A man in texas can pick up radio waves in his head, a girl in Tokyo can see infra red light, a man in Sweden has a unique gland that produces poison when he is attacked, a woman in Africa has a solar sensitive patch on her neck that converts sunlight in to energy meaning she needs less food calories, and a man from Australia can change the colour of his skin (just slightly) to match his environment. DNA mutations causing changes like these would not happen if evolution were false.
microevolution is the recombination or loss of genetic information. No matter how long the evolution takes it won't be macroevolution, because macroevolution is the increase in genetic information.
@Ostrasize You can't tell me what I can't or don't say or know because of my age. That's just plain ignorant and arrogant. And I learned about evolution in school last year. Nice try with attempting to divert my statement.
@Ostrasize Information in its most restricted technical sense is a message (utterance or expression) or collection of messages that consists of symbols in an ordered sequence, or it is the meaning that can be interpreted from such a message or collection of messages. Information can be recorded or transmitted. It can be recorded as signs, or conveyed as signals by waves.
@oscarmarin1995 You just copied the definition of information from wikipedia. Information is much more than a code. It is not a physical property, but instead an abstract property of matter. It's data that can be converted between different representations, and can be interpreted by animals and that may lead to a response.
@oscarmarin1995 Saying that DNA contains information is an abstract interpretation of humans, not a physical property. But if you want to see DNA as information, then think of it as a recipe. If you change a sentence, then you might completely change the outcome of the cooking, yet the size of the recipe is the same. You don't have to increase the amount of information to have Evolution.
@Ostrasize Information is any kind of event that affects the state of a dynamic system. The concept has numerous other meanings in different contexts. [1] Moreover, the concept of information is closely related to notions of constraint, communication, control, data, form, instruction, knowledge, meaning, mental stimulus, pattern, perception, representation, and especially entropy.
@oscarmarin1995 interesting since the amoeba is much, much more complicated genetically then us with some 690,000,000 base pairs vs. our 2,900,000 if you want to argue about adding information as being the basis of macroevolution you should probably do some research first.
Yes, there is actually no difference betwen micro and macro evolution, they're exactly the same thing, that's why in university studying biology you will never hear of this distinction, it was merely invented by Creationists because they began to realize the genetic evidence for evolution was mind-blowing, but didn't want to admit they were rolled.
"A commonsense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature." - Paul Davies (Cambridge University, London University, Arizona State University), Theoretical Physicist, Cosmologist, and Templeton Prize winner.
Creationists will only accept speciation event in which it is 1) must occur within the timespan of a human lifetime (i.e. ~50 years) 2) The new species cannot mate with the original species that which it derived from (i.e. they don't accept production of a non-fertile progeny) 3) Observable with the naked eye (no genetics inferences)
Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
@gamesbok You look at the expansion of universe, required to be accurate to one part in 100 trillion to prevent collapsing, the distance of the moon from the earth, the size of the moon, the iron and nickel core of the earth which generates the earth's magnetic shield, the precise relationship of the strong and weak nuclear forces, the force of gravity, the specific characteristics of our sun, all finely tuned to enable life on earth, and you say, "lucky coincidence". Stupid? Yes you are.
@achilles197474 Ah yes, the 'fine tuning' arguement, which says, 'If things were different then they would be....er....different.' In fact we know that life existed when many of the parameters you mention were different, like the expansion of the universe, others are changing now, like the distance of the moon and the magnetoshpere. You haven't, can't show that the weak/strong force ratio could be different. You can't calculate odds for the cosmos if you have only one example, stupid.
@gamesbok Your argument is with science, not with me. "All the evidence available in the biological sciences supports the core proposition of traditional natural theology--that the cosmos is a specially designed whole with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose, a whole in which all facets of reality, from the size of galaxies to the thermal capacity of water, have their meaning and explanation in this central fact."(p. 389) - Nature's Destiny by Michael Denton
@achilles197474 Reviews by parties within the scientific community were vehemently negative, with several attacking flaws in Denton's arguments. Biologist and philosopher Michael Ghiselin described A Theory in Crisis as "a book by an author who is obviously incompetent, dishonest, or both — and it may be very hard to decide which is the case" and that his "arguments turn out to be flagrant instances of the fallacy of irrelevant conclusion."
@gamesbok Hmm...glad to see that Ghiselin didn't have any specific issues with the quote I sited in Nature's Destiny. Neither does Paul Davies (Cambridge, London, Arizona State) universities, "A commonsense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature." Same conclusion. Your argument is not with me, your argument is with science.
@achilles197474 If you had science behind you then you could quote peer reviewed papers published in scientific journals, but neither you nor Denton can do that. I, on the other hand, can demolish Denton's claims about the creative ability of evolution with : ‘Evolution of Biological Information’, Thomas Schneider, Journal of Nuclaic Acid Research, Oxford University, July 2000.
One does not demolish – or even damage – evolutionary explanations by confessing one's personal incredulity.
@gamesbok Sure, it all works in the journals doesn't it? You know where it doesn't work? In the real world. Animals don't evolve they simply become extinct. That is why you NEVER hear a scientist say, "We're witnessing environmental changes, but don't worry about its impact on extinction, animals are constantly evolving to improve their niche in the world." The theory is a joke. Hundreds of species become extinct every year because they do not evolve. Evolution works in your mind, not in reality
@achilles197474 Frequently the environment changes faster than evolution of many species can cope, like in the Devonian, the Permian and the KT boundry, and as is happening today. It's like this, the Permian wasn't fun, there are no Triassic coal beds.
If you have an arguement please state it, otherwise I suggest you try and get with ALL the emperical evidence and the solid foundation of science.
@gamesbok You just provided the empirical evidence, thank you. Species don't evolve to avoid extinction, they respond to environmental changes by becoming extinct.This contradicts the theory which says that animals respond to environmental changes by descent with modification to avoid extinction. Extinction as a result of environmental change is proven in the fossil record, and we OBSERVE it, today. Evolution works in your mind, not in reality. You are arguing against science.
@achilles197474 Even the most massive extinction event, the Permian, had survivors, and that's all evolution requires. We don't know of any extinction events with 100% mortality. You don't have a case.
With respect, having faith is choosing what to believe. Absence of faith is also a choice. I'm a 6.9 atheist but I have many friends who have faith. I have no desire for them to walk the path I've trodden. My truth is full of wonder & acceptance, bereft of fear & promises I live each day to the full without having to reaffirm my belief in the unprovable . Be lucky & take care.
One read the so called simple questions from Creationists.
It only serves to show how uniformed they are.
It is stunning they think thousands of pages of information and observed learning accross multiple sciences can be answered with a Yes or No or explained in 500 chrs.
Yet if you asked them to pray fro something specific.
Then said did it work or Not Yes or No they would be spouting excuses for weeks.
all i have 2 say 2 u since yur willingly blinding yurself of da obvious that no animal can change into another animal nor much less turn human givin any amount of time, is that theirs undeniable proof n evidence of Jesus n his blood which was discovered by Ron wyatt. their were claims that he lied n didnt have permission n license 2 excavate golgatha (mountain of da skull) where Jesus was crucified. he found dry blood in a cave under that mountain n had it examined. the result should change you.
Your right no animal can just change into another. This is the straw man used by christians, an open display of dishonesty. Argue after you have read about what evolution is and how it works, a ton of evidence.
Are there people out there who still take Ron Wyatt seriously? He is a well known fraud and con man.
So bad there are christian wed sites that debunk him for fear of the damage he is doing to the cause, already under seige from thinking people, evidence and reason.
Ron wyatt found black substance in da cave n also found da ark of da covenant if u know wat that is? n known of wat happened 2 Jesus, he knew it had 2 be his blood because in da new testament it describes wat happen da second Jesus breathed his last n died, which it said their was a great earthquake n da rocks rent. da earthquake split da mountain in a 20ft thin crack that went down 2 da cave n da blood spilled into da crack all da way 2da cave n dripped on da mercy seat of da ark of da covenant
Ron Wyatt took a sample of da blood n gave it 2 israeli lab coworkers in a lab in israel without telling them who's blood it was. they told em it was dead blood but Ron knew that already n still insisted 2 examine da blood 2 get a chromosome count n everyone knows u cant get a chromosome count wit dry blood. u can get certain things like dna n other things but not a chromosome count. so they put da blood 2 swurl gently for 72 hours 2 get it at body temperature then take da white bloodcells out.
They put da white bloodcells in a growth medium n kept it there for 48 hours at body temperature 2 remain that way. they told him it wont work because da blood is dead but he insisted 2 do it for him as a favor, n so they did. when it came time 4 da results, the workers called eachother n had their boss come in also 2 look at da blood sample n they amazingly could figure out da chromosome count, not because of da procedure they did but because who's blood it was since no human blood can do this.
they found out da blood was definitely human n it had a maraculous chromosome count of 24. 23 from da mother n 1 from a non human because no human can develop wit 24 chromosomes. da lab workers finally asked who's blood is this? n Ron responded is da blood of your messiah, n these were Jews who did not believe in Jesus like most dont but da truth smacked them right in their faces. Ron said that their lives were changed because now they have 2 back 2 da scriptures 2 reinterpret wat they read b4.
so its obvious now that Jesus was always telling da truth that God was his own father literally because he came from him. 2 verify if this is true just type Ron wyatt against false accusations by israel antiquity, n you will see that he did get permission n a license 2 excavate da site n that he was telling da truth. please please man just think about this 4 a sec, dont get biased n just say its all b.s cause if this is true which it is, u have a God who came n died in yur place all cause of luv
just checkout Ron Wyatt then look at all the evidences that proves God n his stories like sodom n gomorrah which are in ashes 2 this day so that should tell u something, king david, da crucifixion site, n all expeditions that were not just coincidently true but discovered places n things that matched da biblical description 2 da detail. please if yur in favor of scientific fact then this is 1 u should seriously consider cause it can change yur view from a lie 2 da truth. tell hockeater also.
Yes of course I am that is why Ron the Con has been smashed.
I saw some of his claims a long time ago and of course acctually investigated further. I then discovered not only were these reports unavailable but he would never name the laboratory. Very Suspicious!
An embryo with only 24 chromosomes would not survive very long past conception.
it just shows how much u payed attention 2 wat ron says in his videos. he said why da reports are unavailable n why he's keeping some secrets. theirs some government personnel who secretly gave ron permission 2 excavate da crucifixion site agreeing that they never knew eachother if they should investigate. Ron clearly shows a picture of himself n this government personnel shaking hands confirming they did know eachother responding 2 false accusations like u did.
it just shows how much u payed attention 2 wat ron says in his videos. he said why da reports are unavailable n why he's keeping some secrets. theirs some government personnel who secretly gave ron permission 2 excavate da crucifixion site agreeing that they never knew eachother if they should investigate. Ron clearly shows a picture of himself n this government personnel shaking hands confirming they did know eachother responding 2 false accusations like u did.
it just shows how much u payed attention 2 wat ron says in his videos. he said why da reports are unavailable n why he's keeping some secrets. theirs some government personnel who secretly gave ron permission 2 excavate da crucifixion site agreeing that they never knew eachother if they should investigate. Ron clearly shows a picture of himself n this government personnel shaking hands confirming they did know eachother responding 2 false accusations like u did.
so if u didnt know, da reason he's holding this information about da blood of christ n da ark of da covenant is because it can spark ww3 or a holy war angering da muslims. Ron is dead now but some of his trustees know all about da discoveries n wont bring it 2 da public until due time. as far of da embryo goes, yur right that it wouldnt survive wit 24 chromosomes which is da whole point, that this blood shows it is still alive meaning God da father because da 1 letter y is from an unhuman male.
its da only logical conclusion according 2 wat Jesus said about himself in relation 2 his father is that da 23 chromosomes he has is from his mother mary n only 1 chromosome from his unhuman father which only consist of 1 chromosome, y. now if macroevolution is true then wat da hell is going on wit Jesus blood?
