I'm pretty sure you have to jump through a shitload of hoops in order to be able to use this legally. If you install attachments on a handgun including a butt stock of any kind I think it changes the weapon class, and you have to submit some kind of request form to modify a firearm. Not to mention having to have a license for certain classes of weapons. The laws are retarded on it, i looked into it briefly before i saw what a pain it was.
@hzuiel And forget about it if you want to put a damn fore grip. My dad's 45 had a little to much kick for me when i was ten, and I nearly got him arrested when i brought my fore grip from and airsoft gun and put it on the rail :/
I love the dude shooting the Glock. People think "tactical" means as fucking fast as you can go, jerking as much as possible. Dude looked totally stiff and rigid.
Just for reference to those making MP5 comparisons. A Glock 17 has a 114mm barrel, an MP5K PDW has a 115mm barrel. Since this is likely the MP5 variant people would use in the role this is intended for, and not a 225mm or 146mm barrel version, that 1mm of extra barrel length the MP5 has will mean exactly 0 extra velocity. The MP5 is a far nicer weapon for most uses, but let's not mistake it for a more powerful weapon, just a more ergonomic one.
Keep in mind to get one of these you'll have to register it with the ATF as an NFA gun (short barreled rifle) that'll cost you about $200, and 3 months of waiting
@kb1ibh Well actually, it's not illegal to own one, it become's illegal if it's on your weapon. I can own a 11" 12GA shotgun barrel as long as it's not on my weapon, but if I put it on my weapon it become's a federal crime.
@specops1991 Wrong. The Navy Still uses the SIg Sauer 226 as their Special Operations weapon. They wouldnt use it if Glock stood up the same. Dont be an idiot fanboy. Glock may be the best Law Enforcement light use firearm you can buy, it is not the best combat firearm made by any stretch. I bet you are also one of those smart fellas that thing the M4 is better as a piston.
@TVFSteve Youre the one who said the Seals adopted the HK, then just now cam and said :Wrong, they still use the p226" Then you yelled at him for saying it? Dude get your shit straight. Also if these are so useless, why did Sig Sauer start making them, and have contracted them multiple law enforcement agencies?
@TVFSteve Also when he said "combat record" Im assuming he meant you know...combat? The Seals arent the only group that counts as a "combat unit" The USAF uses glocks, as do many other military's. IDK why you keep going back to the seals, He said "combat record" not "US Navy SEAL" record.
@The3rdID The USAF Combat Controllers do not use Glock. They use the Beretta 92F, I know several combat controllers personally, guess what... they dont use the Glock it is not a US Military Authorized weapon as it does not have a Thumb Safety. Learn before you speak... I say the SeALs because they have the most rugged specifications our military asks for. US Army Special Forces, Rangers etc dont get near the exposure a SeAL does. and to clarify, exposure = multiple methods of continuous insert.
@The3rdID I spent 5 years active 3 of which in CONUS teaching operators the aspects of force protection and direct action for their jobs. Everything from Delta, SeALs, Force Recon, Combat Controllers, ParaRescue & Rangers... guess what we never had... GLOCKS. Beretta 92FS, Sig P226, HK Mk 23, 1911, all things we used, Glock was never on the list. You know why? not because its not a good gun, because according the the appropriations doctrine of the US DOD if it doesn't have a manual safety
just because you add a folding stock to a pistol doesn't make it a 'tactical rifle' or an 'accurate assault rifle. It still uses a pistol cartridge and only has a 3" barrel.
im asking myself if ur willing to do that to a pistol, isnt it a better idea to just get a smg or a rifle? i mean the power on those pistols is great, but nothing compared to a rifle
@specops1991 Oh and as for Sig and HK having less of a combat record than a Glock you are smoking crack. Sig has had and still has the longest standing use by the US Navy SeALs of any other firearm, they also adopted the HK you know why? better more stable accuracy once exposed to an environment that lowers reliability. Glock is the new kid on the block when it comes to those companies. I would gladly place my skills in shooting against yours. Ill see you at MGM Ironman... Trooper Division.
@specops1991 Actually yes shot many guns both in the civilian world and the military world. The M1A has far better balance than a POF for one and it is a true piston system and not a hybrid piston/direct gas conversion system. Learn before you speak, I understand that you think red jacket is the coolest company ever but period point blank the POF is crap, I won a POF a few years back and nearly gave the damn thing away.
@specops1991 THIS POS is nowhere near "BASICALLY AN MP5 THAT'S SMALLER,CHEAPER, AND MORE VERSATILE IN IT'S AMMO USAGE" An MP5 uses a barrel length of 225mm (8.9") ballistics on the 9mm round are OBVIOUSLY Better, 400 m/s (1,312 ft/s) and an effective range of 200m with that longer barrel than that of a Glock 17 375 m/s (1,230 ft/s) max effective range 50m.This I can guarantee will never be implemented into ANY Law Enforcement application, this is for a CONSUMER IN TACTICOOL MARKET!!
@tReNhEx100 no use in law enforcement for sure... but I could see it fitting into the private security sector. But then again... if that is what it is being used for, there are better weapons out there.
These types of stocks are popular in places with bad laws, like South Africa, where the law limits you to one (1) pistol (not fully automatic) for self defense use. That means one weapon for both carry and home defense use. You snap it into the stock and pop a 33 round mag in it when you get home so you are slightly better able to defend your family when animals with illegally obtained AKMs, and zero concern for the law in the first place, break in and try to rape everyone in a 9 block radius.
@specops1991 Yeaaaah... I don't know that I can identify a situation where I would require an assault rifle but "happen to have my sbr'd handgun and carbine kit handy". Does it do the things you say? Mmmm, sure, maybe, but it fills a nonexistent gap in the market. Also, if you're using a handgun at targets that are far enough away to require a stock to hit them with acceptable accuracy, then maybe you should be (re)considering your tactical options. Just sayin'.
I can't stand it when people are all dramatic and hardcore acting when they're shooting... you're not an action movie star. Just wear your regular clothes, act normal and shoot the damned gun. This isn't the Matrix.
