I am skeptical of some of the claims of Roswell. Do I believe in ET? Yes. I believe they are the fallen angels described in the Bible. See Ezekiel Chapters 1 and 10. Daniel 10:5-6, Revelation 4:6-8, Isaiah 6:2,6, Daniel 9:21.
@Meskiagkasher "That God you worship is purely imaginary. And you know it" What an ignorant statement. Obviously he has seen something that you havent, probably due to your skeptism and rebellious nature. Its beyond rude to tell someone that they are lying about what they believe in.
@HKOverload117 I can offer some facts on psychosis. A person can become psychotic from severe depression alone without a genetic factor. Also there can be a spiritual component. A trauma(from an emotionally traumatic experience) to the heart. ie. abuse. I know three people personally, that were diagnosed. When you have been touched by God, you know it. No mind tricks involved.
@TheSoulamore You are begging the question. You must assume there is a god of your preference before you "witness" him/her/it. There's no accident that people "experience" Allah in the Middle East, Jesus in the Bible Belt, Vishnu or Krishna in India, and the Great Habungabunga Boo in central Africa. Geography has to do with your belief, not any spiritual force imagined.
"Allah in the Middle East, Jesus in the Bible Belt.." If you actually studied the Bible (OT) you would see why this is perhaps an ignorant statement on your behalf. I refer you to Ishmael and Isaac for starters, as the prophecy is relevant to this day and to the news of today. Everything that is happening in the middle east is a direct result of the actions of Abraham and his wife's hand maiden. You want proof? Study! I have done so with your religions claims.
@maximusjay I have read the Bible, and have read excerpts from the Qu'ran, as well. I was a strict Catholic for many years before losing my beliefs. Again, you are committing an ad hoc fallacy - you use current events to justify vague statements made in those holy books. Now, if there were unambiguous statements in those holy books linking to current events, I might reconsider. As it is, scripture can practically be interpreted in any shape or form.
@HKOverlord117 "There's no accident that people "experience" Allah in the Middle East" Thats pure conjecture. If you knew the Bible, you would know that there is a false messiah. Satan can show up as an angel of light, so youre imposing your ignorance on others. Also there is a difference between Religion and Christianity. I dont believe in Religion!
@HKOverLord I agree with Maximus. People tend to trample on these type of things. I will say this though, there is a way to reach other realms and I saw people miraculously healed with my own eyes. Just because it didnt happen for everyone, doesnt prove anything. Something to think about...
@TheSoulamore It is in the nature of people to question events of a questionable nature. How else would we be able to establish what is real and what is not?
"It is in the nature of people to question events of a questionable nature" The problem is that you believe that you exist in a physical form. That is of a questionable nature. There are many reasons to believe that you do not exist in any physical form. How do you prove definitively that you exist? You can't use evidence from another witness because how do we know if they exist? Can this all be a dream? That is the problem. Life is spiritual not physical.
@maximusjay Can you prove your spiritual hypothesis? How can you prove, definitively, that your theology is correct? How can you prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that what you believe is true, and what others do is false?
My theology? "How can you prove, definitively, that your theology is correct" Unless you have seen a UFO you cannot be certain. I have seen the proverbial UFO. Why? Because I had no expectation that it did not exist. I do however have a doubt that I exist in physical form. Can I prove a spiritual hypothesis to you? Absolutely not. You may not even exist.
How do you determine the probability that something exists, or does not exist, beyond the observable universe? There are strong theories that nothing exists in our universe until it is observed. Experiments have proven that something observed and not observed reacts differently. Does this not suggest intelligent design?
@maximusjay Quantum mechanics is a wonderfully bizarre scientific theory, but it is formed on the basis of observation and repeated testing. Intelligent design has nothing to do with quantum mechanics; it is a biological "theory", and one that uses the gaps in our understanding of evolutionary biology to plug its fantastical claims.
"Intelligent design has nothing to do with quantum mechanics" That is not a rational hypothesis. "evolutionary biology" Show me proof that any scientist has staked his reputation on any claim that evolution exists within a species and between unrelated species. I think that you will find that evolution between unrelated species is theoretical. So much for "fantastical claims" Evolution between species is thus far proven a fraud.
@maximusjay Evolution doesn't occur between unrelated species, because those species have already branched apart DUE TO evolution. Evolution is not linear, nor is it criss-crossing between species. It is a tree. What you claim to be a "fraud" is not even a scientific claim, from evolutionary biologists.
As for "not a rational hypothesis", if you can't present your argument, it's all just hot air. What's your evidence?
"those species have already branched apart DUE TO evolution" Friend. This is unsubstantiated theory. Where are the transitional fossils? In other words it is not hypocritical to say it is hot air.
"Evolution is not linear, nor is it criss-crossing between species" Strange that this theory has not evidence in your own science. In fact there are fatal flaws in it. How do yo explain the thousand of species that did not "branch"? There is diversity and evolution within species.
I have experienced the supernatural. When i studied the Bible, i found that only those that diligently seek God will find him. Those who deny him, put faith in themselves and they find themselves alone in the end. I've lived without God and now i will live the rest of my life with him.
@TheSoulamore How exactly did you experience the supernatural? Can you furnish any unambiguous proof? FYI, I am an atheist, but I am genuinely curious.
Have you ever had a dream that you thought was real? The world has been fooled into thinking that a semi-permanant state is real, and a permeant state is an illusion. How can something be real that has an expiration date? It is real when? yesterday? Today? tomorrow? Your real then would be relative, as it has to be considered in proportion to time. It is therefore not an absolute. Spiritual isn't relative as it is not measured against anything else. Spiritual has to be absolute.
@maximusjay Therein lies the reason for the weakness, and the unreasonableness, of belief. You have a personal experience you don't wish to share, but want people to believe it anyway? Your statement of fiat in your "lack of doubt" hardly alleviates that problem.
If you don't wish to have your experiences ridiculed by my less cultured brethren, you could PM me.
"Therein lies the reason for the weakness" If you saw a UFO or Bigfoot, you would be a believer, yet no one would believe you except one who has shared the experience. I believe TheSoulamore. Why? Because we share a unique experience. Your problem is that you are a skeptical seeker. If you were not, you would have had similar experiences already and you would not be agnostic. To share my personal experiences with you would infringe on my privacy. They are well known.
@maximusjay If I saw a UFO or Bigfoot, I would question my sensory faculties. I would ask people nearby if they witnessed something similar. Being skeptical is not my weakness, it is my strength. It is how I distinguish reality from fantasy.
"question...faculties" Therein lies the problem. You don't even trust what you have seen with your own eyes. Why would you trust anyone else? John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." There is more to it than this however. The more we come to understand what the word of God is, and NOT WHAT WE THINK IT IS, the more we come to understand and the more what we understand is confirmed.
"Being skeptical is not my weakness, it is my strength" Being skeptical is your curse. There is not room for confirmation because you are not building on a foundation. You are building on sand that will be washed away. What is not real is the state that you are in in which you are convinced is real. Real is permanent. The physical will fade away because it is an illusion. The spiritual endures and will never perish. Come to understand this simple concept and you will be free.
I must ask you, then, you who disdain skepticism and rational inquiry - do you believe in the Yeti? The Loch Ness Monster? Klingons? Middle-Earth? If you do not, then you will begin to understand why I do not believe in your god.
"Yeti?" Open minded. "The Loch Ness Monster?" Open minded. "Klingons?" Klingons? how am I to answer that? Yes they exist in context. Middle-Earth? What the hell is middle earth? Bigfoot? I believe they exist. UFO's? Seen one, along with 400 other witnesses. They exist.
"If you are that open minded, then you are wasting your time considering ALL possibilities imaginable AND unimaginable" I have an open mind to the claims of science as should any Christian. However, there is nothing in science that is outside of my understanding of that which is taught in the Bible. I do have to wonder why some atheists go to such lengths to counterfeit evidence to try to bolster their position. Would it really kill them to find that they are wrong?
@maximusjay Counterfeit evidence? I resent your unfounded allegation. Also, I must point out that you are committing an ad hoc fallacy; you take whatever scientific facts suits you and proclaim the inerrancy of the Bible, but you reject the obviously false 6-day creation, flat Earth, geocentrism, among other falsehoods.
