The host shouldn't have let the bishop rant like that at the start. He starts by talking about how you can't get rid of Christianity, and goes onto say you shouldn't mock Auschwitz. When asked what he thinks about the film. Moron, no wonder the membership of his church has halved in recent decades, while Pythons remain as popular as ever.
The whole debate I kept waiting for some one to say 'cut'. I find it quite depressing to know this occasion of narrow mindedness and malice actually occurred.
On another note, the Pythons got some funny remarks in, at least.
@jorchs83 FACTSLAM!!!! Levites were the specific caste of Jews charged with administering temple rites. Lots of Jews are named Cohen. FACTSLAM ENDED!!!!!
This is by no means the "most complete" version of the debate. You cut everything together, so that it would ridicule the bishops (although I bet they laughed at some scenes, because noone could resist xD)
I'm glad Life of Brian was made, it points out how broken the religious system is. Just watch the news and all the hate that is connected to religion. I'm spiritual but will NEVER follow any religion. It's all a scam anyhow.
malcom muggeridge...the fucking old fraud of mountebank and the condescending bishop can kiss my ass...that movie is one of the greatest films i have ever seen.
@acasouk You mean the one who thinks he's God? Sorry, Jesus, no sorry wrong again. Well, at least I can admit I'm wrong. What my problem with this man is, is IF HE ACTUALLY 'SAW' THE FILM, he would realise that 'Brian' (sorry, Jesus) is being followed by people who are calling him a messiah, (of which was VERY COMMON in those days) and which he was always denying that he was. Additonally, WHO SAID they were ridiculing Jesus or God? If anything they would be ridiculing mistakenly named messiahs.
Too right....and undiluted hypocrisy from Muggeridge, a notorious Lothario and seducer of married women in his younger days who suddenly embraced Christianity when the Pearly Gates hove into view. A believer manque if ever there was one.
@Crochetify I have no idea who Muggeridge is and have no desire to find out, but Palin, Cleese, Jones, Idle and Chapman are supreme British trademarks of humour, cleverness and the unexpected, and will stay engraved in popular memory long after the other two nameless gentlemen in this spot. So I hope at least.
@vixiki I totally agree. He was a self proclaimed agnostic in his younger days, an author and satirist who edited Punch. He underwent a "Damascene" conversion to Christianity at the age of 66 after he'd spent most of his life as an iconoclastic hedonist. In other words the worst kind of hypocrite.
the funniest bit of the whole debate is that there is no debate. Jesus is shown once, respectfully, and everything else is a satire of a historically accurate depiction of jerusalem. ah the religious and their penchant for being offended.
Life of Brian is one of the best films ever and is recognized as such. Those two religious asses calling it 10th rate didn't have a clue. Jesus is not ridiculed... but Christians are. That's why they hated it. It hit a nerve. Jesus probably would have enjoyed it and laughed at the fools following Brian's sandal.
Deluded, misguided, conservative, narrow minded, ugly people. Their condemnation of any original thought is typical of almost all people of Christian, Jewish or Muslim faith.
@helpimafishcake just because for your generalization of your accusation to people of all three faiths, you are sir, in fact, a deluded, misguided, conservative, narrow minded, ugly person..... Enjoy!!!
Seeing how shallow those two old gits (Malcome and Mervyn) is priceless.
Life of Brian dared to say 'Lighten up people' and look the Pythons are legends for it. The Bishop's beliefs have constantly ended up with egg on their face since.
@ind0ctr1n3 Oh, sorry, I meant the "why lampoon death?" bit. I personally don't have a problem with the fact that the movie makes jokes to do with crucifixion, but I can see that it's a delicate subject. Not because it was Jesus, because I don't feel Jesus was any more important than anyone else, but simply because it was really barbaric and horrible.
Why do people always have to insist that their opinion is the the right one? On so many videos like this, I see atheists, Christians, Democrats, Republicans, and the ilk arguing incessantly and insisting that their points be heard and accepted. Why can't people just accept the opinions of others, and agree to disagree? Do Christians really need to make everyone believe what they do? And do atheists need to insist that everyone not believe it? It's stubborn malice like this that separates people.
There is no higher Logical thing in the universe than a Theory.
A hypothesis isn't a Theory. It's a thought that is defined as False until Proven Right. A theory is a Thought Thas is defined True until Disproven.
To Disprove a theory need you to Use the same Question as the theory then do experiments to get an observation which leads to new questions and so on till you have a proof that is Proven that your hypothesis is in fact a theory.
Christians do not have a Theory. They have nothing.
Aren't Christians supposed to turn the other cheek and forgive? At least history will be kind to both that Christ bloke and the Pythons. As for the two old farts on the left, I haven't heard sight nor sound from them for decades. Thank Christ!
@Stereovaccine but there was nothing to forgive, they did nothing wrong. Also, historically christians are not forgiving at all, just look at the inquisitions initiated by the catholic church. So if anything, these men are conforming to the stereotype!
@MattDominicCullen Quite agree. How many crusades, purges and slaughters have been carried out over the centuries? I did laugh though when you said 'inquisitions' in your post and I half expected Michael Palin to run in with a red costume on! Cheers.
it's such a shame that the ones that defend religion don't get the movie. palin says himself its not about him its about the people that didnt listen and didnt get it. in no way they are being blasphemous , insulting wochever you want to call it. im christian myself and thankfully wide awake and with both my feet on the ground to know. this is a great . one of the best movies ever made. :) thank you monthy pythom
What's most disturbing about this is that not only did the story of Jesus (whoever or whatever he was) inspire great art again (the movie, which is arguably one of the watersheds moments in satire) but that this "10th rate" work was only UNBANNED in the UK in 1995. That's only 16 years ago!!