@napalm350z Sub guns are essentially pistols that are more accurate, especially under rapid fire, and are useful in close quarters as an alternative to a shotgun. Long rifles like the AR15 in their stock configuration are not geared for close combat. They're more of a long to medium range weapon. Bullpups are the middle ground because they're short but have a full length barrel, so they're good in all cases.
@Crzclwn Anyone can buy an SMG, which is a submachine gun. You just need to pay the tax. However, their manufacture is banned, so most of the SMG's out there are pre 80's, and can cost up to $10k. A subgun is a carbine or rifle that shoots pistol rounds. They are not NFA items. You can also shorten the barrel as an SBR if you pay the tax. Just can't convert it into an SMG.
@heading7593 most SMGs still fires rounds akin to those used in handguns. If you put a carbine kit on a G18C for instance, that's pretty much a SMG right there.
specops... I currently have a ruger p89 dc which has been very reliable for the past 15 years. Just that in all sence it is nothing other than something to blow your money on for no gained effort. If I had to hold a pistol so close to my face to hit a target , I shouldnt be using it. Might as well get your trusty shotgun out. YOU would have better luck.
First gun shown in this video is a sig? wtf? and I am with @onlyonespike . Gimme a glock 21, and a POF .308 when the world is comming to an end, you better shoot faster and more accurate than me, and if you do... you have yourself some great tools to help you in your journey to death!
CAA Roni and FAB defense are both zionist companies based in Israel. You'd better know that when you buy their products you are giving money and funding a criminal and colonial state of antisemistic, christian and muslim hating extremist jews.
Otherwise you have Hera ("Hera triarii" is a nice conversion) that also makes PDW conversions for glocks and others, it's an european company non-israel based, non zionist, western cultured.
@niksarass I dunno, it's like being a black Klan member. Actually it's even more stupid, since you could give up religion, but you couldn't give up your skin color.
Wow guys, why do you hate on this so much, nothing else can compare to a assault rifle carbine pdw. This is THE GUN SYSTEM to issue to our troops because its a assault rifle carbine pdw.
The reason these exist is for gun enthusiasts to have something fun for their fungun. A CCW is most often not a gun that goes in this kit, because of size. An OC would be, but most try to avoid doing so. I could see someone getting this kit and doing the all famous 'conversion' to the glock 17 to make it auto and have a 'SMG' without the pricetag of getting one(illegal). Or if you're getting old or have issues holding a pistol straight period, disabilities etc.
@swordsman3000 It's similar ballistics because it's a pistol caliber. The Kel-tec is not anywhere near as reliable, and most people already own the glock. You'd be better off pushing for someone to buy and sbr a draco imo. That glock is just crazy concealable.
@macready1989 Try folding that sub 2000 with an optic on that quad- oh wait, you cant. The stock for the G17 makes it a much smaller weapon in both its folded and fully extended measurements, hence the more concealable comment. Oh and another advantage with the Glock system is that you can actually find it in stock. Those sub-2000s on the other hand... not so much.
@AdmiralGST lol, yeah, for like 180 after shipping. It's a red lion product right? The point I'm trying to make is if you already have a glock, this could be a similar price point; though, it's more reliable, shorter (thus more maneuverable around corners), lighter, and is at a similar price point to a roided out sub 2000 if you've already got a glock.
@salmonking007 I guess you don't know that this assault rifle carbine pdw kit adds a buttstock to your pistol requiring a $200 dollar tax stamp and a few month wait on getting that aswell. Basically you pay $400 and you're better off getting a Sub 2000.
@AdmiralGST First- an assault rifle has selective fire and shoots rifle cartridges; this is a semi-auto pistol sbr conversion kit (not a machine pistol).
Second- If you own a glock (as I stated in my comment to swordsman3000), this is a better alternative for a pistol carbine.
Third- It uses the same mags as a sub 2000 Glock model, comes in a smaller more compact package, and bolsters Glock reliability compared to Kel Tec quality. The Kel Tec is a nice range toy. The Glock is a weapon system.
@AdmiralGST The kel tec is about $400 because people charge the shit out of the due to their scarcity. Add in the money for that rotating quad and you're at 170-180 extra, plus a decent front sight (not made of plastic) and a charging handle extension. You're looking at $600+
This kit costs roughly $400-460 with the $200 SBR tax stamp. You're about even with the Kel-Tec at that price point, though, I still say that a draco SBR would be the better choice if you're buying a tax stamp. YMMV.
@salmonking007 Then how come I can easily find it for $325 online? Plus a $20 transfer fee and you have your gun right then and there for $325. No need to buy a handgun for $400, buy the stock at $180, then send in the $200 tax stamp and wait a few months to finally have your handgun with a stock for a grand total of $780 and not being able to easily sell it or even leave your state without first informing the BATF.
You don't NEED a SBR, what do you plan on using one for anyway?
@AdmiralGST FFL prices vary depending on location; 325, plus 25 shipping (standard) and 25 transfer fee (most common low FFL fee) would be 375 and a 180 stock plus shipping for about 190. $565 Negating the charging handle, magazines, and decent front sight.
AGAIN, I stated that IF YOU OWN A GLOCK, this is a similar price point. You don't NEED a pistol carbine; if fills a very loose role, but if you WANT an SBR, for the advantages listed prior and have the money, why the hell not?
@salmonking007 If I want a SBR, I'll just get a different upper for the AR I have, I don't want to shoot a pistol with a buttstock, it's pointless. You don't need to change the front sight on a Sub 2000 or the charging handle, both are perfectly fine. Plus the Sub 2000's longer barrel allows for higher velocity plus if you used it for self defence, it would look better with a regular title II weapon than a NFA weapon.
You do realize that you need authorization to leave the state with a SBR.
@AdmiralGST Look. I don't intend on leaving the state. I don't intend on selling my guns. I would rather use an SBR stamp on a draco, but I (key word here) see the benefits of a glock sbr to completely out-weigh those of a Kel Tec Sub2000. Velocity increase isn't much because it's a pistol caliber.
