question based on the scientific proof you need B12 to survive.The oldest and most reliable source of B12 for humans are not feces but meat,fish,insects and that is a fact.
Here is fact : Early humans ate little to no meat, b.c we do not need much vitamin b12 to survive and it is accessible in eggs and other byproducts. Fact: Vegans and vegetarians are not living in a time period we need to use animals any longer. It is just our culture. Fact: To do the least amount of harm possible some may choose synthasized b12 if not byproducts. You trying to start a debate with extremists is a waste of good time that could be spent on facts that help us and our fellow creaturs
One last fact-you targeted my video-based on vegetarianism which uses animal byproducts-accepts b12. If you truly want to educate those extremists, you are targeting the wrong crowd.
Oh yeah, and another fact you may be intesrested in hearing. a whole culture in India with the religion Sikhism does not eat animals or eat eggs. It is against what their God teaches them. They are a thriving people and exist all over teh world now. My friend who is Sikh is quite healthy and alive-born not eating these things. You will have to excuse me if I think there's more facts out there that you aren't privy to. I think you have facts-just not all of them
You have also the religion "Jainism" where some factions dont eat plants who you need to take out of the ground because they believe you must not hurt living things.Religion is not based on science, it is based on personnel believes and religious dogmas and ethics.Does your friend eat fish?
Sihks do not eat animals-including fish period. The reason I bring it up is that it is an old culture where people surivived and STILL do. It means that ppl have lived and still do without an animal supply of b12 and without a scientifically manufactored one. It means taht you DON'T have all the facts, and are not spreading truths just HALF truths. Unless you are an EXPERT then yes, you are doing a disservice to ppl who are vege as well as gaining publicity to the extremists.
I checked the vegetarian Punjabi cuisine from where the Sikh's originated.They seem to use milk and cheese in there vegetarian recipies?I checked also the cuisine of the Jainism believers,a very strict religion on how to treat life in general.They drink milk but do not mix it with some other ingrediants or on certain days.I believe as opposed to extremists that there are several truth's on this planet.I dont ask people to believe me but to seek information on the subject and think for themselves
Indeed, milk is used, as it doesn't hav eto harm the animal. If you visit health food stores there are vegan cheeses avilable without rennet- no animal fats. Like I said, I'm not an extremist-but we need very little b12 to survive so killing isn't our only option.
Here we are going out of the video's subject,the subject is that you cannot live without B12 period.And that B12 is the most natural in meat,meatproducts,insects,fish for humans.Jainism and Sihk's are vegetarian not vegan wich proves the vegan lyvestyle was not sustainable in the old days before the big logistic machine who feeds us all today.Pain is another subject treated in another video.
Sikhism originated in India, most of the people were not wealthy and lived in poverty. The chances that sikh's owned a cow or sheep or had access to milk and cheese in great quantities back in the olden days is very slim.
but again i wil state i'm all for b12 access. I'm not vegan, tho i support vegetarians all the way. However, what makes your vids unlike extremists? you are for one opinion, you speak your opinions on others-like myself-by tagging my vid, instead of just replying to the ppl you target...How arent you shoving your beliefs on other ppl like they do? the moment you advertise to ppl who dont believe the same as u
What I mean by having whole truths is that I can find scholarly journal articles supporting one beliefs with facts to back it up and in the same breath find a journal article with facts contrdicting the previous one. Facts are still a slippery slop based on a perception you take. If you want to go up against a person's belief system you at least need to understand that not every person is going to agree with you and it doesn't make them any less 'learned' I am not your opponent anyhow.
so based on my knowledge of sikh's I do have to suggest that some ppl may have ancestors that were vegans and lived happily as them and still do. Facts are a slippery slope.
I am exposing things a lot of people dont know, period.If exposing things based on science is bad I can only disagrea with you and the extremists.Some people took that change a long time ago and that got us out the Middle ages and brought us "Renaisance".The truth hurts a specialy to extremists that is a fact.I am for your own freedom of choice based on your own ethics,not on dictorship imposed by extremists even if it is based on religion,politics or ethical questions.
Your vids are extreme as well. It holds one, biased belief based on a fact that is only part of the whole truth-There can be many windows of opportunity and truths. I proved that to you by showing you a culture that does not rely on your science to survive and is not sick or dying. You can't ignore facts if you are supposedly into them.If you were open minded to the fact that there are many ways to live perhaps i'd think different. Considerin I'm not disagreeing that b12 is needed and helpful.
ps- your video holds no sources how valuabl is your opinion if you are not an expert in th ematter (phd) or have no sources of where you gather the info so others can asses if the 'facts' are even coming from a reliable source and just not some site anyone can create or one that is biased. If you want to make both extremists and all ppl who live this lifestyle look stupid or ignorent, you'll hav eto deal with posts like this. B.c yes, these vids challenge a lifestyle, period.
You're more spot on with this video. A lot of vegans will come out with silly things like that and it's due to lack of research or their mindset.
B12 is also found in yeast extract, certain nuts, soy and there are some more that have skipped my mind.
