Great news this was, I hope the ball will keep rolling until the United Kingdom is rid of all the heretical and schismatic bodies that style themselves churches. Only the Church of Christ is pure and path to heaven. Welcome home, reconciled schismatics and heretics!
@catholicpeter so you are more into UK than spirits of Anglicans joining you....hahahaha....i knew that as on my earlier posts....i feel sori for you and Anglicans coming to your penhouse...If UK dies, Anglicanism will never , its a Global communion...hahahaha FUCK THE POPE....Anglicanism rules the world !
If we accept the fact the Anglicanism was before Catholicsm , The walls and toilets in the Vatican will be bombed for keeping shit records......Listen all Catholics ! get the fuck out of the Anglican world ! and stay fucked in the Vatican hole ! hear me or not ?
@Nimo753 ahhh just fuck off anglican church existed only becouse henry VIII want fuck with more than a woman..not for divine inspiration for sure.. just shut up you ignorant asshole.
@Selvans100 Have you heard of that female Pope after Pope LEO IV.....the female Pope Joan...she gave birth to a bunch of Cardinals and left them under the Vatican to die....When these stupid attitudes exposed to the world..Pope Joan was raped and beheaded and minced under St Peters Vatican.......This is wat i call fucking infront of Gods eyes....and watbout priests enlarging alter boys anus....that is wat i call want fuck with more than a woman.....ask your mama about it...
@Nimo753 man your brain got very important damage you are total manipulated this pope joan never exist.Pope Joan was a legendary female Pope who allegedly reigned for a few years some time during the Middle Ages. The story first appeared in 13th-century chronicles, and subsequently spread throughout Europe. It was widely believed for centuries, though modern religious scholars consider it fictitious, perhaps deriving from historicized folklore regarding Roman monuments or from anti-papal satire.
@Selvans100 - is this one of papal coverings of truth ? how can you hide the fact dull mind....- you are so brainwashed that you will never acept this....this source came out of a Cardinal that spent yrs in the Vatican......so write back and lets reaveal the truth
Satan deception is sadly working..."For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." Thessalonians 5:3 KJV
Repent and flee away from Babylon, the End is Near
@MetallicThor Most people dont know that Jesus converted over to the FIRST Christian Church wich was the Roman Catholic Church! So Orthodox is the Second closest Church to Jusus Paxti Christi!
@cronanus - hahahaha.....you have been studying bullshit for years, so up yours Catholics....Anglicanism never ever had anything with Catholic devils.....
@lippertism I disagree, because the idea of the papacy itself did not exist, it was made up by the vatican. I think the Orthodox are closest to true Christianity.
@MetallicThor - Indeed, it is interesting that since the English Reformation, there has been a strong dialogue between the Anglican and Orthodox churches, with agreement on many points, including some key points of dispute between the Orthodox and Catholic churches. But even that aside, the fact that Orthodox doctrine has remained unchanged while Catholics pile more and more new doctrine onto their members though "apostolic decree" shows that the Orthodox are the "truest" in a historical sense.
@lippertism Don't lie. The first church was the one made by Jesus apostles and it had nothing to do with the whore of the revelation the catholic church made by gnostic men (the early fathers of catholicism)
@Ettoredipugnar Actually, although the initial instigation of reformation was Henry and his claim to ultimate magisterial authority over the Church in England, it was a religious reformation (just not a protestant one) evidenced by the role of Cramner and others, who were far more instrumental than Henry. Henry was long dead by the time the reformation of the church was completed in 1571 and the Church of England proclaimed its doctrine in the 39 Articles of Faith and the Book of Common prayer.
In fact, there is a historical precedent for a non-Catholic Anglican identity - the earliest Christian writings in England cite Eastern church fathers, later Pelagius stood against the western Augustine. In 690 Theodore of Tarsus reformed the English Church along Eastern lines and there is evidence that the church retained Orthodox liturgical practices and icon veneration even after the schism in 1054. It was the Norman invasion which finally brough the church into full communion with Rome.
@TheCrazyCello - The Vatican knows this, All Catholics knows quite the same...but they want Anglican Wealth, so its a waste of time telling....lets just focus on spreading it to our Anglican brothers....Jesus said...there is a flock of holy lambs outside my church, were i need you to protect their faith...
"Check out my YouTube channel/playlists and websites for present-truth materials, Three Angels' Messages and God's last-mercy warning to His people in these last days.
Papacy = Antichrist / Little Horn / Beast from the Sea
Roman Catholicism = Whore of Babylon
Investigative Judgement has commenced in 1844 (1st Angel’s Message)
Ellen G. White, 1827-1915 = End-time Prophet Sent of God
7th-day Sabbath = Seal of God
Sunday Worship to be Enforced as Mark of the Beast"
@SeventhDayRemnant Look if u continue posting up all this crap... im gonna tell youtube to take u down. Read the Bible buddy. I dont see any of this written in the Bible. You Christians have misinterpreted the Bible.
@davidnash41 thats alright mate...noone said u had to rejoin the catholic church, but it has become evident that the anglican church has kept much of the catholic church's tradition. the anglican church is a church of grave error, gay priest? female bishops? wow u guys follow the bible... the anglican church is not unified and it will never be
wearing underwear first appeared in the mid-east years B.C....do you still see your undies as a property of Egypt and they don`t claim you undies as theirs as well..Religious orders originally came out of Jewish practices , so why do you Catholics claim it yours .......fucks
@Nimo753 alright no need for the swearing... technically speaking we are brothers to the jewish faith. but Christ set up a new religion when he came to earth. the last supper, the first mass and before his ascension, he ordained his apostles priests which would carry on the teaching of the faith. Our Lord said to St Peter in the New Testament " You are the rock on which i will build my Church" and the successor of the bishops were the Church Fathers and has now carried on to the present Bishops
@Nimo753 ummm Jesus didnt create the Anglican Church...History tell us that King Henry VIII broke off from the catholic church and created the anglican church...
@Nimo753 and who was made the rock of the church? who was the first leader of the church? definately not Henry VIII... so go back and study the bible more thoroughly then come talk to us...
@cronanus First Christians in UK was the English Church, Later came Roman Catholics...The English Church is our direct route to our roots....History tells us that Jesus built his Church in Glastonbury......English members wanted Henry VIII to spit on Roman Dictatorship.....so he did and changed direction to the communion....
@cronanus ...the church and not Catholicsm although you have Peters ( fake ) body under St Peter.......Church aint about Peters body....its all about faith in Christ..
ever since wen was King Henry the 8th the Bishop Of Rome? He Never was
Ever since when did God give the english Parliament the right to elect the Head? Never. You Anglicans believe in scripture alone is that right? therefore u must only follow the Bible and many of your teachings are contrary to the Bible. Women as bishops? i dont recall that being in the Bible. Yes women hold an important place in the church but being a priest is not their job.
were else would we extract living facts from lad ? didn`t Jesus say men will only live by recieving and believing the Holy scriptures , no wonder why Catholics are so lost ,no wonder why the catholic church don`t love women and lastly NO wonder why you don`t have any clue what the holy spirit is - don`t worry Anglicans over here are Chritianising our Catholic friends , youll be next ,, i love you brother !
As an Anglican I for one am totally against any union with Rome. The church of Rome is a church in grave error and I would not wish my church to join that error. Personally I think any Anglican that wishes to join Rome should be kicked our of the Anglican church...let them go.
Next time i visit England , id be very disappointed to see you Pope there - ill kick the shit out of that spoon on your head and replace it with a frypan - leave Anglicanism alone Moron...form up sumfin for Priests without penis.
@Nimo753 mate u shutip alirght... the pope has invited those who feel that the anglican church is not following the moral teachings and not following the teachings of God to be in communionn with rome. the anglican church never shud hav broken off
@cronanus when you mentioned that " Anglican Church never shud hav broken off" is this Western mentality on a reinforcement for Catholic Globalisation.......we Anglicans have a lot more to offer the world than being dragged back to Vatican agendas....go shut that cockeye pope of yours fuck.
@ArmoredEpiscopalian totally agree and they can join a belief system not only known for their assembly of child predators but a massive and major cover up that has gone on for centuries and would have continued to do so until CIVIL PROSECUTION AND MONETARY AWARDS STOPPED THEM AS THEY DID NOT DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
and may they all go to hell, go to a church and religion that covered up child abuse for years upon years and with the HOLY POPE !!!!! knowing..... moved from church to church in the hope of covering it up...
bending down and kissing the hand to another HUMAN BEING and calling him Holy Father !
I'd rather rot in hell than belong to that religion !!!
Thank the Lord for Luther ! and the reformation.. Protestantism the one true teachings of Christ !
I have some big problems with the Catholic Church, for example their focus on Mary, the great church hierarchy with the Pope as the infallible head and salvation by works (and don't get me wrong I know that not ALL Catholics hold to those doctrines), but I will tell you one thing - they are far stronger than some of the weak and Bible-distorting liberals that we have kicking around in the Protestant community.
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - John 17:20-21
Were about in your piece of reading indicates that staying Anglican is a sin . John 17:20-21 was read out to Heathens aiming at Christenising them . not Catholicising us .