A short barreled .223 on the other hand is kind of counter productive IMO. The fragmentation of the round is so dependent on velocity. You want an expensive 22 LR at longer range? SBR that AR.
@AdmiralGST continuing the topic of AR SBRs; I know you can switch to a heavier grain bullet with a 1:7 twist rate barreled upper in hope of the longer bullet yawing to cause damage, but you might as well just shorten up a 5.45x39 and use a round that was designed to yaw.
You could also say Hornady TAP ammo could work as a self defensive load to longer ranges with an SBR AR, but you're looking a $1+ ammo per bullet, which works MUCH better out of a longer barrel.
@salmonking007 For HD, I use a Remington 1100, my XD40 for CCW, and for anything else, my A2 style AR15. Anything else is just a toy for the range. I don't have a need to set up a short rifle for self defense when I have better options already.
@AdmiralGST HD- Saiga 12; CCW 1911/sig 238 ; Rifle Saiga 7.62x39- my 'go to'. Every other gun I own has it's purpose.
SBRs have their advantages and niche roles, as does the pistol carbine. Range toy or no, if you've got the money, and want the smaller size, reliability, and better materials, go with the Glock SBR over the kel tec. You lose little and gain much. Glock's use as a pistol, SBR, and even in the corner shot system show it's versatility, but at the end of the day it's still a pistol.
@gubbafisch1 Because this is not Call of Duty. If you want it, get it. If you have a role where this can be beneficial, use it. If not, it's as easy as not fucking using it like any other of the thousands of different firearms you have no idea exist because they have not been featured in a video game.
@jeffcivjeep7 i play CoD,so WHAT? i didn't meant it in this way, for example, what is the length? 20 to 25 cm?? (the regular glock) with stock, more than twice?
so, you can't use in in an holster, you can't use it under your coat-jacket or maybe your pullover?
you cant use it like the regular glock , when you are at a fight(not a shootout, but i don't know the word know)
and, the most important point, you can't use it pretty good in a car.
that thing is useless because the recoil is so weak!
@gubbafisch1 So I guess the M16 is useless just like the AK 74, the M249, the AK 47, the P90, FiveseveN, and the KRISS Super V just because they have weak recoil.
@AdmiralGST you realize that i meant CLOSE COMBAT... so not from street to street... i mean from room to room.... .. a main combat weapon is "kinda" long 80 cm to 1 M ... so kinda long... and i think how shorter how better... that is my logic... that is the reason why i think... a STOCK for a regular glock is senseless.. when you can use a mac ? or mp5 pdw or every pdw version of submachine guns.... i hope you got it, can't talk pretty good in english about guns
@gubbafisch1 I do agree, it is a pointless gun. For room clearing though, ANY submachine is good for it, PDWs are created in mind for concealing for personal protection.
Too bad its illegal to put a stock on a pistol and carry it. Something about how adding a stock or front grip to a pistol makes it a short barrel rifle just tells me that this really isnt a good idea considering that we already have machine pistols with greater capability without having to add all this weird shit to a normal pistol.
@onlyonespike POS??? Really?? Are you one of those old timers that still thinks a plastic gun can't make the grade. The 1911 in my mind set the standard way back when. Glock came in took over that standard and reinvented it. When the world is coming to an end, I want a "POS" Glock in my hand and a POF (Patriot Ordnance Factory) gas piston .308 cal rifle strapped to my back. AMEN!!
@fieldx200 Then you arent a shooter if you want a POF. They should be called POS. You want a good reliable piston 308 then get an M1A or if you have to go all battle rifle on everyone get a SCAR. that POS is a heavy pile. And for the record Glock (and I have many) didnt set the new standard, you want a reliable and accurate gun get a Sig or an HK. Glocks are great but they dont even hold a candle to Sig or HK.
Continued:: and stop with this crappy Direct Gas Systems converted over to Piston. Its dumb, just get a damn piston gun. There are plenty to choose from and they were all DESIGNED piston not converted; XCR, ACR, AK47, AK74, AR180, FAL, FNC, G3, Sig550, Sig 556, or the AUG. The "Lets bastardize Eugene Stoners Design" crap is stupid... the reason the AR is so accurate is it ISNT piston, those who say they are less reliable are retarded. I've drug an M4 through hell and back more than once.
@TVFSteve Jesus Christ dude get off your fucking soap stool. I didnt say SHIT about the fucking combat controllers, I said the USAF, there is more to the USAF than the fucking Controllers. G19 is a primary sidearm for most pilots. I never said ANYTHING about the seals either, so why the fuck even bring them up? Im talking about the every day reliability of the gun, and you go and bring up two TINY examples, and got them BOTH wrong.
Because another gun costs more money, so instead of going out and paying another $2,000 for another gun, you can pay $500 for this and its basically have the same thing.
@Breakneckhydra1 Did i say something bad about glock s no you fucking idiot. The applications for this conversion are lame its a fun little gimic thats all . Also if you think an entry swat team would use this your an idiot how many team members you think would be dropping like flies a lot. I sure hope your not in law enforcement i would not wanna work with you.
Or they have gotten more pussy then your ass little shrimp dick has and now enjoy the finer things in life like fine wine, expensive cars, and blowing street punks like you away when you fuck with them...
so you turned a glock into an MP5.............wow.
you lose all advantage of both the pistol and rifle in this conversion.. you either have a pistol thats to large to holster and carry or a rifle thats underpowered with marginal increase in accuracy and gane nothing in firepower what so ever. im thinking this is marketed to police ? to much hassle to change a duty weapon into a rifle when you can simply pop your trunk and grab an actual rifle.
thats retarded. you don't need a stock when the pistol is semi auto. it might help a little with accuracy but the size difference isn't worth it. use a friggin mp7 or mp5 if you want a pdw.