I know you said that this isn't meant to be an attack but you're making a very strong negative stereotype about vegans. Get to know some first then make a video.
Thanks for the reply and I know you're not against us, like I said in my reply on the other video I just can't believe that some vegans think/act like this. I've never seen any evidence of it. If you could link me to some sites/videos where vegans have these strange opinions and views then that'd be great! :)
Meh, there are tons of facts that would prove this video wrong. I've spent a lot of time studying anthropology and early humans survived mostly on vegetables and grains until the ice age when we were forced to adapt. The 'facts' on this vid are probably pointing at cultures in icy areas-inuit. Hardly speaks for humanity as a whole. b12 is accessible in other sources. I'm hardly an extremist or a vegan, but any vid can be biased even when using facts. History books are a lot like this as well.
There is not much b12 a human actually needs. Early humansate little meat&-weare speaking of one fish between a group of ppl every few weeks. If a meat eater quit right now, they would more than likely have enough b12 in their system to be recycled for 20 years .we synthesize b12there's no need to continue our cruelty.but our culture isn't after nutrition anymore. We are hardly the 'natural' meateaters this vid isweconsume too much, greedy, and it turned into to cruelty that never used to exist.
That is what I said that you get sick after a long time.But if you NEVER eat B12 and only eat vegan stuff from your birth you will die quickly in a survival situation as did our ancestrors lived in.
sorry Zombryn hun, I'm only replying with you, as you seem reasonable to discuss this with and may even understand where I am coming from. I'm not even a vegan, I get my b12 from eggs. ;) I'm not saying this vids wrong either, just that there's many angles to look at a situation like this. I like to look at what is greater good? argueing about how to get b12? or educating ppl on how to live healthy lives- none dependent on processed, junk, or fast foods. ;)
It's alright, I completely agree with what you're saying and don't deny any of it.
And you are exactly right on educating people about how to eat better and healthier. Not only am I a vegan because of the animal rights side of things but I also don't see the point in completely destroying my body to the point where it'll knock 10 or so years off my life.
Ignore celt130 as he knows nothing about proper nutrition. He believes roughly 6.25 billion people eating 58 billion animals by the end of this year is just fine. Well, that just proves that he is ignorant.
vegansnowboarder2 8 months ago
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Strangely this spammer doesn't make any attempt to prove this video wrong as he cannot.
Most of the arguments he uses are not based on any scientific data; so he tries to use emotional arguments.
He is not interested in your health, he is only interested in endoctrinating you and believe the same lies he does.
celt130 8 months ago
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About 40% of people are B12 deficient and less than 5% of people are vegetarians. The problem is, as you age you loose your ability to absorb B12 from food. This is called atrophic gastritis which means the stomach secretes less hydrochloric acid, pepsin and intrinsic factor that are needed to absorb B12. This is very common in older people. All people should take B12 regardless of whether you are a vegan or meat eater. It really is a silly debate when people say vegans are B12 deficient.
SpaceWalkTraveller 9 months ago
It has been suggested that an increased plasma homocysteine (Hcy) level is an independent risk factor for cardiovascular diseases.Remethylation of Hcy to methionine requires vitamin B12(methylcobalamin form)as a coenzyme for Hcy methyltransferase(methionine synthetase)and N5-methyltetrahydrofolate as a methyl donor.The transsulfuration pathway of Hcy to cysteine requires vitamin B6 as a coenzyme for both cystathionine β-synthase(converts Hcy to cystathionine)and cystathionine lyase
celt130 11 months ago
Vegans and ovo-lactovegetarians had significantly higher mean plasma Hcy levels than omnivores, and plasma Hcy concentration was significantly negatively correlated with serum/plasma vitamin B12 concentration"
Chemistry behind Vegetarianism J. Agric. Food Chem., 2011
celt130 11 months ago
"He summarised findings from 12 studies concerning cobalamin status in vegetarian/vegan diets, and found overall that 50% of the studies\u2019 participants could be considered as cobalamin-deficient. Armstrong et al.35 and Dong and Scott36 were able to show that cobalamin concentrations decrease with increasing avoidance of animal-derived products".
Homocysteine and cobalamin status in German vegans
celt130 11 months ago
Intakes of vitamin B12 and selenium (Se) were below the appropriate lower reference nutrient intake (LRNI) in 80% and 65% of NSU respectively. After supplements, 33% of SU remained below the LRNI for vitamin B12 and 33% below the LRNI for Se.