The only reason why we have to debate on a couple of Issues is because the Pope cant just stay and be satisfied with his own Church.i would say in front of him not to interfere with others bussiness . Your Era of Globalisation is finish.FULLSTOP.
@assasincomedy ....are you saying that what your fucked pope said in West` Cathedral was not an invitation...nice try but im too civilsed to join the Catholic AIDS wORLD !
@assasincomedy ....are you saying that what your fucked pope said in West` Cathedral was not an invitation...nice try but im too civilsed to join the Catholic AIDS wORLD !
Leave us alone Pope , appreciate your assistance but just Leave us alone , mind your own bussiness , We can enter Heaven without you ................just Leave us alone.Just lEAVE US ALONE X 100000000000000000
Christ authorised S.Peter to bind or loose whatever he wished in Christ's name (Matthew 16:19 and 18:18) and so on through his successors the popes. Scripture did not support Christ's own claims, but we are Christians, not 'Biblicists'.
@splinterbyrd There are a few problems with this statement of yours: 1) This succession is not to the Pope alone, but was told to all Apostles. Peter didn't speak for himself, he spoke for all the others. Therefore, Christ couldn't have granted this to Peter alone, but to all the others that Peter spoke up on behalf of.
@splinterbyrd 2) Peter planted Antioch & Babylon long before he went to die in Rome. None of those Patriarchs dare to claim such a "primacy of Peter" the way Rome does. The way the Roman Papacy has tried to usurp authority over the centuries was appalling, violating Ecumenical Canon Laws.
@streets2apostle The development of the papal supremacy was a lengthy affair, but Christ's words seem definitive 'And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death [gates of hell] shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven' Mat16.18/9 This is addressed to Peter alone.
@splinterbyrd If Papal supremacy was a definite doctrine, then it wouldn't have taken so long to be "developed". Also, you ignored the fact that Peter officially planted the Churches of Antioch and Babylon before he ever went to Rome, which was already developed by the time he arrived. Neither Antioch or Babylon claimed "Petran supremacy", & they would have had first claims before Rome.
@streets2apostle. You misunderstand divine revelation. Doctrine develops, it doesnt appear overnight. Christ's authrisation, and thus Peter's as well, was to an extent a blank cheque, to be used as their successors saw fit. But for which they are answerable. The eastern patriarchs had the Roman Emperor in Constantinple in authority over them. The departure of the Emperors from Rome left a power vacuum, and the people turned to the pontiff in desperation, in the face of the heathen barbarians.
@splinterbyrd You missed alot there. Does it take time for "two plus to to equal four", or does it take time for people to learn how to add? Therefore, doctrine doesn't "develop over time". Doctrine is revealed at once. It is the understanding that takes time to catch up. Where on Earth did you get this "blank Check" stuff from? A Roman Catholic Priest no doubt. Had it been so, it would have been revealed within the actions of the Apostles 1000 years prior!
@streets2apostle Well there's at least 1000 years between Genesis and the teachings of Christ, and another 1500 years until the interpretations of the Reformers. Revelation and development continue for ever. Ask any teacher or rabbi. Christ was both.
@splinterbyrd You missed it again. Everything wasnt presented all at once during those generations. Each layer of doctrine was presented at a different time. You were speaking as if it took 1000 yrs for the Church to realize that the Pope was the supreme head. The doctrine of the Reformers didn't take long at all. The issues of the Reformers came about as soon as the doctrine was introduced. Papal Infallibility, Supremacy, & RC Mariology were all immediately rejected once presented.
@streets2apostle However it is also important to note that the Total Supremacy is accompanied by Total Responsibility, and the Bishops of Rome are answerable to Christ and to his flock as to how they use -or misuse- that power. While I have met some outstanding individual clergymen, I have generally been underwhelmed by the Roman hierarchy and their mechanical approach to Dogma. But Ive always liked the authoritative way they say it; then you can take it or leave it.
@splinterbyrd Rome originally gained high regard moreso for its size & importance as a Metropolis than because of Peter. Jerusalem was the first Church. Jerusalem is the place of the death burial & resurrection of Christ; Jerusalem is the place of His return. Have you ever seen the Patriarchs of Jerusalem act in such a manner? Heaven forbid!
How can Rome continue to claim to be Catholic, yet violate Canon law? This is in direct violation of laws such as the Council of Chalcedon, Canon #29, and quite a few others. Last I checked, those who do such were counted as HERETICS! Quite speaking of Protestants leaving the faith and check your Pope!
OMG - here we are going 1447 yrs backwards - King Henry Viii realised what the Vatican did so he separated us ( Anglicans ) so that we could worship freely and openly - those have left the Anglican Church You are a bludy whimp asshole
What an OUTRAGE! Why would ANY Anglican want ANYTHING to do with Catholic church is beyond comprehension. The Pope/s (past and present) have done NOTHING but cover up for pedophile priests, issued Nazi war criminals with fake passports to avoid justice and bled every last cent from the poorest of the poor, only to further their own wealth. If they were REAL Christians, they'd demolish St. Peters and distribute the weath to those they have stolen from. They're just plain EVIL and duplicitious.
Just think: These men whose hands formerly brought forth nothing, will now, by the power of the Holy Spirit, be able to consecrate ordinary bread and wine into the very Body and Blood of Jesus Christ our saviour. Wonderful.
To help the Anglican priests settle into life as catholic priests there are going to be introductory classes including "Grooming Children", "Covering up Scandals" and of course " Holocaust Denying 101"
The pope should confess that the RCC is after Anglican Wealth and Money not members - Long live The Anglican Church - and for those that have left - you have used you brothers and sis in the church to attract every1 to your own personal favor , so -- FYS FYM FYD -- and pls don`t return , maybe your the Jonah in the ARK.
I was born in England and my mom had me baptised, but my parents are not Religious. I now live in Adelaide, Australia and im 15. We are going to move to Mackay and i want to join a christian church, but i dont know the differences between the Anglican church and the Catholic church. Can someone help me?
@JAKE84111 You are on the right track, save yourself a lot of searching and questions and join the ONE true church founded by Jesus, proven by apostalic succession: The Holy Roman Catholic church, The mother church of all. For 1500 years, only one Christian Church exisited, it was the Catholic Church everything that comes after that is just a detraction from the truth. Shine in the light of Christ!
@JAKE84111 i dont know about oz, but in the UK Anglicans and Catholics are different in style and approach rather than anything specific. Anglicans are fuzzy, vague and middle class, Catholics a bit more specific. Im Roman Catholic, but it's probably best to try any or all, and see which suits. Maybe start with 'happy clappy' evangelicals. Do any of your schoolfriends go to a church? if so, ask if you can tag along.
It depends on how much you know about the Faith, but maybe going to Church in the first instance isnt always the best approach (it can be). Talk to clergy, to christian people, go to a church youth club or get involved in a church project. If you have religion teachers at school, talk to them too. And let us know how you get on :0)
@Skyethur It is impossible to be Christian and not be Catholic! The RCC is arrogant in staking claims on a term that was never solely theirs to begin with. St. Ignatius of Antioch (NOT A ROMAN POPE) was the one to introduce this term. The RCC is but a branch; how can one branch make up the full body of the Vine which i the body of Christ, the Catholic Church? The Church was Catholic before the Roman Bishop was ever held in high regard! Read your Church History & Apostolic Fathers!
@streets2apostle .. did you even know that catholic church was built by Christ himself.. our church starts after Jesus died on the cross which is 33AD and our first pope is peter..
@streets2apostle the RCC doesn't teach you MUST be catholic to be a christian. We just believe that Catholicism is Christianity to the fullest extent. We believe protestants to be Christians, just incomplete in their teachings. We believe they, like anyone with Jesus, can be saved. Sadly, some Catholics beleive "no salvation outside the church" only refers to the RCC, but Christianity is universal, and Catholics truly believe all trinitarian christians are holy. - devout Roman Catholic
@willthacheerleader18 The problem here is when you say "Catholic", you speak exclusively of RC. The word "Catholic" means "universal", so use it in its proper context. If you claim that Protestants are Christian, then you must respect them as being apart of the one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church according to the definition first properly given by St. Ignatius of Antioch: "Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the people gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church".
@streets2apostle I thought that is what you meant. Sorry. Yes, catholic means universal, and also means apostolic in structure. We do not recognize some Chritsians as catholic (in structure) such as pentecostals, baptists, or nondenominationals.. but prebyterians, lutherans, methodists, anglicans, orthodox, and many more are "catholic" in structure.
@willthacheerleader18 Yes Catholic does mean "universal", but the term "Apostolic in structure" is not technically included in that term. The RCC has no right to not recognize those who do not operate according to Latin Rite structure. In all truth, true Catholic structure is the following of the doctrines of the Apostles & the Apostolic fathers, not the format that they used for mass (I cannot speak for Baptists).
@streets2apostle firstly, the term catholic has been acceean apostolic in nature (by all christians). Secondly, the Church DOES recognize non Latin Rite structure, hence Ukranian Rite, Greek Rite, Bynzantine Rite, Marionite, etc. All accepted as in full communion with the Holy See.