You really can't write comedy like this. Needless to say, he brags of all these fantastic scientific tests that never see the light of day - but trust him, he's got em!
Wyatt is so bad that other creationist and Christian groups have put up webpages debunking his work. Here are three major ones: Tentmaker, Christian Information Ministries and Answers in Genesis.
These are idiots & BullShit experts who don't support him. THINK
Answers in genesis refuses to use peer reviewed material or falsify there claims.
It is all opinion based counter they refuse to repeat any experiments before a grupe of getacist or paleontologist/anthropologist. The people in charge of the I.D. movement also would not defend there claims in a cort of law under oath but the evolutionary biologist did when the national center for science and education brought them to cort.
i dont know how these evolutionists can claim 2 be so smart and still get a simple question so wrong. just because the same kind of animal cant interbreed doesnt make them 2 different kinf of animals, cant u evolutionists see that DAMN!! the florida rabbit cannot interbreed wit the alaskan rabbit, but they could both still interbreed wit the minnesota rabbit. so i want an honest str8 up forward answer 2 this question, is the alaskan rabbit and da florida rabbit da same kind of animal?
@TREACLE97 It is true, and pigs don't have the genes to just randomly have wings emerge in one or even one hundred generations. In fact, if a pig were to do that it would almost undoubtedly prove Evolution to be incorrect. Little beneficial gradual mutations over time introduces a new species. Unless there is some boundary you think exists that stops those mutations? Quite a bit of imagination.
@deep7100 All caps wasn't really necessary. And what is your definition of species? Because animals are divided by that man made concept. None of those animals are of the same species because they have several differing characteristics. Also they are because they have separated in two different directions enough because they're offspring would be infertile. Hence how mules and other hybrids can never repoduce.
IM GONNA ASK THE EVOLUTIONISTS A RERAL QUESTION THAT REQUIRES A REAL ANSWER, IS THE GREAT DANE AND A CHIHUAHUA THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL? IS THE ALASKAN RABBIT AND FLORIDA RABBIT THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL? IS THE ZEBRA AND A HORSE THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL? IF YES.... TELL ME WHY, IF NOT, THEN U REALLY REALLY NEED 2 EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE NOT THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL.
so it was a hard question i asked u because this was a simple yes or no answer and u avoided either which means u are completely ignorant of the question. a 3 year old can answer this in a multiple choice picture question. put a wolf, cayote, rockwilder, n a cow in a 4 picture box, and now im gonna ask u if u can tell me which animal is not like the others? i would like 4 u to tell me wat is yur definition of species since b4 that word was created we used da word kind, like da bible says.
im sorry but you evolutionists have something called wishful thinking. im not even good at biology it took me 4 tries 2 pass that biology regents tests in high school, n i even know that mutations happen with the already existing dna information and natural selection selects da best mutations, it doesnt add new information like u wish it could, i guess i can call natural selection yur god because u think it creates when it does not at all, never. all we see is exactly what da bible says period.
Transposable elements have also contributed to genome diversity in another way. When two transposable elements that are recognized by the same site-specific recombination enzyme (transposase) integrate into neighboring chromosomal sites, the DNA between them can become subject to transposition by the transposase. Because this provides a particularly effective pathway for the duplication and movement of exons (exon shuffling), these elements can help create new genes.
Another area of research involves polyploidy. Through the process of polyploidy, the total number of chromosomes can double, or a single chromosome can duplicate itself. This process is fairly common in plants, and explains why some plants can have as many as 100 chromosomes.
Not to mention the ability of viruses and bacterial to mutate resistance into thier genome.
You need to read current updated information all your questions and objections to the truth are well explained or on the way to being explained. Like a puzzle the picture is now very clear but thier remains many small pieces to fit in, a lot of mistakes in the past and still to come do not change the picture or the result.
u have so much evidence piled up against u is not even a funny joke anymore. da whole reason for this theory is 2 try n get rid of God because u wanna explain everything in da universe by a natural mean n u logically cannot do that it is impossible. i would respect u evolutionists more if u just said da truth that u dont want to believe in God and his son jesus Christ, instead of saying u have evidence for yur theory which has been proven a lie, just da law of information disproves yur theory.
@deep7100 Tell me did you also do badly in English? I wouldn't be surprised. Species: lifeforms within the same species can breed. Animals from different species can't. In the rare case of a mixed breeding the offspring is usually infertile. Now I demand the same of you. Define kind now. Go on. No creationist I've ever met has had the balls to actually take a solid position they can't shift later. Also explain the 30% of Christian American scientists who agree with evolution. Can you?
u just did define kind for me, lmao except that u wanna hide behind this word lifeforms when u can jus say variations within da same kind of animal. n as for christian evolutionists their is just no way u can reconcile da 2 because da two have opposite creation accounts, if they wanna believe in 2 creations in 1 thats their problem but their completely mistaken, dont know wat other way 2 put it. in the bible the earth was created first, then da heavens as in sun moon n stars galaxies ...ect
@deep7100 They don't take the bible as literal account and weave their beliefs into reality rather than warping reality to fit their views. Point is evolution happens regardless of your religion and the christian scientists who agree with it prove that. Also I said lifeform because it encompasses more. Tell me are plants an animal? How about bacteria? Viruses? Even humans (Varies from religious person to person.)?
u have been brainwashed brother by this theory it is just sad, but u have not refuted anything i said n didnt even answer da questions i asked u. truth answers all questions correctly n all u done is ignored them which means yur inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument. im gonna keep it simple for u but u have 2 answer my questions. is a cow n a dog da same species? im gonna go at da heart of yur definition of species to see if yur really consistent, just answer da questions.
@deep7100 You're the one ignoring answers put in front of you just like all creationist retards. Second don't you DARE insinuate a close relation to me ''brother''! That's an insult to my entire immediate family. Now on to your obvious and infantile question. No a dog and a cow aren't the same species because they can't interbreed and even if you were to do so artificially the result would be a sterile hybrid.
im not ignoring nothin im refuting every possible debunked so called evidences yur bringing up. n im sorry if it insults u its not my intention its just truth that im bringing 2 light n if u never heard truth hurts alot when u believe something thats da opposite of truth. but yur da 1 insinuating me in relation to yur blind theory cause u want me 2 believe that me as a human came from a non human organism. id be rational n say we both came from 2 people so watch wat u say kid.
im pretty sure she does due 2 da fact that her child thinks he's related 2 a ape lol i feel 4 her. tell her 4 me that Jesus wont abandon her da 1 who was crucified outside da walls of jerusalem. evolution cant do nothing. lmao
@deep7100 She's also atheistic and regularly mocks you little fucktards the same way I do. Also the assertion of the motives of your imaginary friend are duly noted. Still imaginary though.
well then she got an even bigger problem, herself, behind dealin wit u, wow i still give her credit, but back 2 da real, refute or be mute cause yur still not answering questions, why do u think attacking me doesnt prove God haha random chemicals i guess which is no more than idolizing yurself to a spec of dust. ok dusty, how will u refute the evidences i gave u. ok ok i know i come from dust (dirt) also but i was formed by a supernatural being, u on the other hand by nothing....
@deep7100 I don't know about you but I was formed in moment of conception between two consenting adults followed by an incubation period of about nine months. Someone doesn't understand the birds and the bees. We can debate about your fallacious claims on ancestors but there are witnesses as to how WE came into being. Namely doctors.
oh i bellieve that 2, but how da first man n woman got here is where u go fairytale, i go 2 da only place left, rationality ave. again dont attack me yur looking very silly n childish, disprove my evidences or go cry to yur mom n tell her u got decked in da face by truth. listen, seriously, if theres a chance that God does exist 2 u n da evidence i just pointed 2 u screams that 1 does exist, dont u at least like a scientist without a bias, investigate that claim wit da existing evidence at hand
@deep7100 Because the story where they were literally hand made from dirt and and a rib by a magical sky daddy is the ''rational'' belief. Riiiiiiiight. Why do you think you guys are often the subject of ridicule by virtually all other groups including more moderate christians?
secondary accounts? lol lol which do u consider primary accounts? u always refute yurself in everything that u say, u need special ed now intensively kid. the gospels of matthew mark luke n john is da first accounts written after christ death n resurrection learn yur history, not even atheists historians agree wit u, tell yur mother 2 put u back in school i dont care how old u are, anyway da older u are da more urgent da need. these gospels were written under 100 years after.
@deep7100 At earliest the stories ORIGINATED that far after the supposed even. It would be quite some time before these myths were put to parchment by people descended from the original culture. You learn your history idiot.
again learn yur history not his story lol u assume a century is 2 much time, but u not considering that da writers of da new testament had 2 get their info from eyewitnesses who were still living at da time. n 2 of da writers were witnesses themselves so b4 calling me an idiot, stop being 1, hypocrite lol i dont know why u say its a supposed event when their were witnesses who saw it lmao im tellin u, atheists have 2 breach passed rationality 2 try n rationalize their thought process its crazy
@deep7100 Maybe because a century is far and above higher as a lifespan than anything they had back then? It's impressive now let alone at a time where forty was considered old. That alone is more than enough to make this whole idea laughable. Not to mention even the sources were valid it's still less evidence than the actual mummified corpses I mentioned earlier.
If Jesus is a myth 2 u, then so is Julius Ceazar, n i believe u studied about him at some point in 1 of yur history classes didnt u. theirs even a hair style named after him are u serious? poor thing. i hope u taking this as a learning experience cause its obvious u dont know sht. u most likely never read da bible assuming from yur lack of knowledge of it n u wanna come off like u can refute its history lmao lol i dont know how u argue wit eyewitness accounts.
@deep7100 Julius Ceazar was merely the name of the royal line prevalent at the time which inspired a few play writers. Not impressive either. As for arguing with witnesses all I have to do is demonstrate that they were all lying if they ever existed to begin with. By the way godzilla exists. How do I know? He attacked Tokyo and I SAW it. Congratulations barring you provide actual evidence our claims have equal weight.
so u just denied julius ceazar as a real person, emperor, king, ruler. obviously evolution has even crept n distorted into yur knowledge of actual history. yes, ceazar was a bloodline of kings, but 2 try n hide da fact that julius was a real person n king by saying "julius ceazar was merely da name of da royal line prevalent at da time which inspired a few playwriters." i want u 2 listen 2 yurself saying this over n over...... now answer me was julius ceazar a real person, plus king?
@deep7100 Until you provide actual non story based evidence like say... His semi preserved skeleton found somewhere in Rome and verifiable by several independent methods we have no reason to conclude that he was. At that point occum's razor. No unnecessary claims of fact like X (As in a variable) exists. The least number of such claims in a given conclusion using evidence to support the claims you must make probably lead to the most accurate conclusion in the long run. Also eliminate variables.
wrong again buddy, people lived over 900 years old after da fall of man, da judgement by da flood of noah caused da water above da earth 2 fall n that caused da suns rays 2 penetrate earths atmosphere decreasing air pressure n oxygent in the earth that was held by dat water dat covered earths atmosphere. now dinos didnt have enough oxygent 2 live on n so dus humans were affected by this change n started 2 live less years as time went on. at da time of christ their were people living over 100yrs.