Micronutrient intakes in a group of UK vegans and the contribution of self-selected dietary supplements
1. H.J. Lightowler
celt130 11 months ago
Vitamin D Intake: A Global Perspective of Current Status1
Mona S. Calvo*,2, Susan J. Whiting† and Curtis N. Barton*
"Even in countries that do fortify, vitamin D intakes are low in some groups due to their unique dietary patterns, such as low milk consumption, vegetarian diet, limited use of dietary supplements, or loss of traditional high fish intakes. Our global review indicates that dietary supplement use may contribute 6–47% of the average vitamin D intake in some countries."
celt130 1 year ago
"Vitamin D production is highest when the sun's rays are most intense-between 10a.m. and 3p.m. during the summer months.In locations above 42 degrees north latitude(Chicago, Boston, and Portland, Oregon, for instance),vitamin D production does not occur from late October through early March.Even as far south as Atlanta (about 35 degrees north latitude), vitamin D production doesn't occur from November to February."
celt130 1 year ago
Dietary intake and nutritional status of young vegans and omnivores in Sweden1,2,3
Christel L Larsson and Gunnar K Johansson
1 From the Department of Food and Nutrition, Umeå University, Umeå, Sweden.
"Vegans had dietary intakes lower than the average requirements of riboflavin, vitamin B-12, vitamin D, calcium, and selenium. Intakes of calcium and selenium remained low even with the inclusion of dietary supplements"
celt130 1 year ago
"Dietary Intake of Vitamin D in Premenopausal, Healthy Vegans was Insufficient to Maintain Concentrations of Serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D and Intact Parathyroid Hormone Within Normal Ranges During the Winter in Finland
At northern latitudes, dietary intake of vitamin D in vegans was insufficient to maintain S-25(OH)D and S-iPTH concentrations within normal ranges in the winter, which seems to have negative effects on bone mineral density in the long run."
celt130 1 year ago
"Their study involved 245 Adventist ministers who were either lactoovovegetarians or vegans.The mean vitamin B12 level was 199 pmol/L and 73 per cent of the ministers had a level below the recommended lower limit of 221 pmol/L.Additional tests showed that the vitamin B12 deficiencies observed among lactoovovegetarians were due to dietary deficiencies rather than to malabsorption"
celt130 1 year ago
" Absorption of crystalline vitamin B12 does not decline with advancing age. However, compared with the younger population, absorption of protein-bound vitamin B12 is decreased in the elderly, owing to a high prevalence of atrophic gastritis in this age group. Atrophic gastritis results in a low acid-pepsin secretion by the gastric mucosa, which in turn results in a reduced release of free vitamin B12 from food proteins."
celt130 1 year ago
"In many parts of the world where people have little access to meat, they have run the risk of malnutrition, said Milton. This happened, for instance, in Southeast Asia where people relied heavily on a single plant food, polished rice, and developed the nutritional disease, beriberi. Closer to home, in the Southern United States, many people dependent largely on corn meal developed the nutritional disease, pellagra"
celt130 1 year ago
Buffered against nutritional deficiency by meat,human ancestors also could intensify their use of plant foods with toxic compounds such as cyanogenic,glycosides,foods other primates would have avoided.These compounds can produce deadly cyanide in the body,but are neutralized by methionine and cystine,sulfur-containing amino acids present in meat.Sufficient methionine is difficult to find in plants.Most domesticated grains contain this cyanogenic compound,most beans and widely-eaten root crops
celt130 1 year ago
"Without meat, said Milton,it's unlikely that proto humans could have secured enough energy and nutrition from the plants available in their African environment at that time to evolve into the active, sociable, intelligent creatures they became.Receding forests would have deprived them of the more nutritious leaves and fruits that forest-dwelling primates survive on,said Milton.
celt130 1 year ago
"Mean serum vitamin B12 was highest among omnivores (281, 95% CI: 270-292 pmol/l), intermediate among vegetarians (182, 95% CI: 175-189 pmol/l) and lowest among vegans (122, 95% CI: 117-127 pmol/l). In all, 52% of vegans, 7% of vegetarians and one omnivore were classified as vitamin B12 deficient (defined as serum vitamin B12 <118 pmol/l). There was no significant association between age or duration of adherence to a vegetarian or a vegan diet and serum vitamin B12"
celt130 1 year ago
Some vegans will try to make you believe the supplements they take are natural and are the same bacteria you can find in the intestins of herbivores.The products you find in there supplements are called "cyanocobalamin" and "methylcobalamine".As you can notice these names doesn't sound natural as they are 100% human creation and simply don't exist in nature.
celt130 2 years ago
Where now your industrially grown vegetables and fruit grows there was forests and wildlife.If we should eat less meat and use more pastures that would make a big difference.But we talked about large companies only interested by making money.That issue also concerns vegetables and fruit by the way where the use of fertilizer,pesticides and GM crops are also a big issue.You now understand why I am not impressed by your claims and hypocraty.
celt130 2 years ago
Let's talk about "factory farming".For the moment about 60% of the world population in living in urban areas and that number will rise.That means those people cannot sustain themselves and need to be fed every day.Large companies are controlling the food market,not only meat but fruit and vegetables are also concerned.What are those companies interested in?Making money at all costs.You think because you don't eat meat you are not part of that system?
celt130 2 years ago
It is mister Wacko for you,if we take a look at your study do you find a study on not even 5% of the world population relevant?This study is talking about the US but frankly we all know it is not a prime example when it's come to quality,variety and eating habits.If you would go to continental Europe you would find something else.We can all agree that eating 2/3 times meat a day is not very good but the fact is that moderate meat eating is not bad for your health even if you claim it.
celt130 2 years ago
Just one more thing to clear up, then I'm out of here. Earlier I said that pure carnivorous animals can get B12 from the gut contents of their prey: plant matter. I was trying to save characters. It should have said: soil bacteria in the plant matter. Hasta la vista, you vegan hating nut!