@willthacheerleader18 1) That is true, however, Apostolic "nature" goes beyond the concepts of the RCC dpgmas; 2) Those rites represent the cultures of that particular Church's origin. True Catholic communion will accept the rites of all in Christ Jesus our Lord, & not just those who are in "full communion" by way of contractual agreement. 3) Apostolic nature & Apostolic structure are two different things.
@streets2apostle we are truly catholic. We do accept others, but not in full communion, because we see there teachings as either having falsehood or being incomplete, not a complete truth, as the church is to have. We do not think of them as less than us, but we do not see protestants as having the full truth of Christ.
@willthacheerleader18 I fully understand RC doctrine. The problem is that Roman Catholics hardly understand their own doctrine, that includes the origins of their doctrines. Yes Protestants have taken away a certain deposit of the original faith, but the RCC has added heresies to the deposit that they originally protected. RCC "Mariology", Papal Infallibility, Papal Supremacy, & Clerical celibacy are amongst the majority of things that is rejected by Protestants & Orthodox.
@willthacheerleader18 The RCC does hold to a dogma that says "we are the true Church" in a way that contradicts the definition & origin of "Catholic". If one has Christ within their Church, they have the fullness of Christ. Christ is not divided, therefore, they can have only part of the truth, but they may have all of Christ. The Catholic Church does have the full truth of Christ, but the Catholic Church is ALL OF CHRISTIANITY, not just the RCC.
@willthacheerleader18 Ignatius defined the Catholic Church long before Rome was revered as a prominent Church: "wheresoever the Bishop shall appear, there let the people gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". The Roman Catholic Church therefore with respects to proper definition by Christianity is "the branch of the Catholic Church that is governed by the Metropolitan Archbishop of Rome". This automatically means that other branches are Catholic, though not Roman.
@streets2apostle the Catholic Church is not all of Christianity, or then it would include Jahova's Witnesses, Mormons, Methodists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Mennonites, Quakers, Baptists, Unitarians, Christian Scientists, etc..
Many denominations beliefs are considered heretical and schismatic by the Catholic Church, and therefore they are not fully Christian (such as non-Trinitarians).
@willthacheerleader18 the ORIGINAL & TRUE meaning of "Catholic Church" includes all of Christianity. Jehovah's Witnesses, Quakers, Unitarians Mormons, & other non-trinitarian religions are not Christian. They are heretical. The term "Catholic Church" cam LONG before the RCC & the Eastern Orthodox split, long before even the Council of Nicea, & came out of the mouth of the Bishop of Antioch, not the Bishop of Rome. Therefore, yes all of Christianity is included in the term "Catholic Church".
@streets2apostle define "heretical" then. They believe themselves to be Christians, but YOU can deny them, yet the RCC has no right to deny teaching of other churches too? hypocritical. No, catholic, in the truest extent, only reffers to the Roman Catholic & Eastern Catholic churches and the Eastern & Oriental Orthodox Churches.
@willthacheerleader18 Those Churches that are heretical deny the doctrines of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, & the Trinity. Bishop Ignatius describes the Church BEFORE there was a split, therefore the Catholic Church is more than just Eastern/Oriental Orthodox, & the RCC. Most of the Churches that you mentioned, when you actually check, do not deny the doctrines of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, but actually follow them. Their liturgical style is different, thats all. (I cant speak for Baptists though)
@streets2apostle oh i see what you are saying, and yes, we do agree with that. We recognize (im not sure about baptists.. i do think we see them as heretical..) that churches like Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc are not heretical. We do not see them as full and compelte in teaching, but we do see them as Christian.
@willthacheerleader18 EXACTLY! This was the origin of the term "Catholic", for you recognize the East in the same way, though you see them being closer to you than Protestants.
@willthacheerleader18 There actually is no such thing as "more valid". The validity of one's structure is based upon it being Biblically and/or traditionally based. Many of the traditions of the Church have no NT origin such as Liturgical vestments.
@streets2apostle NT is not more imporant than OT. NT fulfills the OT. both are part of Sacred Scripture. Our traditions have been passed down throughout the centuries, and are of grave importance. Many of them infact symbolize meanings within Sacred Scripture.
@willthacheerleader18 If you can say that, then you are hypocritical for saying one Church is "more valid" than another Church. Never question the validity of another Church & their structure when you barely understand why they even exist.
@streets2apostle The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches are the oldest churches in the whole world. They are responsable for the conversion of the Americas, Africa, and Asia. They follow Apostolic Succession, compiled the Bible, and are valid. They split due to a schism in Hiarchial structure. Protestantism (besides Anglicanism which to some extent is not protestant) broke away because of theological differences, seen as heresy.
@willthacheerleader18 All that you stated was well and true, but the details that you didnt mention are what stands out and make sense of who is in error & who isn't. Anglicans left because a foul king; Martin Luther left because of a foul Pope. They cannot be placed in the same category. Orthodox left because of the Popes claims to power that never existed for him before, & by them changing the Nicene Creed illegally.
@willthacheerleader18 Many of them do, true. However, many of them dont. I know about the traditions of the RCC. The difference is I also know about the origins of many of them as well, & some of them are completely off (i.e. RC Mariology, Papal Infallibility, Papal Supremacy, Clerical Celibacy, etc.)
@streets2apostle we actually have biblical verses to support all of those, and there are hundreds of documents and books written by catholic theologians on the subjects. Marian veneration comes from our belief in her being the New Ark of the Covenant. Clerical Celibacy comes from Christ's celibacy, and following his example (Eastern catholic priests can marry, only those in Latin Rite can't), Purgatory comes from our belief in redemption, and being cleansed before entering God's presence, etc.
@willthacheerleader18 Viewing Mary as "Co-redemtrix", a New Ark, or queen of Heaven is heretical in all ways & no scripture supports it; Peter & other Apostles were married, therefore clerical celibacy as a rule is not Biblical & illegal by Canon Law; Purgatory is mentioned only vaguely in one scripture of the Apocrypha, & the Apostles never spoke or taught on it at all; the ONLY thing that the Apostles taught to cleansed you was the blood of Jesus & the Word of God.
you are quite right about redemption coming through the Sacrifice but remember the Bible post-dates the Catholic Church. St. Jerome gave the church the Canon, therefore in a real sense the Catholic Church is the guardian of Biblical Teaching so the Book can not over rule Tradition or Apostolic Teaching.
@idle44 I agree with you here (except for the part about St. Jerome, for there were others who provided Canons, & St. Jeromes wasn't the final decision). Now, the issue is the term "Catholic Church". The term Catholic Church pre-dates the present RCC. It was stated during a time when all of the Church was in unity. I time of Papal Primacy, not Papal Supremacy. It is a term that is not to be claimed solely by the RCC, but to be shared by all true Christians. No one branch can thug the others.
To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.that acounts for two the spirit the flesh.and the ghost is the comfort.makeing it three.
Why is it such a big deal to become a Catholic? Aren't we all universally "the church." None of this ever made sense to me, I left the Catholic Church because they would not stop preaching they are the best church, the one filled with the whole truth. All that matters in my eyes is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
@sweetgothicrevenge A person can live on bread and water, but is that how you want to live? Do you not realize the truth and beauty that God offers us in a bountiful goodness of food and drink? Why then limit yourself to "a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. How is it that you know of Jesus? From the Bible, who assembled the Bible? The Catholic Church... Everything single church that is not the one true Catholic church takes away from the church that Jesus himself started.
know this jesus.eyes like fire like crystals. hair like wool white like a fishermans .robe long. shoes has gold in a furnace.with a golden sash .he came down himself.was made man lived among men .thats how john saw him in the midst so did i in 1993.who ever so belive in me i will save .thats his word.he is god john saw him in his true form spirit..stop the sqaubleing.hold fast to jesus.he is very real
What's this jazz about the "true" church, RC, C of E, Baptist, Lutherian, etc., what does it matter ! The important for me is that we are all Christians in the eye of God.
Instead of prying all the churches apart, lets try unite them, to understand each other. That would be the true Christian spirit ... Didn't Our Lord say "My house has many rooms ...."
@livesteam What I find amazing in the protestant world is the collection of churches in towns, right across the street from each other, a baptist church here, first church of christ here, mennonite there... Does it strengthen Christianity to have 25,000 different denomonations? The one true church founded by Jesus is the Catholic Church. He said to Peter (1st Bishop of Rome, aka POPE) "Peter you are the rock and upon this rock I will build MY chruch."
The analogy of the Eastern Rite churchs is flawed. Those are truly apostolic churchs. Their priesthoods & sacraments are real. Still, I love this development. Pp. Bene XVI is so bold in restoring Christ's Church. He is harvesting the seed that Pp. JP II sowed. I am amazed @ how many Anglican are in the world. I think that this arrangement will lay a foundation for even the more evangelical type Anglicans who are turning to African bishops. The coming collapse of Western Civ. is curious.
this gives me the creeps. just proves to me that the rcc is all religion and no relationship with God. The scripture regarding having a form of religion but denying the power seems so true of the rcc.