@deep7100 You really have no idea what oxygen is or what it means in biology do you? Too much oxygen leads to negative effects not positive ones. For reference people can literally get high and experience hallucinations from the stuff in massive enough quantities. They take advantage of that in new age hipster clubs.
wrong again buddy, people lived over 900 years old after da fall of man, da judgement by da flood of noah caused da water above da earth 2 fall n that caused da suns rays 2 penetrate earths atmosphere decreasing air pressure n oxygent in the earth that was held by dat water dat covered earths atmosphere. now dinos didnt have enough oxygent 2 live on n so dus humans were affected by this change n started 2 live less years as time went on. at da time of christ their were people living over 100yrs.
n consider that da jews still have a strict health diet, some vegetarian would most likely increase their life span. so 2 prove u 100% wrong on that idea that 100 years is 2 old 4 da eyewitnesses, their are people 2day that are well over 100 years old so wat da hell is yur point? at dat time 40 was still young n its even young 2day, its just sad dat we men die at da average of 60 to 70 years old due to lack of colon, heart disease, n cancer awareness.
@deep7100 Medical improvements increased the average lifespan over time and while a vegetarian diet is nice it does little to supplement the countless medicines, vaccines, surgeries, after surgery?injury aids, food purification, and water purification that simply wasn't around back then. Do you have any idea what the coming through your tap goes through before being considered completely safe to drink alone? How about the food you eat? The documents for shots and vaccines you've taken perhaps?
so just remember that da new testament was completed under da 100 years not after. so yur idea i think not even considerable besides laughable. u have cornered yurself dumb, read da bible first then counter attack. as an atheist u should already know da art of war by now, but yur corny n dumber than most atheists out there. lmao to prove u wrong again that da flood changed da world is, why do we find fossils of animals that were much bigger then, but are very smaller now?
@deep7100 Sources of specific cases, why you think the animals are the same besides size, the evidence to back those whys up, and of course leave out the already debunked ones?
example evidence: roach fossils found at 18 inches, human skeletons found at da size of 8 to 25ft, please kid uncover yur ears da evidence is basically screaming at u son. can u please explain these giant humans like da bible days their were.
oh n i dont believe in a magical sky daddy because my God is above n beyond da sky get it..... he made da sky so he doesnt live in da sky but outside of time, galaxies, universe. so at least get da right understanding of wat God is. oh n its more rational 2 believe in a supernatural creator than nothing. life is supernatural itself since we know 100% 4 sure that life doesnt come from non life. give me an example of something thats not living to make life.................................. waiting
@deep7100 Actually no occum's razor. No evidence no creator. It's an as yet unnecessary claim. Not to mention experiments have been done to prove that several of the steps of abiogenisis are in fact possible. We have evidence that suggests your claim is false and none as to its voracity. Not enough to outright call you a lying sack of shit yet but we're getting there.
no kid im sorry, u cannot possibly believe an experiment can be done 2 prove abiogenesis.think carefully about this. da fact dat their was nothing there requires u 2 do nothing n let it happen by chance. if scientists can get 2gether in a lab n create abiogenesis would prove my point no yurs prick which is wat ive been saying all along...... that it would take intelligence 2 create life. u were not there in abiogenesis so let it create itself... game over son just say u reject God.
@deep7100 But it did prove that the steps mentioned in the experiments are in fact possible. The only difference is that the action happening under the sea is for obvious reasons much harder to observe live.
everything written about Jesus after those 100 years is secondary u got it backwards. da reason is cause 2 of his very own disciples wote the gospels, matthew da tax collector, n john his last disciple who was exiled 2 da island of patmos. luke n mark were historians n doctors, who were living at da time of christ n got their info from eyewitnesses. so when i say u refute yurself is because their were no written accounts of jesus before da gospels of mark matthew luke n john, open that ape brain
@deep7100 You don't seem to realize that just because a story is written from the point of view of a character doesn't mean it was written by that character. Do you think harry potter was a real person too?
i agree but thats not da case here my friend, harry potter is not real because he doesnt have historical evidence 4 his existence nor does it describe him traveling on earths geological locations. so its a myth pretty much lol but as da story 4 Jesus, even real historical governors n emperors n kings heard n seen Jesus face 2 face, example evidence: king Herod, Julius ceazar,and Roman Governor Pilate, n much more. even Jesus enemies mentioned him in da Jewish Talmud. u got explaining to do
@deep7100 Ah so now London isn't a real location? Yeah no you're not getting away from it that easily. Again all you have are dubious eye witness some of which from people whos very former existence is disputable. Got any real evidence?
u go on ahead n believe in yur harry potter bs, london is real not harry my overactive imagination friend. lmao now on questioning the existence of da witnesses, explain away matthew a jewish tax collector who worked 4 da romans. oh n explain away da prophecies da came 2 pass like da messiah arriving b4 da destruction of da 2 temple. if u know any jewish history which u dont, da 2nd temple was destroyed 70 years after christ da messiah. wats da point of tellin u, u will say it happened by chance
im not ignoring nothin im refuting every possible debunked so called evidences yur bringing up. n im sorry if it insults u its not my intention its just truth that im bringing 2 light n if u never heard truth hurts alot when u believe something thats da opposite of truth. but yur da 1 insinuating me in relation to yur blind theory cause u want me 2 believe that me as a human came from a non human organism. id be rational n say we both came from 2 people so watch wat u say kid.
n finally u answered 1 of my questions, n i agree their not da same species. but another 1 now, is a japanese dog n an american pitbull da same species?
@deep7100 Considering they could theoretically breed and produce fertile offspring they technically would be. The term breed is used denote appreciable differences within a species.
4get about theoretically, 4get technically dont hide behind these words its a simple answer without da need of terms. so you're saying yes they are da same species. u dont even have a clue wat species is now because youre other atheists friends consider them n wolves n cayotes different species of dogs so now you're confusing da public which is why we stick wit da word kind. double standards is another sign of a failed argument. how can u say 2 dogs arent da same species n dogs n cows not also?
@deep7100 Wolves can't successfully breed with dogs to completely fertile and viable offspring although they do come pretty close being that dogs have been around about five thousand years. The earlier ancestors probably wouldn't fit your definition of dog though. Can a dog breed with a cow at all? Not at all. Theory and technically are more powerful words than your joke of a faith. Even weak non scientific theory is a guess conforming to known evidence and thus superior to your debunked book.
i cant believe im gonna ask u this question, wats yur definition of dog? cause u have no clue wat da hell yur word species mean. the ancestors of all dogs 2day was a dog, wat else would u call it if they didnt come from a dog? n people have been pounding on da scriptures 4 thousands of years, n its da only book that has withstood da test of time. n da archaeological features n stories claimed in the bible were proven with expeditions 2 these places n were found 2 da exact detail of da stories.
@deep7100 The species which cam after wolves by way of domestication and selective breeding. The species line was drawn when the two could no longer produce viable offspring. Until you show me say... a small poodle breed and wolf producing viable offspring they're not the same species.
hockeater said >Not enough to outright call you a lying sack of shit yet but we're getting there<
I dis agree with this in totality, I think we can easily call the monotheists lying sack of shit, admittedley they have been hoodwinked and self deluding led by snake oil salesmen. Never the less there are more holes in the scriptures than a swiss cheese after a shotgun blast, clearly fabricated and untrue.
look who it is..... hockeater's bob (bend over buddy) lmao like i said 2 yur boyfriend which u wouldnt mind its perfectly fine 4 u 2 abominate eachother if yur theory proves correct which were still waiting after more than 150 years since darwin got so confused about finches in da galapagos island 2 prove his theory, debunked da prophecies away, explain away da petrified trees runnin thru layers of strata thats supposedly millions of years old, human fossils found in layers millions of years old
@deep7100 Again get specific. Show me the scientific journal that denotes their discovery and all possible information on the subject including possibly other continuation of the research. If your claim is true the supposed discovery should have made it past basic peer review to pubmed.
thats da problem, it doesnt make it because they dont want 2 review da evidences so creationists come up wit their own mags n journals n let people see da other side which is only fair 2 view both sides. but evolutionists are 2 scared because its simply a dying n some considere it dead theory due 2 da hoaxes n lies 2 deceive people which is a serious case because now its a personal faith issue which is wat creationists been saying all along, macro evolution is a faith not an observable science.
@deep7100 So what you're telling me essentially is that your supposed discovery can't even get past peer review? Not even a single paper in a reputable source on the subject? Pathetic especially with the whining about unfair treatment. Your evidence was falsified in peer review and thus no scientist accepts it. All claims religious or not go through this peer review and only the ones that aren't falsified go beyond it. That's the world we live in. Deal with it or at least stop whining in public.
n 2 yur other response about the experiments, u are not even sure yet so how can u call it a fact n possible at da same time, thats it u fumbled n lost da game. double standards again smh (shaking my head) dont respond anymore cause just wit that i need no evidence 2 prove u wrong although i gave tons, thanks 4 helping me prove u wrong, now i suggest u pray dearly n ask 4 Jesus 4giveness of sins because ultimately i believe u are condemned cause of yur sins, evolution is da factor for yur sins.
@deep7100 Silly little pig ignorant creationist. It's observable fact that the steps mentioned within the experiments are physically possible. The steps we haven't experimented on yet? Likely but not proven possible by recording it happening in the data. Again you fail your basic grasp of your language and honestly I don't really believe you ever actually got out of high school. Have fun humping your bible.
wat is it that u dont understand about never making abiogenesis in a lab or where ever u want because it requires nothing of u. dont u believe in da primordial soup? oh man i think this is perfect for a science fiction story. i can just picture it now..... "n da creatures jumped out of da abiotic chemical soup n started causing havoc among themselves" lmao yur mentally sick u need help fast. have fun humping yur new boyfriend videoaudiodisco09 i suggest not, God made u 2 like gorgeous woman homo
i just caught u stumbling on yur own words buddy rewind kid........ u said different plant species if cross pollinated would give u a seedless plant. this is exactly my point kid get this thru yur thick skull, wat would u call a seedless plant? u answered yur own question because its still a plant by yur definition son. if its not a plant then why are u callin it a seedless plant. give it another name but u know u cant because its still a plant which is wat ive been saying all along damn smh
@deep7100 And I'm saying that evolution never stated an arbitrary need to go in a particular direction and that speciation is the only predicted result of gradual change. I'm also stating that your inferences to the contrary are the infantile misrepresentation of a theory by the vast culture of creationist dimwits.
now u are lying out of yur rectum n it stinks, stop saying cause it just happens u aint foolin no one not even former evolutionary biologists wit phd's who stopped believing in that dumb theory cause of the overwhelming evidence of a creator theu saw in their studies. tell me a case when plants have produced something other that is not a plant? all we see is plants produce plants, if u wanna believe they produce something other than a plant go n shoot yurself but thats not science anymore lmao
@deep7100 Plants only produce plants because no selective features that would define a plant have been weeded out by natural selection. However there are countless different plant species that if cross pollinated would produce seedless plants. For example an avocado and an apple. You really are stupid if you think there's only one species of plant.
my whole point is that no matter wat type of plant it is its still a plant why cant u get that man wats wrong wit u. we know theirs different kinds of plants but they will never get u something other than a plant. if u want 2 believe it does then u have just left science n went right into religion, i admire yur faith kid but just get historical evidence that a plant produces a nonplant then i might consider.
