#133: Should Pro-Lifers Boycott the Relay for Life?

[dianalee84]

Have any of you read a recent UN report that unequivically (spelling,dire,I know!) states the legality of abortion has No bearing on the per capita abortion rate? You should have a look at what happened in Nicaragua recently, when the Ortega gov. gave in to the RCC and imposed a total abortion ban.Women started dying the same day it was passed, as a direct consequence. When you put a greater value on embryos/fetuses than women, women pay the price, often with their lives.

[LifeReport]

@dianalee84 I don't think unborn children are more valuable than women, but I don't think they are less intrinsically valuable either. If the unborn are fully human, then the question of their right to live should be settled. Why should the law be faulted for making it more risky to kill innocent human beings?

I don't want women to die from dangerous abortions, and I think any woman that chooses to take that risk is making the wrong choice, for several reasons, her own safety included.

[dianalee84]

All your lofty arguemnts in your ivory towers remind me of Nero/Fiddeling. Your eloquent reasons and analogies mean nothing to a woman faced with an unwanted pregnancy she's not prepared to go thru with.As for the zygotes/cell people thing..There's a fire at an IVF clinic.Do you save the petrie dish full of 'people' or a 2 year old? Or are you truely fetal worshippers? Are gestated beings not as worthy,as I've had the impression from so many antichoicers?

[LifeReport]

@dianalee84 If I'm giving a speech, and the building is set on fire, and I have to choose between saving my wife and the rest of the audience, I'm probably going with my wife. But that doesn't prove the audience members are not human. It just proves that if I had to make a immediate judgement call, my loyalties may be to the woman I love.

A question for you: do you think abortion should be legal through all 9 months of pregnancy, or just a portion of it?

[BenjaminWirtz]

I think the verse in the Bible about eating food sacrificed to idols might be appropriate. We can't always know where the money is going but if we know it is going to fund abortion related organizations then we should try to avoid them.

[BenjaminWirtz]

I did think about if you are an employer you can't know what your employees will use their money for, you can't know if they are going to give to Planned Parenthood or not. For the homeless, giving food rather than money is better.

[ComAntNeLib]

people is worse than having one of those people not be born. stem cell research could save lifes what is the problem? cause people use some cells from a non person?

also in he video she says she wouldnt hire someone because of what they think... that is so not ok. does any of the people in the show vote for pro war people? is any of you pro capital punishment? anyways i like to hear your opinions so im subscribing. =)

[LifeReport]

@ComAntNeLib Yeah, youtube's comment sections seems pretty glitchy. On stem cell research, you named the crucial question there: are the embryo's that are killed for their stem cells valuable human beings, or not? If they're not, I have NO problem with embryo SCR. But if there isn't a good reason to discriminate against embryonic humans, than no, we shouldn't kill them. We should find alternatives, like Adult SCR or Induced Pluripotent SCR, which seem to be more helpful to patients anyway.

[ComAntNeLib]

@LifeReport i am against capital punishment even if the person getting killed killed lots of people. if you say killing a human being is wrong, unless self defense, then killing the killers is wrong. but yes, it all depends on how we see the embryos. and if we value more human dignity or human life.

[LifeReport]

@ComAntNeLib I'm personally anti-capital punishment, but I don't think that's relevant to the consistency of my pro-life argument. Unborn human beings aren't comparable to convicted killers. The reason I'm personally opposed to capital punishment is because of my concern that innocent people are still being executed.

[ComAntNeLib]

i seem to not be able to click respond so ill write my response here.

you give more value to human life than human dignity. pro life means no killing people unless self defense as you said. how about very sick people that are in extreme pain and need a little help to die? or like a person that has alzheimer and before that said that wanted to die if ever got alzheimer in order to keep her dignity? again, the lives of both the mother and the unwanted baby, having a shitty life for 2

[ComAntNeLib]

dont call it pro life cause you arent pro life

you are just anti choice

the fetus is a part of the mother, if you wanted to cut your hand off would you like someone to tell you that the hand is life and you shouldnt "kill" it?

an unwanted baby can harm both the mother and the baby, they most likely will have a shitty life after the birth of the baby, what about human dignity? you seem to not like that. and prolife cna be used to anything even for your food since it was once life you shouldnteat

[LifeReport]

@ComAntNeLib I'm vigorously pro-choice when it comes to women choosing all kinds of things, like their college, career, spouse and religion. But some choices are wrong, like killing a human being because she is in the way of something we want, like a preferred lifestyle.

The unborn embryo/fetus is not like a body part of the mother, but a living, whole, human organism. The sperm and egg both die during the fertilization process. You could check that out in embryology textbooks if you like.

[prochoicecliniescort]

@LifeReport I live in Europe so maybe I can't comment on USA. But most pro-life people I have met are anti-women's career, college participation, equality within marriage etc..

[LifeReport]

@prochoicecliniescort I am around a ton of pro-life people, and I have yet to meet one that was against women having careers or participating in college. It's not like we want things to go back 200 years when women couldn't vote. I just don't think anybody should have the right to kill another human being simply because he or she is in the way of something we want, like a preferred lifestyle.

[LifeReport]

@ComAntNeLib Pro-lifers don't believe humans and other animals have the same intrinsic value. Our argument is not that if it has life, you can't kill it. Our argument is not even if it's human, you can't kill it ever. (That would be pacifism and outlaw self-defense.) We simply believe that human beings like you and I are valuable, and that there is no justification to kill the unborn unless you need to do that to save the mother's life.