I want one
kaelvin09 4 days ago
I'm pretty sure you have to jump through a shitload of hoops in order to be able to use this legally. If you install attachments on a handgun including a butt stock of any kind I think it changes the weapon class, and you have to submit some kind of request form to modify a firearm. Not to mention having to have a license for certain classes of weapons. The laws are retarded on it, i looked into it briefly before i saw what a pain it was.
hzuiel 6 days ago
@hzuiel And forget about it if you want to put a damn fore grip. My dad's 45 had a little to much kick for me when i was ten, and I nearly got him arrested when i brought my fore grip from and airsoft gun and put it on the rail :/
cammie77s 5 days ago
funny, seems like a great way to hang more shit we don't need of a glock. i'd still like to have one if they where cheaper.
Ready2Run1 2 weeks ago
i think it must be made of gold it cost more than the glock itself
howardwmoore 2 weeks ago
I love the dude shooting the Glock. People think "tactical" means as fucking fast as you can go, jerking as much as possible. Dude looked totally stiff and rigid.
TheSillmatic 2 weeks ago
Just for reference to those making MP5 comparisons. A Glock 17 has a 114mm barrel, an MP5K PDW has a 115mm barrel. Since this is likely the MP5 variant people would use in the role this is intended for, and not a 225mm or 146mm barrel version, that 1mm of extra barrel length the MP5 has will mean exactly 0 extra velocity. The MP5 is a far nicer weapon for most uses, but let's not mistake it for a more powerful weapon, just a more ergonomic one.
mingheemouse 2 weeks ago
awww baldie is acting like a pro shooter
ostkreutzer 3 weeks ago
Keep in mind to get one of these you'll have to register it with the ATF as an NFA gun (short barreled rifle) that'll cost you about $200, and 3 months of waiting
kb1ibh 3 weeks ago
@kb1ibh
more like 6 months right now not counting the f3 transfer.
burner208 3 weeks ago
@kb1ibh Well actually, it's not illegal to own one, it become's illegal if it's on your weapon. I can own a 11" 12GA shotgun barrel as long as it's not on my weapon, but if I put it on my weapon it become's a federal crime.
ReconR3d 1 week ago
@specops1991 Wrong. The Navy Still uses the SIg Sauer 226 as their Special Operations weapon. They wouldnt use it if Glock stood up the same. Dont be an idiot fanboy. Glock may be the best Law Enforcement light use firearm you can buy, it is not the best combat firearm made by any stretch. I bet you are also one of those smart fellas that thing the M4 is better as a piston.
TVFSteve 1 month ago
@TVFSteve What?! He never said anything about the navy seals? It was the other guy dont go yelling at him for something he didnt say.
The3rdID 1 month ago
@TVFSteve Youre the one who said the Seals adopted the HK, then just now cam and said :Wrong, they still use the p226" Then you yelled at him for saying it? Dude get your shit straight. Also if these are so useless, why did Sig Sauer start making them, and have contracted them multiple law enforcement agencies?
The3rdID 1 month ago
@TVFSteve Also when he said "combat record" Im assuming he meant you know...combat? The Seals arent the only group that counts as a "combat unit" The USAF uses glocks, as do many other military's. IDK why you keep going back to the seals, He said "combat record" not "US Navy SEAL" record.
The3rdID 1 month ago
@The3rdID The USAF Combat Controllers do not use Glock. They use the Beretta 92F, I know several combat controllers personally, guess what... they dont use the Glock it is not a US Military Authorized weapon as it does not have a Thumb Safety. Learn before you speak... I say the SeALs because they have the most rugged specifications our military asks for. US Army Special Forces, Rangers etc dont get near the exposure a SeAL does. and to clarify, exposure = multiple methods of continuous insert.
TVFSteve 1 month ago
@The3rdID I spent 5 years active 3 of which in CONUS teaching operators the aspects of force protection and direct action for their jobs. Everything from Delta, SeALs, Force Recon, Combat Controllers, ParaRescue & Rangers... guess what we never had... GLOCKS. Beretta 92FS, Sig P226, HK Mk 23, 1911, all things we used, Glock was never on the list. You know why? not because its not a good gun, because according the the appropriations doctrine of the US DOD if it doesn't have a manual safety
TVFSteve 1 month ago
now this may be something to wright home about....NICE
sirtom68 1 month ago
just because you add a folding stock to a pistol doesn't make it a 'tactical rifle' or an 'accurate assault rifle. It still uses a pistol cartridge and only has a 3" barrel.
ridnpowder20 1 month ago
me quedo con el m15... eso es lo máximo, ligero y rápido.
azjoseaz 1 month ago
The design of the glock itself isn't good enough? Why really need an extra hunk of metal to it?...
DrTran312 1 month ago
Classified as an SBR or not?
Nenbran575 1 month ago
@Nenbran575 yes... this would reclassify this as a SBR...
foxvw 1 month ago
@foxvw Figures. Cool product, though.
Nenbran575 1 month ago
im asking myself if ur willing to do that to a pistol, isnt it a better idea to just get a smg or a rifle? i mean the power on those pistols is great, but nothing compared to a rifle
jimmyvantorre 1 month ago
@specops1991 Oh and as for Sig and HK having less of a combat record than a Glock you are smoking crack. Sig has had and still has the longest standing use by the US Navy SeALs of any other firearm, they also adopted the HK you know why? better more stable accuracy once exposed to an environment that lowers reliability. Glock is the new kid on the block when it comes to those companies. I would gladly place my skills in shooting against yours. Ill see you at MGM Ironman... Trooper Division.
TVFSteve 1 month ago
@specops1991 Actually yes shot many guns both in the civilian world and the military world. The M1A has far better balance than a POF for one and it is a true piston system and not a hybrid piston/direct gas conversion system. Learn before you speak, I understand that you think red jacket is the coolest company ever but period point blank the POF is crap, I won a POF a few years back and nearly gave the damn thing away.