@deep7100 Read previous comment about misrepresentation of theory and your arbitrary demands that said theory doesn't actually state should come to pass. Silly little cuntmuffin.
n u still havent answered me yet, is a japanese dog n an american pitbull da same species? im just waiting 4 u boy dont run from it lmao lol n if u want me 2 define human im gonna say a human is a person, can u say that a monkey gorilla ape watever animal u want is a person? dont make me laugh son. da reason u dont notice da changes throghout da generations is cause it doesnt happen at all, its so nearly impossible that it is impossible therefore u left science n went 2 religion,its not observed
someone didnt answer da question correctly n directly lol which is wat i always expect from u evolutionists airheadz lol again is da japanese dog n da american pitbull da same species? yes or no, wats wrong wit this ape lmao just answer da question smh talk about hard headed evolutionists..... how do u also disprove dino bones wit blood n soft tissue if their millions of years old, u know it cant survive that long so go ahead explain that 2. explain skeletons in da millions of years layers. lol
someone didnt answer da question correctly n directly lol which is wat i always expect from u evolutionists airheadz lol again is da japanese dog n da american pitbull da same species? yes or no, wats wrong wit this ape lmao just answer da question smh talk about hard headed evolutionists..... how do u also disprove dino bones wit blood n soft tissue if their millions of years old, u know it cant survive that long so go ahead explain that 2. explain skeletons in da millions of years layers. lol
explain why julius ceazar believed in Jesus walking around at his time, n why their is more evidence of Jesus life than any emperor that ever lived? why da disciples willingly died 4 da truth of Jesus if he wasnt real? why are their petrified trees running through layers of sedimentary rock thats sopposedly millions of years old, come on guy da evidence is basically screaming at u, but as an ape i know u are mentally deaf. dino n man footprints 2gether, all sorts of evidence is piled against u
@deep7100 Really now? A bunch of secondary accounts written by various unverified sources long after the death of the character in question constitutes more evidence than the mummified bodies of Egyptian emperors? You're a silly little sub person.
@deep7100 Caesar was dead decades before the supposed birth of Jesus. There are no petrofied trees running through layers millions of years apart. There is NO evidence against evolution, none at all.
and my advice i'll give u from Jesus himself, "take heed that no man deceive u" that means even me n da guy that taught u this crap about living thins comin from non life. peace kid its been a pleasure actually n fun.
@deep7100 So now you're insinuating that your imaginary friend invented broken english? Interesting claim if totally laughable. Debates aren't won by changing the mind of the opponent. You merely convince the majority that your opponent is wrong. Thus comes the fact that young earth creationists are even more in the minority than atheists and that even other sects of christianty mock you regularly. Lets face it your group is quickly fading into joking obscurity.
wit yur logic, a human like men n woman who cant reproduce is not human cause they cant reproduce another human. lmao lol lol now im having fun!!!!! just step back n look at yur thinking man, u are better than this n better than them phd's evolutionary biologists, its already proven that thats their religion not a science where u can test n observe u said it yurself, u cant see da changes from generations 2 generations cause ITS SO SLOW. ima give u an advice from Jesus.
@deep7100 Could they have reproduced in an earlier point in their lives? Human. If not you have something lacking one or more of the basic features required to fit under full human classification.
wit yur logic, a human like men n woman who cant reproduce is not human cause they cant reproduce another human. lmao lol lol now im having fun!!!!! just step back n look at yur thinking man, u are better than this n better than them phd's evolutionary biologists, its already proven that thats their religion not a science where u can test n observe u said it yurself, u cant see da changes from generations 2 generations cause ITS SO SLOW. ima give u an advice from Jesus.
now u are lying out of yur rectum n it stinks, stop saying cause it just happens u aint foolin no one not even former evolutionary biologists wit phd's who stopped believing in that dumb theory cause of the overwhelming evidence of a creator theu saw in their studies. tell me a case when plants have produced something other that is not a plant? all we see is plants produce plants, if u wanna believe they produce something other than a plant go n shoot yurself but thats not science anymore lmao
bacteria produces a number of bacterias but their still bacteria, same for viruses, n even humans, yes ignorant 1, humans. all we see is humans produce humans no matter how different da color of their skin, size, n shape of their bodies. are u tellin me that you'll put yur life on da line that humans will 1 day produce non humans? i hate 2 even ask this question because its dehumanizing n even though thats yur belief i think better of u than u do yurself. dont think like that of yurself brother.
@deep7100 Define human in extremely precise terms. Evolution is an extremely gradual process and 150000 years is simply woefully inadequate on the timescale we'd be using in this context. Not to mention the changes would be so gradual you wouldn't notice generation to generation. You'd have to keep a precise record of a starting specimen and live long enough to catalog the differences over time which would be nearly impossible.
"the entire canyon is an erosion mark" u are full of it kid, u still cant explain why we find human skeletons in those so called layers where dinos are buried. just explain that please... scientists rely on on this fossil record n conclude that all these fossils are evidence of their evolutionary history. so that was a theory until a skeleton n other human made things were found on those fossil beds where humans according to yur debunked theory shouldnt be because they have not evolved yet.. smh
@deep7100 Simple the earths crust is only a semi stable gradually moving object and the movement and interaction of layers does occasionally happen. It's important to study these interactions rather than blindly asserting positions on them. In other words do more than five minutes of research when dealing with scientific topics.
this is wat science is soppose 2 be about, you come up wit a theory or hypothesis, n if u find evidence that refutes yur theory u throw that theory or hypothesis away n come up wit a new 1, but obviously y'all blindly hold on 2 this dying theory for personal motives, as for da source of da former evolutionary biologist, look up dr Rick Oliver n listen 2 his testimony n how he was biased against christians in his classroom. da video is called evolutionary biologist loses faith in evolution.
@deep7100 Ah like the story you believe in where a single couple who had no daughters were the start of an entire species presumably with massive mother son incest and birth defects. You're stories are what's dying and the world is a better place for it. Further your creationist webshite claptrap from a single biased and likely lying idiot means nothing in the face of raw statistical data. You've nothing but appeals to ignorance and emotion and some fake evidence. Learn to debate properly.
im not a debater n u dont need 2 take a debating class 2 win 1 although im not debating 4 da purpose of winning, im doing this just 2 see if u atheists have any rationality in yur thinking 2 conclude their isnt a God who who obviously designed u. but i will use yur arguments against u by saying yur not refuting my evidences yur attacking me which is a sign that u cant refute wat i say, attacking me has nothing to do wit da evidence u evolving monkey lol lol dont be offended thats way u say u are
@deep7100 Who on earth said I was debating to change the minds of dipshits like you? I do this as a way of entertainment in the form public ridicule of the mentally challenged acceptable targets. That's all you creationists are good for anyway. In terms of stopping you from slowing the worlds progress all I have to do is wait for your little group to die out in a see of laughter. You nor anyone from your group have any actual relevance beyond this entertainment.
scientists that saw da mount st helens volcano erupt observed a canyon formation wit layers of strata without erosion marks, so why cant u consider da fact that the grand canyon was formed da same way 4400 years ago in da flood of noah which would be da best explanation since it has no erosion marks. n dat dumb geologic column n da so called fossil record doesnt exist no where but in textbooks. n can u explain da findings of human skeletons n tools that have been found in layers millions of yrs?
@deep7100 Because A: The entire canyon is an erosion mark, the Colorado river is still eroding it at a measurable yearly rate, and your flood is one of the most hilariously easy to disprove stories in the bible (Quite a lofty position in THAT book). Museums, scientific journals, textbooks, various labs around the world all have these fossils. Source on that last claim so as to prove you're not lying? We've been on this planet roughly 150000 years.
theres alot of things evolutionists cannot explain cause that theory does not have sufficient ground to do so wit so many gaps n da whole chain of missing links still not discovered cause da ones they have shown have been debunked like lucy, archaeoptryx or however u spell that, n so forth. but like da bible says, "they are willingly ignorant of da flood" can u explain why their are evolutionary biologists changing their faiths 2 christianity n believing in Jesus? i can give u da sources 2
if u believe in evolution then u also have 2 believe da big bang n dat debunked theory says that da sun moon n stars were created first. so i wonder how they can fit that into da bible although i know but they have to twist n turn so many things is hard 2 take them serious sometimes cause its just rediculous knowin u just cant fit evolution n creation 2gether, its clear that someone is completely wrong n trust God it is y'all. the grand canyon formed da grand canyon... what are u saying? smh
@deep7100 Again non literal bible. Are you really that ignorant of the world? Also did you just claim that the grand canyon formed itself? Is it some amazing time transcending being now? Forget Yahweh guys this guy believes the GRAND CANYON transcends time!
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Here's evoloution in a nutshell -
Repopulation requirement + Imperfect DNA replication = Mutation
Mutation + Success = New DNA passed on
New DNA passed on + Several generations = New species.
HellHound60248 1 week ago
PILTDOWN MAN , enuogh said
MrCobra811 3 weeks ago
A man in texas can pick up radio waves in his head, a girl in Tokyo can see infra red light, a man in Sweden has a unique gland that produces poison when he is attacked, a woman in Africa has a solar sensitive patch on her neck that converts sunlight in to energy meaning she needs less food calories, and a man from Australia can change the colour of his skin (just slightly) to match his environment. DNA mutations causing changes like these would not happen if evolution were false.
TREACLE97 1 month ago
microevolution is the recombination or loss of genetic information. No matter how long the evolution takes it won't be macroevolution, because macroevolution is the increase in genetic information.
oscarmarin1995 2 months ago
@oscarmarin1995 You're a little young to be regurgitating shit you know nothing about.
Ostrasize 1 month ago
@Ostrasize You can't tell me what I can't or don't say or know because of my age. That's just plain ignorant and arrogant. And I learned about evolution in school last year. Nice try with attempting to divert my statement.
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995 Your statement was blatantly wrong, there is no need to divert it.
Ostrasize 1 month ago
@Ostrasize Can you disprove my statement plz?
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@Ostrasize And if you do, it means the whole school system is wrong about evolution
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995 Please define information for me.
Ostrasize 1 month ago
@Ostrasize Information in its most restricted technical sense is a message (utterance or expression) or collection of messages that consists of symbols in an ordered sequence, or it is the meaning that can be interpreted from such a message or collection of messages. Information can be recorded or transmitted. It can be recorded as signs, or conveyed as signals by waves.
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995 You just copied the definition of information from wikipedia. Information is much more than a code. It is not a physical property, but instead an abstract property of matter. It's data that can be converted between different representations, and can be interpreted by animals and that may lead to a response.
raviept 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995 Saying that DNA contains information is an abstract interpretation of humans, not a physical property. But if you want to see DNA as information, then think of it as a recipe. If you change a sentence, then you might completely change the outcome of the cooking, yet the size of the recipe is the same. You don't have to increase the amount of information to have Evolution.
raviept 1 month ago
@Ostrasize Information is any kind of event that affects the state of a dynamic system. The concept has numerous other meanings in different contexts. [1] Moreover, the concept of information is closely related to notions of constraint, communication, control, data, form, instruction, knowledge, meaning, mental stimulus, pattern, perception, representation, and especially entropy.
oscarmarin1995 1 month ago
@oscarmarin1995 interesting since the amoeba is much, much more complicated genetically then us with some 690,000,000 base pairs vs. our 2,900,000 if you want to argue about adding information as being the basis of macroevolution you should probably do some research first.