We have little record of the 100 years from 1492 when nearly three continents of peoples were brought to ruination and slavery by the Spanish and Portuguese in the name of the Roman Church. Britain and the States also drank deeply from the bloody cup of enslavement. However, so long as the Roman Church, Spain and Portugal have not fully confessed their crimes their guilt remains a living truth. The tax records of the inquisition and the witness of the Roman Church should all be made public.
Do Christians know what sacred message the Quran delivers to Muslims?
Even the so-called moderate Muslims don’t know the true message of Quran
If they had studied the Quran, they would either become extremists or abandon it.
There is no room for such kinds as 'moderate' Muslims in Islam.
Burning the Quran is not new in Islam. Their 3rd Caliph and the son-in-law of Muhammad, Othman, had burned the 6 out of 7 versions of the Quran, while compiling the version that exist today. (faithfreedom.o r g)
idolaters, heirs of hell and darkness, servants of Lucifer. Put in your head that idolaters will not inherit the kingdom of God. Palm Satan is knocking succeeded in bringing together these idiots for Anglicans within the realm of Hell.
@pertencoacristo lets just get this strait dude. The anglican faith was created so that king henry VIII could marry Anne Boleyn, a women who supposedly had three breasts and 11 fingers. So even at your point of view, i think more people would join the catholic faith, headed by satan, than a faith started by some fat king who had a fetish for women with three tits
@gustavo2828 wow umm how about wikipedia."before separating from Rome in 1534 during the reign of King Henry VIII""Henry VIII wanted an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn." Yep doesnt get any simpler than that. Waut maybe, " Henry VII wanted children and catherine was older, so he married an ugly girl to give him heirs and send him to hell,but it didnt work so he married half a dozen more after chopping her head off." yep thats simpler
@gustavo2828 o yes i do believe ive debated with you before and youve said the same thing, maybe you should get a general history book at your local library, im pretty sure you can get a library card, if not you can read it as long as you stay in the building. Also as a hobby, I like taking statistics, and if you blabber crap out you have a 99% chance of being powned by a junior high school student, since they the same amount as you do
@MrBronbron headed by satan?!? dude pick up your bible for once, quit following the protestant "conspiracy", if you read intelligentely and open heartedly, you will see it is the church Christ established on Earth. If it is headed by satan as you say, how come Catholic priests come in the name of Christ to carry out exorcisms, your choice. Follow fact or myth
@pimper347 if you wouldve read my other comments i was using satire.. Also,which bible the catholic bible the one that has been used by christians for 2 millenium or the NIV which has so many mess ups it calls jesus a god.Also, anyone can carry out an exorcism by saying god commands or jesus commands, its just dangerous.
@MrBronbron The Canon of Scripture is not a subject you want to dispute. For starters, NO COUNCIL had the authority to declare the Canon closed, for who can Silence GOD? Even if GOD granted such authority to an Ecumenical Council, none of the Councils which declared the Canon of Scripture for their respective denomination were Ecumenical. The Council of Trent only involved Roman Catholics. Where was the rest of the Church? Why weren't they invited?
@streets2apostle there is only one true church streets 2 apostle. why would we need 2 invite heretics to come to our councils, we did that at vatican II but its not required since technically your going against the scripture and have broken from his church in some way. God did give us the authority to bind and loose Matt 16:18
@MrBronbron Did God give the Church the authority to bind or loose His very Word? You are right, there is but one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church, but Rome has left it long ago. Do you agree with what the Pope did in order to cause Martin Luther to leave? If so, then you are the true heretic. Read up on Church History. Rome never had the sole claim on the term "Catholic", and they never will. Bishop Ignatius of Antioch defined it, not any Roman Bishop. Look it up before claiming it.
@streets2apostle perhaps you should look up the meaning .. does the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus(without the church there is no salvation) mean anything to you? The pope didnt cause martin luther to leave,his mind did. Martin Luther was crazy and didnt follow the bibles teachings. He let one man keep 2 wives he took out parts of the bible and said on faith alone you are saved but wasnt it jesus that said in matthew 7:21 not everyone who cries lord will enter the kingdom of god
@streets2apostle the Council of Trent was the Catholic Church's reaction to the Protestant Reformation.. it was to reform and change this within the CATHOLIC church.. the protestants would not have taken part, as it was a council for the Catholic Church on Catholic matters.. the Lutherans wanted nothing to do with the Catholic Church at the time, nor did the Anglicans.
@willthacheerleader18 The Protestant Reformation was the Holy Spirit's reaction to heresy placed up by Pope Leo X, a thieving, homosexual anti-Pope! The Catholic Church didn't attend the Council of Trent, for the Catholic Church is not just made up of Rome. The TRUE Catholic Church is made up of all of Christ's people, just just those under the Roman Archbishop. Learn what St. Ignatius said concerning the Catholic Church & see that it doesn't just mean the Roman Catholic Church.
@streets2apostle not entirely true. part of the reformation i beleive was divinly inspired, but not all of it. The Catholic Church made some big mistakes (which they have publically apologized for). Martin Luther did not originally want to leave the Catholic Church. The reformation should have reformed, not lead to knew churches. That is the part not guided by the Spirit. Reform comes from the Spirit, breaking away is a flaw by man. We still believe non-Catholics are part of the universal church
@willthacheerleader18 How can you say "We still believe non-Catholics are part of the Universal Church"? The Universal Church IS the Catholic Church! Do not refer to the RCC in such a way as to indicate that it alone stands as rightfully being Catholic if you are to acknowledge others as rightfully being Christi
long live the catholic church and the pope true christian faith
michaelmykingforever 1 week ago
anymore Catholics here? fucken cunts
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
The Catholic Church is mankinds spiritual home while sojourning on the earth. Thank you Jesus.
Archangel866 1 month ago
@Archangel866 - You wish and keep dreaming .
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
Great news this was, I hope the ball will keep rolling until the United Kingdom is rid of all the heretical and schismatic bodies that style themselves churches. Only the Church of Christ is pure and path to heaven. Welcome home, reconciled schismatics and heretics!
catholicpeter 1 month ago
@catholicpeter so you are more into UK than spirits of Anglicans joining you....hahahaha....i knew that as on my earlier posts....i feel sori for you and Anglicans coming to your penhouse...If UK dies, Anglicanism will never , its a Global communion...hahahaha FUCK THE POPE....Anglicanism rules the world !
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@Nimo753 .and take that peter out of yor username....replace with dickhead
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
If we accept the fact the Anglicanism was before Catholicsm , The walls and toilets in the Vatican will be bombed for keeping shit records......Listen all Catholics ! get the fuck out of the Anglican world ! and stay fucked in the Vatican hole ! hear me or not ?
Nimo753 1 month ago
@Nimo753 ahhh just fuck off anglican church existed only becouse henry VIII want fuck with more than a woman..not for divine inspiration for sure.. just shut up you ignorant asshole.
Selvans100 3 weeks ago
@Selvans100 Have you heard of that female Pope after Pope LEO IV.....the female Pope Joan...she gave birth to a bunch of Cardinals and left them under the Vatican to die....When these stupid attitudes exposed to the world..Pope Joan was raped and beheaded and minced under St Peters Vatican.......This is wat i call fucking infront of Gods eyes....and watbout priests enlarging alter boys anus....that is wat i call want fuck with more than a woman.....ask your mama about it...
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@Nimo753 man your brain got very important damage you are total manipulated this pope joan never exist.Pope Joan was a legendary female Pope who allegedly reigned for a few years some time during the Middle Ages. The story first appeared in 13th-century chronicles, and subsequently spread throughout Europe. It was widely believed for centuries, though modern religious scholars consider it fictitious, perhaps deriving from historicized folklore regarding Roman monuments or from anti-papal satire.
Selvans100 3 weeks ago
@Selvans100 - is this one of papal coverings of truth ? how can you hide the fact dull mind....- you are so brainwashed that you will never acept this....this source came out of a Cardinal that spent yrs in the Vatican......so write back and lets reaveal the truth
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@Nimo753 what a dick head you are, ignorant, goo go to watch the film of Dan Brown, they search ignorant people like you, becouse they need money.
Selvans100 3 weeks ago
@Selvans100 - I dont have to do anything you say dickhead....go boss you mother ...fuckwit...
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@Nimo753 2 billion catholic martyrs... not that bad
cronanus 3 weeks ago
@cronanus - recognised by which mother fucker?
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
Satan deception is sadly working..."For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." Thessalonians 5:3 KJV
Repent and flee away from Babylon, the End is Near
fresniak 2 months ago
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fresniak 2 months ago
Im Irish, we bleed for Rome, we suffered the annihilation of our future & heritage because we clung to our alleigance with the "pope"
I know hindsight is a great thing but we were wrong, these abusers of children change their colors to suit their audience.
gespb32 3 months ago
@MetallicThor Most people dont know that Jesus converted over to the FIRST Christian Church wich was the Roman Catholic Church! So Orthodox is the Second closest Church to Jusus Paxti Christi!
lippertism 3 months ago
the first church was established by Jesus in Glastobury ....thats a fact
Nimo753 3 months ago
@Nimo753 glastobury, a place for ingorant anglicans...
cronanus 3 weeks ago
@cronanus - hahahaha.....you have been studying bullshit for years, so up yours Catholics....Anglicanism never ever had anything with Catholic devils.....