TVFSteve 1 month ago
@specops1991 THIS POS is nowhere near "BASICALLY AN MP5 THAT'S SMALLER,CHEAPER, AND MORE VERSATILE IN IT'S AMMO USAGE" An MP5 uses a barrel length of 225mm (8.9") ballistics on the 9mm round are OBVIOUSLY Better, 400 m/s (1,312 ft/s) and an effective range of 200m with that longer barrel than that of a Glock 17 375 m/s (1,230 ft/s) max effective range 50m.This I can guarantee will never be implemented into ANY Law Enforcement application, this is for a CONSUMER IN TACTICOOL MARKET!!
tReNhEx100 1 month ago
@tReNhEx100 no use in law enforcement for sure... but I could see it fitting into the private security sector. But then again... if that is what it is being used for, there are better weapons out there.
foxvw 1 month ago
These types of stocks are popular in places with bad laws, like South Africa, where the law limits you to one (1) pistol (not fully automatic) for self defense use. That means one weapon for both carry and home defense use. You snap it into the stock and pop a 33 round mag in it when you get home so you are slightly better able to defend your family when animals with illegally obtained AKMs, and zero concern for the law in the first place, break in and try to rape everyone in a 9 block radius.
mingheemouse 1 month ago
Meh an M1911 is still superior to this system.
Plato86 1 month ago
22 people shot themselves in the leg with one of those guns.
TheArabTank 1 month ago
How sturdy is the hinge?
chefkoo 1 month ago
finally somone with some brains
johnny32149 1 month ago
Is that bald guy at 1:00- a fucking douchebag or what? LOL
TonyInTopeka 1 month ago
This should come standard with all Gen 4 glocks as an apology for that fiasco with the RSA's.
lexuz76 1 month ago
@specops1991 Yeaaaah... I don't know that I can identify a situation where I would require an assault rifle but "happen to have my sbr'd handgun and carbine kit handy". Does it do the things you say? Mmmm, sure, maybe, but it fills a nonexistent gap in the market. Also, if you're using a handgun at targets that are far enough away to require a stock to hit them with acceptable accuracy, then maybe you should be (re)considering your tactical options. Just sayin'.
thesenattor 1 month ago 2
please send me one)
thugproofclips 1 month ago
looks great with the silencer.. me like!!!
Peter1682 2 months ago
Would be nice...but they only allow tactical throw pillows here in CA. :(
MotoJB 2 months ago 25
@MotoJB lol, good one
bishopm5 3 weeks ago
@MotoJB those tactical throws still need serial numbers.
leloodallasmultipass 2 weeks ago
@leloodallasmultipass - ...LOL, no doubt.
MotoJB 2 weeks ago
@MotoJB CA sucks dude I'd never live there.
phantomshtter 2 weeks ago
0:51 fps doug?
fmpanic000 2 months ago
Whats the price on this thing?
KStaaf 2 months ago
i'd rather have an MP7 =)
mixdur123 2 months ago
i really like this, one could carry it in their pack and convert their side arm if their main weapon becomes broken or lost
dont really need a railed housing tho...just a point for the stock
HunterKiller308 2 months ago
eh....just give me a uzi
huntersuckscock666 2 months ago
lol rifle.....every glock i've seen is smooth bore....none the less it shoots...a pistol cartridge not an intermediate rifle round.
huntersuckscock666 2 months ago
I can't stand it when people are all dramatic and hardcore acting when they're shooting... you're not an action movie star. Just wear your regular clothes, act normal and shoot the damned gun. This isn't the Matrix.
wc4pwned 2 months ago
@wc4pwned I wish I could vote this up like twenty times.
thesenattor 1 month ago
nice the sig sp 2022!
csxconductor100 2 months ago
I don't understand why people get so much flack for sbring their pistols. What would be the point of a sub gun???
napalm350z 2 months ago
@napalm350z Sub guns are essentially pistols that are more accurate, especially under rapid fire, and are useful in close quarters as an alternative to a shotgun. Long rifles like the AR15 in their stock configuration are not geared for close combat. They're more of a long to medium range weapon. Bullpups are the middle ground because they're short but have a full length barrel, so they're good in all cases.
wc4pwned 2 months ago
sefi is a bitch (you dont know him, he search in google for all my comments when hes bored in university). sefi fuchs.
MrEran1996 2 months ago
I agree with heading7593....is all this necessary for a pistol?
Judas410 3 months ago
um isnt this what smg's are for???
heading7593 3 months ago 27
@heading7593
The average citizen can't buy an SMG. But they can buy a stock kit and register the firearm as an SBR. (Short barreled rifle)
Crzclwn 2 months ago
@Crzclwn Anyone can buy an SMG, which is a submachine gun. You just need to pay the tax. However, their manufacture is banned, so most of the SMG's out there are pre 80's, and can cost up to $10k. A subgun is a carbine or rifle that shoots pistol rounds. They are not NFA items. You can also shorten the barrel as an SBR if you pay the tax. Just can't convert it into an SMG.
wc4pwned 1 month ago
@heading7593 most SMGs still fires rounds akin to those used in handguns. If you put a carbine kit on a G18C for instance, that's pretty much a SMG right there.
ablahblah54 1 month ago
@heading7593 Kel-Tec sub 2000 bro, cant go wrong ;)
sirtom68 1 month ago
@heading7593 too much cod for you jack ass
eyeofth3b3hold3r 1 month ago
@heading7593 This thing is 1/3 the price of an SMG, and also about 1/ the length. It is an SMG , just a ton shorter, which is very very nice.
The3rdID 1 month ago
specops... I currently have a ruger p89 dc which has been very reliable for the past 15 years. Just that in all sence it is nothing other than something to blow your money on for no gained effort. If I had to hold a pistol so close to my face to hit a target , I shouldnt be using it. Might as well get your trusty shotgun out. YOU would have better luck.
onlyonespike 3 months ago
"Assault rilfe carbine pdw"... Does that make sense to anybody here?
Arkanai 3 months ago
looks soooo adorable :D
anteracmacash 3 months ago
yeah if i was in S.A.W.T and was given that before storm a house id probably cry!......but it looks nice
MegaHowHI 3 months ago
who ever need that shit needs practice at aiming and who whats to put munch of useless shit to a beautyful glock
r8der831 3 months ago
I plan to get a full auto one of these! That's cool!
libertyphoenix777 3 months ago
that's a Sig Sauer P2022 Pro kind sir, not a glock in the picture
krogertacosauce 4 months ago
First gun shown in this video is a sig? wtf? and I am with @onlyonespike . Gimme a glock 21, and a POF .308 when the world is comming to an end, you better shoot faster and more accurate than me, and if you do... you have yourself some great tools to help you in your journey to death!
jordanmalyon 4 months ago
CAA Roni and FAB defense are both zionist companies based in Israel. You'd better know that when you buy their products you are giving money and funding a criminal and colonial state of antisemistic, christian and muslim hating extremist jews.