W1ldSm1le 1 month ago
Let me sum that up: microevolution is true therefore macroevolution must be true (have faith people).
I'm convinced now, but he forgot to mention that animals such as a mule are sterile.
character654 3 months ago
@character654
Yes, there is actually no difference betwen micro and macro evolution, they're exactly the same thing, that's why in university studying biology you will never hear of this distinction, it was merely invented by Creationists because they began to realize the genetic evidence for evolution was mind-blowing, but didn't want to admit they were rolled.
OrthodoxDarwinist 3 months ago
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@OrthodoxDarwinist That is so wrong I'm not even going to waste my time on it.
character654 3 months ago
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"A commonsense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature." - Paul Davies (Cambridge University, London University, Arizona State University), Theoretical Physicist, Cosmologist, and Templeton Prize winner.
achilles197474 3 months ago
Creationists will only accept speciation event in which it is 1) must occur within the timespan of a human lifetime (i.e. ~50 years) 2) The new species cannot mate with the original species that which it derived from (i.e. they don't accept production of a non-fertile progeny) 3) Observable with the naked eye (no genetics inferences)
Casshyr 3 months ago
Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
achilles197474 3 months ago
@achilles197474
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TheMrgoku1985 3 months ago
@achilles197474 you have poasted that some where else think of somethig else
circle601 3 months ago
@achilles197474 How did you get to be this stupid?
gamesbok 3 months ago
@gamesbok You look at the expansion of universe, required to be accurate to one part in 100 trillion to prevent collapsing, the distance of the moon from the earth, the size of the moon, the iron and nickel core of the earth which generates the earth's magnetic shield, the precise relationship of the strong and weak nuclear forces, the force of gravity, the specific characteristics of our sun, all finely tuned to enable life on earth, and you say, "lucky coincidence". Stupid? Yes you are.
achilles197474 3 months ago
@achilles197474 Ah yes, the 'fine tuning' arguement, which says, 'If things were different then they would be....er....different.' In fact we know that life existed when many of the parameters you mention were different, like the expansion of the universe, others are changing now, like the distance of the moon and the magnetoshpere. You haven't, can't show that the weak/strong force ratio could be different. You can't calculate odds for the cosmos if you have only one example, stupid.
gamesbok 3 months ago
@gamesbok Your argument is with science, not with me. "All the evidence available in the biological sciences supports the core proposition of traditional natural theology--that the cosmos is a specially designed whole with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose, a whole in which all facets of reality, from the size of galaxies to the thermal capacity of water, have their meaning and explanation in this central fact."(p. 389) - Nature's Destiny by Michael Denton
achilles197474 3 months ago
@achilles197474 Reviews by parties within the scientific community were vehemently negative, with several attacking flaws in Denton's arguments. Biologist and philosopher Michael Ghiselin described A Theory in Crisis as "a book by an author who is obviously incompetent, dishonest, or both — and it may be very hard to decide which is the case" and that his "arguments turn out to be flagrant instances of the fallacy of irrelevant conclusion."
My arguement is not with science, your's is.
gamesbok 3 months ago
@gamesbok Hmm...glad to see that Ghiselin didn't have any specific issues with the quote I sited in Nature's Destiny. Neither does Paul Davies (Cambridge, London, Arizona State) universities, "A commonsense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature." Same conclusion. Your argument is not with me, your argument is with science.
achilles197474 3 months ago
@achilles197474 If you had science behind you then you could quote peer reviewed papers published in scientific journals, but neither you nor Denton can do that. I, on the other hand, can demolish Denton's claims about the creative ability of evolution with : ‘Evolution of Biological Information’, Thomas Schneider, Journal of Nuclaic Acid Research, Oxford University, July 2000.
One does not demolish – or even damage – evolutionary explanations by confessing one's personal incredulity.
gamesbok 3 months ago
@gamesbok Sure, it all works in the journals doesn't it? You know where it doesn't work? In the real world. Animals don't evolve they simply become extinct. That is why you NEVER hear a scientist say, "We're witnessing environmental changes, but don't worry about its impact on extinction, animals are constantly evolving to improve their niche in the world." The theory is a joke. Hundreds of species become extinct every year because they do not evolve. Evolution works in your mind, not in reality
achilles197474 3 months ago
@achilles197474 Frequently the environment changes faster than evolution of many species can cope, like in the Devonian, the Permian and the KT boundry, and as is happening today. It's like this, the Permian wasn't fun, there are no Triassic coal beds.
If you have an arguement please state it, otherwise I suggest you try and get with ALL the emperical evidence and the solid foundation of science.
gamesbok 3 months ago
@gamesbok You just provided the empirical evidence, thank you. Species don't evolve to avoid extinction, they respond to environmental changes by becoming extinct.This contradicts the theory which says that animals respond to environmental changes by descent with modification to avoid extinction. Extinction as a result of environmental change is proven in the fossil record, and we OBSERVE it, today. Evolution works in your mind, not in reality. You are arguing against science.
achilles197474 3 months ago
@achilles197474 What we observe is descent with modification.
gamesbok 3 months ago
@gamesbok Enlighten me, please. What causes the modification?
achilles197474 3 months ago
@achilles197474 You can modify most species with a hammer.
gamesbok 3 months ago
@achilles197474 Even the most massive extinction event, the Permian, had survivors, and that's all evolution requires. We don't know of any extinction events with 100% mortality. You don't have a case.
gamesbok 3 months ago
There are still people arguing despite countless lab test proving macro evolution?
TheMrgoku1985 4 months ago
Having faith is choosing what is true
onsenfoudunomful 4 months ago
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@onsenfoudunomful "Having faith is choosing what is true"
With respect, having faith is choosing what to believe. Absence of faith is also a choice. I'm a 6.9 atheist but I have many friends who have faith. I have no desire for them to walk the path I've trodden. My truth is full of wonder & acceptance, bereft of fear & promises I live each day to the full without having to reaffirm my belief in the unprovable . Be lucky & take care.
GuillemotWatcher 4 months ago
One read the so called simple questions from Creationists.
It only serves to show how uniformed they are.
It is stunning they think thousands of pages of information and observed learning accross multiple sciences can be answered with a Yes or No or explained in 500 chrs.
Yet if you asked them to pray fro something specific.
Then said did it work or Not Yes or No they would be spouting excuses for weeks.
They are a joke.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
all i have 2 say 2 u since yur willingly blinding yurself of da obvious that no animal can change into another animal nor much less turn human givin any amount of time, is that theirs undeniable proof n evidence of Jesus n his blood which was discovered by Ron wyatt. their were claims that he lied n didnt have permission n license 2 excavate golgatha (mountain of da skull) where Jesus was crucified. he found dry blood in a cave under that mountain n had it examined. the result should change you.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100
Your right no animal can just change into another. This is the straw man used by christians, an open display of dishonesty. Argue after you have read about what evolution is and how it works, a ton of evidence.
Are there people out there who still take Ron Wyatt seriously? He is a well known fraud and con man.
So bad there are christian wed sites that debunk him for fear of the damage he is doing to the cause, already under seige from thinking people, evidence and reason.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
Ron wyatt found black substance in da cave n also found da ark of da covenant if u know wat that is? n known of wat happened 2 Jesus, he knew it had 2 be his blood because in da new testament it describes wat happen da second Jesus breathed his last n died, which it said their was a great earthquake n da rocks rent. da earthquake split da mountain in a 20ft thin crack that went down 2 da cave n da blood spilled into da crack all da way 2da cave n dripped on da mercy seat of da ark of da covenant
deep7100 4 months ago
Ron Wyatt took a sample of da blood n gave it 2 israeli lab coworkers in a lab in israel without telling them who's blood it was. they told em it was dead blood but Ron knew that already n still insisted 2 examine da blood 2 get a chromosome count n everyone knows u cant get a chromosome count wit dry blood. u can get certain things like dna n other things but not a chromosome count. so they put da blood 2 swurl gently for 72 hours 2 get it at body temperature then take da white bloodcells out.
deep7100 4 months ago
They put da white bloodcells in a growth medium n kept it there for 48 hours at body temperature 2 remain that way. they told him it wont work because da blood is dead but he insisted 2 do it for him as a favor, n so they did. when it came time 4 da results, the workers called eachother n had their boss come in also 2 look at da blood sample n they amazingly could figure out da chromosome count, not because of da procedure they did but because who's blood it was since no human blood can do this.
deep7100 4 months ago
they found out da blood was definitely human n it had a maraculous chromosome count of 24. 23 from da mother n 1 from a non human because no human can develop wit 24 chromosomes. da lab workers finally asked who's blood is this? n Ron responded is da blood of your messiah, n these were Jews who did not believe in Jesus like most dont but da truth smacked them right in their faces. Ron said that their lives were changed because now they have 2 back 2 da scriptures 2 reinterpret wat they read b4.
deep7100 4 months ago
so its obvious now that Jesus was always telling da truth that God was his own father literally because he came from him. 2 verify if this is true just type Ron wyatt against false accusations by israel antiquity, n you will see that he did get permission n a license 2 excavate da site n that he was telling da truth. please please man just think about this 4 a sec, dont get biased n just say its all b.s cause if this is true which it is, u have a God who came n died in yur place all cause of luv
deep7100 4 months ago
just checkout Ron Wyatt then look at all the evidences that proves God n his stories like sodom n gomorrah which are in ashes 2 this day so that should tell u something, king david, da crucifixion site, n all expeditions that were not just coincidently true but discovered places n things that matched da biblical description 2 da detail. please if yur in favor of scientific fact then this is 1 u should seriously consider cause it can change yur view from a lie 2 da truth. tell hockeater also.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100
"if yur in favor of scientific fact "
Yes of course I am that is why Ron the Con has been smashed.
I saw some of his claims a long time ago and of course acctually investigated further. I then discovered not only were these reports unavailable but he would never name the laboratory. Very Suspicious!
An embryo with only 24 chromosomes would not survive very long past conception.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
it just shows how much u payed attention 2 wat ron says in his videos. he said why da reports are unavailable n why he's keeping some secrets. theirs some government personnel who secretly gave ron permission 2 excavate da crucifixion site agreeing that they never knew eachother if they should investigate. Ron clearly shows a picture of himself n this government personnel shaking hands confirming they did know eachother responding 2 false accusations like u did.
deep7100 4 months ago
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it just shows how much u payed attention 2 wat ron says in his videos. he said why da reports are unavailable n why he's keeping some secrets. theirs some government personnel who secretly gave ron permission 2 excavate da crucifixion site agreeing that they never knew eachother if they should investigate. Ron clearly shows a picture of himself n this government personnel shaking hands confirming they did know eachother responding 2 false accusations like u did.
deep7100 4 months ago
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it just shows how much u payed attention 2 wat ron says in his videos. he said why da reports are unavailable n why he's keeping some secrets. theirs some government personnel who secretly gave ron permission 2 excavate da crucifixion site agreeing that they never knew eachother if they should investigate. Ron clearly shows a picture of himself n this government personnel shaking hands confirming they did know eachother responding 2 false accusations like u did.
deep7100 4 months ago
so if u didnt know, da reason he's holding this information about da blood of christ n da ark of da covenant is because it can spark ww3 or a holy war angering da muslims. Ron is dead now but some of his trustees know all about da discoveries n wont bring it 2 da public until due time. as far of da embryo goes, yur right that it wouldnt survive wit 24 chromosomes which is da whole point, that this blood shows it is still alive meaning God da father because da 1 letter y is from an unhuman male.
deep7100 4 months ago
its da only logical conclusion according 2 wat Jesus said about himself in relation 2 his father is that da 23 chromosomes he has is from his mother mary n only 1 chromosome from his unhuman father which only consist of 1 chromosome, y. now if macroevolution is true then wat da hell is going on wit Jesus blood?