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
I say this conversion should happen, all peo. should be Catholic! was the first Christian Church!
lippertism 4 months ago
@lippertism I disagree, because the idea of the papacy itself did not exist, it was made up by the vatican. I think the Orthodox are closest to true Christianity.
MetallicThor 3 months ago
@MetallicThor - Indeed, it is interesting that since the English Reformation, there has been a strong dialogue between the Anglican and Orthodox churches, with agreement on many points, including some key points of dispute between the Orthodox and Catholic churches. But even that aside, the fact that Orthodox doctrine has remained unchanged while Catholics pile more and more new doctrine onto their members though "apostolic decree" shows that the Orthodox are the "truest" in a historical sense.
TheCrazyCello 3 months ago
@lippertism Don't lie. The first church was the one made by Jesus apostles and it had nothing to do with the whore of the revelation the catholic church made by gnostic men (the early fathers of catholicism)
fresniak 2 months ago
Well the reformation in england wasn't religious . It was political. Henry wanted his way. So much trouble for a vagina ?
Ettoredipugnar 6 months ago
@Ettoredipugnar at least its natural , and not a 5 yrs anus you fucken devils ... catholis = devils
Nimo753 5 months ago
@Nimo753 are you an angry catholic , or a fundimentilists ?
Ettoredipugnar 5 months ago
@Ettoredipugnar - im a civilised human being!....you are a brainwashed nutcase as all Catholics
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@Nimo753 How dare you call me a "nutcase brainwashed catholic " I am Easten Orthodox.
Ettoredipugnar 3 weeks ago
@Ettoredipugnar sori mate, i thought yor one of them!
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@Ettoredipugnar Actually, although the initial instigation of reformation was Henry and his claim to ultimate magisterial authority over the Church in England, it was a religious reformation (just not a protestant one) evidenced by the role of Cramner and others, who were far more instrumental than Henry. Henry was long dead by the time the reformation of the church was completed in 1571 and the Church of England proclaimed its doctrine in the 39 Articles of Faith and the Book of Common prayer.
TheCrazyCello 3 months ago
In fact, there is a historical precedent for a non-Catholic Anglican identity - the earliest Christian writings in England cite Eastern church fathers, later Pelagius stood against the western Augustine. In 690 Theodore of Tarsus reformed the English Church along Eastern lines and there is evidence that the church retained Orthodox liturgical practices and icon veneration even after the schism in 1054. It was the Norman invasion which finally brough the church into full communion with Rome.
TheCrazyCello 3 months ago
@TheCrazyCello - The Vatican knows this, All Catholics knows quite the same...but they want Anglican Wealth, so its a waste of time telling....lets just focus on spreading it to our Anglican brothers....Jesus said...there is a flock of holy lambs outside my church, were i need you to protect their faith...
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
These mafiosos feed off of the most abundant natural resource on earth, human weakness
oblongerer 7 months ago
Never happen in the UK, we want nothing to do with the Pope of the Catholic Church
salazar55555 7 months ago 3
Does it make sense that the queen be in charge of the Church she lacks apostolic succession and so does the entire english church.
MsKecee 6 months ago
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SeventhDayRemnant 7 months ago
@SeventhDayRemnant Look if u continue posting up all this crap... im gonna tell youtube to take u down. Read the Bible buddy. I dont see any of this written in the Bible. You Christians have misinterpreted the Bible.
cronanus 7 months ago
@davidnash41 thats alright mate...noone said u had to rejoin the catholic church, but it has become evident that the anglican church has kept much of the catholic church's tradition. the anglican church is a church of grave error, gay priest? female bishops? wow u guys follow the bible... the anglican church is not unified and it will never be
cronanus 7 months ago
@cronanus
wearing underwear first appeared in the mid-east years B.C....do you still see your undies as a property of Egypt and they don`t claim you undies as theirs as well..Religious orders originally came out of Jewish practices , so why do you Catholics claim it yours .......fucks
Nimo753 7 months ago
@Nimo753 alright no need for the swearing... technically speaking we are brothers to the jewish faith. but Christ set up a new religion when he came to earth. the last supper, the first mass and before his ascension, he ordained his apostles priests which would carry on the teaching of the faith. Our Lord said to St Peter in the New Testament " You are the rock on which i will build my Church" and the successor of the bishops were the Church Fathers and has now carried on to the present Bishops
cronanus 7 months ago
@cronanus Jesus established Anglicanism in Glastonburyy, years before he made that statement....so there is not a thing between us...Glastonbury
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@Nimo753 ummm Jesus didnt create the Anglican Church...History tell us that King Henry VIII broke off from the catholic church and created the anglican church...
cronanus 3 weeks ago
@Nimo753 and who was made the rock of the church? who was the first leader of the church? definately not Henry VIII... so go back and study the bible more thoroughly then come talk to us...
cronanus 3 weeks ago
@cronanus First Christians in UK was the English Church, Later came Roman Catholics...The English Church is our direct route to our roots....History tells us that Jesus built his Church in Glastonbury......English members wanted Henry VIII to spit on Roman Dictatorship.....so he did and changed direction to the communion....
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@cronanus ...the church and not Catholicsm although you have Peters ( fake ) body under St Peter.......Church aint about Peters body....its all about faith in Christ..
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
ever since wen was King Henry the 8th the Bishop Of Rome? He Never was
Ever since when did God give the english Parliament the right to elect the Head? Never. You Anglicans believe in scripture alone is that right? therefore u must only follow the Bible and many of your teachings are contrary to the Bible. Women as bishops? i dont recall that being in the Bible. Yes women hold an important place in the church but being a priest is not their job.
cronanus 7 months ago
@cronanus
were else would we extract living facts from lad ? didn`t Jesus say men will only live by recieving and believing the Holy scriptures , no wonder why Catholics are so lost ,no wonder why the catholic church don`t love women and lastly NO wonder why you don`t have any clue what the holy spirit is - don`t worry Anglicans over here are Chritianising our Catholic friends , youll be next ,, i love you brother !
Nimo753 7 months ago
As an Anglican I for one am totally against any union with Rome. The church of Rome is a church in grave error and I would not wish my church to join that error. Personally I think any Anglican that wishes to join Rome should be kicked our of the Anglican church...let them go.
davidnash41 8 months ago
Next time i visit England , id be very disappointed to see you Pope there - ill kick the shit out of that spoon on your head and replace it with a frypan - leave Anglicanism alone Moron...form up sumfin for Priests without penis.
Nimo753 8 months ago
@Nimo753 mate u shutip alirght... the pope has invited those who feel that the anglican church is not following the moral teachings and not following the teachings of God to be in communionn with rome. the anglican church never shud hav broken off
cronanus 7 months ago
@cronanus when you mentioned that " Anglican Church never shud hav broken off" is this Western mentality on a reinforcement for Catholic Globalisation.......we Anglicans have a lot more to offer the world than being dragged back to Vatican agendas....go shut that cockeye pope of yours fuck.
Nimo753 3 weeks ago
@ArmoredEpiscopalian no prob bro
silentfades 8 months ago
@ArmoredEpiscopalian re read my post THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID - AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
Why are you so defensive when clearly there is no offense ?
silentfades 8 months ago
@ArmoredEpiscopalian totally agree and they can join a belief system not only known for their assembly of child predators but a massive and major cover up that has gone on for centuries and would have continued to do so until CIVIL PROSECUTION AND MONETARY AWARDS STOPPED THEM AS THEY DID NOT DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
silentfades 8 months ago
@ArmoredEpiscopalian Many churches and individuals are not happy with the Episcopal churches allowance of homosexuality
silentfades 8 months ago
and may they all go to hell, go to a church and religion that covered up child abuse for years upon years and with the HOLY POPE !!!!! knowing..... moved from church to church in the hope of covering it up...
bending down and kissing the hand to another HUMAN BEING and calling him Holy Father !
I'd rather rot in hell than belong to that religion !!!
Thank the Lord for Luther ! and the reformation.. Protestantism the one true teachings of Christ !
delboy0903 10 months ago
@delboy0903 take it easy brother, pray for all to come to repentance, remember what Jesus said.
bmd4rill 9 months ago
I have some big problems with the Catholic Church, for example their focus on Mary, the great church hierarchy with the Pope as the infallible head and salvation by works (and don't get me wrong I know that not ALL Catholics hold to those doctrines), but I will tell you one thing - they are far stronger than some of the weak and Bible-distorting liberals that we have kicking around in the Protestant community.
GoldenbanjoDJ 10 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ
Actually you have to be born again in Jesus blood to see whats right.
MrNafetalai 10 months ago
@MrNafetalai
I have been
GoldenbanjoDJ 10 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ
focusing on Mary ?
MrNafetalai 10 months ago
@MrNafetalai
what? no i haven't focused on Mary at all
GoldenbanjoDJ 10 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ
good on ya !thats my boy , Join Anglicanism - freedom of worship
MrNafetalai 9 months ago
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MrNafetalai 10 months ago
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robbooey 10 months ago
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - John 17:20-21
- Faithful Catholic (Universal) Christian :]
UniQuEclectics 11 months ago 6
@UniQuEclectics
Were about in your piece of reading indicates that staying Anglican is a sin . John 17:20-21 was read out to Heathens aiming at Christenising them . not Catholicising us .
