Liberal Fascism (3) - Jonah Goldberg ** UNEDITED **

[heartfire451]

Most of the leftists I've ever seen are very violent. If you decline to turn in your guns, refuse to pay to support their socialist public school system, actually think your land is your own and refuse their dumb little zoning laws, if you refuse to support their welfare state, the liberals will send armed men to your door to arrest and you and if you don't submit, they will kill you. Lefties are extremely fascistic. It is an integral part of their nature.

[ProNorden]

@jaasau, @freemarketrapesyou, @protege385, @happosai27, @politicimo, @pittland44,

Nationalism is not synonymous with socialism as suggested at 06:15. Nationalism can and should have both a regulated market economy and a thriving commons within a Constitutional Democratic Republic.

Any 'coercive socialism' is unethical. And it's almost always the Leftists who organize 'thug groups'('brown shirts/ UAF') to disrupt or push-around dissenting speakers, demonstrations, etc.

Ask Ward Connerly.

[Jaasau]

Brilliant.

[pittland44]

Who is Eric Vergalin? Vergallun? I would like to read his writings.

[FreeMarketRapesYou]

"liberal fascism" is a contradiction in terms.

the real fascists are the conservatives.

TylerNull, you are a world-class asshole, my dear racist "cupcake."

[TylerNull]

@FreeMoron

"... a contradiction in terms" -- tell that to the Liberal who coined the term to describe modern Liberalism.

"the real fascists ..." claim freedom "rapes you"; forcibly wed industry to gov't, like Fannie Mae; set wages & nationalize industry; expand gov't into every facet of human existence. All that is so very Liberal.

"racist" -- Liberal racists SKYROCKET to the TOP, and only because Liberals reward their racists. Like Obama's regime, e.g., his racist Sonia "La Raza" Sotomayor.

[molotov8904]

@TylerNull but still nonetheless why do you deny socialism would be good if it worked? whether in reality the manifestation of socialism always ends in tyranny is irrelevant, would you not like socialism if in some ideal world it worked?

[TylerNull]

@molotov8904

". . . but still nonetheless . . . if it worked"

Gouging your eyes out "would be good" . . . IF . . . "it worked".

Seriously, give reality a chance.

[Protege385]

@FreeMarketRapesYou There is nothing fascist about free markets, individualism, and weak central government. Go grab a dictionary and check out the definition of fascism.

[happosai27]

the guy keeps talking about nazis all the time but not about the leftists and where the modern liberalism is coming from. kind of missing the point of identifying the cancer in the host

[Politicimo]

I'm currently reading Goldberg's book, and LOVING it! It's VERY interesting and extremely well-documented. He's absolutely right that there's been a swindle to polarize communism and fascism. I experienced this in a "world issues" class in high school, where communism was classified on the far left while fascism was classified on the far right.

If I only knew at the time!

[goPistons06]

anyone who calls himself a socialist should watch this.

[Dadutta]

in 2:41 he mentions an influence on himself, "eric vergallan" or something - can anyone make this out??

[jeffsech]

@Dadutta

Dadutta, I'm pretty sure he's referring to Eric Voegelin. See Wiki, etc.

[Dadutta]

THANK YOU :)

[MascisMan1]

Jonah Goldberg is great

[NEWYORKLIBRE]

GREAT

[mrekbass]

TylerNull is a faggot!

[Aeon135]

throughout this argument he does not realize that socialism does not mean state control it means common ownership, for example, take..social anarchism, i am a socialist anarchist. sounds like a contradiction? nope. he says a socialists are basically fascists but if theres noe thing i am not it is fasist, and yet at the same time im socialists, he is making the classic mistake of saying socialism is state control of everything, but it's not, thats not the definition, its common control. good vid

[TylerNull]

common = state

[ToddAldrich]

Exactly.