Otherwise you have Hera ("Hera triarii" is a nice conversion) that also makes PDW conversions for glocks and others, it's an european company non-israel based, non zionist, western cultured.
Better to know who you are giving your money to.
niksarass 4 months ago
@niksarass If they're criminal antisemitic jews why don't they kill themselves?
mrkiky 3 months ago
@mrkiky look at the video "american jew beaten in israel" on youtube
niksarass 3 months ago
@niksarass He's not really beaten, not on camera at least. They just restrain him. And jews beating other jews isn't antisemitism.
mrkiky 3 months ago
@mrkiky zionists do many things that annoy the jews, also you can be zionist without being jew
niksarass 3 months ago
@niksarass yes but you can't be antisemitic and a jew.....
mrkiky 3 months ago
@mrkiky yes you can. Check the jew in the nazi NSDAP. Why couldn't you be an antismitic jew? There has been many exemples through history
niksarass 3 months ago
@niksarass I dunno, it's like being a black Klan member. Actually it's even more stupid, since you could give up religion, but you couldn't give up your skin color.
mrkiky 3 months ago
FUCKING RETARDED!!!!
dangerpower95 4 months ago
ummm Whats the point Same Pistol Round Same result!
gotticeethis 4 months ago
Wow guys, why do you hate on this so much, nothing else can compare to a assault rifle carbine pdw. This is THE GUN SYSTEM to issue to our troops because its a assault rifle carbine pdw.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
the two upper comments are from retards that no nothing of tactical with that said i dont think id use this stock id use the HERA-ARMS stock
nanashi1o3 4 months ago
The reason these exist is for gun enthusiasts to have something fun for their fungun. A CCW is most often not a gun that goes in this kit, because of size. An OC would be, but most try to avoid doing so. I could see someone getting this kit and doing the all famous 'conversion' to the glock 17 to make it auto and have a 'SMG' without the pricetag of getting one(illegal). Or if you're getting old or have issues holding a pistol straight period, disabilities etc.
Vydonis 4 months ago
did they hire vin deisel to shoot the bbgun with a handle?
XpliciTClipz 5 months ago
y dont they maake a fuckin stock for a desert eagle
zackz961 5 months ago
Or for the same price you could just get a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 with a quad rail that accepts Glock mags; with better ballistics of a longer barrel
and no Government Tax Stamp bull shite
swordsman3000 5 months ago
@swordsman3000 It's similar ballistics because it's a pistol caliber. The Kel-tec is not anywhere near as reliable, and most people already own the glock. You'd be better off pushing for someone to buy and sbr a draco imo. That glock is just crazy concealable.
salmonking007 5 months ago
@salmonking007 how is a glock 17 crazy concealable its the size of a fucking brick .id rather have a sub 2000 for shure
macready1989 4 months ago
@macready1989 Try folding that sub 2000 with an optic on that quad- oh wait, you cant. The stock for the G17 makes it a much smaller weapon in both its folded and fully extended measurements, hence the more concealable comment. Oh and another advantage with the Glock system is that you can actually find it in stock. Those sub-2000s on the other hand... not so much.
salmonking007 4 months ago
@salmonking007 You can get a side mount to allow mounting optics with the Sub 2000.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST lol, yeah, for like 180 after shipping. It's a red lion product right? The point I'm trying to make is if you already have a glock, this could be a similar price point; though, it's more reliable, shorter (thus more maneuverable around corners), lighter, and is at a similar price point to a roided out sub 2000 if you've already got a glock.
salmonking007 4 months ago
@salmonking007 I guess you don't know that this assault rifle carbine pdw kit adds a buttstock to your pistol requiring a $200 dollar tax stamp and a few month wait on getting that aswell. Basically you pay $400 and you're better off getting a Sub 2000.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST First- an assault rifle has selective fire and shoots rifle cartridges; this is a semi-auto pistol sbr conversion kit (not a machine pistol).
Second- If you own a glock (as I stated in my comment to swordsman3000), this is a better alternative for a pistol carbine.
Third- It uses the same mags as a sub 2000 Glock model, comes in a smaller more compact package, and bolsters Glock reliability compared to Kel Tec quality. The Kel Tec is a nice range toy. The Glock is a weapon system.
salmonking007 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST The kel tec is about $400 because people charge the shit out of the due to their scarcity. Add in the money for that rotating quad and you're at 170-180 extra, plus a decent front sight (not made of plastic) and a charging handle extension. You're looking at $600+
This kit costs roughly $400-460 with the $200 SBR tax stamp. You're about even with the Kel-Tec at that price point, though, I still say that a draco SBR would be the better choice if you're buying a tax stamp. YMMV.
salmonking007 4 months ago
@salmonking007 Then how come I can easily find it for $325 online? Plus a $20 transfer fee and you have your gun right then and there for $325. No need to buy a handgun for $400, buy the stock at $180, then send in the $200 tax stamp and wait a few months to finally have your handgun with a stock for a grand total of $780 and not being able to easily sell it or even leave your state without first informing the BATF.
You don't NEED a SBR, what do you plan on using one for anyway?
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST FFL prices vary depending on location; 325, plus 25 shipping (standard) and 25 transfer fee (most common low FFL fee) would be 375 and a 180 stock plus shipping for about 190. $565 Negating the charging handle, magazines, and decent front sight.