MrNafetalai 10 months ago
The only reason why we have to debate on a couple of Issues is because the Pope cant just stay and be satisfied with his own Church.i would say in front of him not to interfere with others bussiness . Your Era of Globalisation is finish.FULLSTOP.
MrNafetalai 11 months ago
@MrNafetalai Actually, it was the Traditionalist Anglicans that came to us, to escape the escalating liberalism in the Anglican Church.
assasincomedy 11 months ago 7
@assasincomedy
Its a blessing to the Anglican Church that they left - Take them with ya , its all yours , Just dont use your global head on the rest of us.
MrNafetalai 10 months ago
@assasincomedy
Thats the best part of Anglicanism democracy in Faith , whoever left is not Anglican anymore.Leave my Anglican Church alone please , fo
MrNafetalai 10 months ago
@MrNafetalai I wasn't interfereing with your Church, I was refuting your ill-stated comment. Sorry for using freedom of speech for spreading truth.
assasincomedy 8 months ago
@assasincomedy
stone age is gone my friend - no need to lie - you know that the Pope seduced these Anglican bishops !
Nimo753 7 months ago
@assasincomedy ....are you saying that what your fucked pope said in West` Cathedral was not an invitation...nice try but im too civilsed to join the Catholic AIDS wORLD !
Nimo753 1 month ago
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@assasincomedy ....are you saying that what your fucked pope said in West` Cathedral was not an invitation...nice try but im too civilsed to join the Catholic AIDS wORLD !
Nimo753 1 month ago
Just leave us alone Roman Catholics - Leave us OK FO
MrNafetalai 11 months ago
Leave us alone Pope , appreciate your assistance but just Leave us alone , mind your own bussiness , We can enter Heaven without you ................just Leave us alone.Just lEAVE US ALONE X 100000000000000000
MrNafetalai 11 months ago
Christ authorised S.Peter to bind or loose whatever he wished in Christ's name (Matthew 16:19 and 18:18) and so on through his successors the popes. Scripture did not support Christ's own claims, but we are Christians, not 'Biblicists'.
splinterbyrd 1 year ago
@splinterbyrd There are a few problems with this statement of yours: 1) This succession is not to the Pope alone, but was told to all Apostles. Peter didn't speak for himself, he spoke for all the others. Therefore, Christ couldn't have granted this to Peter alone, but to all the others that Peter spoke up on behalf of.
streets2apostle 11 months ago
@splinterbyrd 2) Peter planted Antioch & Babylon long before he went to die in Rome. None of those Patriarchs dare to claim such a "primacy of Peter" the way Rome does. The way the Roman Papacy has tried to usurp authority over the centuries was appalling, violating Ecumenical Canon Laws.
streets2apostle 11 months ago
@streets2apostle The development of the papal supremacy was a lengthy affair, but Christ's words seem definitive 'And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death [gates of hell] shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven' Mat16.18/9 This is addressed to Peter alone.
splinterbyrd 11 months ago
@splinterbyrd If Papal supremacy was a definite doctrine, then it wouldn't have taken so long to be "developed". Also, you ignored the fact that Peter officially planted the Churches of Antioch and Babylon before he ever went to Rome, which was already developed by the time he arrived. Neither Antioch or Babylon claimed "Petran supremacy", & they would have had first claims before Rome.
streets2apostle 11 months ago
@streets2apostle. You misunderstand divine revelation. Doctrine develops, it doesnt appear overnight. Christ's authrisation, and thus Peter's as well, was to an extent a blank cheque, to be used as their successors saw fit. But for which they are answerable. The eastern patriarchs had the Roman Emperor in Constantinple in authority over them. The departure of the Emperors from Rome left a power vacuum, and the people turned to the pontiff in desperation, in the face of the heathen barbarians.
splinterbyrd 11 months ago
@splinterbyrd You missed alot there. Does it take time for "two plus to to equal four", or does it take time for people to learn how to add? Therefore, doctrine doesn't "develop over time". Doctrine is revealed at once. It is the understanding that takes time to catch up. Where on Earth did you get this "blank Check" stuff from? A Roman Catholic Priest no doubt. Had it been so, it would have been revealed within the actions of the Apostles 1000 years prior!
streets2apostle 11 months ago
@streets2apostle Well there's at least 1000 years between Genesis and the teachings of Christ, and another 1500 years until the interpretations of the Reformers. Revelation and development continue for ever. Ask any teacher or rabbi. Christ was both.
splinterbyrd 11 months ago
@splinterbyrd You missed it again. Everything wasnt presented all at once during those generations. Each layer of doctrine was presented at a different time. You were speaking as if it took 1000 yrs for the Church to realize that the Pope was the supreme head. The doctrine of the Reformers didn't take long at all. The issues of the Reformers came about as soon as the doctrine was introduced. Papal Infallibility, Supremacy, & RC Mariology were all immediately rejected once presented.
streets2apostle 11 months ago
@streets2apostle However it is also important to note that the Total Supremacy is accompanied by Total Responsibility, and the Bishops of Rome are answerable to Christ and to his flock as to how they use -or misuse- that power. While I have met some outstanding individual clergymen, I have generally been underwhelmed by the Roman hierarchy and their mechanical approach to Dogma. But Ive always liked the authoritative way they say it; then you can take it or leave it.
splinterbyrd 11 months ago
@splinterbyrd Rome originally gained high regard moreso for its size & importance as a Metropolis than because of Peter. Jerusalem was the first Church. Jerusalem is the place of the death burial & resurrection of Christ; Jerusalem is the place of His return. Have you ever seen the Patriarchs of Jerusalem act in such a manner? Heaven forbid!
streets2apostle 11 months ago
@streets2apostle We're going round in circles a bit, but Peter is held to be the first Pope and as 'Christ's rock' his see -Rome- is also supreme.
splinterbyrd 1 month ago
How can Rome continue to claim to be Catholic, yet violate Canon law? This is in direct violation of laws such as the Council of Chalcedon, Canon #29, and quite a few others. Last I checked, those who do such were counted as HERETICS! Quite speaking of Protestants leaving the faith and check your Pope!
SatinB7 1 year ago
OMG - here we are going 1447 yrs backwards - King Henry Viii realised what the Vatican did so he separated us ( Anglicans ) so that we could worship freely and openly - those have left the Anglican Church You are a bludy whimp asshole
4he41 1 year ago
What an OUTRAGE! Why would ANY Anglican want ANYTHING to do with Catholic church is beyond comprehension. The Pope/s (past and present) have done NOTHING but cover up for pedophile priests, issued Nazi war criminals with fake passports to avoid justice and bled every last cent from the poorest of the poor, only to further their own wealth. If they were REAL Christians, they'd demolish St. Peters and distribute the weath to those they have stolen from. They're just plain EVIL and duplicitious.
qantasCapt 1 year ago
Just think: These men whose hands formerly brought forth nothing, will now, by the power of the Holy Spirit, be able to consecrate ordinary bread and wine into the very Body and Blood of Jesus Christ our saviour. Wonderful.
BibleProclaimer559 1 year ago
To help the Anglican priests settle into life as catholic priests there are going to be introductory classes including "Grooming Children", "Covering up Scandals" and of course " Holocaust Denying 101"
crucifr1ed 1 year ago
The pope should confess that the RCC is after Anglican Wealth and Money not members - Long live The Anglican Church - and for those that have left - you have used you brothers and sis in the church to attract every1 to your own personal favor , so -- FYS FYM FYD -- and pls don`t return , maybe your the Jonah in the ARK.
4he41 1 year ago
heck i dont even know what any of you people are arguing
MrBronbron 1 year ago
I was born in England and my mom had me baptised, but my parents are not Religious. I now live in Adelaide, Australia and im 15. We are going to move to Mackay and i want to join a christian church, but i dont know the differences between the Anglican church and the Catholic church. Can someone help me?
JAKE84111 1 year ago
@JAKE84111 You are on the right track, save yourself a lot of searching and questions and join the ONE true church founded by Jesus, proven by apostalic succession: The Holy Roman Catholic church, The mother church of all. For 1500 years, only one Christian Church exisited, it was the Catholic Church everything that comes after that is just a detraction from the truth. Shine in the light of Christ!
timothyschrock 1 year ago
@timothyschrock If i became a Catholic would i have to lean latin.
JAKE84111 1 year ago
@JAKE84111 No :0)
splinterbyrd 11 months ago
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splinterbyrd 11 months ago
@JAKE84111 i dont know about oz, but in the UK Anglicans and Catholics are different in style and approach rather than anything specific. Anglicans are fuzzy, vague and middle class, Catholics a bit more specific. Im Roman Catholic, but it's probably best to try any or all, and see which suits. Maybe start with 'happy clappy' evangelicals. Do any of your schoolfriends go to a church? if so, ask if you can tag along.
splinterbyrd 11 months ago
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It depends on how much you know about the Faith, but maybe going to Church in the first instance isnt always the best approach (it can be). Talk to clergy, to christian people, go to a church youth club or get involved in a church project. If you have religion teachers at school, talk to them too. And let us know how you get on :0)
splinterbyrd 11 months ago
christians should come back to the first church that is catholic..