Amazing. 21st Century.... all the evolutions of mankind.... all the endless wars and religious violence, and still people go on and on believing in the Jesus crap. When I was 5 I heard Santa Clause wasn't real. I wanted to believe in it anyways, but my child's brain had no trouble thinking of the logistics involved with an overweight greybearded man traveling to every house in one night and giving the desired gifts to only the good children. The bible is twice as ridiculous. Grow up.
@Halfdan1 so the creators of this movie treat religion with respect as they state themselves. and they made one of the best comedy movies ever. but you feel the need to tell evryone that is religious , wichever they may follow to grow up. due to your own childhood? i feel sorry for you :)
malcolm muggeridge was a sactimonious ole philanderer who traded amorality for christianity after a life of objectifying women and hid firmly behind the catholic credo banging everyone else over the head with it . . . in his later years his incisive intellect possessed the objectivity and perspicacity of a teaspoon.
@cunninm1874 yes if you watch the film 'Holy Flying Circus' (which re-enacts this debate) fry would have been a shoe in for playing southwark as they share they same arrogance.. pointless fiddling of their glasses.. over talking and pathetic attempts at pandering to the crowd. instead he was cast as 'god' which i'm sure he approved of and will soon feature in the next documentary he makes that circumvents the actual subject while pointing the camera directly at his mediocre oeuvre.
I love that in "Holy Flying Circus" they actually relayed the whole debate word for word... well except for the thing with the glass pitcher and the Nazi march and the head-bleeding
Muggeridge's point about the musical number during the crucifiction being disgusting only sounds reasonable when you haven't seen the film. In context it's strangely uplifting
what got me was that muggeridge and the bishop didn't see the first 15 mins of the film before commencing their ill-informed diatribe. it did them no favours
Having watched the film and the interview, I can only say that Muggeridge and the bishop are completely blinded by their faith. To the end they refused to believe that Brian was anything but a representation of Jesus. Throughout the interview they try and make cheap jabs rather than informed argument, and insist that only Christians have made great art. They just come across as pompous, stupid, arrogant and wrong.
The only position I would defend Christianity on, is that I would rather live in a modern moderate Christian country... than a modern Islamic country. Islam doesn't lend itself to moderation, because of the strictness and adherence to "One Book". Whereas, Christianity is far more moderate in general. I love that we can call Jesus a cunt and not fear attack... and another person can sit and pray to Jesus without fear of attack. That's a triumph for civilization.
We are lucky in that Christian extremists have been largely tamed, by science and satire, in the "modern" West. We can compare current fundamentalist Islam countries to medieval Europe, when Christianity had as much political clout as radical Islam has now, in certain countries. Remember the Crusades? Remember the Inquisition?
I agree it's a triumph for civilisation, but NOT a triumph for religion.
@Boodysaspie I totally agree. Christianity has centuries of blood on its hands. Torturing people for daring to own a bible in English for example... how awful and wrong can you be? But modern Christianity, with the exception of the institutionalized child abuse you see in the Catholic Church and the Protestant/ Catholic battles in Ireland has become moderate. I'd love that to happen in Islam, and I hope it's possible for that to happen. The One book thing is what stops it I believe.
It was on after Holy Flying Circus. If you live in the UK, it will still be available for the next few days on BBC iPlayer - just go to the iPlayer website and search for 'Friday Night, Saturday Morning'.
I used to be a Christian... part of one of those "evangelical churches" i was swept up by a cute woman (they used the big breasted ones for hugs and the phrase "flirt to convert" so i was baited and hooked because i was weak & fragile at the time, i worked my way up the ranks (as they do) and low & behold it was a load of old toss... money, thats all their after money, "Tithing" they call it, bunch of fucking nutters the lot of them, we as humans are naturally kind etc, don't need their BS.
thanks cunninim watched holy flying circus and it was hilarious just as life of brian was! it shouldnt effect your faith. it was meant to make people of all faiths LAUGH! and that cant be a bad thing in my view,going to watch full interview without censorship,as long as we get along as human beings thats the main thing.ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE!
"You'll get your 30 pieces of silver, I'm sure???" What a lousy remark by someone whom heads an organisation that has betrayed and used and ripped off people for centuries and held a position of social control over the masses for years. So nice to see that the church no longer has such a power it once held.
The complete debate can be seen on BBC iPlayer, but I don't know for how long, but you should watch "Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers".
The fact that the audience was laughing at the clips shown on the show at the time shows how ridiculous the censorship thing was. People hand minds of their own to make up and seeing how utterly closed minded, bullish and prejudiced the 'opposition' were would sway them even more!
What annoyed me the most is that they did not 'watch' the film with an open mind. No matter what Muggeridge said, he clearly had not got an open mind to it, otherwise, he would have let the Pythons actually explain.
I remember watching it the first time... what pomposity. Has anyone got a clip of the opening credits to Friday Night, Saturday Morning? they were great.
Does anyone else find the Bishop's hand movements and waffling completely hilarious? Just watched the whole thing for the first time on BBC4 and I loved it when Cleese implied that this was like a Python sketch in itself, because I've always thought this.
The accusations are ridiculous! I'm a Christian and I LOVED this film. It wasn't making fun of Christian teachings at all, or Jesus, or anything like that. It was saying don't just believe everything you're told at face value. Question things, think for yourself. And I absolutely hate how they put down the final scene. I think that is the most beautiful scene in cinema history, saying even in the darkest situations, keep smiling, stay happy, look on the bright side!
I Must Say That I am A Proud Christian, and I LOVE The Life Of Brian!!! It's one of the Greatest Comedy Films Ever made, and certainly My Favorite Piece of Monty Python Work! I find it not at all offensive, and Find every moment absolutely Hilarious! :D
@mutley26 Well to be completely honest I didn't really realize I was doing it :L I see now that you are right, and I think it is just something I do when using sites such as this and Facebook. Clearly I'm not really doing it now, as you've flagged up the topic, but still you are right. Sorry I have no useful or meaningful answers for you :)
funny how the sermon on the mount scene in LOB was mocking people who misunderstand the words of jesus, meanwhile Monty Python are having a televised debate with two moronically stupid Christians who completely miss the gist of what Life of Brian was all about.