AGAIN, I stated that IF YOU OWN A GLOCK, this is a similar price point. You don't NEED a pistol carbine; if fills a very loose role, but if you WANT an SBR, for the advantages listed prior and have the money, why the hell not?
salmonking007 4 months ago
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AdmiralGST 4 months ago
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@salmonking007 If I want a SBR, I'll just get a different upper for the AR I have, I don't want to shoot a pistol with a buttstock, it's pointless. You don't need to change the front sight on a Sub 2000 or the charging handle, both are perfectly fine. Plus the Sub 2000's longer barrel allows for higher velocity plus if you used it for self defence, it would look better with a regular title II weapon than a NFA weapon.
You do realize that you need authorization to leave the state with a SBR.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST Look. I don't intend on leaving the state. I don't intend on selling my guns. I would rather use an SBR stamp on a draco, but I (key word here) see the benefits of a glock sbr to completely out-weigh those of a Kel Tec Sub2000. Velocity increase isn't much because it's a pistol caliber.
A short barreled .223 on the other hand is kind of counter productive IMO. The fragmentation of the round is so dependent on velocity. You want an expensive 22 LR at longer range? SBR that AR.
salmonking007 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST continuing the topic of AR SBRs; I know you can switch to a heavier grain bullet with a 1:7 twist rate barreled upper in hope of the longer bullet yawing to cause damage, but you might as well just shorten up a 5.45x39 and use a round that was designed to yaw.
You could also say Hornady TAP ammo could work as a self defensive load to longer ranges with an SBR AR, but you're looking a $1+ ammo per bullet, which works MUCH better out of a longer barrel.
salmonking007 4 months ago
@salmonking007 For HD, I use a Remington 1100, my XD40 for CCW, and for anything else, my A2 style AR15. Anything else is just a toy for the range. I don't have a need to set up a short rifle for self defense when I have better options already.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST HD- Saiga 12; CCW 1911/sig 238 ; Rifle Saiga 7.62x39- my 'go to'. Every other gun I own has it's purpose.
SBRs have their advantages and niche roles, as does the pistol carbine. Range toy or no, if you've got the money, and want the smaller size, reliability, and better materials, go with the Glock SBR over the kel tec. You lose little and gain much. Glock's use as a pistol, SBR, and even in the corner shot system show it's versatility, but at the end of the day it's still a pistol.
salmonking007 4 months ago
@macready1989 If you can't conceal a Glock 17, you're too fat then. Being as skinney as me, I can easily conceal a full size pistol.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
why do you need that when you can use the glock without a stock... in REAL close combar i think it is 10 times more effective...
otherwise i would stay to the MAC11 , Steyr TMP, , or HK mp7 mini Uzi or Uzi..:
and i think they are damn more effective than the glock (for example the mac 11)
gubbafisch1 6 months ago
@gubbafisch1 Because this is not Call of Duty. If you want it, get it. If you have a role where this can be beneficial, use it. If not, it's as easy as not fucking using it like any other of the thousands of different firearms you have no idea exist because they have not been featured in a video game.
jeffcivjeep7 4 months ago
@jeffcivjeep7 i play CoD,so WHAT? i didn't meant it in this way, for example, what is the length? 20 to 25 cm?? (the regular glock) with stock, more than twice?
so, you can't use in in an holster, you can't use it under your coat-jacket or maybe your pullover?
you cant use it like the regular glock , when you are at a fight(not a shootout, but i don't know the word know)
and, the most important point, you can't use it pretty good in a car.
that thing is useless because the recoil is so weak!
gubbafisch1 4 months ago
@gubbafisch1 So I guess the M16 is useless just like the AK 74, the M249, the AK 47, the P90, FiveseveN, and the KRISS Super V just because they have weak recoil.
Your logic is stupid, stick to CoD.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST sorry that i didn't said close combat fight ...
your arguments are invalid, i have a small cock
gubbafisch1 4 months ago
@gubbafisch1 You do realize that the first 4 guns are main combat weapons that have low recoil.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST you realize that i meant CLOSE COMBAT... so not from street to street... i mean from room to room.... .. a main combat weapon is "kinda" long 80 cm to 1 M ... so kinda long... and i think how shorter how better... that is my logic... that is the reason why i think... a STOCK for a regular glock is senseless.. when you can use a mac ? or mp5 pdw or every pdw version of submachine guns.... i hope you got it, can't talk pretty good in english about guns
gubbafisch1 4 months ago
@gubbafisch1 I do agree, it is a pointless gun. For room clearing though, ANY submachine is good for it, PDWs are created in mind for concealing for personal protection.
AdmiralGST 4 months ago
@AdmiralGST now you got what i meant, !
pdw weapones are perfect for CQB!
gubbafisch1 4 months ago
nice!
Gabinazo007 6 months ago
Lo veo mejor que muchas sub ametralladoras y mas compactas también!
raul3723 6 months ago
why would you need a stock on a pistol
waazzzzzzaaaaaaap 6 months ago
make one of those to the desert eagle instead
croccofanto 6 months ago
why don´t just use sub machine gun?
Lumak1 6 months ago
@Lumak1 because you have a Glock..
LucasSchaaf 5 months ago
@LucasSchaaf >_>
Lumak1 5 months ago
Too bad its illegal to put a stock on a pistol and carry it. Something about how adding a stock or front grip to a pistol makes it a short barrel rifle just tells me that this really isnt a good idea considering that we already have machine pistols with greater capability without having to add all this weird shit to a normal pistol.
zainaku 6 months ago
From 2:11-2:33 He made it very intense
TheCivilianSoldier 6 months ago
Haha OLD gangster with his retirment glock.
VVHOREify 7 months ago
Doesn't this turn your pistol into a short barrel rifle? And without NFA approval and $200 tax stamp...a felony?
thegewehrguy 7 months ago
@thegewehrguy it says on the side "FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT USE ONLY"
daiktana 5 months ago
Remember, when walking through an ally; freak out, pull out your pdw, and start firing blindly at a brick wall.
TheKray11 7 months ago
Seriously, you would be an idiot to think that this even compairs to an assault rifle of any kind.