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100
Complete nonsence, I'm sorry. 24 Chromosomes that would be a Great Ape by the way.
Wyatt is a colossal fraud...
Have you really thought about the plausability of this episode from start to finish.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
@deep7100
Wyatt I am surprised anyone at all believes him.
You really can't write comedy like this. Needless to say, he brags of all these fantastic scientific tests that never see the light of day - but trust him, he's got em!
Wyatt is so bad that other creationist and Christian groups have put up webpages debunking his work. Here are three major ones: Tentmaker, Christian Information Ministries and Answers in Genesis.
These are idiots & BullShit experts who don't support him. THINK
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09
Answers in genesis refuses to use peer reviewed material or falsify there claims.
It is all opinion based counter they refuse to repeat any experiments before a grupe of getacist or paleontologist/anthropologist. The people in charge of the I.D. movement also would not defend there claims in a cort of law under oath but the evolutionary biologist did when the national center for science and education brought them to cort.
TheMrgoku1985 3 months ago
@TheMrgoku1985 What Evolutionary Biologist? Michael Behe? He was laughed out of court. Also, he has published exactly zero scientific studies.
Answers in Genesis doesn't falsify claims - they simply make them up.
Creationists are getting desperate as they see the steady rise in atheism in America. Religious nuts are dying out.
Good riddance.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
You didn't provide any evidence of the type of evolution that scientist claim occure between fish and amphibian
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hockeater 4 months ago
i dont know how these evolutionists can claim 2 be so smart and still get a simple question so wrong. just because the same kind of animal cant interbreed doesnt make them 2 different kinf of animals, cant u evolutionists see that DAMN!! the florida rabbit cannot interbreed wit the alaskan rabbit, but they could both still interbreed wit the minnesota rabbit. so i want an honest str8 up forward answer 2 this question, is the alaskan rabbit and da florida rabbit da same kind of animal?
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Ah so you were lying about having the same definition. I knew it.
hockeater 4 months ago
@TREACLE97 It is true, and pigs don't have the genes to just randomly have wings emerge in one or even one hundred generations. In fact, if a pig were to do that it would almost undoubtedly prove Evolution to be incorrect. Little beneficial gradual mutations over time introduces a new species. Unless there is some boundary you think exists that stops those mutations? Quite a bit of imagination.
pat5168 4 months ago
@deep7100 All caps wasn't really necessary. And what is your definition of species? Because animals are divided by that man made concept. None of those animals are of the same species because they have several differing characteristics. Also they are because they have separated in two different directions enough because they're offspring would be infertile. Hence how mules and other hybrids can never repoduce.
pat5168 4 months ago
IM GONNA ASK THE EVOLUTIONISTS A RERAL QUESTION THAT REQUIRES A REAL ANSWER, IS THE GREAT DANE AND A CHIHUAHUA THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL? IS THE ALASKAN RABBIT AND FLORIDA RABBIT THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL? IS THE ZEBRA AND A HORSE THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL? IF YES.... TELL ME WHY, IF NOT, THEN U REALLY REALLY NEED 2 EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE NOT THE SAME KIND OF ANIMAL.
deep7100 4 months ago in playlist Evidence FOR Evolution and Against Creationism
@deep7100 Countless differences in genotype and phenotype. Now have an actually hard question?
hockeater 4 months ago
so it was a hard question i asked u because this was a simple yes or no answer and u avoided either which means u are completely ignorant of the question. a 3 year old can answer this in a multiple choice picture question. put a wolf, cayote, rockwilder, n a cow in a 4 picture box, and now im gonna ask u if u can tell me which animal is not like the others? i would like 4 u to tell me wat is yur definition of species since b4 that word was created we used da word kind, like da bible says.
deep7100 4 months ago
im sorry but you evolutionists have something called wishful thinking. im not even good at biology it took me 4 tries 2 pass that biology regents tests in high school, n i even know that mutations happen with the already existing dna information and natural selection selects da best mutations, it doesnt add new information like u wish it could, i guess i can call natural selection yur god because u think it creates when it does not at all, never. all we see is exactly what da bible says period.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100
Transposable elements have also contributed to genome diversity in another way. When two transposable elements that are recognized by the same site-specific recombination enzyme (transposase) integrate into neighboring chromosomal sites, the DNA between them can become subject to transposition by the transposase. Because this provides a particularly effective pathway for the duplication and movement of exons (exon shuffling), these elements can help create new genes.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
@deep7100
Another area of research involves polyploidy. Through the process of polyploidy, the total number of chromosomes can double, or a single chromosome can duplicate itself. This process is fairly common in plants, and explains why some plants can have as many as 100 chromosomes.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
@deep7100
Not to mention the ability of viruses and bacterial to mutate resistance into thier genome.
You need to read current updated information all your questions and objections to the truth are well explained or on the way to being explained. Like a puzzle the picture is now very clear but thier remains many small pieces to fit in, a lot of mistakes in the past and still to come do not change the picture or the result.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
u have so much evidence piled up against u is not even a funny joke anymore. da whole reason for this theory is 2 try n get rid of God because u wanna explain everything in da universe by a natural mean n u logically cannot do that it is impossible. i would respect u evolutionists more if u just said da truth that u dont want to believe in God and his son jesus Christ, instead of saying u have evidence for yur theory which has been proven a lie, just da law of information disproves yur theory.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Tell me did you also do badly in English? I wouldn't be surprised. Species: lifeforms within the same species can breed. Animals from different species can't. In the rare case of a mixed breeding the offspring is usually infertile. Now I demand the same of you. Define kind now. Go on. No creationist I've ever met has had the balls to actually take a solid position they can't shift later. Also explain the 30% of Christian American scientists who agree with evolution. Can you?
hockeater 4 months ago
u just did define kind for me, lmao except that u wanna hide behind this word lifeforms when u can jus say variations within da same kind of animal. n as for christian evolutionists their is just no way u can reconcile da 2 because da two have opposite creation accounts, if they wanna believe in 2 creations in 1 thats their problem but their completely mistaken, dont know wat other way 2 put it. in the bible the earth was created first, then da heavens as in sun moon n stars galaxies ...ect
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 They don't take the bible as literal account and weave their beliefs into reality rather than warping reality to fit their views. Point is evolution happens regardless of your religion and the christian scientists who agree with it prove that. Also I said lifeform because it encompasses more. Tell me are plants an animal? How about bacteria? Viruses? Even humans (Varies from religious person to person.)?
hockeater 4 months ago
u have been brainwashed brother by this theory it is just sad, but u have not refuted anything i said n didnt even answer da questions i asked u. truth answers all questions correctly n all u done is ignored them which means yur inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument. im gonna keep it simple for u but u have 2 answer my questions. is a cow n a dog da same species? im gonna go at da heart of yur definition of species to see if yur really consistent, just answer da questions.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 You're the one ignoring answers put in front of you just like all creationist retards. Second don't you DARE insinuate a close relation to me ''brother''! That's an insult to my entire immediate family. Now on to your obvious and infantile question. No a dog and a cow aren't the same species because they can't interbreed and even if you were to do so artificially the result would be a sterile hybrid.
hockeater 4 months ago
im not ignoring nothin im refuting every possible debunked so called evidences yur bringing up. n im sorry if it insults u its not my intention its just truth that im bringing 2 light n if u never heard truth hurts alot when u believe something thats da opposite of truth. but yur da 1 insinuating me in relation to yur blind theory cause u want me 2 believe that me as a human came from a non human organism. id be rational n say we both came from 2 people so watch wat u say kid.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 No I mean insinuating that you came out of my mother. The pour girl has enough to deal with without a retard child.
hockeater 4 months ago
im pretty sure she does due 2 da fact that her child thinks he's related 2 a ape lol i feel 4 her. tell her 4 me that Jesus wont abandon her da 1 who was crucified outside da walls of jerusalem. evolution cant do nothing. lmao
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 She's also atheistic and regularly mocks you little fucktards the same way I do. Also the assertion of the motives of your imaginary friend are duly noted. Still imaginary though.
hockeater 4 months ago
well then she got an even bigger problem, herself, behind dealin wit u, wow i still give her credit, but back 2 da real, refute or be mute cause yur still not answering questions, why do u think attacking me doesnt prove God haha random chemicals i guess which is no more than idolizing yurself to a spec of dust. ok dusty, how will u refute the evidences i gave u. ok ok i know i come from dust (dirt) also but i was formed by a supernatural being, u on the other hand by nothing....
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 I don't know about you but I was formed in moment of conception between two consenting adults followed by an incubation period of about nine months. Someone doesn't understand the birds and the bees. We can debate about your fallacious claims on ancestors but there are witnesses as to how WE came into being. Namely doctors.
hockeater 4 months ago
oh i bellieve that 2, but how da first man n woman got here is where u go fairytale, i go 2 da only place left, rationality ave. again dont attack me yur looking very silly n childish, disprove my evidences or go cry to yur mom n tell her u got decked in da face by truth. listen, seriously, if theres a chance that God does exist 2 u n da evidence i just pointed 2 u screams that 1 does exist, dont u at least like a scientist without a bias, investigate that claim wit da existing evidence at hand
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Because the story where they were literally hand made from dirt and and a rib by a magical sky daddy is the ''rational'' belief. Riiiiiiiight. Why do you think you guys are often the subject of ridicule by virtually all other groups including more moderate christians?
hockeater 4 months ago
secondary accounts? lol lol which do u consider primary accounts? u always refute yurself in everything that u say, u need special ed now intensively kid. the gospels of matthew mark luke n john is da first accounts written after christ death n resurrection learn yur history, not even atheists historians agree wit u, tell yur mother 2 put u back in school i dont care how old u are, anyway da older u are da more urgent da need. these gospels were written under 100 years after.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 At earliest the stories ORIGINATED that far after the supposed even. It would be quite some time before these myths were put to parchment by people descended from the original culture. You learn your history idiot.
hockeater 4 months ago
again learn yur history not his story lol u assume a century is 2 much time, but u not considering that da writers of da new testament had 2 get their info from eyewitnesses who were still living at da time. n 2 of da writers were witnesses themselves so b4 calling me an idiot, stop being 1, hypocrite lol i dont know why u say its a supposed event when their were witnesses who saw it lmao im tellin u, atheists have 2 breach passed rationality 2 try n rationalize their thought process its crazy
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Maybe because a century is far and above higher as a lifespan than anything they had back then? It's impressive now let alone at a time where forty was considered old. That alone is more than enough to make this whole idea laughable. Not to mention even the sources were valid it's still less evidence than the actual mummified corpses I mentioned earlier.
hockeater 4 months ago
If Jesus is a myth 2 u, then so is Julius Ceazar, n i believe u studied about him at some point in 1 of yur history classes didnt u. theirs even a hair style named after him are u serious? poor thing. i hope u taking this as a learning experience cause its obvious u dont know sht. u most likely never read da bible assuming from yur lack of knowledge of it n u wanna come off like u can refute its history lmao lol i dont know how u argue wit eyewitness accounts.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Julius Ceazar was merely the name of the royal line prevalent at the time which inspired a few play writers. Not impressive either. As for arguing with witnesses all I have to do is demonstrate that they were all lying if they ever existed to begin with. By the way godzilla exists. How do I know? He attacked Tokyo and I SAW it. Congratulations barring you provide actual evidence our claims have equal weight.
hockeater 4 months ago
so u just denied julius ceazar as a real person, emperor, king, ruler. obviously evolution has even crept n distorted into yur knowledge of actual history. yes, ceazar was a bloodline of kings, but 2 try n hide da fact that julius was a real person n king by saying "julius ceazar was merely da name of da royal line prevalent at da time which inspired a few playwriters." i want u 2 listen 2 yurself saying this over n over...... now answer me was julius ceazar a real person, plus king?