Skyethur 1 year ago
@Skyethur It is impossible to be Christian and not be Catholic! The RCC is arrogant in staking claims on a term that was never solely theirs to begin with. St. Ignatius of Antioch (NOT A ROMAN POPE) was the one to introduce this term. The RCC is but a branch; how can one branch make up the full body of the Vine which i the body of Christ, the Catholic Church? The Church was Catholic before the Roman Bishop was ever held in high regard! Read your Church History & Apostolic Fathers!
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle .. did you even know that catholic church was built by Christ himself.. our church starts after Jesus died on the cross which is 33AD and our first pope is peter..
Skyethur 1 year ago 2
@Skyethur Amen! Long live the Roman Catholic Church
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@streets2apostle the RCC doesn't teach you MUST be catholic to be a christian. We just believe that Catholicism is Christianity to the fullest extent. We believe protestants to be Christians, just incomplete in their teachings. We believe they, like anyone with Jesus, can be saved. Sadly, some Catholics beleive "no salvation outside the church" only refers to the RCC, but Christianity is universal, and Catholics truly believe all trinitarian christians are holy. - devout Roman Catholic
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 The problem here is when you say "Catholic", you speak exclusively of RC. The word "Catholic" means "universal", so use it in its proper context. If you claim that Protestants are Christian, then you must respect them as being apart of the one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church according to the definition first properly given by St. Ignatius of Antioch: "Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the people gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church".
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle I thought that is what you meant. Sorry. Yes, catholic means universal, and also means apostolic in structure. We do not recognize some Chritsians as catholic (in structure) such as pentecostals, baptists, or nondenominationals.. but prebyterians, lutherans, methodists, anglicans, orthodox, and many more are "catholic" in structure.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 Yes Catholic does mean "universal", but the term "Apostolic in structure" is not technically included in that term. The RCC has no right to not recognize those who do not operate according to Latin Rite structure. In all truth, true Catholic structure is the following of the doctrines of the Apostles & the Apostolic fathers, not the format that they used for mass (I cannot speak for Baptists).
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle firstly, the term catholic has been acceean apostolic in nature (by all christians). Secondly, the Church DOES recognize non Latin Rite structure, hence Ukranian Rite, Greek Rite, Bynzantine Rite, Marionite, etc. All accepted as in full communion with the Holy See.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 1) That is true, however, Apostolic "nature" goes beyond the concepts of the RCC dpgmas; 2) Those rites represent the cultures of that particular Church's origin. True Catholic communion will accept the rites of all in Christ Jesus our Lord, & not just those who are in "full communion" by way of contractual agreement. 3) Apostolic nature & Apostolic structure are two different things.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle we are truly catholic. We do accept others, but not in full communion, because we see there teachings as either having falsehood or being incomplete, not a complete truth, as the church is to have. We do not think of them as less than us, but we do not see protestants as having the full truth of Christ.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 I fully understand RC doctrine. The problem is that Roman Catholics hardly understand their own doctrine, that includes the origins of their doctrines. Yes Protestants have taken away a certain deposit of the original faith, but the RCC has added heresies to the deposit that they originally protected. RCC "Mariology", Papal Infallibility, Papal Supremacy, & Clerical celibacy are amongst the majority of things that is rejected by Protestants & Orthodox.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 The RCC does hold to a dogma that says "we are the true Church" in a way that contradicts the definition & origin of "Catholic". If one has Christ within their Church, they have the fullness of Christ. Christ is not divided, therefore, they can have only part of the truth, but they may have all of Christ. The Catholic Church does have the full truth of Christ, but the Catholic Church is ALL OF CHRISTIANITY, not just the RCC.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 Ignatius defined the Catholic Church long before Rome was revered as a prominent Church: "wheresoever the Bishop shall appear, there let the people gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". The Roman Catholic Church therefore with respects to proper definition by Christianity is "the branch of the Catholic Church that is governed by the Metropolitan Archbishop of Rome". This automatically means that other branches are Catholic, though not Roman.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle the Catholic Church is not all of Christianity, or then it would include Jahova's Witnesses, Mormons, Methodists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Mennonites, Quakers, Baptists, Unitarians, Christian Scientists, etc..
Many denominations beliefs are considered heretical and schismatic by the Catholic Church, and therefore they are not fully Christian (such as non-Trinitarians).
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 the ORIGINAL & TRUE meaning of "Catholic Church" includes all of Christianity. Jehovah's Witnesses, Quakers, Unitarians Mormons, & other non-trinitarian religions are not Christian. They are heretical. The term "Catholic Church" cam LONG before the RCC & the Eastern Orthodox split, long before even the Council of Nicea, & came out of the mouth of the Bishop of Antioch, not the Bishop of Rome. Therefore, yes all of Christianity is included in the term "Catholic Church".
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle define "heretical" then. They believe themselves to be Christians, but YOU can deny them, yet the RCC has no right to deny teaching of other churches too? hypocritical. No, catholic, in the truest extent, only reffers to the Roman Catholic & Eastern Catholic churches and the Eastern & Oriental Orthodox Churches.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 Those Churches that are heretical deny the doctrines of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, & the Trinity. Bishop Ignatius describes the Church BEFORE there was a split, therefore the Catholic Church is more than just Eastern/Oriental Orthodox, & the RCC. Most of the Churches that you mentioned, when you actually check, do not deny the doctrines of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, but actually follow them. Their liturgical style is different, thats all. (I cant speak for Baptists though)
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle oh i see what you are saying, and yes, we do agree with that. We recognize (im not sure about baptists.. i do think we see them as heretical..) that churches like Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc are not heretical. We do not see them as full and compelte in teaching, but we do see them as Christian.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 EXACTLY! This was the origin of the term "Catholic", for you recognize the East in the same way, though you see them being closer to you than Protestants.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle yes, we view Eastern and Oriental Orthodox structure to have more validity and their teaching to be fuller than that of protestants.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 There actually is no such thing as "more valid". The validity of one's structure is based upon it being Biblically and/or traditionally based. Many of the traditions of the Church have no NT origin such as Liturgical vestments.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle NT is not more imporant than OT. NT fulfills the OT. both are part of Sacred Scripture. Our traditions have been passed down throughout the centuries, and are of grave importance. Many of them infact symbolize meanings within Sacred Scripture.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 If you can say that, then you are hypocritical for saying one Church is "more valid" than another Church. Never question the validity of another Church & their structure when you barely understand why they even exist.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches are the oldest churches in the whole world. They are responsable for the conversion of the Americas, Africa, and Asia. They follow Apostolic Succession, compiled the Bible, and are valid. They split due to a schism in Hiarchial structure. Protestantism (besides Anglicanism which to some extent is not protestant) broke away because of theological differences, seen as heresy.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 All that you stated was well and true, but the details that you didnt mention are what stands out and make sense of who is in error & who isn't. Anglicans left because a foul king; Martin Luther left because of a foul Pope. They cannot be placed in the same category. Orthodox left because of the Popes claims to power that never existed for him before, & by them changing the Nicene Creed illegally.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 Many of them do, true. However, many of them dont. I know about the traditions of the RCC. The difference is I also know about the origins of many of them as well, & some of them are completely off (i.e. RC Mariology, Papal Infallibility, Papal Supremacy, Clerical Celibacy, etc.)
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle we actually have biblical verses to support all of those, and there are hundreds of documents and books written by catholic theologians on the subjects. Marian veneration comes from our belief in her being the New Ark of the Covenant. Clerical Celibacy comes from Christ's celibacy, and following his example (Eastern catholic priests can marry, only those in Latin Rite can't), Purgatory comes from our belief in redemption, and being cleansed before entering God's presence, etc.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 Viewing Mary as "Co-redemtrix", a New Ark, or queen of Heaven is heretical in all ways & no scripture supports it; Peter & other Apostles were married, therefore clerical celibacy as a rule is not Biblical & illegal by Canon Law; Purgatory is mentioned only vaguely in one scripture of the Apocrypha, & the Apostles never spoke or taught on it at all; the ONLY thing that the Apostles taught to cleansed you was the blood of Jesus & the Word of God.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle
you are quite right about redemption coming through the Sacrifice but remember the Bible post-dates the Catholic Church. St. Jerome gave the church the Canon, therefore in a real sense the Catholic Church is the guardian of Biblical Teaching so the Book can not over rule Tradition or Apostolic Teaching.
idle44 1 year ago
@idle44 I agree with you here (except for the part about St. Jerome, for there were others who provided Canons, & St. Jeromes wasn't the final decision). Now, the issue is the term "Catholic Church". The term Catholic Church pre-dates the present RCC. It was stated during a time when all of the Church was in unity. I time of Papal Primacy, not Papal Supremacy. It is a term that is not to be claimed solely by the RCC, but to be shared by all true Christians. No one branch can thug the others.
streets2apostle 11 months ago
To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
solarfar 1 year ago
. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.that acounts for two the spirit the flesh.and the ghost is the comfort.makeing it three.
solarfar 1 year ago
Why is it such a big deal to become a Catholic? Aren't we all universally "the church." None of this ever made sense to me, I left the Catholic Church because they would not stop preaching they are the best church, the one filled with the whole truth. All that matters in my eyes is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
sweetgothicrevenge 1 year ago
@sweetgothicrevenge A person can live on bread and water, but is that how you want to live? Do you not realize the truth and beauty that God offers us in a bountiful goodness of food and drink? Why then limit yourself to "a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. How is it that you know of Jesus? From the Bible, who assembled the Bible? The Catholic Church... Everything single church that is not the one true Catholic church takes away from the church that Jesus himself started.
timothyschrock 1 year ago
know this jesus.eyes like fire like crystals. hair like wool white like a fishermans .robe long. shoes has gold in a furnace.with a golden sash .he came down himself.was made man lived among men .thats how john saw him in the midst so did i in 1993.who ever so belive in me i will save .thats his word.he is god john saw him in his true form spirit..stop the sqaubleing.hold fast to jesus.he is very real
solarfar 1 year ago
What's this jazz about the "true" church, RC, C of E, Baptist, Lutherian, etc., what does it matter ! The important for me is that we are all Christians in the eye of God.