[Pankakeface2]

Anarchism does not work. Someone allways fills the vaccuum of anarchy and fills it with some other government, usually malicious. So, anarchy can not work because people have to have communication and they have to have law, otherwise nothing happens, it's just a couple shepherds or something. Anarchy is both unfeasable and impossible.

[Hesperell]

That sounds like Robert de Boron in Baudolino, speaking of the literal vacuum.

[shatwood]

what you do not realize is that to initiate common ownership, there must be something that controls ownership so as to distribute it. What controls ownership is the STATE.

[pittland44]

@Aeon135 Two points:

1) His argument is that all fascists were socialists, but that there are other kinds of socialists, such as communists and syndicalists.

2) If you ever read the great tracts of both the communists and the fascists, they had anarchistic streaks a mile wide.

[BeachWheel]

QUOTE: "soicalist misery is unparalleled."

But the leaders of so called communist regimes like Stalin and Moa were not working with the original ideas of communism laid down by Marx and other original socialist thinkers but with their own ideas and their own interpretations of socialism.

Can't you see that these regimes were not even attempting to follow true socialism only their own made up versions of it.

[TylerNull]

Again, for the THIRD post, you regress to the "true socialism" mantra.

You're still avoiding the point. There's always a difference between an ideal and a manifestation of that ideal.

Oddly, you have no problem complaining vapidly about capitalism, while ignoring the differences between the ideals and manifestations thereof, yet you stick with the exact opposite to absolve socialism of its murderous, merciless history.

Thus, even within the contrivance of your own mantra you fail.

[quuaa1]

You've got patience

[TylerNull]

:-)

[aurelius259]

@TylerNull I finally got the chance to read the book Liberal Fascism, great book it also had alot of stuff i already knew. It amazes me people say that Marx and other original socialist thinker did not intend for it to be what it is, but when you look at their history that is exactly how they intended it.

[pittland44]

@aurelius259 Great Point. Marx himself argued for the revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat. Both those events would require violence against any who did not wish to follow the marxist path, hence the blood bath.

[dragknuckle]

Communism has been tried in 40 nations, and always led to tyranny. The experiment has always failed.

It is inevitable that if you concentrate all of your power in the hands of a few, you will have tyranny.

[thoth81]

@dragknuckle Indeed, whether those hands belong to monarchy, nobility, the ultra-wealthy, or elected politicians. So far the only defense against this occurring seems to be maximizing personal liberties and freedoms as much as possible while enabling self-governance.

[dragknuckle]

Are you familiar witht he "No True Scotsman" fallacy?

[goPistons06]

@BeachWheel the soviet union and maoist china followed all the points of the 10 point program established in the communist manifesto. to me that's socialist enough. besides, many economists( like von Hayek) argue that even if socialism is originally democratic, it will inevitably lead to dangerous cosequences if it is originally Marxist.

[rmboyd76]

You can try to draw connections between these regimes and the American left. The left has its troubling track record: political correctness, which stifles though; the welfare state, which squanders wealth and human potential; turning a blind eye to illegal immigration, thus putting a tremendous strain on our states, health care, and education system.

[BeachWheel]

People were not murdered in the name of socialism! The regimes that existed in eastern Europe and China were not socialist because they were not democratic.

Real socialism means the democratic control of the means of production by workers councils and a system of production for need not profit. The speaker here is an idiot who knows little about what real communism is. His statement that fascism is communism is rubbish as fascism is not democratic or for production for need not profit.

[TylerNull]

"in the name of " -- mass murderers don't usually make public announcements when they exterminate their own innocent citizens by the truck-load, so what? The absence of official statements thereof does NOT absolve socialists of their rich history of human extermination programs.

"Real socialism" -- the fantasy that exists only in the minds of devout socialists isn't "real" socialism.

Beyond that, your socialist theology is just plain rancid. Proselytizing it anew doesn't make it less so.

[BeachWheel]

QUOTE: "Real socialism" -- the fantasy that exists only in the minds of devout socialists isn't "real" socialism."