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
Yes. The intestines, the rumen, organs and the meat all contain b12. They have to eat this because the digestive system of a carnavoire cannot concentrate b12 in the same manner as a herbavoire. So they have to eat the guts... the extra stomach that containes the concentrated B12 in order to recieve enough of it.
Do you ge the picture now?
The only hater nut here is you.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
Dammit, quit causing me to have to reply. Your friend in this very video said carnivorous animals get B12 from the gut CONTENTS of they prey. His words not mine. And they can get B12 from the soil bacteria in the plant matter in the gut contents. You are not a carnivore. This has become nauseatingly repetitive: I take B12...it's the easiest thing in the world. All the artificial devices, including factory farming, to kill animals for food are far LESS natural, disgustingly cruel, & unnecessary.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
The CONCENTRATED b12 that is in the gut of herbavoires. Yes.
The meat and organs also contain b12. As well as milk and eggs.
Also, you chose to reply. I do not controll you.
Well, obviously... I do now. : )
Power over another is a wonderfull thing. I did not even have to hold you at gunpoint.
Congatulations on being weak.
I love messing with those obsessed types who MUST ALWAYS just get the last word in.
Take your prozac. I will help with that.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
You're the one that must get the last word in. Your calling me "weak" is quite funny. I'm a hell of a strong person. And what are you now, a drug dealer? Helping someone with Prozac? I don't take ANY medications, btw.
YOU are the weak one, obsessed with and so threatened by a small percentage of people, while you're in the complacent majority, comfortably and aggressively "normal." LOL!
Vegans will have the last laugh.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
Last laugh? Vegans?
Most vegans are not \worred about that. You however, are quite laughable. Your childish reactions, your lies, your obsession, your delusion. Your weakness.
I am not threatened by anything or anybody. This is more delusion on your part. I am not threatened by vegans. However, humanity in general are threatened by the lies spewed from the mouths of the likes of you. You are a stuck up arrogant piece of trash who thinks they are better than everybody else.
That's funny
Poseidon500 2 years ago
Also, this is a quite from you "Dammit, quit causing me to have to reply."
The fact that you let others controll you is proof of your weakness.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
Poseidon: Wow, you are hateful and delusional! Not to mention dishonest. If you must respond to this, please don't invade my inbox by replying...just make it a regular comment. Ordinarily, when you block someone it means you don't want to go on and on communicating with them. This discussion has been totally pointless.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
When have I displayed hatred?
How was I dishonest?
Yes I blocked you from my channel, yet you are the one who continues to respond with baseless insults and extreem immaturity.
Pointing out your mistakes and your flaws is not hatred pal. It's just the tuth. But we both know that you cannot handle the truth.
You have handled this situation with all the skill of a 14 year old shoolgirl who records soap operas in order to emulate the "vixens"
You are making me laugh. LOL
Poseidon500 2 years ago
Oh and repeating what I said to you as an insult is proof of uour stupidity.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
Even young, healthy, vitamin-taking meat-eaters may not be getting enough B12, according to Tufts University nutritionist Katherine Tucker, PhD.
A study published in 2000, also in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, showed that nearly 40% of 3,000 adults under age 50 had disturbingly low blood levels of vitamin B12.
Vegans are about 1% of the population. I get my B12 from micro-organisms and absorb it. What's "unnatural" is factory farming ("pharming") and slaughterhouses. Bye, whacko.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
If you are so sure about your ideas we can all suppose you are a scientist?Where can we read your essays exactly?I get my data coming from all sides and not from your "Weston Price Foundation".You can find a lot of scientist comming from all sorts of background saying what I present.Even serious vegan sites tell you this story.The vegan society wich is the oldest vegan organisation in the world accepts this facts but you know better?Grow up.
celt130 2 years ago
Name just one "lie."
With over 6 billion people, "growing animals" to feed them requires a lot of chemicals: antibiotics, growth hormones (estrogens), etc., along with sadistic abuse. And you are calling people's taking B12 supplements "unnatural." Wow, that is ludicrous! WHAT ABOUT MEAT EATERS' B12 DEFICIENCY? And NO, I am not remorseful about eating plants. They do not panic and try to escape when threatened. Certain cultures have begun to eat aborted babies. Is that a precious "liberty" too?