Instead of prying all the churches apart, lets try unite them, to understand each other. That would be the true Christian spirit ... Didn't Our Lord say "My house has many rooms ...."
livesteam 1 year ago
@livesteam What I find amazing in the protestant world is the collection of churches in towns, right across the street from each other, a baptist church here, first church of christ here, mennonite there... Does it strengthen Christianity to have 25,000 different denomonations? The one true church founded by Jesus is the Catholic Church. He said to Peter (1st Bishop of Rome, aka POPE) "Peter you are the rock and upon this rock I will build MY chruch."
timothyschrock 1 year ago
The analogy of the Eastern Rite churchs is flawed. Those are truly apostolic churchs. Their priesthoods & sacraments are real. Still, I love this development. Pp. Bene XVI is so bold in restoring Christ's Church. He is harvesting the seed that Pp. JP II sowed. I am amazed @ how many Anglican are in the world. I think that this arrangement will lay a foundation for even the more evangelical type Anglicans who are turning to African bishops. The coming collapse of Western Civ. is curious.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
this gives me the creeps. just proves to me that the rcc is all religion and no relationship with God. The scripture regarding having a form of religion but denying the power seems so true of the rcc.
SONOFGODALSO 1 year ago
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGA VIDA Y PROSPERIDAD ALA SANTISIMA IGLESIA CATOLICA.
lucasdaniel2711 1 year ago
@lucasdaniel2711 Viva!!!
kurthdavid00 1 year ago
does this ecumenism really work? i am very sceptical but maybe it works.
henrikhankhagnell 1 year ago
We have little record of the 100 years from 1492 when nearly three continents of peoples were brought to ruination and slavery by the Spanish and Portuguese in the name of the Roman Church. Britain and the States also drank deeply from the bloody cup of enslavement. However, so long as the Roman Church, Spain and Portugal have not fully confessed their crimes their guilt remains a living truth. The tax records of the inquisition and the witness of the Roman Church should all be made public.
NovellaSardinia 1 year ago
Saruman, subverted to the All Seeing Eye in the pause between parts of the more recent 30 years war (WWI and II).
The Two Towers unite to Mordors benefit.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
Wow! "full communion", that sounds an exciting future prospect!
tjpob1 1 year ago
Do Christians know what sacred message the Quran delivers to Muslims?
Even the so-called moderate Muslims don’t know the true message of Quran
If they had studied the Quran, they would either become extremists or abandon it.
There is no room for such kinds as 'moderate' Muslims in Islam.
Burning the Quran is not new in Islam. Their 3rd Caliph and the son-in-law of Muhammad, Othman, had burned the 6 out of 7 versions of the Quran, while compiling the version that exist today. (faithfreedom.o r g)
miladmeah 1 year ago
idolaters, heirs of hell and darkness, servants of Lucifer. Put in your head that idolaters will not inherit the kingdom of God. Palm Satan is knocking succeeded in bringing together these idiots for Anglicans within the realm of Hell.
pertencoacristo 1 year ago
@pertencoacristo Worshipping Jesus in the Church the HE founded isn't idolatry. If anyone is going to Hell, it would be you, heretic.
MrJ567 1 year ago
@pertencoacristo lets just get this strait dude. The anglican faith was created so that king henry VIII could marry Anne Boleyn, a women who supposedly had three breasts and 11 fingers. So even at your point of view, i think more people would join the catholic faith, headed by satan, than a faith started by some fat king who had a fetish for women with three tits
MrBronbron 1 year ago
@MrBronbron You seem to be having trouble with facts, so I recommend you pick up a book with the right facts and to learn about history.
gustavo2828 1 year ago
@gustavo2828 wow umm how about wikipedia."before separating from Rome in 1534 during the reign of King Henry VIII""Henry VIII wanted an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn." Yep doesnt get any simpler than that. Waut maybe, " Henry VII wanted children and catherine was older, so he married an ugly girl to give him heirs and send him to hell,but it didnt work so he married half a dozen more after chopping her head off." yep thats simpler
MrBronbron 1 year ago
@gustavo2828 o yes i do believe ive debated with you before and youve said the same thing, maybe you should get a general history book at your local library, im pretty sure you can get a library card, if not you can read it as long as you stay in the building. Also as a hobby, I like taking statistics, and if you blabber crap out you have a 99% chance of being powned by a junior high school student, since they the same amount as you do
MrBronbron 1 year ago
@MrBronbron headed by satan?!? dude pick up your bible for once, quit following the protestant "conspiracy", if you read intelligentely and open heartedly, you will see it is the church Christ established on Earth. If it is headed by satan as you say, how come Catholic priests come in the name of Christ to carry out exorcisms, your choice. Follow fact or myth
pimper347 1 year ago
@pimper347 if you wouldve read my other comments i was using satire.. Also,which bible the catholic bible the one that has been used by christians for 2 millenium or the NIV which has so many mess ups it calls jesus a god.Also, anyone can carry out an exorcism by saying god commands or jesus commands, its just dangerous.
MrBronbron 1 year ago
@MrBronbron The Canon of Scripture is not a subject you want to dispute. For starters, NO COUNCIL had the authority to declare the Canon closed, for who can Silence GOD? Even if GOD granted such authority to an Ecumenical Council, none of the Councils which declared the Canon of Scripture for their respective denomination were Ecumenical. The Council of Trent only involved Roman Catholics. Where was the rest of the Church? Why weren't they invited?
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle there is only one true church streets 2 apostle. why would we need 2 invite heretics to come to our councils, we did that at vatican II but its not required since technically your going against the scripture and have broken from his church in some way. God did give us the authority to bind and loose Matt 16:18
MrBronbron 1 year ago
@MrBronbron Did God give the Church the authority to bind or loose His very Word? You are right, there is but one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church, but Rome has left it long ago. Do you agree with what the Pope did in order to cause Martin Luther to leave? If so, then you are the true heretic. Read up on Church History. Rome never had the sole claim on the term "Catholic", and they never will. Bishop Ignatius of Antioch defined it, not any Roman Bishop. Look it up before claiming it.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle perhaps you should look up the meaning .. does the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus(without the church there is no salvation) mean anything to you? The pope didnt cause martin luther to leave,his mind did. Martin Luther was crazy and didnt follow the bibles teachings. He let one man keep 2 wives he took out parts of the bible and said on faith alone you are saved but wasnt it jesus that said in matthew 7:21 not everyone who cries lord will enter the kingdom of god
MrBronbron 1 year ago
@streets2apostle the Council of Trent was the Catholic Church's reaction to the Protestant Reformation.. it was to reform and change this within the CATHOLIC church.. the protestants would not have taken part, as it was a council for the Catholic Church on Catholic matters.. the Lutherans wanted nothing to do with the Catholic Church at the time, nor did the Anglicans.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@willthacheerleader18 The Protestant Reformation was the Holy Spirit's reaction to heresy placed up by Pope Leo X, a thieving, homosexual anti-Pope! The Catholic Church didn't attend the Council of Trent, for the Catholic Church is not just made up of Rome. The TRUE Catholic Church is made up of all of Christ's people, just just those under the Roman Archbishop. Learn what St. Ignatius said concerning the Catholic Church & see that it doesn't just mean the Roman Catholic Church.
streets2apostle 1 year ago
@streets2apostle not entirely true. part of the reformation i beleive was divinly inspired, but not all of it. The Catholic Church made some big mistakes (which they have publically apologized for). Martin Luther did not originally want to leave the Catholic Church. The reformation should have reformed, not lead to knew churches. That is the part not guided by the Spirit. Reform comes from the Spirit, breaking away is a flaw by man. We still believe non-Catholics are part of the universal church
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
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@willthacheerleader18 How can you say "We still believe non-Catholics are part of the Universal Church"? The Universal Church IS the Catholic Church! Do not refer to the RCC in such a way as to indicate that it alone stands as rightfully being Catholic if you are to acknowledge others as rightfully being Christi