I love how those christian fundamentalists come at these creative geniuses with hate and animosity... very revealing! I think they must have thought, yes we've shown the world their true ugliness.Anyway, I'm 100% sure Jesus would side with Monty Python. Infact, he'd be moved to take a horsewhip to the back of that rancid old bishop
I think the Monty Python crew with have earned far more than their 30 pieces of silver....and rightfully so .... perhaps the religious nuts should watch the beginning of the movie "Zeitgeist" and explain that......
To me, the bishop just liked the sound of his own voice, went on and on about nothing in particular. Best point made by Michael Palin in that people of the Christian faith can still laugh at the Life Of Brian, while it not affecting their faith whatsoever.
The jesus supporters just make themselves look lazy, ill-informed, brainwashed, and full of quotes they assume are facts, when they clearly are not. Freedom of speech reigns! Do they not understand how they emphasise the ridiculousness of their beliefs by their absolute lack of any cogent argument, and their insistence on faith without evuidence. They completely fail to understand the points made by cleese and palin, as if their brains automatically filter anything they disagree with. Lol.
2: That old guy asks them if they believe they aren't taking the piss out of one of the most 'sublime utterances' in regards to the sermon on the mount scene.
3: Michael and John explain that they weren't taking the piss out of the sermon, they were taking the piss out of the ignorant populous who mishear and misquote him.
4. The old guy says "But this is such a tenth rate film I don't believe it would disturb anybody's faith."
This was almost unfair. The Python's presented themselves as thoughtful, considerate, highly intelligent and, when pressed, wry and satirical, whereas the opposition appeared exactly like their stereotypes might suggest: stubborn, boring, tedious, colorless and myopic. The Python's deserved better criticism than this. (I say that as a fan of both Life of Brian and Monty Python.) Thank you for putting these clips together!
Still, not a shred of evidence for religion, and yet people still insist on proselytizing about something they admit they are taking on faith. By definition, taking something on faith means you have no evidence for it.
The day humanity evolves beyond religion will be an enlightened day indeed.
I think it's bemusing that if they're remembered at all by the generation born in the 90s Muggeridge and whatsisface the Bishop of Southwark are remembered only for this 'debate'. And yet Monty Python lives on. We sang 'Always look on the Bright Side of Life' at my father's funeral; no priest was in attendance.
at 4:15 you can see how John Cleese is one of the greatest persons ever to have walked on Earth... I would've just got up and slapped that bishop across his face for being such an asshole
During the entire first shot of the bishop talking, I can't help but notice that the bottom half of his cross is out of shot and makes the top half look like a dick.
Thanks for uploading this as I have never seen more than the odd moment of this debate. How Michael Palin did not lose his cool I have no idea. He looks like he could cheerfully give either Stockwood or Muggeridge a slap. Unfortunately both appear to have made their minds up about the film before viewing it from what I can see.
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 no question there have been some bad bishops in the past, just as there were some good ones too. But it seems under your logic that any Socialist alive today is also "doing the devil's work", nobody seriously doubts horrific crimes were committed in Russia, China & elsewhere under by Socialists.
Surely we should judge each individual person on their behaviour and not on what was done hundreds of years before that person was even born?
When a the present pope actively covered up CHILD RAPE and by their acquiescence the lower ranks said nothing they are all guilty,AND THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO IS IT .
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 Yes the Catholic Church is still causing harm today, but the Church of England split from the Catholic Church about 500 years ago, the Bishop wasn't a Catholic.
Church of England founded by King Henry VIII of England, the womanising sulking Tudor monarch whose six wives had to fear execution, divorce, and death;as well as avoiding venereal disease thats really some one to follow.
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 hmmm,....nice try, King Henry VIII also founded the royal navy, so is the modern royal navy also very wicked because it was founded by a bad king?
If you want to claim the Bishop was a bad person doing bad actions you need a bit of evidence about on the Church of England not taken from medivial history, or modern crimes committed by other churches.
Campaigners have called the Church of England's failure to tell police about an ex-choirmaster who sexually abused children "totally irresponsible".Peter Halliday, 61, from Farnborough, Hants, was jailed for 30 months after admitting sex offences from the 1980s. BBC News learned he admitted the abuse 17 years ago, but left the Church quietly on condition he had no further contact with children SURE BET HE DID this recent enought 2007
@STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 Letters from 1966 between the then Archbishop of Canterbury and a bishop show the Church agreed that a convicted paedophile should be ordained.The retired senior judge said she believed priest Roy Cotton had at least 10 victims,CollinPritchard served as the vicar of St Barnabas, Bexhill, until 2007 after being arrested over sex abuse claims. In 2008 he pleaded guilty to sexually abusing boys in the 80s and was jailed for five years.RECENT ENOUGH FOR YOU
Self-righteous old farts.
KajiCarson 4 days ago
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phxsns1 1 month ago
Comedy overpowers the cross.
15Peter30 1 month ago
The host shouldn't have let the bishop rant like that at the start. He starts by talking about how you can't get rid of Christianity, and goes onto say you shouldn't mock Auschwitz. When asked what he thinks about the film. Moron, no wonder the membership of his church has halved in recent decades, while Pythons remain as popular as ever.
mankytoes 1 month ago
@acasouk Yes, me too. She's a funny lady.
RafaelSantosRS 1 month ago
On the first question the bishop rambled on without actually answering it. He should've been a politician.
goodie23 2 months ago
The whole debate I kept waiting for some one to say 'cut'. I find it quite depressing to know this occasion of narrow mindedness and malice actually occurred.