"Counterfeit evidence? I resent your unfounded allegation" It was not directed at you. I refer to the following: APE-MEN; Piltdown man, Nebraska man, Java man, Orce man, Neanderthal (actually human), Lucy (Lucy ain't no lady), Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis, Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny, DNA Hybridization. There are hundreds more if you are interested. I have studied these claims for years. Evolution between species is darwinists (atheist) theory. There are no missing links.
Search: UFO sightings in Winter Haven FL on 2007-11-17.
400 witnessed this event. Cell phones galore, guy beside me took video. The event headed west over Gulf of Mexico & later spotted in Texas where there was a daylight report that it was over a mile wide. From our point of view it was one craft that entered the atmosphere, spectacularly broke into several fiery craft that burned out then merged back into one duck formation, took turns winking on and off then flew off slowly.
@maximusjay The only mention of this event I've seen is one site online, with two witnesses mentioned. I sincerely hope you're not fabricating your evidence. If you could direct me to a link - something more concrete - that would be helpful.
"with two witnesses mentioned" I found that one also. There is another one the same page which is closer to my account. I find it interesting that the two said that the craft landed, and that it was chased by fighters. There is a base nearby. We saw no other craft in the area (no fighters) and we did not see it land. We watched it for at least 10 minutes until it faded from sight. More concrete? "OH MY GOD!"... That was my reaction at the time... Everyone I saw was in shock.
@maximusjay Could you provide the reference? Again, not being dismissal; I would like to see the source is all. That is, after all, what any rational person would do before accepting a story.
"Being skeptical" If you lived 2000 years ago and followed the same skeptical road, where would it get you? If someone described any of our modern technology, where would it have left you? You must understand that the five senses are an illusion. What you see? You are seeing through a lens. What you feel? It is a series of nerve impulses. What you taste? It is translated into an organized response to a stimuli. Hear? It is a vibration on a bone. What is real about all of that?
@maximusjay It is more real than Jesus and the Holy Spirit. What I sense can be correlated with others' sensory experiences. Notice - schizophrenics and psychotics frequently "see" things others don't. Does this not sound like your spiritual knowledge?
"schizophrenics and psychotics frequently "see" things others don't" Are you so sure they are not seeing something spiritual that others are not? There are evil spirits as well.
No offense, but why do people want to convince others that God doesnt exist? There is more evidence that he lives then there is that he doesnt. Your word is not proof of your claim. Its pessimism, maybe even a control and power trip. What meaning or hope is there in life without God?none
WO WO WO unto you, Korihor! Jesus is the Christ! Joseph Smith was His prophet, through whom He restored His Church in these last days. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true Church on the face of the earth. The Book of Mormon is a second witness to the world that Jesus is the Christ. I know these things are true by the power of the Holy Ghost who manifested it to me. If you do not repent of this evil, you will be damned in Hell. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Keep wearing your stupid magic underwear while reading that fairytale book of mormon and tell yourselves that you will become gods. you ppl have been lied to joseoh smith was convicted of lying about glass looking and yet you still believe his stupid cult? you ppl are willingly ignorant and God will deal with you all on judgement day and nomatter how many "good works" you ppl have done it will not matter you have done exactly what the Bible says about the antichrist you are claiming to be gods.
Whenever I hear anything about Mormon missionaries, the movie "Latter Days" springs to mind. I love Jacqueline Bisset's line at the end of that movie in reference to the faith.
what a small-minded idiot. jesus on the cross? and what? how does a human sacrifice change anything? why does a death appease a deity? and vicarious redemption is a deeply immoral proposition.
but that's nothing against the immorality of inventing a deity.
Mom...is that you! If you are right, then who will ever know. But if you are wrong "pity the poor fool". You however have a problem with me having Faith in Christ and knowing that it does not end here. I said I had no problem with where you have set your goals, as I agree with you that for you it ends here. So what is your problem? God Bless
@maximusjay what's this babble about "for you" or "for me"? personal opinion does not change reality. reality is what remains even if you stop believing.
the problem is that you spread disinformation about how the world is. claims about a deity are not justified. you are harming present and future generations.
"We are spiritual beings having a human experience and not human beings having a spiritual experience". Real is not flesh. Real is spirit. The flesh will end.
@maximusjay when the flesh ends, any spirit (if existing) also ends.
why can't you accept the simple biological fact that death means the end of the individual?
the inability to accept death is the very origin of all religion, all deriving from ancestor worship. once it was forgotten who the worshiped ancestors were, they became gods.
the supernatural is imaginary. you really should grow up. the biblical deity is no more real than the easter bunny, and for the same reasons.
You will gain all that you have an expectation of. For you after this life it all ends. I agree with you. For you it will all end. So what is your problem with me knowing that it does not end for me? After all we are in agreement as to your fate.
@maximusjay You are deluded to think that your existence does not end with death. And you obviously have no clue what the word "know" means or how knowledge is gained in the first place. You are just another religionist nutjob. You are wasting your and other people's lives by adhering to the supernatural instead of doing something purposeful.
@maximusjay You are a Christian? That *is* a religionist nutjob.You adhere to a fabricated jewish deity that is a ssigned a bad character. And Christianity is a highly immoral proposition, as it assumes that the sacrifice of a life somehow placates a deity and as it postulates vicarious redemption.
And as for the afterlife: the burden of proof is on the one who claimes that there is one.
"And as for the afterlife: the burden of proof is on the one who claimes that there is one"
So you get to set the rules lord? As I have said: For you it all ends after this life. I happen to agree with that for you and as I have said, I have no problem with that. As to me, this life is nothing but a temporary state. It is not real and it will end. Only the spiritual is real and continues on forever. You have been deceived.
too all the non mormons or fallen away people is there evidence to prove everything i the bible no! wheres the original bible no one knows for sure! mormons believe in the same god and jesus! the mormon bible isnt a translation its putting back what was taken out
I remember God allowing me to experience this very thing..As I witnessed to another the Holy Spirit moved as I spoke..Tears filled my eyes..heart felt as it was being ripped apart..In that moment I spoke the words...don't you know I would die for you.. I will never forget the love God has for each of us..
I do not know what this guy is on about. I use to be a Mormon. I did not, however, leave because I didn't believe that Mormons are not Christians. I left and I will not go back because I found out the truth about Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was a story teller and a liar. God has blessed me with finding something that proves to me the truth about that man. The LDS Church would be a well Church if everyone else would open their eyes and find out the truth and change the Church ways.
@jtomally9681 To not honor Joseph Smith, or Brigham Young or any of the other false prophets. Mormons who do not know the truth or the secrets are lost and have blind faith. When I went through the Church as a child, I learned the same things as I do in the non-denominational Church I go to now. Not once did I ever learn about any of the true way of the old LDS before it was broken apart which is how the Fundamental LDS Church was born and still go by the old Mormon ways.
@jtomally9681 But even the Mormons of who I was in Church with as a child were Christians. A lot still are. The thing is they are lost and their faith is blind. God gave all of us the free will to choose. I chose to follow the right path. Christianity. I follow the Bible. And I encourage everyone to chose the right path and I will pray for all.
"Behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong" Revelation, the answer to all of life's little questions.
@jtomally9681 "For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep. For behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets"
@jtomally9681 "Not once did I ever learn about any of the true way of the old LDS before it was broken apart" I, personally, would be hesitant to disclose that I was "ignorant" of the teachings of a Church I was raised in. It tends to demonstrate your inability to investigate and take responsibility for your own learning process. I know everything about the history of the Church, I learned it as a youth, because I chose to. Knowledge doesn't require spoon feeding to be attained.
@civadminlaw You know nothing. Not one person on earth is equal to another in the way the brain is suppose to function. Just because you learned in one way does not mean at all that everyone can learn the exact same way. So don't reply to me with stupid idiotic crap you think you can pull. I do not fall for games people like you think you can pull.
@jtomally9681 Your statement is demonstrative of your point, not everyone learns. Nevertheless, you misunderstood. I made no mention of or judgment concerning preferred learning styles, rather, I clearly opined it's the duty and responsibility of the individual to attain his own understanding. Referencing your tone and your taking offense, does bring a scripture to mind, "wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center." Calm down a little.