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Until you provide actual non story based evidence like say... His semi preserved skeleton found somewhere in Rome and verifiable by several independent methods we have no reason to conclude that he was. At that point occum's razor. No unnecessary claims of fact like X (As in a variable) exists. The least number of such claims in a given conclusion using evidence to support the claims you must make probably lead to the most accurate conclusion in the long run. Also eliminate variables.
hockeater 4 months ago
wrong again buddy, people lived over 900 years old after da fall of man, da judgement by da flood of noah caused da water above da earth 2 fall n that caused da suns rays 2 penetrate earths atmosphere decreasing air pressure n oxygent in the earth that was held by dat water dat covered earths atmosphere. now dinos didnt have enough oxygent 2 live on n so dus humans were affected by this change n started 2 live less years as time went on. at da time of christ their were people living over 100yrs.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 You really have no idea what oxygen is or what it means in biology do you? Too much oxygen leads to negative effects not positive ones. For reference people can literally get high and experience hallucinations from the stuff in massive enough quantities. They take advantage of that in new age hipster clubs.
hockeater 4 months ago
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wrong again buddy, people lived over 900 years old after da fall of man, da judgement by da flood of noah caused da water above da earth 2 fall n that caused da suns rays 2 penetrate earths atmosphere decreasing air pressure n oxygent in the earth that was held by dat water dat covered earths atmosphere. now dinos didnt have enough oxygent 2 live on n so dus humans were affected by this change n started 2 live less years as time went on. at da time of christ their were people living over 100yrs.
deep7100 4 months ago
n consider that da jews still have a strict health diet, some vegetarian would most likely increase their life span. so 2 prove u 100% wrong on that idea that 100 years is 2 old 4 da eyewitnesses, their are people 2day that are well over 100 years old so wat da hell is yur point? at dat time 40 was still young n its even young 2day, its just sad dat we men die at da average of 60 to 70 years old due to lack of colon, heart disease, n cancer awareness.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Medical improvements increased the average lifespan over time and while a vegetarian diet is nice it does little to supplement the countless medicines, vaccines, surgeries, after surgery?injury aids, food purification, and water purification that simply wasn't around back then. Do you have any idea what the coming through your tap goes through before being considered completely safe to drink alone? How about the food you eat? The documents for shots and vaccines you've taken perhaps?
hockeater 4 months ago
so just remember that da new testament was completed under da 100 years not after. so yur idea i think not even considerable besides laughable. u have cornered yurself dumb, read da bible first then counter attack. as an atheist u should already know da art of war by now, but yur corny n dumber than most atheists out there. lmao to prove u wrong again that da flood changed da world is, why do we find fossils of animals that were much bigger then, but are very smaller now?
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Sources of specific cases, why you think the animals are the same besides size, the evidence to back those whys up, and of course leave out the already debunked ones?
hockeater 4 months ago
example evidence: roach fossils found at 18 inches, human skeletons found at da size of 8 to 25ft, please kid uncover yur ears da evidence is basically screaming at u son. can u please explain these giant humans like da bible days their were.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Again prove that such things have been found before asking for explanations. As in previous comment.
hockeater 4 months ago
oh n i dont believe in a magical sky daddy because my God is above n beyond da sky get it..... he made da sky so he doesnt live in da sky but outside of time, galaxies, universe. so at least get da right understanding of wat God is. oh n its more rational 2 believe in a supernatural creator than nothing. life is supernatural itself since we know 100% 4 sure that life doesnt come from non life. give me an example of something thats not living to make life.................................. waiting
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Actually no occum's razor. No evidence no creator. It's an as yet unnecessary claim. Not to mention experiments have been done to prove that several of the steps of abiogenisis are in fact possible. We have evidence that suggests your claim is false and none as to its voracity. Not enough to outright call you a lying sack of shit yet but we're getting there.
hockeater 4 months ago
no kid im sorry, u cannot possibly believe an experiment can be done 2 prove abiogenesis.think carefully about this. da fact dat their was nothing there requires u 2 do nothing n let it happen by chance. if scientists can get 2gether in a lab n create abiogenesis would prove my point no yurs prick which is wat ive been saying all along...... that it would take intelligence 2 create life. u were not there in abiogenesis so let it create itself... game over son just say u reject God.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 But it did prove that the steps mentioned in the experiments are in fact possible. The only difference is that the action happening under the sea is for obvious reasons much harder to observe live.
hockeater 4 months ago
everything written about Jesus after those 100 years is secondary u got it backwards. da reason is cause 2 of his very own disciples wote the gospels, matthew da tax collector, n john his last disciple who was exiled 2 da island of patmos. luke n mark were historians n doctors, who were living at da time of christ n got their info from eyewitnesses. so when i say u refute yurself is because their were no written accounts of jesus before da gospels of mark matthew luke n john, open that ape brain
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 You don't seem to realize that just because a story is written from the point of view of a character doesn't mean it was written by that character. Do you think harry potter was a real person too?
hockeater 4 months ago
i agree but thats not da case here my friend, harry potter is not real because he doesnt have historical evidence 4 his existence nor does it describe him traveling on earths geological locations. so its a myth pretty much lol but as da story 4 Jesus, even real historical governors n emperors n kings heard n seen Jesus face 2 face, example evidence: king Herod, Julius ceazar,and Roman Governor Pilate, n much more. even Jesus enemies mentioned him in da Jewish Talmud. u got explaining to do
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Ah so now London isn't a real location? Yeah no you're not getting away from it that easily. Again all you have are dubious eye witness some of which from people whos very former existence is disputable. Got any real evidence?
hockeater 4 months ago
u go on ahead n believe in yur harry potter bs, london is real not harry my overactive imagination friend. lmao now on questioning the existence of da witnesses, explain away matthew a jewish tax collector who worked 4 da romans. oh n explain away da prophecies da came 2 pass like da messiah arriving b4 da destruction of da 2 temple. if u know any jewish history which u dont, da 2nd temple was destroyed 70 years after christ da messiah. wats da point of tellin u, u will say it happened by chance
deep7100 4 months ago
im not ignoring nothin im refuting every possible debunked so called evidences yur bringing up. n im sorry if it insults u its not my intention its just truth that im bringing 2 light n if u never heard truth hurts alot when u believe something thats da opposite of truth. but yur da 1 insinuating me in relation to yur blind theory cause u want me 2 believe that me as a human came from a non human organism. id be rational n say we both came from 2 people so watch wat u say kid.
deep7100 4 months ago
n finally u answered 1 of my questions, n i agree their not da same species. but another 1 now, is a japanese dog n an american pitbull da same species?
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Considering they could theoretically breed and produce fertile offspring they technically would be. The term breed is used denote appreciable differences within a species.
hockeater 4 months ago
4get about theoretically, 4get technically dont hide behind these words its a simple answer without da need of terms. so you're saying yes they are da same species. u dont even have a clue wat species is now because youre other atheists friends consider them n wolves n cayotes different species of dogs so now you're confusing da public which is why we stick wit da word kind. double standards is another sign of a failed argument. how can u say 2 dogs arent da same species n dogs n cows not also?
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Wolves can't successfully breed with dogs to completely fertile and viable offspring although they do come pretty close being that dogs have been around about five thousand years. The earlier ancestors probably wouldn't fit your definition of dog though. Can a dog breed with a cow at all? Not at all. Theory and technically are more powerful words than your joke of a faith. Even weak non scientific theory is a guess conforming to known evidence and thus superior to your debunked book.
hockeater 4 months ago
i cant believe im gonna ask u this question, wats yur definition of dog? cause u have no clue wat da hell yur word species mean. the ancestors of all dogs 2day was a dog, wat else would u call it if they didnt come from a dog? n people have been pounding on da scriptures 4 thousands of years, n its da only book that has withstood da test of time. n da archaeological features n stories claimed in the bible were proven with expeditions 2 these places n were found 2 da exact detail of da stories.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 The species which cam after wolves by way of domestication and selective breeding. The species line was drawn when the two could no longer produce viable offspring. Until you show me say... a small poodle breed and wolf producing viable offspring they're not the same species.
hockeater 4 months ago
@deep7100
hockeater said >Not enough to outright call you a lying sack of shit yet but we're getting there<
I dis agree with this in totality, I think we can easily call the monotheists lying sack of shit, admittedley they have been hoodwinked and self deluding led by snake oil salesmen. Never the less there are more holes in the scriptures than a swiss cheese after a shotgun blast, clearly fabricated and untrue.
So lying sack of shit, if the shoe fits.
VideoAudioDisco09 4 months ago
look who it is..... hockeater's bob (bend over buddy) lmao like i said 2 yur boyfriend which u wouldnt mind its perfectly fine 4 u 2 abominate eachother if yur theory proves correct which were still waiting after more than 150 years since darwin got so confused about finches in da galapagos island 2 prove his theory, debunked da prophecies away, explain away da petrified trees runnin thru layers of strata thats supposedly millions of years old, human fossils found in layers millions of years old
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Again get specific. Show me the scientific journal that denotes their discovery and all possible information on the subject including possibly other continuation of the research. If your claim is true the supposed discovery should have made it past basic peer review to pubmed.
hockeater 4 months ago
thats da problem, it doesnt make it because they dont want 2 review da evidences so creationists come up wit their own mags n journals n let people see da other side which is only fair 2 view both sides. but evolutionists are 2 scared because its simply a dying n some considere it dead theory due 2 da hoaxes n lies 2 deceive people which is a serious case because now its a personal faith issue which is wat creationists been saying all along, macro evolution is a faith not an observable science.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 So what you're telling me essentially is that your supposed discovery can't even get past peer review? Not even a single paper in a reputable source on the subject? Pathetic especially with the whining about unfair treatment. Your evidence was falsified in peer review and thus no scientist accepts it. All claims religious or not go through this peer review and only the ones that aren't falsified go beyond it. That's the world we live in. Deal with it or at least stop whining in public.
hockeater 4 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Exactly but I meant on the particular claim he was making at the moment. Still a wide margin of other reasons though.
hockeater 4 months ago
n 2 yur other response about the experiments, u are not even sure yet so how can u call it a fact n possible at da same time, thats it u fumbled n lost da game. double standards again smh (shaking my head) dont respond anymore cause just wit that i need no evidence 2 prove u wrong although i gave tons, thanks 4 helping me prove u wrong, now i suggest u pray dearly n ask 4 Jesus 4giveness of sins because ultimately i believe u are condemned cause of yur sins, evolution is da factor for yur sins.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Silly little pig ignorant creationist. It's observable fact that the steps mentioned within the experiments are physically possible. The steps we haven't experimented on yet? Likely but not proven possible by recording it happening in the data. Again you fail your basic grasp of your language and honestly I don't really believe you ever actually got out of high school. Have fun humping your bible.