Real socialism is socialism. it is the democratic control of the means of production for need not profit. There has never been a real socialist regime anywhere in the world.

If a regime calls itself socialist but it not democratic and does not have production for need not profit then it is not socialist.

[TylerNull]

There is nothing "real" about your fantasy.

There is a difference between reciting a dictionary definition and observing the historical record. One is an idea and the other is manifested reality. Your game can be played with any word -- pedophilia (child love).

At the core of your posts is a hope that you can insulate socialism from its gory outcomes; from its inevitable failures. Thus, your purpose is to deny reality. Don't.

[BeachWheel]

I am not reciting a dictionary definition I am reciting the definition of socialism as defined by socialist parties. The guy is the video is just a neo-conservative supporter of capitalism who wants people to think there is no alternative to the misery of capitalism and wage slavery.

[TylerNull]

You're avoiding my point.

There's a difference between an idea and its manifestation. When the idea is one regarding the dynamics of large numbers of people, that difference is always going to be significant.

Socialist misery is unparalleled. The reason you keep trying to absolve socialism of its own record is because you are keenly aware of that.

[rmboyd76]

The way they ran their societies had elements of textbook socialism, but that wasn't the point.

The point wasn't to bring socialism to their countries. The point was to hold onto power with an iron fist and they did it with some of the greatest ruthlessness in human history.

[rmboyd76]

The original point I wanted to make was that Goldberg lays out a strong foundation for part of his argument--that totalitarian movements of the 20th century had a great deal in common. It is very intriguing to flip around the accepted notion that left=communist/socialist, right= fascist.

He spent a great deal of time laying this out and then in two sentences mentions the murder of 150 million people without context.

[rmboyd76]

You can make the argument that the gulag system, artificial famines, the show trials, the purges, the cultural revolution, labor camps, reeducation camps and on and on are all part and parcel with socialism, that this is what socialism truly amounts to.

My argument is that Stalin and Mao were old wine in new bottles. Their goals, as I stated, were maintaining their power and turning their states into economic and military superpowers.

[lollygager3664]

So, do you think that we could ever make "new wine" for the "new bottles"?

[rmboyd76]

Goldberg begins his discussion recounting the numerous times he has been called a fascist, a Brown Shirt, and a Nazi.

The video's poster then labels someone a socialist after reading one paragraph of their writing.

[TylerNull]

And civilized man labels someone a murderer after reading one verdict. Now, what is the point of your complaint(s)?

Socialists are always trying to distract from the point. Above, by complaining specifically about the ease with which one identified their political bent, and about another (Goldberg) who observes that socialists keep smearing their murderous history on those who notice it.

[rmboyd76]

The author is on shaky ground when he claims that socialism is responsible for the deaths of 150 million in the Soviet Union and Mao's China. Socialism is based on flawed theories that don't take into account human nature. Stalin and Mao were ruthless dictators who shared two goals: maintaining power and turning their countries into military and economic superpowers. They did this through appalling repression, brutality, and mass murder. They did not care a whit for socialism.

[TylerNull]

It's amusing to chronicle socialists attempting to absolve socialism of its own history.

That socialists "don't care a whit for socialism" is news only to devout socialists. History shows It's only everyone ELSE whom socialists would have subsist under the inviable mandates of socialists --- never themselves.

[lardman10]

Right wing propaganda to their push their idiology from just being one's personal choice to be instituted into law.

The simple fact of the matter is when the bush administration was participating in illegal wire taps all the right wingers were all for it.

you right wingers are all for torture and the patriot act, which allows the government to throw anybody it wants into jail as long as it wants.

I like how i hear concervitives say that they are the one's who are all for civil liberties.

[TylerNull]

Fairness Doctrine -- fascist policy implemented by Democrats for the purpose of shutting down dissent.

Hate Speech laws -- fascist federal and state laws used to destroy peoples lives for off handed comments.

Criminalizing speech is the Democrat's happy place.