@civadminlaw Now you are justifying and using the word of God to attack people. Not all little kids who are supposably as smart as you think you were when you were little knew that we needed to investigate the truth about God and the truth of his word. So don't go telling me that I am guilty of something that has nothing to do with it. Like I said before: you know nothing.
@jtomally9681 Let's read that again, "Not all little kids ... knew that we needed to investigate the truth about God and the truth of his word." Hmmm. Your adding the qualifier "little kids" which is puzzling. Did you abandon any desire or responsibility to investigate your beliefs before graduating into adolescence? We bear individual culpability for our progress, what we learn, and how we act. Most are empowered by this ideal it's self deprecating to blame others.
@civadminlaw I'm not blaming anyone for I not researching something when I was little. You must really be stupid if you think people can think for themselves as little kids. You are justifying and minimizing to make me look like I am rejecting self blame and guilt when there is no guilt or self blame for me to reject. You are still trying to attack me with your stupidness and I am laughing at you every time you reply with this stupidness you bring.
@jtomally9681 "You must really be stupid if you think people can think for themselves as little kids." Every child I have ever met, including my own, would disagree. Nevertheless it seems, from your responses, your reading comprehension is at a state which inhibits further attempts to engage in meaningful communication (e.g."You are still trying to attack me with your stupidness, I am laughing at you every time you reply with this stupidness you bring") Thank you for your time.
@jtomally9681 I don't feel our exchange constituted a "waste" of time, it saddens me the feeling lacked mutuality. I rather enjoyed exploring your application of logic, as well the eloquence contained within your several responses.
@civadminlaw So in other words, you enjoy insulting others by their ways of thinking which my way of thinking is mature unlike yours. People like you love to make things difficult for others. You have expressed that in all of your replies. If anyone is immature, it is you.
@jtomally9681 I wrote, "it saddens me the feeling lacked mutuality" you replied, "If anyone is immature, it is you." The incongruity between my statement and your retort supplies additional evidence to support my apprehension about the adequacy of your reading comprehension. It's very important that you carefully read before responding. Don't be offended, it's important to accept our shortcomings in order to improve and become better. If your unfamiliar with it look up "mutuality."
@civadminlaw Keep talking like you know how to talk and I do not. You are an absolute idiot. What I have been saying makes perfect sense so keep trying to make yourself look smarter when in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.
@jtomally9681 I am not "talking," even now I remain vocally silent. Precision in our selection of terms increases the likelihood our meaning will be understood. Nevertheless, "What I have been saying makes perfect sense," is another conclusory rebuttal, dependent wholly, on the premise your opinions constitute fact. Did you at least recognize your errant use of the appellation "immature?" I understand it was meant as a responsive retort, however, I made no mention of "maturity."
@civadminlaw You might as well give up while you are far behind. You think you have won well over me because you love to talk with such professional words. I can use the simplest words and still make you look like an idiot like I have been doing. We can have great conversations if you would talk like a person instead of a jerk who thinks he/she is smarter than everyone.
@jtomally9681 If you can not handle the heat, then stop talking to me. Otherwise, talk like you have some sense and I'll talk to you like you are a person.
@jtomally9681 Do you at minimum recognize the importance of careful consideration regarding your selection of phraseology? In order to convey an appropriate message, without the assistance of non-verbal queues in a written context, it's imperative we be concise. Aberrant usage of terms and the inability to make appropriate concessions defeats all sense of communication for the purpose of increasing understanding or knowledge, which after all should be our focused intent.
@jtomally9681 "I can use the simplest words..." Precisely. We may also have "great conversations" negative and unsavory epithets could be avoided. (e.g. “You know nothing” “stupid idiotic crap” “You must really be stupid” “I am laughing at you every time you reply with this stupidness you bring” “go bother someone else with your ridiculous talk” “If anyone is immature, it is you” “you look like an idiot”) "If you can not handle the heat" Are you implying I seem intimidated?
@civadminlaw Nope. I know you are not intimidated. I'm clearly making a point. Like I said before, you think you know how to talk just because you are so educated. Talking with simple words is just as powerful and you seem to not have any knowledge about that, otherwise you would not be trying to intimidate me with your professional talk. As I said before, talk to me like a person and I will treat you like a person. If not, keep being a jerk and I will keep treating you like one.
@jtomally9681 "I'm clearly making a point," Your "point" lacked the requisite clarity, which elucidates the content of my rejoinder. "talk to me like a person" The preceding sentiment is lacking in sufficient specificity for me to ascertain what precisely "a person" "talks .. like." I'm not sure mitigating the profundity contained in my grammatical exposition would provide more abundant clarification to the commentary. Nevertheless, a query, what "lies" did Joseph Smith "tell?"
@jtomally9681 Owing to the significant and overwhelmingly cumulative nature of disinformation conjured to discredit the Prophet, more specificity is required to tailor my inquiry to accurately identify the offending extra-contextual proposition. If indeed, "Joseph Smith was a story teller and a liar," as previously asserted, a dialogue concerning the nature of the disreputable conduct may illuminate perspective and provide necessary context to the relevant stories, and/or "lies."
My what a shining example of "missing the mark" in your attempt at overachievement. What you are missing in your ahhh... diatribe? is that the facts that you call "conjured" (interesting choice of words and I refer you to his talisman that was around his neck when he died) to discredit the "Prophet" all come directly out of your own Church history. Now put that in your hat along with your "peep-stone" and interpret it.
@maximusjay I acknowledge your right to comment in the stead of my intended recipient, but your inability to provide the requested information makes the trifling remark ineffective. I, in good conscience, lacked the requisite intent at satire, which support my writings being labeled a “diatribe.” Notwithstanding, I hope you are satisfied with this attempt to achieve any goal, however ill-conceived, you envisioned. If you desire to engage in a respectful dialogue, I'm amenable ....
... yet apprehensive. How many volumes of "Church History" have you internalized? What original thoughts, independent of the internet, would you add to the subject? I fear, judging from your initial remark, a regurgitation of derogatory search engine results are forthcoming. I remain, however, hopeful. Perhaps you hail from a more robust stock than jtomally9681. To which fundamental religious principles do you ascribe allegiance? How would you identify your religious paradigm?
You are putting on airs. An oval object dispensed form the abdomen of a warm-blooded vertebrate from a north american (avifauna) is still an egg silly. You are making yourself out to be a fool with a lot of time and a little thesaurus.
@maximusjay Are you intentionally maneuvering to avoid a direct substantive exchange, or is the obfuscation and personal attack a sign of unfamiliarity with the subject matter? I would appreciate any responsive commentary you feel qualified to render, however, I feel no pressure to employ a stylistic alternative to participate in what, arguably, is a less effective and base method of communication. I reiterate, "To which religious principles/denomination do you ascribe allegiance?"
cicad's choice to use superfluous (unnecessary) language is not a sign of intelligence. It is a sign of overcompensation. In other words, there is an inferiority complex at work. Take pity. You are the light of his or her life. God Bless
@maximusjay Yeah, I know. I'm not wasting anymore time on someone like that. Although I must say that I am wrong to be judging other people's faith. I should just simply say the truth that I do not agree with everything the LDS do. Some things I do agree with but not all. Check out my video of my testimony I uploaded about my Christianity.
I will check that out. Do you know about Adam's Road? If not google them.
"Although I must say that I am wrong to be judging other people's faith" We are to contend for the Christian Faith against those who are attempting to "add leaven to the bread". Keep it up. As with Micah from Adam's Road, you never know when it will bear fruit.
"I followed a particular religion my whole life and knew it to be true and lived my life serving God.....I then realized that I wasn't really serving God, and am now another religion, and am not actually serving the one true God and I know I'm not wrong this time." How silly.
LDS reject the emphasis of the New Testament of the CROSS of Christ. I am not sure how it is that they can have the audacity to claim to be Christians. They are not Christians but Pagans.
@bayreuth79 the lds church follows how the new testament was taught but the focus on the death of jesus as a negative but a positive because with out him dying for us all our sins wouldnt be forgiven
@bayreuth79 "And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." Yep, they definitely don't believe in Jesus.
@civadminlaw Hmmm. This is a rather superficial response. Mormons claim that the Bible is only true in so far as it has been translated correctly, which means in effect that the source of religious authority in Mormonism is not the Bible, but the Book of Mormon (& the other Mormon scriptures) and the leaders of the Church. If these sources are false (and there is no evidence that they are true) then it follows that Mormons do not follow Christ but a Christ partially invented by J Smith, etc.