It is only a pos glock.
if you need a gunstock to shoot a pistol, YOU DONT NEED THE PISTOL.
onlyonespike 7 months ago 12
@onlyonespike its not about comparing it to a assualt rifle it just shows how versatile a glock is
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@onlyonespike POS??? Really?? Are you one of those old timers that still thinks a plastic gun can't make the grade. The 1911 in my mind set the standard way back when. Glock came in took over that standard and reinvented it. When the world is coming to an end, I want a "POS" Glock in my hand and a POF (Patriot Ordnance Factory) gas piston .308 cal rifle strapped to my back. AMEN!!
fieldx200 4 months ago 11
@fieldx200 Modern plastics (ie Zytel and Carbon Fiber) are stronger than steel.
wc4pwned 2 months ago
@fieldx200 Then you arent a shooter if you want a POF. They should be called POS. You want a good reliable piston 308 then get an M1A or if you have to go all battle rifle on everyone get a SCAR. that POS is a heavy pile. And for the record Glock (and I have many) didnt set the new standard, you want a reliable and accurate gun get a Sig or an HK. Glocks are great but they dont even hold a candle to Sig or HK.
TVFSteve 1 month ago
Continued:: and stop with this crappy Direct Gas Systems converted over to Piston. Its dumb, just get a damn piston gun. There are plenty to choose from and they were all DESIGNED piston not converted; XCR, ACR, AK47, AK74, AR180, FAL, FNC, G3, Sig550, Sig 556, or the AUG. The "Lets bastardize Eugene Stoners Design" crap is stupid... the reason the AR is so accurate is it ISNT piston, those who say they are less reliable are retarded. I've drug an M4 through hell and back more than once.
TVFSteve 1 month ago
@TVFSteve Jesus Christ dude get off your fucking soap stool. I didnt say SHIT about the fucking combat controllers, I said the USAF, there is more to the USAF than the fucking Controllers. G19 is a primary sidearm for most pilots. I never said ANYTHING about the seals either, so why the fuck even bring them up? Im talking about the every day reliability of the gun, and you go and bring up two TINY examples, and got them BOTH wrong.
The3rdID 1 month ago
@TVFSteve I know for a fact USAF pilots carry Glocks, I can promise you. Also how do you define an active safety?
The3rdID 1 month ago
@fieldx200
Cool story bro.
ApocalypticCarnage13 1 month ago
@fieldx200 Amen
sirtom68 1 month ago
@fieldx200 Christian conservative white male I presume.
MrSuspiciousPerson 1 month ago
@fieldx200 the keltec rfb is the best all purpose weapon evermade.
realgoodaudio 1 month ago
@onlyonespike One weapon, may uses.
heatfilter 3 months ago
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@onlyonespike You are a dipshit, just shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.
premazek 3 months ago
@onlyonespike moron
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 3 months ago
2:53 Did he get him?
762infidel 7 months ago
reminds me o the mp7
darthbilly97 7 months ago
why ? ... why do this when you can buy a smg
MrDlCatalin 7 months ago
@MrDlCatalin
Because another gun costs more money, so instead of going out and paying another $2,000 for another gun, you can pay $500 for this and its basically have the same thing.
Breakneckhydra1 7 months ago
@Breakneckhydra1 now sudenly all makes sense :)))
MrDlCatalin 7 months ago
fucking lame its a pistol hahahahhahaha hey i wonder if they have a conversion for my little .22 wheel gun hahahahahahahahahah
TheZacoff 7 months ago
@TheZacoff
Whats bad about a glock?
Best handgun ever made, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be laughing with a 9mm in your skull from a SWAT entry team member using one of these....
Breakneckhydra1 7 months ago
@Breakneckhydra1 Did i say something bad about glock s no you fucking idiot. The applications for this conversion are lame its a fun little gimic thats all . Also if you think an entry swat team would use this your an idiot how many team members you think would be dropping like flies a lot. I sure hope your not in law enforcement i would not wanna work with you.
TheZacoff 7 months ago
i think they could of used a better scenerio for there ad then protecting some puck ass bussiness man.
MARV1N187 7 months ago
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TheSdfgsfgs 7 months ago
@TheSdfgsfgs
Or they have gotten more pussy then your ass little shrimp dick has and now enjoy the finer things in life like fine wine, expensive cars, and blowing street punks like you away when you fuck with them...
Breakneckhydra1 7 months ago
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TheSdfgsfgs 7 months ago
@Breakneckhydra1 inbox me
TheSdfgsfgs 7 months ago
does this include the paperwork to register it as an SBR since the second you put the thing together you have manufactured an SBR.
without the registration you get 10 free years in federal pound me in the ass prison.
yetshi 7 months ago
I think, though I'm not entirely sure, but I think that you can fire that like a pistol.
Pooknottin 7 months ago
K.P.O.S
since its a glock im guessing it stands for, Killer piece of shit.
npalombo10 7 months ago
ps. this is not a glock
trsdt5 7 months ago
@trsdt5 Yes it was, the first one wasn't but the second one was.
GUITARPLAYAx93x 7 months ago
so you turned a glock into an MP5.............wow.
you lose all advantage of both the pistol and rifle in this conversion.. you either have a pistol thats to large to holster and carry or a rifle thats underpowered with marginal increase in accuracy and gane nothing in firepower what so ever. im thinking this is marketed to police ? to much hassle to change a duty weapon into a rifle when you can simply pop your trunk and grab an actual rifle.
for "civilians" its to much hassle to be worth it
dan16802 7 months ago 4
@dan16802
but it looks cool...
nt7332 7 months ago
@dan16802 Agreed, what a piece of shit
Jamespot24 4 months ago
I learned more in an hour of reading youtube comments than I have in an hour of history class.
Account0997 7 months ago
thats retarded. you don't need a stock when the pistol is semi auto. it might help a little with accuracy but the size difference isn't worth it. use a friggin mp7 or mp5 if you want a pdw.
floridabowhunter 8 months ago
Only requires a $200 tax stamp and 6 months to wait for the ATF to approve you....
20YrBillionaire 8 months ago
@20YrBillionaire not if you use an airsoft or a replica for war games
ordosincorporated 8 months ago
the round size doesnt matter to the atf you can get a ak-47 pistol
101crazys 8 months ago
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GregComesInPeace 8 months ago
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