On another note, the Pythons got some funny remarks in, at least.
killerwhaleocelot 2 months ago
Anyone named Cohen could not be the Messiah anyway. Cohen is a Levite name and not a Jewish one.
jorchs83 2 months ago in playlist LOL
@jorchs83 FACTSLAM!!!! Levites were the specific caste of Jews charged with administering temple rites. Lots of Jews are named Cohen. FACTSLAM ENDED!!!!!
jeremiahjc 1 month ago
This is by no means the "most complete" version of the debate. You cut everything together, so that it would ridicule the bishops (although I bet they laughed at some scenes, because noone could resist xD)
Ephrones 2 months ago
@acasouk I read this comment a week ago and I'm still laughing.
tab2522 2 months ago
@acasouk
lol, I agree
ataralasratas 2 months ago
I'm glad Life of Brian was made, it points out how broken the religious system is. Just watch the news and all the hate that is connected to religion. I'm spiritual but will NEVER follow any religion. It's all a scam anyhow.
cnr1993 2 months ago
malcom muggeridge...the fucking old fraud of mountebank and the condescending bishop can kiss my ass...that movie is one of the greatest films i have ever seen.
vaibhav1P 2 months ago
glasses on or off...make up your mind
kochos777 2 months ago
denial.
ChileanMiracle 2 months ago
@acasouk You mean the one who thinks he's God? Sorry, Jesus, no sorry wrong again. Well, at least I can admit I'm wrong. What my problem with this man is, is IF HE ACTUALLY 'SAW' THE FILM, he would realise that 'Brian' (sorry, Jesus) is being followed by people who are calling him a messiah, (of which was VERY COMMON in those days) and which he was always denying that he was. Additonally, WHO SAID they were ridiculing Jesus or God? If anything they would be ridiculing mistakenly named messiahs.
MichaelPalinFan2008 3 months ago
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HowlMagic95 3 months ago
Oh I don't like christian fanatics who think they're always right and that everybody who disagrees with them are wrong.
HowlMagic95 3 months ago 2
what an utter idiot... then gain he is a christian... so i can see where it comes from
MartianSanta 3 months ago
The Bishop talking about silver.... while he wear a massive silver cross?? ... Typical...
oscarmcmc 3 months ago 2
@oscarmcmc iz cos its bling innit...
Fanglespangle 2 months ago
Holy Flying Circus played this off very well
AlistairAI 3 months ago
Too right....and undiluted hypocrisy from Muggeridge, a notorious Lothario and seducer of married women in his younger days who suddenly embraced Christianity when the Pearly Gates hove into view. A believer manque if ever there was one.
Crochetify 3 months ago
@Crochetify I have no idea who Muggeridge is and have no desire to find out, but Palin, Cleese, Jones, Idle and Chapman are supreme British trademarks of humour, cleverness and the unexpected, and will stay engraved in popular memory long after the other two nameless gentlemen in this spot. So I hope at least.
vixiki 3 months ago 2
@vixiki I totally agree. He was a self proclaimed agnostic in his younger days, an author and satirist who edited Punch. He underwent a "Damascene" conversion to Christianity at the age of 66 after he'd spent most of his life as an iconoclastic hedonist. In other words the worst kind of hypocrite.
Crochetify 3 months ago
@Crochetify Indeed. Now let's worship the Python for a bit : )
I can't seem to post a link, but there is a great counter-sketch, "Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers"
vixiki 3 months ago
@vixiki Also, I write like an idiot : ) ('I can't seem to be able to post...)
vixiki 3 months ago
People like Palin and Clease make me proud to be British. And a great response from the crowd to just laugh in the face on the other two morons.
Remember kids, god didn't make humans. Humans made god...
66tomm99 3 months ago 4
Watching idiots like that cunt in purple speak just makes me depressed.
LukeGriffths121 3 months ago
the funniest bit of the whole debate is that there is no debate. Jesus is shown once, respectfully, and everything else is a satire of a historically accurate depiction of jerusalem. ah the religious and their penchant for being offended.
jabbott376 3 months ago
'You started with an open mind, I respect that' I love Palin!
DODODADATUMTEETAAA 3 months ago 15
3:46 - 3:49 he shows his true colours as a bigot. I guess it was ok in those days.
stoltobot 3 months ago
the greatest comedy is religion
lmizuki5 3 months ago
ah the ignorance of those brainwashed by religious faith. only listen to the appraisle of the unprovable lord
jadekillcity 3 months ago
Are there any full length, un-edited clips of this anywhere? I can't seem to find any ...
peeteey 3 months ago
The bishop is the funniest guy in that clip. Although he is obviously trying to be serious and pissed off :-)
ruudcologne 3 months ago
Angry Michael Palin = sexy Michael Palin
Oli3TB76 3 months ago 3
@Oli3TB76 yes indeed ;)
funkybij1 3 months ago
Pompous, ignorant, and rude people, those religious crows.
Nanaman12345 3 months ago
Life of Brian is one of the best films ever and is recognized as such. Those two religious asses calling it 10th rate didn't have a clue. Jesus is not ridiculed... but Christians are. That's why they hated it. It hit a nerve. Jesus probably would have enjoyed it and laughed at the fools following Brian's sandal.
CerdicTheGreat 3 months ago 2
really good editing, nice compilation, good job!
RobbieApok 3 months ago
Deluded, misguided, conservative, narrow minded, ugly people. Their condemnation of any original thought is typical of almost all people of Christian, Jewish or Muslim faith.
helpimafishcake 3 months ago
@helpimafishcake just because for your generalization of your accusation to people of all three faiths, you are sir, in fact, a deluded, misguided, conservative, narrow minded, ugly person..... Enjoy!!!
haithamofarabia1 3 months ago
IT'S THE BISHOP!
magicjonny 3 months ago 2
What a gay bishop!
tomski70 3 months ago
8:53 SNAP!