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
So we do no longer talk about my "dishonest" data as you find this data on the site of "The Vegan Society" the oldest Vegan organisation in the world.Normal that you wish to change to another subject.Sure some omnivores (not meat eaters)can have B12 deficiency simply because some livestock is fed with what you people eat.The truth is that you cannot be a healthy vegan without the knowledge and the big logistics machine of the modern world.You want to speak environment, go to my other video.
celt130 2 years ago
Lies enough "humans are not made to eat meat" or "our ancestors did not eat meat", that is where the B12 vitamin proves you scientifically wrong.The other lies you can find on my other material,be free to visit me there...
celt130 2 years ago
You are insane in your obsession with vegans. We are healthy; using & killing animals is not necessary, and it is WRONG. You ignored my valid points and gave crazy misinformation about what "livestock" eat and B12; that's too insane to reply to. Go ahead, get in the last word; I know that's important to you. Keep spreading misinformation to gullible people. Whoever chooses to believe you isn't someone we need as an ally anyways...too suggestible, weak-willed, and unreliable. You can have them.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
So you say basicly that people like "The vegan society" are fools?That they are not putting the right information?What kind of message are you giving to other vegans?You got kicked on the B12 issue and now you are pathetic.If you are not afraid to talk about the environment,let's talk.Otherwise Bye, bye. smart guy...And learn a very important lesson if you want to live with other humans,it's called tolerance to other people and ideas.When you get older maybe you will understand.
celt130 2 years ago
@celt130 ur a fucking jerk all we need is a multi-vitimain or b12 vitimain ok n we'll be healthy u only need b12 in MICROgrams n even if I stopped taking a supplement it would take at least 5 to 20 years 4 me to become ill ok
holylok 1 year ago
Insulting me me is not going to make you look smart, on the contrary. Ever thought about the fact if from birth you wouldn't take B12 or vitamin D, wich you also don't find in vegan diets, how long would you live?Is there an argument in your post?Because I don't see one.
celt130 1 year ago
@celt130 there was an argument it's that that peson u were arguing with has lived for 24 years! without any problems. also dan the man the liferegenerator u'll find him here on youtube has lived on fruits,veggies,nuts and seeds for 10 years n he feels great he has no problems so what ur preaching is anti-vegan bullshit
holylok 1 year ago
If I am preaching anti-vegan bullshit why don't you debunk me with data or scientific facts then?There are people living on a total meat diet already for 30 years amongst us, what does that prove?Inuits have lived for centuries with a 90%-99% meat-fish diet without having almost any heart diseases or cancers.Still anti-vegan bullshit?
celt130 1 year ago
@celt130 "There are people living on a total meat diet already for 30 years amongst us, what does that prove?Inuits have lived for centuries with a 90%-99% meat-fish diet without having almost any heart diseases or cancers" that didn't disprove my claim that veganisnm is ok. watch "Mimi Kirk - Sexiest Vegetarian"
holylok 1 year ago
YOU are trying to make the world better?How,by imposing your lies to verybody?You cannot accept simple scientific proof so how exactly is this making the world better?You are an extremist and an extremist is NEVER good for other people.That those ideas are political,etnical,religious or ethical you will always be a danger to liberty.The liberty we still have to be an omnivor.Plant matters you say,why do you eat them then without remorse and alive then?
celt130 2 years ago
Thank you for the video response.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
@poseidon500
You are so terribly ignorant. You blocked me because you're afraid of my truth, like you say about anyone who blocks you.
B12 is a microorganism in soil, not a product of meat. Vegans who supplement B12 are less likely to be deficient than are meat eaters who don't supplement. And that's the truth. Look up B12 deficiency in meat eaters. I'm vegan 24 years and extremely healthy. Making little B12 pills is way preferable to slaughterhouses.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
It is you who are very ignorant,you ignore science.Sure there is B12 in bacteria but you are not a ruminant who can absorb vegetal B12.Science proves you wrong so get over it.Your B12 pills proves that veganism is not a natural choice for your body,there has never been any people in the past totaly vegan.Only from the 1930/40 do healthy vegans exist because of science and the big logistic machine who brings your exotic food to your table.I am 45 omnivore and very healthy,so what about that?
celt130 2 years ago
You're an anti-vegan hysteric getting information from the Weston Price Foundation, a dishonest meat & dairy industry org. Their statement on B12 is false. All B12 is "vegetal." Even pure carnivores absorb "vegetal" B12. You say in your own video that carnivorous animals get B12 from the gut contents of their prey: plant matter. Stop being an anti-vegan activist. We're trying to make the world better. Again, B12 supplements are preferable to animal abuse. You ignored meat eaters' B12 deficiency.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
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Poseidon500 2 years ago
@ 1221solstice2012 ...actually, you are a delusaional dishonest liar about human biology and how we must naturally recieve our nutrients. It is nature that designed us this way, and that includes you as well. You cannot get enough B12 from vegatables no matte how much you wish it to be true. You do not have a digestive system that is designed to recieve B12 the way that natural herabavoires do. This is a natural biological and scientific fact.
Grow up.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
@celt130..... 1221solstice2012 "I'm vegan 24 years" celt130 all u have is ranting..... against some1 with 24! years of being a vegan there r countless vegan's n vegetarians like this. expierence is the biggiest proof of all. so veganism wins fool
holylok 1 year ago
I blocked you because I warned you about calling me a "Meat Eater" instead of calling me by my proper natural designation, which is a naturally omniverous human being. I warned you, you ignored it, and you got blocked.