"the source of religious authority in Mormonism is not the Bible." You're correct. However, for "Mormons" God is the "source of religious authority." As has been common practice throughout all of recorded time, God speaks to mankind, if they listen. When one supposes, as "Christians" do, that one book contains all of his relevant guidance, they rob themselves of understanding, replaced with "interpretation." Nevertheless, our doctrines agree absolutely with the Bible.
@bayreuth79, Please, in future posts, refrain from using "logic" in your arguments. As evidenced by your comment, it appears to not be your strong suit. (e.g. "if these sources are false (and there is no evidence that they are true)") The preceding is merely a statement of conjecture on your part which requires extraneous opinion to arrive at your faulty "premise." (then it follows that Mormons do not follow Christ but a Christ partially invented by J Smith, etc.) Thanks.
wat a ridiculous thing to say! if yeshua did live and later die on the cross the last throught on his mind would have been a stranger from thousands of years into the future whose language he didn't even understand.
Ok..time out...lets cut to the chase..there is not one single person alive today..or has ever lived who has the knowledge or the right to claim to have knowledge of anything outside of our physical world We all have the ability to ask questions and judge for ourselves whether the answers we get have merit grow up people enjoy life,love your family and friends and anyone who shares your values,think freely and ignore anyone who claims to have the answers..THEY DONT...QED...Live long and prosper
Ok..time out...lets cut to the chase..there is not one single person alive today..or has ever lived who has the knowledge or the right to claim to have knowledge of anything outside of our physical world We all have the ability to ask questions and judge for ourselves whether the answers we get have merit grow up people enjoy life,love your family and friends and anyone who shares your values,think freely and ignore anyone who claims to have the answers..THEY DONT...QED...Live long and prosper
@JesusTubeUSA no its people like who try to make mormonsim contrary to the bible,your exactly right god is not a changing god,but unfortunately for you bible thumpers your 3 headed schizoid god does not exist,the apostle paul even warns about the "unknown" god you believe in.
From quite possibly the dumbest religion to a little less idiotic religion, only a little less. Congrats. You should smoke some weed and look through a microscope and watch some space documentaries.
FACT Joseph Smith was shot in prison by a mob. I'm not a mo-mo nor do I believe their church, but when you say stuff that's so obviously false you make yourself look like a blabbering fool.
Equal rights to plan for your family? what in the hell does that mean?
@darktalon9, when someone means "equal rights to plan for a family," the are referring to over 1,000 rights and privileges with come with being married including taxation (benefits, mainly), "next of kin" privileges (endless list of where this applies), the rights of the surviving partner to collect benefits following the death of their partners, parental rights (ask anyone in Florida where this is REALLY an issue), etc. etc. etc.
@oneworldguy That isn't what is going on. You think this is for some tax exemptions and the right to raise children? The homosexual agenda is about making homosexuality normal. Which it isn't. It is a sin a direct defiant act to go against God's authority. It is a life of sin and there will be no hope in it. Just as there is no goodness that comes out of adultery, lying, coveting, murdering, blaspheming. It is plain and simple sinful and worse a abomination.
@BrotherMichael1000, is that the best you have? You have a conclusion but no facts or evidence. You've got some REAL work to do to convince a mind of reason, my friend. You've got even MORE work to do in convincing someone who didn't CHOOSE it yet is COMFORTABLE with himself that it is exactly what you say it is.
Try this... Speak from your heart and mind and NOT from the scriptures. If you can't do this, then you've got a long way to go to convince even YOURSELF of your views.
I didn't know Gary Busey 0:01 was a Christian....
OptikRise 20 hours ago
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TheSoulamore 3 days ago
@TheSoulamore
I am skeptical of some of the claims of Roswell. Do I believe in ET? Yes. I believe they are the fallen angels described in the Bible. See Ezekiel Chapters 1 and 10. Daniel 10:5-6, Revelation 4:6-8, Isaiah 6:2,6, Daniel 9:21.
maximusjay 2 days ago
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TheSoulamore 3 days ago
@TheSoulamore
I actually found that when I was searching to see if anyone had reported my sighting. I have not listened to it yet.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@Maximusjay Hee...What did you have in mind? This i know of Athiests. They cant stand the thought of bowing down to another being.
TheSoulamore 3 days ago
@TheSoulamore "This i know of Athiests. They cant stand the thought of bowing down to another being."
There is no reason to bow before imaginary beings. That's the entire point.
Meskiagkasher 3 days ago
@Meskiagkasher
"There is no reason to bow before imaginary beings. That's the entire point" I agree with you. We worship only God.
maximusjay 2 days ago
@maximusjay That God you worship is purely imaginary. And you know it.
Meskiagkasher 2 days ago
@Meskiagkasher "That God you worship is purely imaginary. And you know it" What an ignorant statement. Obviously he has seen something that you havent, probably due to your skeptism and rebellious nature. Its beyond rude to tell someone that they are lying about what they believe in.
TheSoulamore 1 day ago
@TheSoulamore He has seen nothing. He is a liar if he claims he has. Welcome to the real world. Step out of your religious bubble.
Meskiagkasher 29 minutes ago
@HKOverload117 I can offer some facts on psychosis. A person can become psychotic from severe depression alone without a genetic factor. Also there can be a spiritual component. A trauma(from an emotionally traumatic experience) to the heart. ie. abuse. I know three people personally, that were diagnosed. When you have been touched by God, you know it. No mind tricks involved.
TheSoulamore 3 days ago
@TheSoulamore
A lot of atheists are under strong delusions. Should we let them in on the cause?
maximusjay 3 days ago
@TheSoulamore You are begging the question. You must assume there is a god of your preference before you "witness" him/her/it. There's no accident that people "experience" Allah in the Middle East, Jesus in the Bible Belt, Vishnu or Krishna in India, and the Great Habungabunga Boo in central Africa. Geography has to do with your belief, not any spiritual force imagined.
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"Allah in the Middle East, Jesus in the Bible Belt.." If you actually studied the Bible (OT) you would see why this is perhaps an ignorant statement on your behalf. I refer you to Ishmael and Isaac for starters, as the prophecy is relevant to this day and to the news of today. Everything that is happening in the middle east is a direct result of the actions of Abraham and his wife's hand maiden. You want proof? Study! I have done so with your religions claims.
maximusjay 2 days ago
@maximusjay I have read the Bible, and have read excerpts from the Qu'ran, as well. I was a strict Catholic for many years before losing my beliefs. Again, you are committing an ad hoc fallacy - you use current events to justify vague statements made in those holy books. Now, if there were unambiguous statements in those holy books linking to current events, I might reconsider. As it is, scripture can practically be interpreted in any shape or form.
HKOverlord117 2 days ago
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@HKOverlord117 "There's no accident that people "experience" Allah in the Middle East" Thats pure conjecture. If you knew the Bible, you would know that there is a false messiah. Satan can show up as an angel of light, so youre imposing your ignorance on others. Also there is a difference between Religion and Christianity. I dont believe in Religion!
TheSoulamore 1 day ago
@juanjoseantoniopedro No. He thought he was Christian, but found out he wasnt.
TheSoulamore 3 days ago
Wait, he was a Christian who became a Christian? How does that work?
juanjoseantoniopedro 3 days ago
@HKOverLord I agree with Maximus. People tend to trample on these type of things. I will say this though, there is a way to reach other realms and I saw people miraculously healed with my own eyes. Just because it didnt happen for everyone, doesnt prove anything. Something to think about...
TheSoulamore 4 days ago
@TheSoulamore It is in the nature of people to question events of a questionable nature. How else would we be able to establish what is real and what is not?
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"It is in the nature of people to question events of a questionable nature" The problem is that you believe that you exist in a physical form. That is of a questionable nature. There are many reasons to believe that you do not exist in any physical form. How do you prove definitively that you exist? You can't use evidence from another witness because how do we know if they exist? Can this all be a dream? That is the problem. Life is spiritual not physical.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay Can you prove your spiritual hypothesis? How can you prove, definitively, that your theology is correct? How can you prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that what you believe is true, and what others do is false?