Your treasonous politics aren't well masked by your silly mantra of "illegal war".

Democrats are advocating for al Quida (al Haramain) in their law suit against US telecoms companies who assisted the FBI track the emeny after 9/11.

[asderathos]

Any complete Communist Equality must be dictated by some that are deemed

more equal thereby creating a fascist dictatorship defeating the morally lofty goals of total equality immediately.

[novanine9]

No it's not that modern liberals are denial of humanity's darker aspects. It's that they SEE humanity as such. Evil ideas are projected by evil mindsets - the whole "I'm the moon reflecting on water" Buddhist THING. Comes down to whether you believe that people are inherently good (capitalism) or evil (Socialims) & MUST BE CONTROLLED AND/OR ERRADICATED

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Jonah Goldberg, Mark Steyn, and Dennis Prager are my heros.

[fiercegallantry]

Goldberg is great. This book will be remembered for decades to come.

[blacklocust]

the natural progression of socialism leads to fascism, as they take away from the rich and give to the poor, as they make the majority into a minority, and tear away at the rights of the family to raise their children as they see fit. Socialism is fascism, Liberalism is Socialism, read it understand it, the National Socialist Party Nazi, is Liberalism in its current infancy. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

[Thunderwavia]

Canada is a test case for this. The Liberal party and their historic hero Pierre Elliot Trudeau will be known as the start of the offensive by the Socialist Fascist movement in Canada.

[DrCruel]

@blacklocust But Marxists are hypocritical. They do not take the wealth from producers and give it to the poor and unprivileged - far from it. Instead the Marxist Party takes the wealth of the country and distributes it amongst their members. The poor are enslaved and put to work (and die if they cannot be profitably productive). The modern Marxist fascists of Vietnam and the PRC are partricularly keen to exploit the labor of the poor for profit, paying as little as possible for it.

[longinusmaximus]

i think socialism becomes fascism when the government starts interfering with our personal lives, such as the right to smoke tabacco and drink alcohol, the right to worship whatever gods you want, the right to freedom of speech ect. or when a socialist government starts advocating offensive wars or the extermination of other races. capitalism can become fascistic too when they start attacking peoples personal liberties. so capitalists like goldberg shouldn't label all socialists as fascists.

[hypermonkey26]

socialism is interference in personal lifes.

[longinusmaximus]

socialism is primarily an economic system. it has nothing to say about war, genocide or personal freedoms. you can be a socialist and be in favour of peace, racial tolerance, and personal freedoms, or you can be a socialist and be in favour of war, genocide and social restrictions. you could be a capitalist and a nazi, or a capitalist and a multiculturalist. let's not confuse social policies with economic policies.theirs a big difference between mussolini's socialism and denis kunich's socialism

[durco01]

Brez you forgot fascist too. Don't forget that!

[456run]

here is a brilliant man with a strong sense of history and how socialist policies can result in millions of deaths...

[l1011l]

this guy rocks

[AestheticizeAnalog]

Sorel came up with the noble lie? That idea goes back to Plato.

[overmind25]

95 million in the USSR? Sounds too high to me. I thought the highest was 50 million. Does anyone know where I can find this information?

[BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot]

His estimates on deaths from "communism" are highly exaggerated. Even all of the unnatural deaths in the USSR ever wouldn't be 95 million--and this would include deaths resulting from the Russian Civil War and World War Two, which could not reasonably be attributed in entirety to "communism". 20-30 million is more accurate and the upper threshold is around 50 million.

I'll never understand why right-wingers make up numbers on this issue when the real numbers are already so large...

[sunstorm007]

Yeah, you're right, what an idiot. Making a moral equivalence of killing 95 million with 20 million shows an utter lack of understanding. After all, 95 million is almost 5 times more people than 20 million. Even a total nincompoop can see that killing 5times more people is 5 times more evil.

I'm sure the poor bastards in the Gulag were thankful that the Stalinist regime was not 5 times as evil as it really was. What a blessing.

[BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot]

Really? I thought murder is murder and genocide is genocide. Thanks for those brilliant insights on degrees of evil, sunstorm007!

Do you recommend that the courts punish double homicide twice as harshly as homicide, too?

Jonah Goldberg and his right-wing buddies are still either liars or idiots for using unreasonable made-up numbers killed by "communism"...

[sunstorm007]

I'm going to approach you Brezhnevls with a fair amount of optimism and with high hopes that you can understand my advice.

Go get a dictionary right now. Look up the word Sarcasm and read the definition. After you read the definition you will then obtain the "Magic Glasses of Understanding."

Now read my former comment with the "Magic Glasses of Understanding" and the message will at once become clear.

[BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot]

My apologies for the knee-jerk response, sunstorm. So many people here on YouTube (and especially videos like this one) are unfamiliar with sarcasm that I've just come to assume that it doesn't happen anymore in this realm...

[sunstorm007]

Hehe LOL No problem

[berkin1014]

Does Jonah Goldberg publicly speak at unversities and colleges? He needs to give this presentation to our youth.

[Barbedwiremeshsocks]

"Capitalism is beyond criticism" seems to be the only thing worth reading of joshsowords, and yet, he (I'm assuming this person is male) doesn't defend it, or attempt to show how Jonah Goldberg is wrong.  Is the ellipsis at the end of your comment to build up anticipation of you actually making a comment that pertains to the discussion?

[joshsowords]

The discussion? I'll post whatever comments I see fit, I shouldn't be surprised you liked to look at this 'discussion' (as Goldberg or youtube comments inspire insightful discourse) through a narrow lense. Or maybe it was the ellipsis at end of my previous comment were I began to fall apart huh? Sad place to your hang your hat, you hack.

[Barbedwiremeshsocks]

I didn't give my perspective on Goldberg; I simply pointed out that you didn't actually supply any argument, or even much of a point. The rest of your post didn't make much sense.

[joshsowords]

I pointed the fact that Golberg has a superficial interpretation of Marx and the left. Then pointed to how absurb his logic would be when applied to democracy. I know your pro star in spelling bees, but you need to work on reading comprehension. Are you about up to speed yet?

[Barbedwiremeshsocks]

Oh, and just so you know, inbreed is a verb. You probably meant to write, "American inbreds [noun]," which is not only an incomplete sentence, but has little basis in reality. America, if we're talking about the United States, is a nation of mutts. We're quite possibly the least inbred (adjective) nation in the world. Now, if you want to call us American mutts, then, you might have a working slur.

[joshsowords]

Pointing out a typo? (Appluases)... yet for obssesion with proper syntax, you still can't read context. Inbreds American in their shallow 'market place of ideas' not in actual practice. Some people just can't recognize the constraints of western hegemony, let alone system that cannot sustain itself long term. But nation of proud americans like yourself, with excellent grammatic structure in their internet comments will be able to save them themselves. Remember, today's empire tommorow's ashes.

[sunstorm007]

Are you criticizing the Market Capitalism or Hegemony? Hegemony is an International construct between political bodies through the utilization of duress.

Market Capitalism is a construct between individuals through the utilization of trade.

These are two mutually exclusive concepts.

Which system are you saying won't last long term?

[joshsowords]

Hegemony is ideological dominance that is cultural and non-military. It is how dominant groups (the hegemon) maintains consent. Western hegemony is a form of cultural imperialism that is interwoven with market capitalism (manufacturing consent of bourgeois values).

These terms are many things, but not mutually exclusive.

[sunstorm007]

Using the word "dominate" is an inappropriate emphasis, and certainly "cultural Imperialism" is, with regards to economics. Hegemony is innately political because only force or the threat of the use of force can constitute hegemony. Gramsci was being oxy moronic.

Take a concept as pervasive as humans rights. It's like saying "look at the cultural imperialistic paradigm of human rights."