You actually believe he lies that you have been fed. You are dangerous. You will one day either die, or will have to get B12 shots to survive.
Also, red meat containes a lot of b12.
Goodbye.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
If you are going to block someone, then don't reply to them. I take B12 supplements. You ignored the study about nearly 40% of meat eaters having dangerously low B12 in their blood. I've been vegan 24 years and have never had any health problems and am very energetic and active. B12 manufacture is WAY easier and more natural than "growing" animals in factory farms with all the pharmaceuticals that requires, and then there's the horrible slaughter. NO EXCUSE FOR ANY OF IT! Go away, vegan hater.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
What study? I am not interested in your fake propaganda.
I do not hate vegans. I do not hate anyone. I accept my physiology as nature designed it.
I am an omnivoire. That is a fact. I am not going to take an artificial supplement and deny my nature. I buy meat freerange and they do not recieve hormones and all that other bullshit.
You are the ONLY one being a hater here.
Also, I will respond wherever and whenever I please. You do not get to make the rules on this channel. Got it?
Poseidon500 2 years ago
I presume if you are into the ass to mouth thing you can maybe get your B12, are you into this?
celt130 2 years ago
Vegans do not eat insects do they, so what is your point?
celt130 2 years ago
Eating vegetables who are not properly washed is stupid.Specially if they come from a bio-garden.You can get your B12 from eating feces like the apes but is it really healthy?Your argument really stands on nothing and is wrong.A lot of seious vegan sites tell us that the human body can not absorb vegetal B12 but you seem to know better?
celt130 2 years ago
The B12 issue is interesting in understanding extreme vegan ideas.The 4 cornerstones of extreme vegan ideas are. 1.Humans are not made to eat meat. 2.We do not eat meat because animals have pain. 3. Eating meat is bad for the earth. 4. Meat is bad for your health.The B12 issue is targeting that first argument.What are your thought's about that issue?
celt130 2 years ago
You can get B12 from invisible bacteria and insects on fresh vegetables. You can also get B12 from having an oral sex. :)
tofurkeyrice 2 years ago
Yes as said you can get B12 from feces.This is an argument used by extreme vegans"that there is B12 on unwashed vegetables".It is a stupid argument simply because as a human it is very unwise to eat unwashed vegetables.Specially if they are bio products.You will get very sick.
celt130 2 years ago
even you wash vegetables, still can get rid of all the insects and bacteria, so you get B12 from fresh vegetables anyway.
tofurkeyrice 2 years ago
There is no usable b12 in plants. So there goes the whole argument. Eat meat like your build and adapted for.
mottdog2002 2 years ago
You are an advocate of veganism, so I can legally put a video response on the claims you make.Or am I wrong about your intentions?Posting videos on Youtube makes you an activist and people can reply to your ideas.Or do you not tolerate other ideas?
celt130 2 years ago
And what exact claims am I making about B12 in my "VEGAN YOUTUBERS" video? None.
I do discuss other ideas, but my video talks nothing about nutrition and you're posting about B12, find another video which encourages discussion on this topic so it will be useful, otherwise you're just spamming.
porolita22 2 years ago
Please post your video as a response to one that is relevant to the subject. Thanks.
porolita22 2 years ago
Just a note on B12 - fertilizer (sheep and cow manure) was/is used for planting crops and is an excellent source of B12. Unfortunately our produce is so vigorously cleaned it loses B12 as a reliable source. Best thing is a home garden where possible.
DianeDi 2 years ago
eating manure is not going to help your cause Diane
LierreKeithPwned 2 years ago
If you want to talk about pain go on my other video
celt130 2 years ago
When looking at all those videos made me curious about them.People who presents themselves as having the answer to all our problems by stopping meateating.Isn't that a reason to investigate about there claims?So I didn't only look at the facade of what they are saying but I entered the house.And I made some reasearch and discovered a lot of things.If people would have done the same with the Nazis we would have been better of.People who have all the answers are dangerous people.
celt130 2 years ago
You are claiming to have all the answers as well. You are an extremist in your own right-advocating the use of meataka dead animals, while i already proved very little b12 is needed-sikhs lived half vegan half vegetarian lifestyles. They werent dependent on animals period,.My qualm with you isn't that i disagree with b12 nor am i saying it's not used. it's the fact that vids like yours make it sound like it's a reason to kill and it's not. There are solutions but you never bring them up.
firelovelight 2 years ago
Everybody is an extremist including you,we all have our own background and ideas.The difference is we can have a conversation and eventually change our ideas.Why dont you tell us about your solutions?
celt130 2 years ago
Not bringing them up, is an extremist view. You focus entirely on discreding activists who are at LEAST trying to help the world, while u just make videos. It's not like they are nazis which you are comparing. Where are your factual vids on how factory farms are harming our environment and polluting our waters? It's easy to put down others ideas to help the earth, it's difficult to come to solutions. Your vids show one side, but never the other. why? b.c you support the consumption of meat..