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
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@HKOverlord117
My theology? "How can you prove, definitively, that your theology is correct" Unless you have seen a UFO you cannot be certain. I have seen the proverbial UFO. Why? Because I had no expectation that it did not exist. I do however have a doubt that I exist in physical form. Can I prove a spiritual hypothesis to you? Absolutely not. You may not even exist.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
How do you determine the probability that something exists, or does not exist, beyond the observable universe? There are strong theories that nothing exists in our universe until it is observed. Experiments have proven that something observed and not observed reacts differently. Does this not suggest intelligent design?
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay Quantum mechanics is a wonderfully bizarre scientific theory, but it is formed on the basis of observation and repeated testing. Intelligent design has nothing to do with quantum mechanics; it is a biological "theory", and one that uses the gaps in our understanding of evolutionary biology to plug its fantastical claims.
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"Intelligent design has nothing to do with quantum mechanics" That is not a rational hypothesis. "evolutionary biology" Show me proof that any scientist has staked his reputation on any claim that evolution exists within a species and between unrelated species. I think that you will find that evolution between unrelated species is theoretical. So much for "fantastical claims" Evolution between species is thus far proven a fraud.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay Evolution doesn't occur between unrelated species, because those species have already branched apart DUE TO evolution. Evolution is not linear, nor is it criss-crossing between species. It is a tree. What you claim to be a "fraud" is not even a scientific claim, from evolutionary biologists.
As for "not a rational hypothesis", if you can't present your argument, it's all just hot air. What's your evidence?
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
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@HKOverlord117
"those species have already branched apart DUE TO evolution" Friend. This is unsubstantiated theory. Where are the transitional fossils? In other words it is not hypocritical to say it is hot air.
"Evolution is not linear, nor is it criss-crossing between species" Strange that this theory has not evidence in your own science. In fact there are fatal flaws in it. How do yo explain the thousand of species that did not "branch"? There is diversity and evolution within species.
maximusjay 2 days ago
I have experienced the supernatural. When i studied the Bible, i found that only those that diligently seek God will find him. Those who deny him, put faith in themselves and they find themselves alone in the end. I've lived without God and now i will live the rest of my life with him.
TheSoulamore 6 days ago
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oursedatedyouth 5 days ago
@TheSoulamore How exactly did you experience the supernatural? Can you furnish any unambiguous proof? FYI, I am an atheist, but I am genuinely curious.
HKOverlord117 4 days ago
@HKOverlord117
Have you ever had a dream that you thought was real? The world has been fooled into thinking that a semi-permanant state is real, and a permeant state is an illusion. How can something be real that has an expiration date? It is real when? yesterday? Today? tomorrow? Your real then would be relative, as it has to be considered in proportion to time. It is therefore not an absolute. Spiritual isn't relative as it is not measured against anything else. Spiritual has to be absolute.
maximusjay 4 days ago
@maximusjay Aside from all that waffle...your experience, please.
HKOverlord117 4 days ago
@HKOverlord117
Waffle? I have no doubt about the spiritual being real. No waffle. My experiences are personal however. They are not to be splayed out for ridicule.
maximusjay 4 days ago
@maximusjay Therein lies the reason for the weakness, and the unreasonableness, of belief. You have a personal experience you don't wish to share, but want people to believe it anyway? Your statement of fiat in your "lack of doubt" hardly alleviates that problem.
If you don't wish to have your experiences ridiculed by my less cultured brethren, you could PM me.
HKOverlord117 4 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"Therein lies the reason for the weakness" If you saw a UFO or Bigfoot, you would be a believer, yet no one would believe you except one who has shared the experience. I believe TheSoulamore. Why? Because we share a unique experience. Your problem is that you are a skeptical seeker. If you were not, you would have had similar experiences already and you would not be agnostic. To share my personal experiences with you would infringe on my privacy. They are well known.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay If I saw a UFO or Bigfoot, I would question my sensory faculties. I would ask people nearby if they witnessed something similar. Being skeptical is not my weakness, it is my strength. It is how I distinguish reality from fantasy.
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"question...faculties" Therein lies the problem. You don't even trust what you have seen with your own eyes. Why would you trust anyone else? John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." There is more to it than this however. The more we come to understand what the word of God is, and NOT WHAT WE THINK IT IS, the more we come to understand and the more what we understand is confirmed.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"Being skeptical is not my weakness, it is my strength" Being skeptical is your curse. There is not room for confirmation because you are not building on a foundation. You are building on sand that will be washed away. What is not real is the state that you are in in which you are convinced is real. Real is permanent. The physical will fade away because it is an illusion. The spiritual endures and will never perish. Come to understand this simple concept and you will be free.
maximusjay 3 days ago
I must ask you, then, you who disdain skepticism and rational inquiry - do you believe in the Yeti? The Loch Ness Monster? Klingons? Middle-Earth? If you do not, then you will begin to understand why I do not believe in your god.
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"Yeti?" Open minded. "The Loch Ness Monster?" Open minded. "Klingons?" Klingons? how am I to answer that? Yes they exist in context. Middle-Earth? What the hell is middle earth? Bigfoot? I believe they exist. UFO's? Seen one, along with 400 other witnesses. They exist.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay If you are that open minded, then you are wasting your time considering ALL possibilities imaginable AND unimaginable.
Klingons - do they exist in real life? I don't mean in Star Trek lore, but in reality.
Middle-Earth? Never read Lord of the Rings? You should, it's fantastic.
Bigfoot is the Yeti, albeit in American folklore.
UFOs - any evidence? Photos, videos?
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"If you are that open minded, then you are wasting your time considering ALL possibilities imaginable AND unimaginable" I have an open mind to the claims of science as should any Christian. However, there is nothing in science that is outside of my understanding of that which is taught in the Bible. I do have to wonder why some atheists go to such lengths to counterfeit evidence to try to bolster their position. Would it really kill them to find that they are wrong?
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay Counterfeit evidence? I resent your unfounded allegation. Also, I must point out that you are committing an ad hoc fallacy; you take whatever scientific facts suits you and proclaim the inerrancy of the Bible, but you reject the obviously false 6-day creation, flat Earth, geocentrism, among other falsehoods.
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"Counterfeit evidence? I resent your unfounded allegation" It was not directed at you. I refer to the following: APE-MEN; Piltdown man, Nebraska man, Java man, Orce man, Neanderthal (actually human), Lucy (Lucy ain't no lady), Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis, Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny, DNA Hybridization. There are hundreds more if you are interested. I have studied these claims for years. Evolution between species is darwinists (atheist) theory. There are no missing links.
maximusjay 2 days ago
@HKOverlord117
Search: UFO sightings in Winter Haven FL on 2007-11-17.
400 witnessed this event. Cell phones galore, guy beside me took video. The event headed west over Gulf of Mexico & later spotted in Texas where there was a daylight report that it was over a mile wide. From our point of view it was one craft that entered the atmosphere, spectacularly broke into several fiery craft that burned out then merged back into one duck formation, took turns winking on and off then flew off slowly.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay The only mention of this event I've seen is one site online, with two witnesses mentioned. I sincerely hope you're not fabricating your evidence. If you could direct me to a link - something more concrete - that would be helpful.
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"with two witnesses mentioned" I found that one also. There is another one the same page which is closer to my account. I find it interesting that the two said that the craft landed, and that it was chased by fighters. There is a base nearby. We saw no other craft in the area (no fighters) and we did not see it land. We watched it for at least 10 minutes until it faded from sight. More concrete? "OH MY GOD!"... That was my reaction at the time... Everyone I saw was in shock.
maximusjay 2 days ago
@maximusjay Could you provide the reference? Again, not being dismissal; I would like to see the source is all. That is, after all, what any rational person would do before accepting a story.
HKOverlord117 2 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"Being skeptical" If you lived 2000 years ago and followed the same skeptical road, where would it get you? If someone described any of our modern technology, where would it have left you? You must understand that the five senses are an illusion. What you see? You are seeing through a lens. What you feel? It is a series of nerve impulses. What you taste? It is translated into an organized response to a stimuli. Hear? It is a vibration on a bone. What is real about all of that?
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay It is more real than Jesus and the Holy Spirit. What I sense can be correlated with others' sensory experiences. Notice - schizophrenics and psychotics frequently "see" things others don't. Does this not sound like your spiritual knowledge?