OskarHellstroem 3 months ago
thanks for posting this !
MrRubzyyy 3 months ago
The priest talks for far too long at the beginning.
Twiggiman007 3 months ago
Seeing how shallow those two old gits (Malcome and Mervyn) is priceless.
Life of Brian dared to say 'Lighten up people' and look the Pythons are legends for it. The Bishop's beliefs have constantly ended up with egg on their face since.
stufaman 4 months ago
05:35 Even as a great admirer of the film, and as a completely unreligious person, I can sort of sympathise with the Bishop on this one point.
CecilyHeron 4 months ago
@CecilyHeron Kind of a vague description of what he said, you mean what he said about the crucifiction or brian not being jesus?
ind0ctr1n3 4 months ago
@ind0ctr1n3 Oh, sorry, I meant the "why lampoon death?" bit. I personally don't have a problem with the fact that the movie makes jokes to do with crucifixion, but I can see that it's a delicate subject. Not because it was Jesus, because I don't feel Jesus was any more important than anyone else, but simply because it was really barbaric and horrible.
CecilyHeron 4 months ago
Why do people always have to insist that their opinion is the the right one? On so many videos like this, I see atheists, Christians, Democrats, Republicans, and the ilk arguing incessantly and insisting that their points be heard and accepted. Why can't people just accept the opinions of others, and agree to disagree? Do Christians really need to make everyone believe what they do? And do atheists need to insist that everyone not believe it? It's stubborn malice like this that separates people.
tlm19670 4 months ago
@tlm19670 Yes.
Bananadickification 3 months ago
@Bananadickification What is that a yes to?
tlm19670 3 months ago
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Bananadickification 3 months ago
@tlm19670 Yes they do have to be like that.
Bananadickification 3 months ago
There is no higher Logical thing in the universe than a Theory.
A hypothesis isn't a Theory. It's a thought that is defined as False until Proven Right. A theory is a Thought Thas is defined True until Disproven.
To Disprove a theory need you to Use the same Question as the theory then do experiments to get an observation which leads to new questions and so on till you have a proof that is Proven that your hypothesis is in fact a theory.
Christians do not have a Theory. They have nothing.
livedandletdie 4 months ago 6
The founder of Christian Religion was People who were fooled by other people into writing down a book, a book that mostly isn't about Christianity.
And Christians are quite Stupid got something with faith.
Faith means to foolishly go blindly after an ideal that which is unobtainable.
Faith is the belief of something you cannot know.
Knowing is having facts having proofs having observations and having the question. That is to follow the Scientific Method.
livedandletdie 4 months ago
Creationists say God must exist cause everything need a creator.
Scientologists say some alien died to give us souls.
Catholics say the word of God can only be heard through the bible or the Pope.
Protestants are just annoying.
Creationists break their own words by saying everything needs a creator then what created the creator. which is Illogical therefore false.
Scientologists cannot tell how that Alien got a soul.
Catholics well they are molesters of the highest rank.
protestants are annoying
livedandletdie 4 months ago 2
Muggeridge and that priest bloke both aught to take their brains for a shit!
Stereovaccine 4 months ago
i see two old shitheads amongst men
richie8811 4 months ago
Aren't Christians supposed to turn the other cheek and forgive? At least history will be kind to both that Christ bloke and the Pythons. As for the two old farts on the left, I haven't heard sight nor sound from them for decades. Thank Christ!
Stereovaccine 4 months ago
@Stereovaccine but there was nothing to forgive, they did nothing wrong. Also, historically christians are not forgiving at all, just look at the inquisitions initiated by the catholic church. So if anything, these men are conforming to the stereotype!
MattDominicCullen 4 months ago
@MattDominicCullen Quite agree. How many crusades, purges and slaughters have been carried out over the centuries? I did laugh though when you said 'inquisitions' in your post and I half expected Michael Palin to run in with a red costume on! Cheers.
Stereovaccine 4 months ago
@Stereovaccine Nobody expects the spanish inquisition! hahaha :)
MattDominicCullen 4 months ago
god that priest just doesn't shut up
Metalhead7393 4 months ago
go on john
Sharpoon1 4 months ago
good fucking god he can talk his arse off
MysterousBear 4 months ago
4:52 - what does he say before "when i was a schoolmaster"?
MoveOverCasanova 4 months ago
it's such a shame that the ones that defend religion don't get the movie. palin says himself its not about him its about the people that didnt listen and didnt get it. in no way they are being blasphemous , insulting wochever you want to call it. im christian myself and thankfully wide awake and with both my feet on the ground to know. this is a great . one of the best movies ever made. :) thank you monthy pythom
Warcraft20101 4 months ago
What's most disturbing about this is that not only did the story of Jesus (whoever or whatever he was) inspire great art again (the movie, which is arguably one of the watersheds moments in satire) but that this "10th rate" work was only UNBANNED in the UK in 1995. That's only 16 years ago!!
God help us.
cbmtrx 4 months ago
The priest looks like a pimp...
rdknight89 4 months ago
Amazing. 21st Century.... all the evolutions of mankind.... all the endless wars and religious violence, and still people go on and on believing in the Jesus crap. When I was 5 I heard Santa Clause wasn't real. I wanted to believe in it anyways, but my child's brain had no trouble thinking of the logistics involved with an overweight greybearded man traveling to every house in one night and giving the desired gifts to only the good children. The bible is twice as ridiculous. Grow up.
Halfdan1 4 months ago 3
@Halfdan1 so the creators of this movie treat religion with respect as they state themselves. and they made one of the best comedy movies ever. but you feel the need to tell evryone that is religious , wichever they may follow to grow up. due to your own childhood? i feel sorry for you :)
Warcraft20101 4 months ago
God this pope guy rambles on...