firelovelight 2 years ago
I can survive on little b12. you said so yourself 15 years for it to be through my body. Eating b12 then doesn't need me to eat meat if so little is needed. Extremists who say none, may be wrong but taht doesn't mean they aren't on to something. Perhaps humans are living greedy lives and perhaps facts are that we are digging ourselves into a hole b.c factory farms are causing major harm. but you have no vids on facts about why extremists who love factory farms are wrong..why? b.c u like meat
firelovelight 2 years ago
I support the free choice of people.Extremists are the Yang and I am the Ying.Let the people decide what they want to believe or not.Check out my new video soon about that subject.
celt130 2 years ago
The 'Yin' is itself an extreme-one sided. Unless you debunk myths for the other side of the tracks, you too are the same. A vid you could try is on people who say vegetarians are ill and weak-debunk this myth, or ones like it..why not if your sole purpose is to bring facts. Here's a truths for you-I agree b12 is needed, however i wont justify the slaughter and cruelty of billions of animals lives for what i can obtain from a piece of cheese or glass of milk every few months.
firelovelight 2 years ago
Even Youtube is censoring me on my own videos, so you see what "ethics" can produce...
celt130 2 years ago
That's exactly why I put that disclaimer, I am not at war with vegans but with extremist who will use any lie our trick in the book to get there message on the web.Wait a little bit and you will maybe see some pointing there nose.On vegan reasonable vegan sites I read somewhere that vegetal B12 cannot be absorbed by the human body.These people are telling there lies in impunity for to long on the web, an answer was needed,sadly.
celt130 2 years ago
I replied to my own post by accident :P
Look at my reply below please :)
zombryn 2 years ago
I'm not an extremist or a vegan, unsure why you did this as a responce to my video-It is truthful about how animals are treated within factory farms, puppymills, and the circus. I don't even mention B12.
firelovelight 2 years ago
That is an ethical question, not a question based on the scientific proof you need B12 to survive.The oldest and most reliable source of B12 for humans are not feces but meat,fish,insects and that is a fact.
celt130 2 years ago
Here is fact : Early humans ate little to no meat, b.c we do not need much vitamin b12 to survive and it is accessible in eggs and other byproducts. Fact: Vegans and vegetarians are not living in a time period we need to use animals any longer. It is just our culture. Fact: To do the least amount of harm possible some may choose synthasized b12 if not byproducts. You trying to start a debate with extremists is a waste of good time that could be spent on facts that help us and our fellow creaturs
firelovelight 2 years ago
One last fact-you targeted my video-based on vegetarianism which uses animal byproducts-accepts b12. If you truly want to educate those extremists, you are targeting the wrong crowd.
firelovelight 2 years ago
Oh yeah, and another fact you may be intesrested in hearing. a whole culture in India with the religion Sikhism does not eat animals or eat eggs. It is against what their God teaches them. They are a thriving people and exist all over teh world now. My friend who is Sikh is quite healthy and alive-born not eating these things. You will have to excuse me if I think there's more facts out there that you aren't privy to. I think you have facts-just not all of them
firelovelight 2 years ago
You have also the religion "Jainism" where some factions dont eat plants who you need to take out of the ground because they believe you must not hurt living things.Religion is not based on science, it is based on personnel believes and religious dogmas and ethics.Does your friend eat fish?
celt130 2 years ago
Sihks do not eat animals-including fish period. The reason I bring it up is that it is an old culture where people surivived and STILL do. It means that ppl have lived and still do without an animal supply of b12 and without a scientifically manufactored one. It means taht you DON'T have all the facts, and are not spreading truths just HALF truths. Unless you are an EXPERT then yes, you are doing a disservice to ppl who are vege as well as gaining publicity to the extremists.
firelovelight 2 years ago
I checked the vegetarian Punjabi cuisine from where the Sikh's originated.They seem to use milk and cheese in there vegetarian recipies?I checked also the cuisine of the Jainism believers,a very strict religion on how to treat life in general.They drink milk but do not mix it with some other ingrediants or on certain days.I believe as opposed to extremists that there are several truth's on this planet.I dont ask people to believe me but to seek information on the subject and think for themselves
celt130 2 years ago
Indeed, milk is used, as it doesn't hav eto harm the animal. If you visit health food stores there are vegan cheeses avilable without rennet- no animal fats. Like I said, I'm not an extremist-but we need very little b12 to survive so killing isn't our only option.
firelovelight 2 years ago
Here we are going out of the video's subject,the subject is that you cannot live without B12 period.And that B12 is the most natural in meat,meatproducts,insects,fish for humans.Jainism and Sihk's are vegetarian not vegan wich proves the vegan lyvestyle was not sustainable in the old days before the big logistic machine who feeds us all today.Pain is another subject treated in another video.
celt130 2 years ago
Sikhism originated in India, most of the people were not wealthy and lived in poverty. The chances that sikh's owned a cow or sheep or had access to milk and cheese in great quantities back in the olden days is very slim.