It makes no sense to call an idea imperialism just because it is adopted by numerous societies.

[joshsowords]

Hegemony is about establishing dominance of an ideology, its entirely appropriate. Western hegemony is concerned with reproducing western values (which are capitalist) in foreign markets.

Lets take a realistic look at the concept of human rights. Is the motivation for the war in Iraq about establishing human rights or opening up foreign markets for exploitation? It may be both, but which motivation is given priority (rhetorical question, btw)

WESTERN hegemony is very much concerned with hegmy

[sunstorm007]

Yes, it can be be true that you can try to forcefully establish capitalism as an ideology, but it still takes a Political and most likely a military apparatus to do so. What I am trying to discern is whether you are speaking about a situation like Iraq, or a situation like India. India may be influenced by British colonialism but they attempted Maoism (post British) and now they have determined to become capitalist themselves.

[nakedBison]

Jonah Goldberg is so smart and has such a great sense of humor. too bad he is not really Jewish! President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[joshsowords]

Oh, and if Hilter's fascism was the lesser evil, should American have allied with Germany in WWII for a united front against the USSR?

[nakedBison]

it is absurd to debate whether adolf shitler, joseph stalin, mao tze tung, or pol pot was the most evil man in all of human history. the truth is, all four were so evil, that all such comparisons are inconsequential. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[joshsowords]

Actually the orginal nobel lie was found in the Republic written by some guy named Plato. This a very superficial intrepretation of Marx. Marx, Trostsky and Stalin are not interchangeable. Calling socialism worst than fascism based on a body count? Are you kidding me? How many people have died defending democracy? So is democracy bad? Here is a better question, how many people are dying and stuck in miserable conditions because of the dynamics of captilism (fyi, the world is bigger than the G8).

[ThunderAppeal]

I like my chances being stuck in the so-called miserable conditions of capitalism.They are better than the utopian but unattainable life perpetuated by the socialists or nazis.

[joshsowords]

I love the hacks of youtube that have never seen a shade of grey in their life time. Capitalism is beyond criticism. American inbreeds...

[nakedBison]

according to islamic law, if one's father is moslem, one is moslem forever. barack hussein osama obama had not just one, but two islamofascist fathers. he also attended islamofascist schools in indonesia for many years as a child. barack hussein osama obama is an islamofascist who is using his superior speaking skills to destroy America. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[wittumy]

Disgracefull!!!!! Who controls the media? You might just look up the ownership of the so called liberal media. McCarthy was an evil man...shame on you all.

[nakedBison]

wittumy is an evil man. shame on wittumy. according to islamic law, if one's father is moslem, one is moslem forever. barack hussein osama obama had not just one, but two islamofascist fathers. he also attended islamofascist schools in indonesia for many years as a child. barack hussein osama obama is an islamofascist who is using his superior speaking skills to destroy America. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[wittumy]

Naked...no I'm not an evil man...I'm a proud American. I question the judgement of someone like you who condones their presidents descision to allow bin laden to escape and then calling him insignificant. I'd have to question why you back an administration who gave false information to the world in order to justify our countrys' first pre-emptive war. I'd have to question why you support a man who's taken a cowards stance against terrorism. Great president? Hardly.

[nakedBison]

wittumy gives false information to this youTube forum in order to justify his irrational hatred of our great President Bush. wittumy attacks President Bush for fighting the islamofascists in almost the same breath that he attacks President Bush for being too much of a coward to fight the islamofascists. wittumy is hardly a person with a working brain.  President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[wittumy]

False information naked? What falsee info would that be? As I've said..President Reagan..the only American President to deal with terrorists...sekking them arms. I hate Bush for good reason...he's disgraced this country by lying to the world about proof of Iraqs' emminant threat, taking his eye off the terrorist group that was responsible for 9/11 (do you fu..ing remember that?) and pissing on American values. Yeah great president naked.

[wittumy]

Naked...I meant Reagan "selling" Iran arms not sekking as I wrote...bad typing.