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
"schizophrenics and psychotics frequently "see" things others don't" Are you so sure they are not seeing something spiritual that others are not? There are evil spirits as well.
maximusjay 3 days ago
@maximusjay No comment on that. Honestly...
HKOverlord117 3 days ago
@HKOverlord117
For kicks, check out the book "The holographic universe".
maximusjay 3 days ago
No offense, but why do people want to convince others that God doesnt exist? There is more evidence that he lives then there is that he doesnt. Your word is not proof of your claim. Its pessimism, maybe even a control and power trip. What meaning or hope is there in life without God?none
TheSoulamore 1 week ago
@TheSoulamore If there were any evidence then faith and religions would not exist.
Meskiagkasher 1 week ago
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WO WO WO unto you, Korihor! Jesus is the Christ! Joseph Smith was His prophet, through whom He restored His Church in these last days. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true Church on the face of the earth. The Book of Mormon is a second witness to the world that Jesus is the Christ. I know these things are true by the power of the Holy Ghost who manifested it to me. If you do not repent of this evil, you will be damned in Hell. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
tomndonnanz 1 week ago
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Keep wearing your stupid magic underwear while reading that fairytale book of mormon and tell yourselves that you will become gods. you ppl have been lied to joseoh smith was convicted of lying about glass looking and yet you still believe his stupid cult? you ppl are willingly ignorant and God will deal with you all on judgement day and nomatter how many "good works" you ppl have done it will not matter you have done exactly what the Bible says about the antichrist you are claiming to be gods.
JohnnyNyberg 1 week ago
greaaaat
floryn167 2 weeks ago
Whenever I hear anything about Mormon missionaries, the movie "Latter Days" springs to mind. I love Jacqueline Bisset's line at the end of that movie in reference to the faith.
RCSVirginia 2 weeks ago
what a small-minded idiot. jesus on the cross? and what? how does a human sacrifice change anything? why does a death appease a deity? and vicarious redemption is a deeply immoral proposition.
but that's nothing against the immorality of inventing a deity.
Meskiagkasher 2 weeks ago
@Meskiagkasher
Look for me this life is not the end. You should have no problem with that. For you it all ends here. I have no problem with that. God Bless
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
@maximusjay what do you mean with "for you" ?
you think the nature of the universe depends on your gut feeling? grow up.
Meskiagkasher 2 weeks ago
@Meskiagkasher
Mom...is that you! If you are right, then who will ever know. But if you are wrong "pity the poor fool". You however have a problem with me having Faith in Christ and knowing that it does not end here. I said I had no problem with where you have set your goals, as I agree with you that for you it ends here. So what is your problem? God Bless
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
@maximusjay what's this babble about "for you" or "for me"? personal opinion does not change reality. reality is what remains even if you stop believing.
the problem is that you spread disinformation about how the world is. claims about a deity are not justified. you are harming present and future generations.
Meskiagkasher 2 weeks ago
@Meskiagkasher "reality is what remains even if you stop believing" So we agree. The spiritual is the reality. God Bless
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
@maximusjay the spiritual has no reality whatsoever. otherwise who need to demonstrate that it has.
Meskiagkasher 2 weeks ago
@Meskiagkasher
"We are spiritual beings having a human experience and not human beings having a spiritual experience". Real is not flesh. Real is spirit. The flesh will end.
maximusjay 1 week ago
@maximusjay when the flesh ends, any spirit (if existing) also ends.
why can't you accept the simple biological fact that death means the end of the individual?
the inability to accept death is the very origin of all religion, all deriving from ancestor worship. once it was forgotten who the worshiped ancestors were, they became gods.
the supernatural is imaginary. you really should grow up. the biblical deity is no more real than the easter bunny, and for the same reasons.
Meskiagkasher 1 week ago
@Meskiagkasher
You will gain all that you have an expectation of. For you after this life it all ends. I agree with you. For you it will all end. So what is your problem with me knowing that it does not end for me? After all we are in agreement as to your fate.
maximusjay 1 week ago
@maximusjay You are deluded to think that your existence does not end with death. And you obviously have no clue what the word "know" means or how knowledge is gained in the first place. You are just another religionist nutjob. You are wasting your and other people's lives by adhering to the supernatural instead of doing something purposeful.
Meskiagkasher 1 week ago
@Meskiagkasher "You are just another religionist nutjob... doing something purposeful"
Enjoy your "purposeful life". For you it ends there and for me it is just beginning.
"You are deluded to think that your existence does not end with death"
What proof to you have? I am listening.
"You are just another religionist nutjob"
I have no Faith in religion. I leave that to the fools and the Atheists alike. I am a Christian.
maximusjay 6 days ago
@maximusjay You are a Christian? That *is* a religionist nutjob.You adhere to a fabricated jewish deity that is a ssigned a bad character. And Christianity is a highly immoral proposition, as it assumes that the sacrifice of a life somehow placates a deity and as it postulates vicarious redemption.
And as for the afterlife: the burden of proof is on the one who claimes that there is one.
Meskiagkasher 5 days ago
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@Meskiagkasher
"That *is* a religionist nutjob" Says you.
"And as for the afterlife: the burden of proof is on the one who claimes that there is one"
So you get to set the rules lord? As I have said: For you it all ends after this life. I happen to agree with that for you and as I have said, I have no problem with that. As to me, this life is nothing but a temporary state. It is not real and it will end. Only the spiritual is real and continues on forever. You have been deceived.
maximusjay 5 days ago
@Meskiagkasher
"Christianity is a highly immoral proposition" By what measure?
maximusjay 5 days ago
@maximusjay By every measure.
Meskiagkasher 3 days ago
@Meskiagkasher
Isn't that like saying all color is no color at all?
maximusjay 2 days ago
Why would you worship someone who killed his own son? Really
NessVlogMusic 3 weeks ago
@NessVlogMusic
The Romans killed Jesus silly. So if you scoff then what are you doing here? Former Mormon maybe? They are Atheists in denial.
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
too all the non mormons or fallen away people is there evidence to prove everything i the bible no! wheres the original bible no one knows for sure! mormons believe in the same god and jesus! the mormon bible isnt a translation its putting back what was taken out
jasontrevorhaye 3 weeks ago
I remember God allowing me to experience this very thing..As I witnessed to another the Holy Spirit moved as I spoke..Tears filled my eyes..heart felt as it was being ripped apart..In that moment I spoke the words...don't you know I would die for you.. I will never forget the love God has for each of us..
justcary 1 month ago
@justcary That's not called god, That's called autosuggestion.
Meskiagkasher 1 month ago
I do not know what this guy is on about. I use to be a Mormon. I did not, however, leave because I didn't believe that Mormons are not Christians. I left and I will not go back because I found out the truth about Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was a story teller and a liar. God has blessed me with finding something that proves to me the truth about that man. The LDS Church would be a well Church if everyone else would open their eyes and find out the truth and change the Church ways.
jtomally9681 1 month ago
@jtomally9681 To not honor Joseph Smith, or Brigham Young or any of the other false prophets. Mormons who do not know the truth or the secrets are lost and have blind faith. When I went through the Church as a child, I learned the same things as I do in the non-denominational Church I go to now. Not once did I ever learn about any of the true way of the old LDS before it was broken apart which is how the Fundamental LDS Church was born and still go by the old Mormon ways.
jtomally9681 1 month ago
@jtomally9681 But even the Mormons of who I was in Church with as a child were Christians. A lot still are. The thing is they are lost and their faith is blind. God gave all of us the free will to choose. I chose to follow the right path. Christianity. I follow the Bible. And I encourage everyone to chose the right path and I will pray for all.