TMANZ369 4 months ago 2
'I was blind and now I can see.' - Funniest line!
Indeed999 4 months ago
I... honestly thought this was a Python setup the first time I watched it. Then I realised that the Bishop wasn't funny enough. Just grating.
HanabashiKyoko 4 months ago 2
Mr.Muggeridge is just a silly idiot and always was.
fulfilled123 4 months ago 2
This is my era thats why I am an atheist. Thank you Monty Python.
fulfilled123 4 months ago
malcolm muggeridge was a sactimonious ole philanderer who traded amorality for christianity after a life of objectifying women and hid firmly behind the catholic credo banging everyone else over the head with it . . . in his later years his incisive intellect possessed the objectivity and perspicacity of a teaspoon.
nickstonecarver1 4 months ago
that bishop is a wee bit of a queen....or
he's on the brandy....
heavypizza 4 months ago
Look at the size of that crucifix. He's like an elderly pimp.
Cha4k 4 months ago 3
You can tell that priest can't wait to get back to that kid tied up in the church basement.
leftovers0 4 months ago
Thank you so much for uploading this. I've been looking forever for this and until now only found bits and pieces of it.
FordPerfect 4 months ago
if judas hadn't got his silver.. southwark wouldn't have a job
it seems to me that steven fry has copied the bishop's schtick.. both detestable people
rigby101 4 months ago
@rigby101
eh? Steven Fry?
cunninm1874 4 months ago 23
@cunninm1874 yes if you watch the film 'Holy Flying Circus' (which re-enacts this debate) fry would have been a shoe in for playing southwark as they share they same arrogance.. pointless fiddling of their glasses.. over talking and pathetic attempts at pandering to the crowd. instead he was cast as 'god' which i'm sure he approved of and will soon feature in the next documentary he makes that circumvents the actual subject while pointing the camera directly at his mediocre oeuvre.
rigby101 4 months ago
@cunninm1874 see holy flying circus
EmmittBrownBTTF1 4 months ago
I love that in "Holy Flying Circus" they actually relayed the whole debate word for word... well except for the thing with the glass pitcher and the Nazi march and the head-bleeding
AntiMatterWave 4 months ago 4
Muggeridge's point about the musical number during the crucifiction being disgusting only sounds reasonable when you haven't seen the film. In context it's strangely uplifting
snapeyes 4 months ago 3
Muggeridge and the bishop could not have acquitted them worse with a one eyed salute.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 4 months ago
08:29 Kenneth Collie was also in Star Wars.
JONNOG88 4 months ago
@JONNOG88
Yeah - played one of the imperial admirals in ESB.
cunninm1874 4 months ago
@cunninm1874 Admiral Piett died for our sins.
Concreteowl 4 months ago
@JONNOG88 kenneth colly lives near me
hulmedogcity 4 months ago
what got me was that muggeridge and the bishop didn't see the first 15 mins of the film before commencing their ill-informed diatribe. it did them no favours
mrspivvy 4 months ago
Having watched the film and the interview, I can only say that Muggeridge and the bishop are completely blinded by their faith. To the end they refused to believe that Brian was anything but a representation of Jesus. Throughout the interview they try and make cheap jabs rather than informed argument, and insist that only Christians have made great art. They just come across as pompous, stupid, arrogant and wrong.
adamsimpkin 4 months ago
that bishop and his little monkey are completely ignorant, bigoted cunts
eternalcrumpet 4 months ago
The only position I would defend Christianity on, is that I would rather live in a modern moderate Christian country... than a modern Islamic country. Islam doesn't lend itself to moderation, because of the strictness and adherence to "One Book". Whereas, Christianity is far more moderate in general. I love that we can call Jesus a cunt and not fear attack... and another person can sit and pray to Jesus without fear of attack. That's a triumph for civilization.
SethHesio 4 months ago
@SethHesio
We are lucky in that Christian extremists have been largely tamed, by science and satire, in the "modern" West. We can compare current fundamentalist Islam countries to medieval Europe, when Christianity had as much political clout as radical Islam has now, in certain countries. Remember the Crusades? Remember the Inquisition?
I agree it's a triumph for civilisation, but NOT a triumph for religion.
Boodysaspie 4 months ago
@Boodysaspie I totally agree. Christianity has centuries of blood on its hands. Torturing people for daring to own a bible in English for example... how awful and wrong can you be? But modern Christianity, with the exception of the institutionalized child abuse you see in the Catholic Church and the Protestant/ Catholic battles in Ireland has become moderate. I'd love that to happen in Islam, and I hope it's possible for that to happen. The One book thing is what stops it I believe.
SethHesio 4 months ago
He's not ashamed to wear the cross, now it's a warning sign that a kiddy fiddler is nearby.
sbwords 4 months ago
What a pompus self righteous arse hole the bishop was.
I wonder how pissed off he was when he died to find he'd wasted his oh so holy life.
spangleandmarmite 4 months ago
Does anyone know where I can see the whole interview?
RoDJ99 4 months ago
@RoDJ99
It was on after Holy Flying Circus. If you live in the UK, it will still be available for the next few days on BBC iPlayer - just go to the iPlayer website and search for 'Friday Night, Saturday Morning'.
cunninm1874 4 months ago 10
@cunninm1874 That is gone now... any other place to get it?