[nakedBison]

wittumy engages in sekking all day long. sekk, sekk, sekk, that is all wittumy does. naturally a freedom-hating, America-hating leftist like wittumy objected to the contras, who started the whole revolution against communism thanks to the late great President Reagan. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[wittumy]

Gee naked, I not once said I hate freedom and I never called the Contras terrorists dumbass liar. The terrorists were the Iranian government who took Americans hostage of course.

[nakedBison]

wittumy used to work for ayatoilet khomeini. now wittumy has switched to working for his gay butt buddy, osama bin ladden. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[nakedBison]

wittumy has false information, calling the freedom-loving contras terrorists. that is because wittumy is a typical, America-hating leftist liberal lunatic. box cutters are all the WMD's the isalmofascists need to murder 3,000 innocent Americans. wittumy does not regard the islamofascists as an imminent threat because wittumy wants them to destroy America and murder all Jews. wittmy fucking remembers nothing, fucking pissing on American values. George Bush is a great President.

McCain '08!

[wittumy]

Gee naked it's you who's the pussy. You get attacked by bin laden and you don't have the balls to go after him. Naked you are the ones who've done everything bin laden could have hoped for...hitting us financially, making us change our values, all while he is free...you are his bitch. Oh I forgot bin laden is "insignificant" to you assholes.

[nakedBison]

wittumy is a pussy without balls. in other words, wittumy is a vagina, probably one of those old ugly ones that have been used too much and have a whole lot of hair on it. wittumy has been sent by his gay butt buddy, osama bin ladden, to destroy America and murder all Jews. wittumy is osama bin ladden's bitch. wittmy is an insignificant asshole. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[wittumy]

As I've said before...what false information...or is that too much to ask of you naked. Why are you arming and training islamofascists naked? Why did your hero arm and train bin laden?

[nakedBison]

wittumy has too much false information. osama bin ladden is arming and training wittumy to be an islamofascist terrorist. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[wittumy]

Yeah naked the only president who dealt with terrorists you find to be great.

[nakedBison]

wittumy the typical, America-hating leftist hates it that President Bush has fought the islamofascist terrorists. that is because wittumy wants America destroyed and all Jews murdered. President Bush is our greatest President since the late great President Reagan. Ralph Nader

McCain '08!

[paleoroundtable]

Thank you Jonah. You are right on track.

[bnprenaissance]

fantastic...we all know why gulag is an unknown word.

Because of the people who control the media.

[TylerNull]

Yes, and the people who kicked McCarthy's ass control the media, which is why "American Communist" is another term not often heard.

[wittumy]

I'm certainly proud to support the destruction of McCarthy. You extremists tyler spread lies, hate and more lies. America and communism do not go together no matter how many times you say it to yourself. Your type...the radical right wing extremists have cost this country dearly with your dealings with bin laden and Saddam and many other swarmy "friends" you deal with. We Americans will keep a close eye on you who piss on America.

[TylerNull]

Of course you're proud; an immense network of Soviet spies infested the Democrat admin's of FDR & Truman.

"

Professors of Denial

Ignoring the truth about American Communists.

"five groups of agents ...The first was "Karl's Group."... includes Alger Hiss (code-named "Leonard"), Donald Hiss (code-named "Junior"), Henry Wadleigh, Frank Reno, William Pigman, Joseph Peters, Harry Dexter White, Felix Inslerman, ...

"-- discoverthenetworks . org

Say hi to Julius & Ethel Rosenberg for me.

[nakedBison]

wittumy is proud to support osama bin ladden's efforts to destroy America. wittumy the tyler extremist spreads lies, hate, and more lies. wittumy has a peculiar fascination with President John Tyler. wittumy the communist does not go together with America no matter how many times he says it to himself. swarmy wittumy is a radical, left-wing extremist who has costed this country dearly with his gay relationship with his butt buddy, osama bin ladden. wittumy pisses on America

McCain '08!