jtomally9681 1 month ago
@jtomally9681 how do u know whats the right path
jasontrevorhaye 1 month ago
@jasontrevorhaye
"Behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong" Revelation, the answer to all of life's little questions.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw whats ur point
jasontrevorhaye 3 weeks ago
@jasontrevorhaye I was responding to your query, I apologize if my meaning was nuanced.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw what was my query remind me please
jasontrevorhaye 3 weeks ago
@jasontrevorhaye "how do u know whats the right path"
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw oh ok and i know that is how someone can know and also putting things in the right context and knowing and understanding things
jasontrevorhaye 3 weeks ago
@jasontrevorhaye sorry i kinda repeated what u said in ur first responds
jasontrevorhaye 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 "For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep. For behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets"
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 "Not once did I ever learn about any of the true way of the old LDS before it was broken apart" I, personally, would be hesitant to disclose that I was "ignorant" of the teachings of a Church I was raised in. It tends to demonstrate your inability to investigate and take responsibility for your own learning process. I know everything about the history of the Church, I learned it as a youth, because I chose to. Knowledge doesn't require spoon feeding to be attained.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw You know nothing. Not one person on earth is equal to another in the way the brain is suppose to function. Just because you learned in one way does not mean at all that everyone can learn the exact same way. So don't reply to me with stupid idiotic crap you think you can pull. I do not fall for games people like you think you can pull.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 Your statement is demonstrative of your point, not everyone learns. Nevertheless, you misunderstood. I made no mention of or judgment concerning preferred learning styles, rather, I clearly opined it's the duty and responsibility of the individual to attain his own understanding. Referencing your tone and your taking offense, does bring a scripture to mind, "wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center." Calm down a little.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw Now you are justifying and using the word of God to attack people. Not all little kids who are supposably as smart as you think you were when you were little knew that we needed to investigate the truth about God and the truth of his word. So don't go telling me that I am guilty of something that has nothing to do with it. Like I said before: you know nothing.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 Let's read that again, "Not all little kids ... knew that we needed to investigate the truth about God and the truth of his word." Hmmm. Your adding the qualifier "little kids" which is puzzling. Did you abandon any desire or responsibility to investigate your beliefs before graduating into adolescence? We bear individual culpability for our progress, what we learn, and how we act. Most are empowered by this ideal it's self deprecating to blame others.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 By way of an aside, I'm glad you agree the scriptural excerpt provided qualifies as "the word of God."
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw I'm not blaming anyone for I not researching something when I was little. You must really be stupid if you think people can think for themselves as little kids. You are justifying and minimizing to make me look like I am rejecting self blame and guilt when there is no guilt or self blame for me to reject. You are still trying to attack me with your stupidness and I am laughing at you every time you reply with this stupidness you bring.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 "You must really be stupid if you think people can think for themselves as little kids." Every child I have ever met, including my own, would disagree. Nevertheless it seems, from your responses, your reading comprehension is at a state which inhibits further attempts to engage in meaningful communication (e.g."You are still trying to attack me with your stupidness, I am laughing at you every time you reply with this stupidness you bring") Thank you for your time.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw Thank you for wasting my time. Now go bother someone else with your ridiculous talk.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 I don't feel our exchange constituted a "waste" of time, it saddens me the feeling lacked mutuality. I rather enjoyed exploring your application of logic, as well the eloquence contained within your several responses.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw So in other words, you enjoy insulting others by their ways of thinking which my way of thinking is mature unlike yours. People like you love to make things difficult for others. You have expressed that in all of your replies. If anyone is immature, it is you.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 I wrote, "it saddens me the feeling lacked mutuality" you replied, "If anyone is immature, it is you." The incongruity between my statement and your retort supplies additional evidence to support my apprehension about the adequacy of your reading comprehension. It's very important that you carefully read before responding. Don't be offended, it's important to accept our shortcomings in order to improve and become better. If your unfamiliar with it look up "mutuality."
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw Keep talking like you know how to talk and I do not. You are an absolute idiot. What I have been saying makes perfect sense so keep trying to make yourself look smarter when in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 I am not "talking," even now I remain vocally silent. Precision in our selection of terms increases the likelihood our meaning will be understood. Nevertheless, "What I have been saying makes perfect sense," is another conclusory rebuttal, dependent wholly, on the premise your opinions constitute fact. Did you at least recognize your errant use of the appellation "immature?" I understand it was meant as a responsive retort, however, I made no mention of "maturity."
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw You might as well give up while you are far behind. You think you have won well over me because you love to talk with such professional words. I can use the simplest words and still make you look like an idiot like I have been doing. We can have great conversations if you would talk like a person instead of a jerk who thinks he/she is smarter than everyone.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 If you can not handle the heat, then stop talking to me. Otherwise, talk like you have some sense and I'll talk to you like you are a person.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 Do you at minimum recognize the importance of careful consideration regarding your selection of phraseology? In order to convey an appropriate message, without the assistance of non-verbal queues in a written context, it's imperative we be concise. Aberrant usage of terms and the inability to make appropriate concessions defeats all sense of communication for the purpose of increasing understanding or knowledge, which after all should be our focused intent.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 "I can use the simplest words..." Precisely. We may also have "great conversations" negative and unsavory epithets could be avoided. (e.g. “You know nothing” “stupid idiotic crap” “You must really be stupid” “I am laughing at you every time you reply with this stupidness you bring” “go bother someone else with your ridiculous talk” “If anyone is immature, it is you” “you look like an idiot”) "If you can not handle the heat" Are you implying I seem intimidated?
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw Nope. I know you are not intimidated. I'm clearly making a point. Like I said before, you think you know how to talk just because you are so educated. Talking with simple words is just as powerful and you seem to not have any knowledge about that, otherwise you would not be trying to intimidate me with your professional talk. As I said before, talk to me like a person and I will treat you like a person. If not, keep being a jerk and I will keep treating you like one.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 "I'm clearly making a point," Your "point" lacked the requisite clarity, which elucidates the content of my rejoinder. "talk to me like a person" The preceding sentiment is lacking in sufficient specificity for me to ascertain what precisely "a person" "talks .. like." I'm not sure mitigating the profundity contained in my grammatical exposition would provide more abundant clarification to the commentary. Nevertheless, a query, what "lies" did Joseph Smith "tell?"
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw Since you are so smart, you look up the information and figure it out yourself.
jtomally9681 3 weeks ago
@jtomally9681 Owing to the significant and overwhelmingly cumulative nature of disinformation conjured to discredit the Prophet, more specificity is required to tailor my inquiry to accurately identify the offending extra-contextual proposition. If indeed, "Joseph Smith was a story teller and a liar," as previously asserted, a dialogue concerning the nature of the disreputable conduct may illuminate perspective and provide necessary context to the relevant stories, and/or "lies."
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw
My what a shining example of "missing the mark" in your attempt at overachievement. What you are missing in your ahhh... diatribe? is that the facts that you call "conjured" (interesting choice of words and I refer you to his talisman that was around his neck when he died) to discredit the "Prophet" all come directly out of your own Church history. Now put that in your hat along with your "peep-stone" and interpret it.
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
@maximusjay I acknowledge your right to comment in the stead of my intended recipient, but your inability to provide the requested information makes the trifling remark ineffective. I, in good conscience, lacked the requisite intent at satire, which support my writings being labeled a “diatribe.” Notwithstanding, I hope you are satisfied with this attempt to achieve any goal, however ill-conceived, you envisioned. If you desire to engage in a respectful dialogue, I'm amenable ....
civadminlaw 2 weeks ago
... yet apprehensive. How many volumes of "Church History" have you internalized? What original thoughts, independent of the internet, would you add to the subject? I fear, judging from your initial remark, a regurgitation of derogatory search engine results are forthcoming. I remain, however, hopeful. Perhaps you hail from a more robust stock than jtomally9681. To which fundamental religious principles do you ascribe allegiance? How would you identify your religious paradigm?
civadminlaw 2 weeks ago
@civadminlaw
You are putting on airs. An oval object dispensed form the abdomen of a warm-blooded vertebrate from a north american (avifauna) is still an egg silly. You are making yourself out to be a fool with a lot of time and a little thesaurus.
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
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@maximusjay Are you intentionally maneuvering to avoid a direct substantive exchange, or is the obfuscation and personal attack a sign of unfamiliarity with the subject matter? I would appreciate any responsive commentary you feel qualified to render, however, I feel no pressure to employ a stylistic alternative to participate in what, arguably, is a less effective and base method of communication. I reiterate, "To which religious principles/denomination do you ascribe allegiance?"
civadminlaw 2 weeks ago
@maximusjay I had previously expressed apprehension regarding your sincerity, and motivations, thus far you haven't disappointed.
civadminlaw 2 weeks ago
@jtomally9681
cicad's choice to use superfluous (unnecessary) language is not a sign of intelligence. It is a sign of overcompensation. In other words, there is an inferiority complex at work. Take pity. You are the light of his or her life. God Bless
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
@maximusjay Yeah, I know. I'm not wasting anymore time on someone like that. Although I must say that I am wrong to be judging other people's faith. I should just simply say the truth that I do not agree with everything the LDS do. Some things I do agree with but not all. Check out my video of my testimony I uploaded about my Christianity.
jtomally9681 2 weeks ago
@jtomally9681
I will check that out. Do you know about Adam's Road? If not google them.