firelovelight 2 years ago
but again i wil state i'm all for b12 access. I'm not vegan, tho i support vegetarians all the way. However, what makes your vids unlike extremists? you are for one opinion, you speak your opinions on others-like myself-by tagging my vid, instead of just replying to the ppl you target...How arent you shoving your beliefs on other ppl like they do? the moment you advertise to ppl who dont believe the same as u
firelovelight 2 years ago
What I mean by having whole truths is that I can find scholarly journal articles supporting one beliefs with facts to back it up and in the same breath find a journal article with facts contrdicting the previous one. Facts are still a slippery slop based on a perception you take. If you want to go up against a person's belief system you at least need to understand that not every person is going to agree with you and it doesn't make them any less 'learned' I am not your opponent anyhow.
firelovelight 2 years ago
so based on my knowledge of sikh's I do have to suggest that some ppl may have ancestors that were vegans and lived happily as them and still do. Facts are a slippery slope.
firelovelight 2 years ago
I'm sorry but omnivore is in your video...I think you meant herbavore. Your facts need to be examined..i'm sorry if you aren't credible either.
firelovelight 2 years ago
I am exposing things a lot of people dont know, period.If exposing things based on science is bad I can only disagrea with you and the extremists.Some people took that change a long time ago and that got us out the Middle ages and brought us "Renaisance".The truth hurts a specialy to extremists that is a fact.I am for your own freedom of choice based on your own ethics,not on dictorship imposed by extremists even if it is based on religion,politics or ethical questions.
celt130 2 years ago
Your vids are extreme as well. It holds one, biased belief based on a fact that is only part of the whole truth-There can be many windows of opportunity and truths. I proved that to you by showing you a culture that does not rely on your science to survive and is not sick or dying. You can't ignore facts if you are supposedly into them.If you were open minded to the fact that there are many ways to live perhaps i'd think different. Considerin I'm not disagreeing that b12 is needed and helpful.
firelovelight 2 years ago
ps- your video holds no sources how valuabl is your opinion if you are not an expert in th ematter (phd) or have no sources of where you gather the info so others can asses if the 'facts' are even coming from a reliable source and just not some site anyone can create or one that is biased. If you want to make both extremists and all ppl who live this lifestyle look stupid or ignorent, you'll hav eto deal with posts like this. B.c yes, these vids challenge a lifestyle, period.
firelovelight 2 years ago
You're more spot on with this video. A lot of vegans will come out with silly things like that and it's due to lack of research or their mindset.
B12 is also found in yeast extract, certain nuts, soy and there are some more that have skipped my mind.
I know you said that this isn't meant to be an attack but you're making a very strong negative stereotype about vegans. Get to know some first then make a video.
zombryn 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply and I know you're not against us, like I said in my reply on the other video I just can't believe that some vegans think/act like this. I've never seen any evidence of it. If you could link me to some sites/videos where vegans have these strange opinions and views then that'd be great! :)
zombryn 2 years ago
Meh, there are tons of facts that would prove this video wrong. I've spent a lot of time studying anthropology and early humans survived mostly on vegetables and grains until the ice age when we were forced to adapt. The 'facts' on this vid are probably pointing at cultures in icy areas-inuit. Hardly speaks for humanity as a whole. b12 is accessible in other sources. I'm hardly an extremist or a vegan, but any vid can be biased even when using facts. History books are a lot like this as well.
firelovelight 2 years ago
There is not much b12 a human actually needs. Early humansate little meat&-weare speaking of one fish between a group of ppl every few weeks. If a meat eater quit right now, they would more than likely have enough b12 in their system to be recycled for 20 years .we synthesize b12there's no need to continue our cruelty.but our culture isn't after nutrition anymore. We are hardly the 'natural' meateaters this vid isweconsume too much, greedy, and it turned into to cruelty that never used to exist.
firelovelight 2 years ago
That is what I said that you get sick after a long time.But if you NEVER eat B12 and only eat vegan stuff from your birth you will die quickly in a survival situation as did our ancestrors lived in.
celt130 2 years ago
sorry Zombryn hun, I'm only replying with you, as you seem reasonable to discuss this with and may even understand where I am coming from. I'm not even a vegan, I get my b12 from eggs. ;) I'm not saying this vids wrong either, just that there's many angles to look at a situation like this. I like to look at what is greater good? argueing about how to get b12? or educating ppl on how to live healthy lives- none dependent on processed, junk, or fast foods. ;)
firelovelight 2 years ago
It's alright, I completely agree with what you're saying and don't deny any of it.
And you are exactly right on educating people about how to eat better and healthier. Not only am I a vegan because of the animal rights side of things but I also don't see the point in completely destroying my body to the point where it'll knock 10 or so years off my life.
zombryn 2 years ago
English is not my mother language so I can make mistakes.On the other side I speak 4 languages and write and read 3. How about you?
celt130 2 years ago
If you are going to make a video like this at least spell "omnivore" correctly.
VibrantVegan 2 years ago
Way to point out that facts. Great job.
MnDeerHunter09 2 years ago
As always, this video based on scientific facts and data, not on lies or ignorance.
celt130 2 years ago