hockeater 4 months ago
wat is it that u dont understand about never making abiogenesis in a lab or where ever u want because it requires nothing of u. dont u believe in da primordial soup? oh man i think this is perfect for a science fiction story. i can just picture it now..... "n da creatures jumped out of da abiotic chemical soup n started causing havoc among themselves" lmao yur mentally sick u need help fast. have fun humping yur new boyfriend videoaudiodisco09 i suggest not, God made u 2 like gorgeous woman homo
deep7100 4 months ago
i just caught u stumbling on yur own words buddy rewind kid........ u said different plant species if cross pollinated would give u a seedless plant. this is exactly my point kid get this thru yur thick skull, wat would u call a seedless plant? u answered yur own question because its still a plant by yur definition son. if its not a plant then why are u callin it a seedless plant. give it another name but u know u cant because its still a plant which is wat ive been saying all along damn smh
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 And I'm saying that evolution never stated an arbitrary need to go in a particular direction and that speciation is the only predicted result of gradual change. I'm also stating that your inferences to the contrary are the infantile misrepresentation of a theory by the vast culture of creationist dimwits.
hockeater 4 months ago
now u are lying out of yur rectum n it stinks, stop saying cause it just happens u aint foolin no one not even former evolutionary biologists wit phd's who stopped believing in that dumb theory cause of the overwhelming evidence of a creator theu saw in their studies. tell me a case when plants have produced something other that is not a plant? all we see is plants produce plants, if u wanna believe they produce something other than a plant go n shoot yurself but thats not science anymore lmao
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Plants only produce plants because no selective features that would define a plant have been weeded out by natural selection. However there are countless different plant species that if cross pollinated would produce seedless plants. For example an avocado and an apple. You really are stupid if you think there's only one species of plant.
hockeater 4 months ago
my whole point is that no matter wat type of plant it is its still a plant why cant u get that man wats wrong wit u. we know theirs different kinds of plants but they will never get u something other than a plant. if u want 2 believe it does then u have just left science n went right into religion, i admire yur faith kid but just get historical evidence that a plant produces a nonplant then i might consider.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Read previous comment about misrepresentation of theory and your arbitrary demands that said theory doesn't actually state should come to pass. Silly little cuntmuffin.
hockeater 4 months ago
n u still havent answered me yet, is a japanese dog n an american pitbull da same species? im just waiting 4 u boy dont run from it lmao lol n if u want me 2 define human im gonna say a human is a person, can u say that a monkey gorilla ape watever animal u want is a person? dont make me laugh son. da reason u dont notice da changes throghout da generations is cause it doesnt happen at all, its so nearly impossible that it is impossible therefore u left science n went 2 religion,its not observed
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Someone didn't read all the comments. Go back and finish your required reading before responding.
hockeater 4 months ago
someone didnt answer da question correctly n directly lol which is wat i always expect from u evolutionists airheadz lol again is da japanese dog n da american pitbull da same species? yes or no, wats wrong wit this ape lmao just answer da question smh talk about hard headed evolutionists..... how do u also disprove dino bones wit blood n soft tissue if their millions of years old, u know it cant survive that long so go ahead explain that 2. explain skeletons in da millions of years layers. lol
deep7100 4 months ago
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someone didnt answer da question correctly n directly lol which is wat i always expect from u evolutionists airheadz lol again is da japanese dog n da american pitbull da same species? yes or no, wats wrong wit this ape lmao just answer da question smh talk about hard headed evolutionists..... how do u also disprove dino bones wit blood n soft tissue if their millions of years old, u know it cant survive that long so go ahead explain that 2. explain skeletons in da millions of years layers. lol
deep7100 4 months ago
explain why julius ceazar believed in Jesus walking around at his time, n why their is more evidence of Jesus life than any emperor that ever lived? why da disciples willingly died 4 da truth of Jesus if he wasnt real? why are their petrified trees running through layers of sedimentary rock thats sopposedly millions of years old, come on guy da evidence is basically screaming at u, but as an ape i know u are mentally deaf. dino n man footprints 2gether, all sorts of evidence is piled against u
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Really now? A bunch of secondary accounts written by various unverified sources long after the death of the character in question constitutes more evidence than the mummified bodies of Egyptian emperors? You're a silly little sub person.
hockeater 4 months ago
@deep7100 Caesar was dead decades before the supposed birth of Jesus. There are no petrofied trees running through layers millions of years apart. There is NO evidence against evolution, none at all.
gamesbok 3 months ago
and my advice i'll give u from Jesus himself, "take heed that no man deceive u" that means even me n da guy that taught u this crap about living thins comin from non life. peace kid its been a pleasure actually n fun.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 So now you're insinuating that your imaginary friend invented broken english? Interesting claim if totally laughable. Debates aren't won by changing the mind of the opponent. You merely convince the majority that your opponent is wrong. Thus comes the fact that young earth creationists are even more in the minority than atheists and that even other sects of christianty mock you regularly. Lets face it your group is quickly fading into joking obscurity.
hockeater 4 months ago
wit yur logic, a human like men n woman who cant reproduce is not human cause they cant reproduce another human. lmao lol lol now im having fun!!!!! just step back n look at yur thinking man, u are better than this n better than them phd's evolutionary biologists, its already proven that thats their religion not a science where u can test n observe u said it yurself, u cant see da changes from generations 2 generations cause ITS SO SLOW. ima give u an advice from Jesus.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Could they have reproduced in an earlier point in their lives? Human. If not you have something lacking one or more of the basic features required to fit under full human classification.
hockeater 4 months ago
wit yur logic, a human like men n woman who cant reproduce is not human cause they cant reproduce another human. lmao lol lol now im having fun!!!!! just step back n look at yur thinking man, u are better than this n better than them phd's evolutionary biologists, its already proven that thats their religion not a science where u can test n observe u said it yurself, u cant see da changes from generations 2 generations cause ITS SO SLOW. ima give u an advice from Jesus.
deep7100 4 months ago
now u are lying out of yur rectum n it stinks, stop saying cause it just happens u aint foolin no one not even former evolutionary biologists wit phd's who stopped believing in that dumb theory cause of the overwhelming evidence of a creator theu saw in their studies. tell me a case when plants have produced something other that is not a plant? all we see is plants produce plants, if u wanna believe they produce something other than a plant go n shoot yurself but thats not science anymore lmao
deep7100 4 months ago
bacteria produces a number of bacterias but their still bacteria, same for viruses, n even humans, yes ignorant 1, humans. all we see is humans produce humans no matter how different da color of their skin, size, n shape of their bodies. are u tellin me that you'll put yur life on da line that humans will 1 day produce non humans? i hate 2 even ask this question because its dehumanizing n even though thats yur belief i think better of u than u do yurself. dont think like that of yurself brother.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Define human in extremely precise terms. Evolution is an extremely gradual process and 150000 years is simply woefully inadequate on the timescale we'd be using in this context. Not to mention the changes would be so gradual you wouldn't notice generation to generation. You'd have to keep a precise record of a starting specimen and live long enough to catalog the differences over time which would be nearly impossible.
hockeater 4 months ago
"the entire canyon is an erosion mark" u are full of it kid, u still cant explain why we find human skeletons in those so called layers where dinos are buried. just explain that please... scientists rely on on this fossil record n conclude that all these fossils are evidence of their evolutionary history. so that was a theory until a skeleton n other human made things were found on those fossil beds where humans according to yur debunked theory shouldnt be because they have not evolved yet.. smh
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Simple the earths crust is only a semi stable gradually moving object and the movement and interaction of layers does occasionally happen. It's important to study these interactions rather than blindly asserting positions on them. In other words do more than five minutes of research when dealing with scientific topics.
hockeater 4 months ago
this is wat science is soppose 2 be about, you come up wit a theory or hypothesis, n if u find evidence that refutes yur theory u throw that theory or hypothesis away n come up wit a new 1, but obviously y'all blindly hold on 2 this dying theory for personal motives, as for da source of da former evolutionary biologist, look up dr Rick Oliver n listen 2 his testimony n how he was biased against christians in his classroom. da video is called evolutionary biologist loses faith in evolution.
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Ah like the story you believe in where a single couple who had no daughters were the start of an entire species presumably with massive mother son incest and birth defects. You're stories are what's dying and the world is a better place for it. Further your creationist webshite claptrap from a single biased and likely lying idiot means nothing in the face of raw statistical data. You've nothing but appeals to ignorance and emotion and some fake evidence. Learn to debate properly.
hockeater 4 months ago
im not a debater n u dont need 2 take a debating class 2 win 1 although im not debating 4 da purpose of winning, im doing this just 2 see if u atheists have any rationality in yur thinking 2 conclude their isnt a God who who obviously designed u. but i will use yur arguments against u by saying yur not refuting my evidences yur attacking me which is a sign that u cant refute wat i say, attacking me has nothing to do wit da evidence u evolving monkey lol lol dont be offended thats way u say u are
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Who on earth said I was debating to change the minds of dipshits like you? I do this as a way of entertainment in the form public ridicule of the mentally challenged acceptable targets. That's all you creationists are good for anyway. In terms of stopping you from slowing the worlds progress all I have to do is wait for your little group to die out in a see of laughter. You nor anyone from your group have any actual relevance beyond this entertainment.
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deep7100 4 months ago
scientists that saw da mount st helens volcano erupt observed a canyon formation wit layers of strata without erosion marks, so why cant u consider da fact that the grand canyon was formed da same way 4400 years ago in da flood of noah which would be da best explanation since it has no erosion marks. n dat dumb geologic column n da so called fossil record doesnt exist no where but in textbooks. n can u explain da findings of human skeletons n tools that have been found in layers millions of yrs?
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Because A: The entire canyon is an erosion mark, the Colorado river is still eroding it at a measurable yearly rate, and your flood is one of the most hilariously easy to disprove stories in the bible (Quite a lofty position in THAT book). Museums, scientific journals, textbooks, various labs around the world all have these fossils. Source on that last claim so as to prove you're not lying? We've been on this planet roughly 150000 years.
hockeater 4 months ago
theres alot of things evolutionists cannot explain cause that theory does not have sufficient ground to do so wit so many gaps n da whole chain of missing links still not discovered cause da ones they have shown have been debunked like lucy, archaeoptryx or however u spell that, n so forth. but like da bible says, "they are willingly ignorant of da flood" can u explain why their are evolutionary biologists changing their faiths 2 christianity n believing in Jesus? i can give u da sources 2
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Again Christian scientists I mentioned earlier. Seriously pay attention for once.
hockeater 4 months ago
if u believe in evolution then u also have 2 believe da big bang n dat debunked theory says that da sun moon n stars were created first. so i wonder how they can fit that into da bible although i know but they have to twist n turn so many things is hard 2 take them serious sometimes cause its just rediculous knowin u just cant fit evolution n creation 2gether, its clear that someone is completely wrong n trust God it is y'all. the grand canyon formed da grand canyon... what are u saying? smh
deep7100 4 months ago
@deep7100 Again non literal bible. Are you really that ignorant of the world? Also did you just claim that the grand canyon formed itself? Is it some amazing time transcending being now? Forget Yahweh guys this guy believes the GRAND CANYON transcends time!
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