"Although I must say that I am wrong to be judging other people's faith" We are to contend for the Christian Faith against those who are attempting to "add leaven to the bread". Keep it up. As with Micah from Adam's Road, you never know when it will bear fruit.
God Bless
maximusjay 2 weeks ago
"I followed a particular religion my whole life and knew it to be true and lived my life serving God.....I then realized that I wasn't really serving God, and am now another religion, and am not actually serving the one true God and I know I'm not wrong this time." How silly.
MyloDude22 1 month ago
@MyloDude22 oops, "am now actually serving....."
MyloDude22 1 month ago
LDS reject the emphasis of the New Testament of the CROSS of Christ. I am not sure how it is that they can have the audacity to claim to be Christians. They are not Christians but Pagans.
bayreuth79 1 month ago
@bayreuth79 the lds church follows how the new testament was taught but the focus on the death of jesus as a negative but a positive because with out him dying for us all our sins wouldnt be forgiven
jasontrevorhaye 1 month ago
@bayreuth79 "And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." Yep, they definitely don't believe in Jesus.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@civadminlaw Hmmm. This is a rather superficial response. Mormons claim that the Bible is only true in so far as it has been translated correctly, which means in effect that the source of religious authority in Mormonism is not the Bible, but the Book of Mormon (& the other Mormon scriptures) and the leaders of the Church. If these sources are false (and there is no evidence that they are true) then it follows that Mormons do not follow Christ but a Christ partially invented by J Smith, etc.
bayreuth79 3 weeks ago
"the source of religious authority in Mormonism is not the Bible." You're correct. However, for "Mormons" God is the "source of religious authority." As has been common practice throughout all of recorded time, God speaks to mankind, if they listen. When one supposes, as "Christians" do, that one book contains all of his relevant guidance, they rob themselves of understanding, replaced with "interpretation." Nevertheless, our doctrines agree absolutely with the Bible.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
@bayreuth79, Please, in future posts, refrain from using "logic" in your arguments. As evidenced by your comment, it appears to not be your strong suit. (e.g. "if these sources are false (and there is no evidence that they are true)") The preceding is merely a statement of conjecture on your part which requires extraneous opinion to arrive at your faulty "premise." (then it follows that Mormons do not follow Christ but a Christ partially invented by J Smith, etc.) Thanks.
civadminlaw 3 weeks ago
He was a missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and he had never really thought of Jesus "dying on the cross for him?" Hmmm.
civadminlaw 1 month ago
@civadminlaw thats his fault but the lds church teaches that jesus died for us all
jasontrevorhaye 1 month ago
wat a ridiculous thing to say! if yeshua did live and later die on the cross the last throught on his mind would have been a stranger from thousands of years into the future whose language he didn't even understand.
BoricuaChiTown 1 month ago
Thank God HE Wised Up and Found out
Ridiculous Mormonism is
Having Two Saviors is Just Blasphemy at its Highest Level
RikSalDim 1 month ago
@RikSalDim mormonism doesnt have two saviors
jasontrevorhaye 1 month ago
@jasontrevorhaye true. they have zero. as everybody else.
want to see a world without a god?
look around!
Meskiagkasher 1 month ago
@Meskiagkasher i do see it all around me and i havent given up
jasontrevorhaye 1 month ago
@jasontrevorhaye given up what?
a deity is not necessary for *anything*. get a grip on realty.
Meskiagkasher 1 month ago
@Meskiagkasher i havent given on god or jesus two year old who needs everything spelt out for you to understand
jasontrevorhaye 1 month ago
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@jasontrevorhaye "i havent given on god or jesus two year old who needs everything spelt out for you to understand"
that's not an english sentence.
Meskiagkasher 1 month ago
@RavenousSky The fact that a religion does not have god does not mean that it is not a lie!
mostafan 1 month ago
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Ok..time out...lets cut to the chase..there is not one single person alive today..or has ever lived who has the knowledge or the right to claim to have knowledge of anything outside of our physical world We all have the ability to ask questions and judge for ourselves whether the answers we get have merit grow up people enjoy life,love your family and friends and anyone who shares your values,think freely and ignore anyone who claims to have the answers..THEY DONT...QED...Live long and prosper
johnnywcahill 1 month ago
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Ok..time out...lets cut to the chase..there is not one single person alive today..or has ever lived who has the knowledge or the right to claim to have knowledge of anything outside of our physical world We all have the ability to ask questions and judge for ourselves whether the answers we get have merit grow up people enjoy life,love your family and friends and anyone who shares your values,think freely and ignore anyone who claims to have the answers..THEY DONT...QED...Live long and prosper
johnnywcahill 1 month ago
its funny because religion is a lie
Buck2120 1 month ago
mormon missionary becomes a christian. so he went from worse to bad?
youthank8 1 month ago
Hahahaha I love to see christies babbling about who is the more "true christian", the holier, the more righteous...
caralhoman 1 month ago
@caralhoman Dumb on dumb crime, yeah.
aluisious 1 month ago
lol, "becomes a christian." try a little research before naming your videos.
fujrts 2 months ago
@JesusTubeUSA you trying to explain what mormons believe is very laughable i mean that in the nicest way possible.
getdownto311 2 months ago
@JesusTubeUSA no its people like who try to make mormonsim contrary to the bible,your exactly right god is not a changing god,but unfortunately for you bible thumpers your 3 headed schizoid god does not exist,the apostle paul even warns about the "unknown" god you believe in.
getdownto311 2 months ago
From quite possibly the dumbest religion to a little less idiotic religion, only a little less. Congrats. You should smoke some weed and look through a microscope and watch some space documentaries.
FourthOsprey 2 months ago
wow what an absolutely beautiful image thanks for sharing brother :)
madlandlizard 2 months ago
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yeah, i believe that these people were fakers and an enemy of the church, sorry
to say this but all of you, are "pathetic". i KnoW all of us will be judged accordingly,
i do not know about you to where you're gonna be after the judgment, i think
you'll be in the outer darkness. YOU JUST DO NOT KNOW WHAT HEAVENLY FATHER AND JESUS CHRIST IS CAPABLE OF, SO BEWARE my brothers and sisters.
iyoyungaz 2 months ago
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oneworldguy 2 months ago
@oneworldguy
FACT Joseph Smith was shot in prison by a mob. I'm not a mo-mo nor do I believe their church, but when you say stuff that's so obviously false you make yourself look like a blabbering fool.
Equal rights to plan for your family? what in the hell does that mean?
darktalon9 2 months ago
@darktalon9, when someone means "equal rights to plan for a family," the are referring to over 1,000 rights and privileges with come with being married including taxation (benefits, mainly), "next of kin" privileges (endless list of where this applies), the rights of the surviving partner to collect benefits following the death of their partners, parental rights (ask anyone in Florida where this is REALLY an issue), etc. etc. etc.
oneworldguy 2 months ago
@oneworldguy That isn't what is going on. You think this is for some tax exemptions and the right to raise children? The homosexual agenda is about making homosexuality normal. Which it isn't. It is a sin a direct defiant act to go against God's authority. It is a life of sin and there will be no hope in it. Just as there is no goodness that comes out of adultery, lying, coveting, murdering, blaspheming. It is plain and simple sinful and worse a abomination.
BrotherMichael1000 1 month ago
@BrotherMichael1000, is that the best you have? You have a conclusion but no facts or evidence. You've got some REAL work to do to convince a mind of reason, my friend. You've got even MORE work to do in convincing someone who didn't CHOOSE it yet is COMFORTABLE with himself that it is exactly what you say it is.
Try this... Speak from your heart and mind and NOT from the scriptures. If you can't do this, then you've got a long way to go to convince even YOURSELF of your views.
oneworldguy 1 month ago