Farfromhere001 3 months ago
I used to be a Christian... part of one of those "evangelical churches" i was swept up by a cute woman (they used the big breasted ones for hugs and the phrase "flirt to convert" so i was baited and hooked because i was weak & fragile at the time, i worked my way up the ranks (as they do) and low & behold it was a load of old toss... money, thats all their after money, "Tithing" they call it, bunch of fucking nutters the lot of them, we as humans are naturally kind etc, don't need their BS.
pcvideogamer 4 months ago
I've Just realised from the flash of light at 6:32 ... John Cleese is God ;D
RapidRed222 4 months ago
thanks cunninim watched holy flying circus and it was hilarious just as life of brian was! it shouldnt effect your faith. it was meant to make people of all faiths LAUGH! and that cant be a bad thing in my view,going to watch full interview without censorship,as long as we get along as human beings thats the main thing.ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE!
failvids123 4 months ago
"You'll get your 30 pieces of silver, I'm sure???" What a lousy remark by someone whom heads an organisation that has betrayed and used and ripped off people for centuries and held a position of social control over the masses for years. So nice to see that the church no longer has such a power it once held.
Infomatiks 4 months ago
I just love the Phytons. Life of Brian is one of the greatest comedy films ever made.
jmal7211 4 months ago
Well a Bishop's job is not to be a comedian.
rkisf90 4 months ago
INSPIRED THE SHITEST ART THE WORST TASTE IN EVERYTHING UNTIL THE PYTHON BOYS CREATED THE BEST PEICE OF ART INSPIRED BY THE PERIOD!
hopscotchfilms 4 months ago
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The complete debate can be seen on BBC iPlayer, but I don't know for how long, but you should watch "Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers".
GuillemotWatcher 4 months ago
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GuillemotWatcher 4 months ago
The fact that the audience was laughing at the clips shown on the show at the time shows how ridiculous the censorship thing was. People hand minds of their own to make up and seeing how utterly closed minded, bullish and prejudiced the 'opposition' were would sway them even more!
What annoyed me the most is that they did not 'watch' the film with an open mind. No matter what Muggeridge said, he clearly had not got an open mind to it, otherwise, he would have let the Pythons actually explain.
maccasmiz 4 months ago
I'll wager dollars to doughnuts the Bishop & Muggeridge would not have enjoyed Kevin Smith's Dogma, rubber poop-monster and all.
casusbelli15 4 months ago
I remember watching it the first time... what pomposity. Has anyone got a clip of the opening credits to Friday Night, Saturday Morning? they were great.
JonOakes09 4 months ago
Does anyone else find the Bishop's hand movements and waffling completely hilarious? Just watched the whole thing for the first time on BBC4 and I loved it when Cleese implied that this was like a Python sketch in itself, because I've always thought this.
graemeoliver84 4 months ago
Holy Flying Circus did a brilliant job reenacting the interview~
Like many other people I have just watched it on the TV, and flown to Youtube to see the original.
sparkeythehamster 4 months ago
The accusations are ridiculous! I'm a Christian and I LOVED this film. It wasn't making fun of Christian teachings at all, or Jesus, or anything like that. It was saying don't just believe everything you're told at face value. Question things, think for yourself. And I absolutely hate how they put down the final scene. I think that is the most beautiful scene in cinema history, saying even in the darkest situations, keep smiling, stay happy, look on the bright side!
CaptainAndyman 4 months ago 7
like this if holy flying circus brought you here
rolatrad 4 months ago 21
@rolatrad Lol, I just watched that too~
sparkeythehamster 4 months ago
I Must Say That I am A Proud Christian, and I LOVE The Life Of Brian!!! It's one of the Greatest Comedy Films Ever made, and certainly My Favorite Piece of Monty Python Work! I find it not at all offensive, and Find every moment absolutely Hilarious! :D
TheWatsonater7 4 months ago
@TheWatsonater7 What's with the strange and random capitalisation within the text of your comment?
Just asking.
mutley26 4 months ago
@mutley26 Well to be completely honest I didn't really realize I was doing it :L I see now that you are right, and I think it is just something I do when using sites such as this and Facebook. Clearly I'm not really doing it now, as you've flagged up the topic, but still you are right. Sorry I have no useful or meaningful answers for you :)
TheWatsonater7 4 months ago
funny how the sermon on the mount scene in LOB was mocking people who misunderstand the words of jesus, meanwhile Monty Python are having a televised debate with two moronically stupid Christians who completely miss the gist of what Life of Brian was all about.
EvKrusty 4 months ago
I love how those christian fundamentalists come at these creative geniuses with hate and animosity... very revealing! I think they must have thought, yes we've shown the world their true ugliness.Anyway, I'm 100% sure Jesus would side with Monty Python. Infact, he'd be moved to take a horsewhip to the back of that rancid old bishop
MetrazolElectricity 4 months ago
I hope those haters are alive today to see how stupid and limited they were then.
kubek 4 months ago
There's a drama about the "Life of Brian controversy on BBC 4 on Wednesday 19/10/11, followed by a full screening of this TV debate.
gigsing 4 months ago
i love monty python...all the stuff they had to put up with... <3
hellieweird123 4 months ago
i can't understand what the bishop guy says....he's just drawling....
hellieweird123 4 months ago
I think the Monty Python crew with have earned far more than their 30 pieces of silver....and rightfully so .... perhaps the religious nuts should watch the beginning of the movie "Zeitgeist" and explain that......
rusnmell 4 months ago
To me, the bishop just liked the sound of his own voice, went on and on about nothing in particular. Best point made by Michael Palin in that people of the Christian faith can still laugh at the Life Of Brian, while it not affecting their faith whatsoever.
MartianManhunter1987 4 months ago 3
The jesus supporters just make themselves look lazy, ill-informed, brainwashed, and full of quotes they assume are facts, when they clearly are not. Freedom of speech reigns! Do they not understand how they emphasise the ridiculousness of their beliefs by their absolute lack of any cogent argument, and their insistence on faith without evuidence. They completely fail to understand the points made by cleese and palin, as if their brains automatically filter anything they disagree with. Lol.
sids500 4 months ago 3
Ummmmmmmmm, this movie is about a guy called Brian who gets mistaken for the messiah, not Jesus himself.
They never disrespect him, infact they pay quite a bit of respect to him after the titles.
legodarknight101 4 months ago
1: John says that they aren't ridiculing god.
2: That old guy asks them if they believe they aren't taking the piss out of one of the most 'sublime utterances' in regards to the sermon on the mount scene.
3: Michael and John explain that they weren't taking the piss out of the sermon, they were taking the piss out of the ignorant populous who mishear and misquote him.
4. The old guy says "But this is such a tenth rate film I don't believe it would disturb anybody's faith."
5: Mike owns him.
SirBroadsword 4 months ago
This was almost unfair. The Python's presented themselves as thoughtful, considerate, highly intelligent and, when pressed, wry and satirical, whereas the opposition appeared exactly like their stereotypes might suggest: stubborn, boring, tedious, colorless and myopic. The Python's deserved better criticism than this. (I say that as a fan of both Life of Brian and Monty Python.) Thank you for putting these clips together!
darkprose 4 months ago 2
Wtf is the bishop trying to say
iamrainhawk 4 months ago 2
Love the cock and balls necklace
waikikamou 4 months ago 2
at around 5:30 min the bishops necklace looks like a very naughty thing...
albacheck 5 months ago
Still, not a shred of evidence for religion, and yet people still insist on proselytizing about something they admit they are taking on faith. By definition, taking something on faith means you have no evidence for it.
The day humanity evolves beyond religion will be an enlightened day indeed.
smujismuj 5 months ago 5
And yet again, we see that Christians, are in essence, retarded.
HolyReaperX01 5 months ago
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The bishop had a sense of humour.
marcluc1988 5 months ago
The bishop's "let's chew on my glasses to hide my idiocy" failed.
DrMadolite 5 months ago 4
How do I get hold of the full debate???
marcohorowitz8 5 months ago
I think it's bemusing that if they're remembered at all by the generation born in the 90s Muggeridge and whatsisface the Bishop of Southwark are remembered only for this 'debate'. And yet Monty Python lives on. We sang 'Always look on the Bright Side of Life' at my father's funeral; no priest was in attendance.
Faboba 5 months ago
Bishop, what are you doing? Don't mention communism around John Cleese.
theAngryscotman 5 months ago
Jesus, what a long-winded fuck.
UncleJunkyard 6 months ago
And John Cleese said unto thee: "Where two or more shall meet, there they shall do the parrot sketch".
UncleJunkyard 6 months ago
The Bishop!
Toasty667 6 months ago
at 4:15 you can see how John Cleese is one of the greatest persons ever to have walked on Earth... I would've just got up and slapped that bishop across his face for being such an asshole
S1rJoso 6 months ago
During the entire first shot of the bishop talking, I can't help but notice that the bottom half of his cross is out of shot and makes the top half look like a dick.
Yeah, I'll admit, I have a dirty mind :P
mollyrulz9999 6 months ago
The bad faith of Cleese & Co. is simply astounding! But then, they knew full-well on which side their bread was buttered
Matthysable 6 months ago
It's somewhat pythonesque that Michael Palin and John Cleese are the serious ones here, and Muggeridge and the Bishop are the ones acting ridiculous.
landshark295 6 months ago
Thanks for uploading this as I have never seen more than the odd moment of this debate. How Michael Palin did not lose his cool I have no idea. He looks like he could cheerfully give either Stockwood or Muggeridge a slap. Unfortunately both appear to have made their minds up about the film before viewing it from what I can see.
tramac1964 6 months ago
And I am sure the bishop will get is 30 priece's of silver for doing the devil's work.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 6 months ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 What do you mean by that?
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 5 months ago
@STEPHENWRAYSFORD33
jUST DO SOME RESEACH INTO THE CHURCH TO SEE WHAT EVIL BASTARDS THEY ARE dam the caps are on
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 no question there have been some bad bishops in the past, just as there were some good ones too. But it seems under your logic that any Socialist alive today is also "doing the devil's work", nobody seriously doubts horrific crimes were committed in Russia, China & elsewhere under by Socialists.
Surely we should judge each individual person on their behaviour and not on what was done hundreds of years before that person was even born?
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 5 months ago
@STEPHENWRAYSFORD33
When a the present pope actively covered up CHILD RAPE and by their acquiescence the lower ranks said nothing they are all guilty,AND THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO IS IT .
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 Yes the Catholic Church is still causing harm today, but the Church of England split from the Catholic Church about 500 years ago, the Bishop wasn't a Catholic.
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 5 months ago
@STEPHENWRAYSFORD33
Church of England founded by King Henry VIII of England, the womanising sulking Tudor monarch whose six wives had to fear execution, divorce, and death;as well as avoiding venereal disease thats really some one to follow.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 hmmm,....nice try, King Henry VIII also founded the royal navy, so is the modern royal navy also very wicked because it was founded by a bad king?
If you want to claim the Bishop was a bad person doing bad actions you need a bit of evidence about on the Church of England not taken from medivial history, or modern crimes committed by other churches.
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 5 months ago
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1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
@STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 You mean royal pirates don't you,
Campaigners have called the Church of England's failure to tell police about an ex-choirmaster who sexually abused children "totally irresponsible".Peter Halliday, 61, from Farnborough, Hants, was jailed for 30 months after admitting sex offences from the 1980s. BBC News learned he admitted the abuse 17 years ago, but left the Church quietly on condition he had no further contact with children SURE BET HE DID this recent enought 2007
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
@STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 Letters from 1966 between the then Archbishop of Canterbury and a bishop show the Church agreed that a convicted paedophile should be ordained.The retired senior judge said she believed priest Roy Cotton had at least 10 victims,CollinPritchard served as the vicar of St Barnabas, Bexhill, until 2007 after being arrested over sex abuse claims. In 2008 he pleaded guilty to sexually abusing boys in the 80s and was jailed for five years.RECENT ENOUGH FOR YOU
SHAME ON YOU
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago