This video has been altered in a very stupid and obvious way. Just like the homo, not able to play on a level playing field. Nobody owes you anything. You're mentally ill, your conscience knows it. That's why you do terrible things to yourself.
The homo's owe Sally Kern an apology for this sham of a video. it's almost as bad as the sham they live by.
@aThinkingChristian Homophobic bigot. The Bible teaches love, not hate. By seeking vengeance upon anyone, you are a sinner. By seeking vengeance upon homosexuals, you are a sinner. By hating homosexuals, you are a sinner.
@ikevhawk Homophobic bigot? Idiot? Very non-hateful of you. LOL!!! You pro-gay people are so hypocritical (in addition to not having a clue about what the Bible teaches or says).
Homosexuals were put to DEATH in the Bible (Leviticus 18). And for the record, I don't hate homosexuals or anyone else. I hate their sin, though, and so does God. They are sinners in need of salvation in Christ. They were not born that way. It's a choice: a sinful choice. But they can be forgiven in Christ.
Hating people for a book written by men, inaccurately portraying what a loving God would really be like. You have no proof for your book. There were around 30 historians within the areas of which the fairy tales occur. Does it bother you that none of them wrote about it?
@ikevhawk You're really making a great case for your acceptance of others, especially those who don't think like you. LOL! Keep it up and you'll only hate half of America.
@ikevhawk And in how many of those 16 long years of life that you've had have you studied the Bible to make the claims you've made?
You see, it's easy to hide behind a user name and your computer and spout off like a big dog, but you're going to have to provide more substance from your own head instead of what you find on your favorite atheist website. You really should think before you type.
@aThinkingChristian Lastly, I'm not athiest. I believe in a loving God. However, I do not believe in your false prophets and your false beliefs. Where are the writings of historians and others who witnessed such events that are still glorified today? Where's the content? There's none. You have the Bible and the testaments.
A religion should teach people to be loving, not hateful as you are, and all the homophobes are.
@aThinkingChristian Furthermore, explain to me why such a thing as homosexuality is such an issue. Explain to me why over 500+ animal species also have homosexual urges, if it's not 'natural'. Explain to me what natural is, exactly. Walking on water? Lol, get over yourself, and accept people.
Why do you care if people are gay? Does it affect you at all? No, it doesn't. Not a single fuckin' bit. So why are you so headstrong about this? You're homophobic. That is why. You're a bigot.
@ikevhawk Why is homosexuality is an issue? Because God says it's a sin and wickedness. That's why. And if He says it's wrong then it IS wrong, no matter what you think or say, or what a million people think or say. God sets moral standards. He is 100% just and right.
The problem with you is that you imagine that you're some type of glorified animal. That comes from evolutionary indoctrination in your public school. You aren't an animal. God made you and HE sets the rules, like it or not.
@aThinkingChristian I'm 16, and I have already opened my mind to love. I understand people more than you, a person who's profile claims the age of 44.
I do not discriminate people, and I freely accept the people around me, because everyone, whether black, white, hispanic, gay, bisexual, or straight, can be loving, and a good person. I do not pay mind to trivial things such as a person's preferences. I accept people.
Unlike you and Hitler, I don't hate people for who they are.
@ikevhawk You're mind's not open to my beliefs. You're discriminating against me. You aren't freely accepting me.
I just want to make it clear that you aren't as accepting as you think you are. You're only accepting of those who think and agree with you. So how do you differ from your perceived view of me?
I differ because I don't judge people based on their sexual preferences, unlike you. I don't judge people for how they were made. The way people should, and always should be judged, is how they act, and you are downright immoral.
How you can support such a ridiculous book, but only stand by half of it, whilst ignoring Leviticus 19:18 is ridiculous in itself. I'm aware of your beliefs. I don't take them out of context like you, to spew hate.
@ikevhawk No, you judge them based on their religious preferences. So what makes you better than me?
Do you realize that some of the greatest minds that ever lived either recognized the Bible as THE Word of God, or at least recognized it as great literature? The King James Bible is considered to be the greatest literary masterpiece of all time. Your ignorance shows.
America's Founding Fathers used it to form this nation. The list goes on and on. You would do well to examine it more.
@aThinkingChristian I choose to freely accept those who are willing to give me and others the same consideration. Remember, you and others of your kind attacked homosexuality first, without being provoked.
How many people have died because of your twisted ideology? How many people have died because of people corrupting standard human morals via religion? I'm not against religion by the way. I'm against the extremists like you, who won't open their mind to what is right.
@ikevhawk Ah, so I see now. It's not the "tolerance for all" that you tried to portray in your last posts. You are now freely acknowledging your hypocrisy and hatred for those who don't think like you.
Welcome to the real world. The sooner you learn that 100% tolerance is not reality in ANYONE'S like, the better you'll be. You just matured a little tonight. Congrats!
@aThinkingChristian I have tolerance for those who are just. You are not just. You are hateful. I am matured. Maturity isn't based upon my age, but how respectful I am.
And more than half of America? Look at any Westboro Baptist Church protest. Look at the 12 or less people against gays, and the 50+ counter protest defending them. You're beat. A time is coming where homosexual people won't be discriminated and killed because of people like you.
@ikevhawk Matured? LOL!!!! Will you please remember that you said that when you're 44 so you can laugh at yourself? You have no clue about life. It's not your fault. You're just 16. But, honestly, you have no clue. And I don't mean that in an offensive way. I have a 15 year old son. He has no clue. Oh, he's a bright boy. Maybe smarter than you. But he still has no clue because he's 15. Just accept it and move on.
@aThinkingChristian You're ignorant. You're a 44 year old man insulting a 16 year old over the internet, because I won't agree with your ignorant philosophy of hatred towards people who were born with homosexual urges.
You have twisted the context of my arguements, and have ignored the majority of them, likely because you are unable to argue against them. You fail to provide factual evidence for your BULLSHIT. I will block you. I hope you get what's coming to you.
@ikevhawk Oh, so now you're going to play the "I'm a poor little 16 year old you bully" card, right? Sorry, bud. If you're going to enter the ring swinging with the big boys, then expect to get punched. I don't really hate you or anything. I think you're not nearly as mature as you imagine yourself to be, or as tolerant. But anyone can read that just from your own words.
I've twisted NO content of what you've said. Your own contradictory words speak for themselves.
@ikevhawk If you want to be respected, learn to show respect for those who have lived a lot longer than you. THAT would be wise respect. A wise youth would acknowledge that he knows very little about life to be spouting off as you have about things you have no clue about. You don't know the Bible. Let's just get that on the table now. So what right do you have to criticize something you've probably never read once in your whole life? Could you think that through a little, please? (Sigh.)
@aThinkingChristian Show respect for a brainwashed 44 year old man, who won't listen to anything I have said?
Where are the historical documents, besides the writings your prophets have made? Where are the countless writings by people who would have written of such a spectacular thing? Where is all the evidence? There is none.
I need to show no respect for a man who is not only homophobic, but is insulting and hateful towards them, and ignores the inconsistencies of his book.
@ikevhawk Why should I listen to anything a 16 year old name-calling disrespectful kid says? YOU attacked me, remember. Why should I listen to you? What have you brought to the table worth hearing?
The Bible manuscripts themselves are the most attested to ancients documents on earth. The existence of the church is proof, archaeology has proven over and over, the writings of Josephus and other historians. There is PLENTY. You just have the character to teach yourself. That's on YOU bud.
@aThinkingChristian You hate homosexuality over a simple book, which you still have yet to prove to me is seriously the word of God. You have no proof. None. All you say is "ANCIENT STUFFS, IT'S ANCIENT LOL UR JUST A KID, IT'S ANCIENT, LOL. SO IT MUST BE TRUE. LOL." That's been your entire arguement, this whole time.
You're not mature. You listen only to your brainwashing ideoligies, and plug your ears and scream whenever someone opposes your beliefs.
@ikevhawk I gave you a small sample of proofs. The sad thing is that you've convinced yourself at 16 that there is none, and you've let someone else make that conclusion for you, so you have to live in ignorance.
"ou're not mature. You listen only to your brainwashing ideoligies, and plug your ears and scream whenever someone opposes your beliefs."
@ikevhawk "I need to show no respect for a man who is..."
So let the record be clear from your own mouth: you are NOT tolerant and respectful to all people, as you claimed, and you're not mature, because respect was your own measure of maturity. Let's just make sure we all understand this. Pillow your head tonight knowing that you're not what you thought. That much is clear.
@ikevhawk *and I meant to say in a previous reply, "You just DON'T have the character to teach yourself."
You rely on some skeptic's website and you believe them without ever examining yourself. That's not learning, bud. All that's done is teach you to be disrespectful to others. Your demeanor and verbiage has been more hateful than mine ever way. Do you even see it?
@aThinkingChristian Also bro. Show me your God first. You still have yet to provide factual evidence.
I'm done here, until you manage to get the hate out of your head and say something rational for once. I'm done fighting a troll who's clearly been beaten. You have brought nothing to the table besides speaking of it, as if it is undeniably real because it was written, and says it's real.
I could take a shit and claim it's the shit of God. Would you believe me? Probably rofl. Bye.
@ikevhawk I've given plenty of evidence, from manuscript evidence to archeology, to references to the historical writings from those outside of the Bible.
But what you've done is skirt my question about your "god" because you know how uncomfortable it is. I'll answer it for you. Your "god" is only in your mind. That's where he lives and exists. Well, that's fine if you want to believe that, but that is no true proof that he exists. It's all in your mind.
@ikevhawk G'nite, young man. Sleep on what I've said to you. Maybe you can come back and really be kind and respectful as you claimed in the beginning. I don't hate you or anyone else. But I believe God over all and before all, and he is the ultimate Judge of right or wrong.
Some day you're going to stand before the God of the Bible and give an account of your life. Don't doubt it.
@aThinkingChristian The Bible is too contradictory to factual occurences to actually be real. Perhaps a God exist, perhaps one doesn't. Can you disprove such a thing? Nobody can. However, the Bible has repeatedly been disproved.
Just because I don't believe in what religion teaches, doesn't mean I don't believe in a God. Until someone can prove how the universe was made, I still will. However, your religion is shady when it comes to that as well. Nobody explained where God came from.
1. If the Bible is filled with contradictions can you list some of those "factual occurrences" that cannot be real that you've found from your OWN research?
2. You say you believe in a god. Can you show him/her/it to me?
3. How can it be that great men, like the Founding Fathers of America, for example, with all their intellect and wisdom, revere the Bible with great esteem, when you have cast it off without a thought? Are you wiser then they were?
@aThinkingChristian Fossilized evidence. Evidence of evolution within animals and insects (insects are easy to research due to their fast production of offspring). The shuttles sent to outerspace, wasn't your heaven in the clouds? Didn't man try to build a tower to heaven in your book, which God knocked down? Why didn't he destroy the space shuttles and airplanes that reach the clouds within less than a minute?
@aThinkingChristian You cannot show proof of your God. There is none you have to offer. You can not show proof of your religion, besides the fundamentalists who spew lies all over the place.
Please, stop responding. You are perhaps the most ignorant person I have ever met, ignoring such evidence of evolution and other scientific revolutions. You should be ashamed to have children, they must have the IQ of an inbred redneck.
@ikevhawk No, I'm not the most ignorant person you're ever met. I'm the one that has challenged you beyond your ability to answer (which you've not so subtly avoided) and so you launch into what's called a ad hominem attack. You attack the person because you can't defend your position or refute your opponent's.
You've proven to be hateful, disrespectful and vulgar. All the things you've accused me of. You're no doubt a shame to your parents. It's very sad to see the shipwreck you already are.
@aThinkingChristian I just recently provided scientific evidence that you had, also recently, asked for. You did not say anything about it, in fact, you turned a blind eye to it and insulted me, and attacked my other vital points of the arguement. You have only attacked my other points, not the proof I provide. That's all you have done so far.
Please. If you're going to be this arrogant, quit posting. I don't appreciate spam.
@ikevhawk Um, that wasn't scientific evidence. It was as scientific as your silly "what about the tailbone?" question.
Let me try to help you. List what you're trying to defend and then ask your question in clear (not shotgun) statements. Then we'll go from there, ok? But I'll only answer on the stipulation that you stop imagining that I haven't answered you. I don't need to run from your questions when I have the truth. I have nothing to fear. But you're going to have to be more clear.
@aThinkingChristian Oh. I see why you're ignoring everything I say. You're reading only what's in the linked comments section, not what's in the all comments section. What a clever way to ignore someone's entire arguement.
You also didn't pay attention to why I said you were the first to provoke this. Another sign of arrogance. Please, I don't like talking to 44 year old men who talk about my deceased father and provide invisible "proof" as an arguement towards me. Go away.
@ikevhawk What are you talking about? LOL! I get an email for every post you make and I've answered every one. Sorry, kid, but you're really stinking it up in here.
I talked about your deceased father? Really? Where? When? Don't you see the baseless accusations that keep coming from your mind?
@aThinkingChristian "You're no doubt a shame to your parents. It's very sad to see the shipwreck you already are."
They're not baseless, you're just ignoring everything that not only I bring to the arguement, but every insult you bring in response. Goodbye. You've proved to be one of the most hateful and disrespectful Christians I have ever met.
@aThinkingChristian Yes, you are ignoring me. The entire concept of cockroaches constantly evolving that I brought up, you said God let them adapt.
Go swallow a cyanide pill and see if you can adapt to that, bro. A species doesn't change from adaptation, especially the way I brought up. Adaptation is a defense mechanism that is in everything, however, an entire species doesn't gain a resistance to chemicals from it. That takes generations of evolution. Which cockroaches achieve quickly.
@ikevhawk Um, sorry, but no you didn't. (And stop YELLING. Your face doesn't look that good in shades of red. Ha! But your true colors are coming out. So much for "tolerance" and "acceptance" of others. LOL.)
You can say they evolve all you want, but you have zero proof of it. All you've given is an assumption. That's not science young'in. :-)
@ikevhawk Scientists do years and years of difficult research with a PRECONCEIVED BIAS that evolution did happen. They don't even consider the evidence against the whole theory. That's not true science. True science considers everything the evidence shows, even if it goes against an established theory.
You've really gotta learn these things. You're being a bit naive.
@ikevhawk Um, yes it is still a theory. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Questions for you: If you believe in a "god," where has he/she/it been for your 16 years of life? Where is it now? What relevance does it have in your life?
You avoided such questions last night. They won't go away.
@aThinkingChristian Also, you're FOURTY FOUR YEARS OLD, and you're confusing ADAPTATION with EVOLUTION. Are you really that ignorant? Did you ever look into the studies done, or are you really so biased you don't know the difference between something that can occur in one lifetime, and one that occurs over generations of life times?
Tell you what, go look at the fossil record and tell me what you see. With "millions of years" we should see BILLIONS of fossils and BILLIONS of transitions between lower forms of life and higher. So where are they?
Sorry, but the fossils say "No" to evolution. The fossil record does not show the large changes necessary for evolution to be true. You did not come from a monkey, even though you're acting like one. :-)
@aThinkingChristian 4.5 billion years, dipshit. And the majority of the fossils would be drowned in the ocean, or under layers and layers of earth. Uncovering that many would require extensive digging EVERYWHERE and machines that can search that far underwater.
@ikevhawk Nice try, but a fail. Will that much time they should be EVERYWHERE. The fact they they're not tells us 1.) that there haven't been millions of years, and 2.) evolution didn't happen.
You're going to have to do better than that. ;-) You have ZERO proof that a man came from a monkey. There is no clear fossil evidence for it. None. So why do you believe it?
@aThinkingChristian "Explain cockroaches becoming resistant to chemicals used against them, hence the need to create new such chemicals"
The resistance to a chemical is a gene. Those without it, die. Those with it, live to produce offspring that are also resistant to it. That is not adaptation. That is evolution. EXTENSIVE testing has been done with this.
Cockroaches are everywhere, mate. You just don't understand that every species has a natural habitat, so of course you won't see many.
@ikevhawk Ok, so what you have are some cockroaches in a population with the gene in them at birth, and some without it. The "fittest" survive the chemical and so do their offspring.
So in the end of all this death and survival, what do you have? Cockroaches. Only cockroaches and only ever cockroaches. What you're going to have to try and convince me of is those cockroaches becoming some other bug entirely. THAT would be true evolution. But THAT has never happened.
@ikevhawk You do realize that saying it doesn't make it so, right? You can sigh all you want. But until you show me one type of creature turning into another completely different creature, you can't call it science. It's a fairytale and faith. Darwin theorized that time would prove his theory right. It hasn't. What's amazing is that people like you still believe it.
Oh, and I wasn't home schooled. But my children are and I'd put 'em up against any public school kid any day.
@aThinkingChristian Until you get the dick out of your ear and actually give a chance to listen, besides following the brainwashing techniques of your religion, and open your mind to the vast majority of scientific findings and evidence that are still going on today, I will stop responding to you as well, as it appears you are completely one sided and unwilling to prove your fairy tales. You have no evidence. Science has an assload of evidence. Get off my dick.
@ikevhawk "but how respectful I am." Really? So calling someone you don't know a multitude of names and ridiculing his belief system because he doesn't think like you is respectful? Interesting. Maybe you're not as mature as you think. Do you even listen to yourself?
My friend, at least half of America is still against homosexuality. NONE of the six states that now accept gay marries became that way through the votes of the people, and California voters voted it DOWN.
@aThinkingChristian You know no God. You only know false prophets and a lie that's been told within a fairy tale for two thousand years.
Just because I do not believe in your bullshit story, and open my mind to more things than brainwashing, does not make me stupid. It makes me free. I am caring for those who are caring. If only you were smart enough to follow such a basic principle.
@aThinkingChristian I see people who are loving, caring, and gracious towards one another. People accepting people. And I think to myself. How can a God not exist?
Then I see a gay man or woman murdered for his sexuality. Children holding picketboards by the Westboro Baptist Church, dishonoring fallen soldiers. Children and women murdered in the Crusades. How could a loving God allow such a thing?
A God would be wise, and not discriminate as you do.
@ikevhawk So I ask you again, WHERE is YOUR god? Where?
Why do you harp on Westboro Baptist Church? You imagine in your little brain that I agree with them? If you do, you have revealed just how little maturity and understanding you have. A loving God is NOT on their side. A loving God was NOT a part of the crusades. But you'll have to learn a few things about history and Christianity before you can discuss them intelligently.
Sigh! Talk about not listening to anything anyone says!
@aThinkingChristian I've been listening to what you say. You seem to have the same beliefs as them. You are unwilling to listen to others, and 'harp on' homosexuality all the time, whilst not paying any heed to other beliefs. All you do is spew your own out of your mouth, call me a kid, press caps lock and type L O L, and wait for a response. When I do respond, you do the same thing, without listening to my part of the arguement.
WBC does the same thing. You're an ignorant extremist. A troll.
@ikevhawk "and 'harp on' homosexuality all the time..."
Really? Here's a challenge for you. Go back and look at our discussion so far and you tell me who has brought up the gays more, you or me? You might surprise yourself.
"You're an ignorant extremist. A troll." Name calling again? Why are you so hateful?
@aThinkingChristian Look at all the times you laughed at me simply because I'm not an extremist Christian such as yourself. Look at all the times you laughed at me because I am only 16. You might surprise yourself.
Also. You're confusing adaptations to evolution. Go back to school, you could use it. Cockroaches evolve because the weak ones are eliminated via chemicals. The ones with the gene that resist it, live. Hence, only those with the resistance are prone to exist.
@ikevhawk I never once laughed at you because you weren't "an extremist Christian" like me. (I'm not quite sure what that is, actually.) If I "LOL'd" it was because of how contradictory your comments were throughout our discourses last night. On one hand you said you were mature because you were respectful to others, and on the other hand you were disrespectful, hateful, and vulgar to me. So that must mean you're not as mature as you claimed. Flip-flopping like that would make anyone "LOL!"
@aThinkingChristian I have defended my position again and again, and you refuse to pay heed to the proof I provide, whilst providing no proof of your own. I have continuously provided counter arguements that you dismiss.
You were the first to attack. By hating against homosexuality, that is an attack in itself. You are a disgrace to all that is right in the world.
God can exist without the Bible. Have faith in God, and not faith in something a homophobic bigot wrote. Farewell.
I was the first to attack?!! LOL! Um, you wrote me first. (Sigh.) You really never presented any arguments to refute, so how could I ignore them?
All this goes to show just how blinded a person can be who convinces themselves of one thing when the entire world can see it's not so.
I challenge you to go back and see what "position" you defended, and I challenge you to go back and see the "proofs" you gave that I didn't answer. But you won't. You have no character.
@aThinkingChristian Also, you stated earlier you don't beleive in evolution.
Explain cockroaches becoming resistant to chemicals used against them, hence the need to create new such chemicals. Explain the tailbone in the human, evidenced by a simple x-ray. Explain the countless studies done, showing the similarities between monkey and man.
@ikevhawk Cockroaches adapt to their environment because God made them that way.
Humans have a coccyx because it's necessary for good posture and that's how God made them.
The so-called similarities between monkey and man are not as similar as claimed. And besides, God has the right to use common design.
Now, let me ask you, explain how the universe created itself from nothing. Explain the plethora of design in the natural world around us and how it got here by total chance.
@ikevhawk Will you answer a question honestly for me? How many times have you read the Bible from cover to cover?
Another question. Did you get these ideas about the Bible from your own study, or from the work of some other person? You say you're "free." I'm sure you imagine yourself a "free thinker." Then tell me your learning. What have you "freely thought" about yourself about the Bible?
@ikevhawk I don't know how many have died because of what I believe. I'm sure an unfortunate handful over the centuries. But I'll put it up against your atheistic philosophies any day. Shall we take a stroll into Communistic China today & see what human rights violations are taking place in a country that thinks like you? Something tells me you wouldn't want to do that.
Let me make it clear to you: if there is no God NOTHING is wrong by definition. I could kill you tonight & it not be wrong.
Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Not having a clue about the Bible? Looks like I know more than you. Love the people around you, accept them as they accept you. That is what a TRUE. LOVING GOD would teach. Instead you follow fairy tales written by bigots like you.
@ikevhawk The one thing you forgot is the previous chapter where it says, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).
I've studied the Bible longer than you've been alive. You have no clue what you're talking about. God is a God of love, yes, but he's also a God of JUSTICE. Love is not love that just accepts everything. You better learn that now or you're going to suffer in life.
Being gay or straight is something nobody asked for. You are what you are and it doesn't change. To be a hate obsessed bigot, however, is a choice.
I wish there was a hell for anti-gay crusaders to go to, because they are evil. Fortunately my total lack of "faith" allows me to treat even those scum as human beings. Even these anti-social assholes should have equality under the law, despite their clear and apparent inferiority.
@dellgriff80 Buy a dictionary. Spell check is also an option. Read the bible more; maybe then you can at least be grammatically correct as you spew nonsense.
And people aren't moving away from homosexual acceptance... lol. In fact, 2010 was the year when (according to a Gallup poll) we crossed the 50% mark. Now the majority of Americans think gay relatinoships are moral acceptable! :)
Houseoffags, your Gallup poll is shit. Most people think homos are degenerate wastes of skin, they just know that if they say anything in public, they'll be dragged into court in front of fag-loving judges and sued.
@SKS4000 I literally laughed out loud when I read your comment. People don't get sued over how they answer a gallup poll lol. Public opinion about homosexuality has shifted drastically this past decade - and for the better. When gay people aren't accepted it leads to depression, drug-abuse, and sometimes suicide. When they are, they live happy fulfilling lives.
"People don't get sued over how they answer a gallup poll lol."
You must have your head up your gay lover's ass, boy. Polls are a joke to begin with, but, look at this video, for example. Look how the fags jumped all over her for voicing her opinion. Even that bull dyke Ellen Degenerate couldn't resist phoning her up from her show. Queers are rabid in their response to criticism. Look at that teacher that had his family threatened by raging queers... typical fag hostility!
@SKS4000 If a politician made racists comments I'm sure (as you would say, only without the stars) "n****** would jump all over her for voicing her opinion." There are MANY cases of gay people being killed, and no cases of someone being killed for being anti-gay. And let's just say if someone objectively looked at our conversation they would conclude you to be the hateful one. Can you speak at all without using derogatory terms? There are definitely extreme people on both sides though yep.
no one but the ones that play this game have the right to say what they think must be nice to be so blind and wish for all others to be blind. But than that is the point of what is happening isn' it so hold on kids we are going to hit the wall going about 100 miles and hour and its going to hurt
Miss California doesn't rep the people of California. She should have been named Miss La Jolla. A segregated, mostly white, mostly christian, conservative pocket of San Diego. You want to know how most Californians feel? Check out Rapsmith and The State of Law's song titled "Prop 8 is Gay." Shit is off the hook.
Sally Kern is 100% right,however being a politician she should have been a bit more tactful. World leaders will never say what the gays ultimately want to hear. They will eloquently disapprove of gays in a more sort of artful way. That is understandable given their status. They depend on other people to say it for them.
Homosexuality is perversion,unnatural,freak of nature,high suicide,high drugs, cues for jokes in top movies, etc. Gays are mentally ill.
On July 23, 2008, Kern was stopped by security guards in the Oklahoma State Capitol before she brought a loaded gun into the building. The gun was a .380 caliber semiautomatic handgun. Kern had a permit for the gun and claimed she brought it into the building by accident. It was later confirmed that a second incident in which Kern made it into the building with a gun occurred in June 2008. Kern was not charged for either incident.[20]
i don't doubt you and i definitely see where you're coming from but there are many gay people with better sense - you just never really see those all over the news.
that incident does not speak for all people in the gay community, i can tell you that right now. i am not disagreeing about that being totally inappropriate, but saying that all homosexual people are depraved is too much of a blanket statement.
no, sg816, it's a downright misconception, gays are no more or less depraved than straights. geez, were you born under a ROCK? OR Mebbe tennessee? LOL!
I'm not sure if we agree or disagree. Saying that all homosexual people are depraved is too much of a blanket statement, is like saying that only SOME women are good for nothing except being barefoot and pregnant. More thinking!
look i'm entitled to think what i want to but you are still not understanding that i was having a conversation with someone whose only experience of gay people was of an incident in san fransisco that he felt represented the entire gay community - but since youtube no longer puts replies underneath the appropriate comments, you can't tell what context i am speaking in. considering i am a gay person i would know what i am talking about.
OK, we had a disconnect. I would apologize, but I'm sure you agree it was easy to misread your post as implying SOME people are depraved just because they are homosexual. Even your penultimate post was a little ambiguous. I'm also gay, and before that a human being.
haha you don't need to remind me that you're a human being. other people, on the other hand DO need to be reminded, which was what i was trying to convey to the other guy, but it's very hard to argue with someone about a view they have about a particular group when you yourself belong to it - it just wouldn't work if i told him i was gay but not depraved - i'm sure he would not have believed me.
I believe that homosexuality is not a choice. It is just who you are. It is also said that God loves all his children. No matter what their sexual preference is. That being said how can any of you religious people who are opposed to homosexuals, speak on behalf of Him. Especially when God makes us what we are, if he was so opposed to homosexuals, wouldn't you think he'd stop creating us.
this true in religon it says god created each and every one in his own imag and guided by god so if it is so wrong then why would god creat something he dislikes and then guid it
U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf yesterday dismissed a civil rights lawsuit brought by David Parker, ordering that it is reasonable, indeed there is an obligation, for public schools to teach young children to accept and endorse homosexuality.
Homosexuals have shut down Catholic adoption agencies in Mass, filed a lawsuit against a Christian photographer in NM that didn't want to shot a lesbian wedding. Colo is debating whether the Bible is "hate speech."
Homosexuals are the intolerant ones.
She didn't need to Apology, she spoke the TRUTH!!!
gays didn't shut down catholic adoption agencies, the agencies were required by law not to discriminate, but rather than do what's right, they shut themselves down. Discriminating against people is more important to these agencies than placing children in loving homes, which is supposed to be what adoption agencies do, right?
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Catholics have every right to follow their beliefs without legal harassment. If Homosexuals want to adopt they could have gone to other agencies but instead impose their lifestyle through the courts in a fascists manner. Where is the tolerance from the Homosexual side? It is the homosexuals/secularists who are discriminating against anyone who won't tell them what they want to hear. Their goal is to shut down the Church & any other real Christian sect that opposes sodmey.
it's fascistic to expect not to be discriminated against? Gays should be tolerant when they experience religious discrimination? Never knew we were being so unreasonable.
Oh, and missing the point. Adoption agencies are licensed by the state. If you accept a state license, you are subject to state laws.
A Catholic church sets up something unrelated like a Knitting Club, and they want to hang a "no fags" sign on the door, that's fine, it's their business. Refer to Boy Scouts vs Philly.
@GretchenDawntreader DEMOCRAPS and LiberTurds are why Republicans Ruled for 14 years Straight in House and Senate. It only took you LiberTurds to get USA voters to have Democraps. Obama is gonna LOSE in 2012.
@carribbeandreams2004 LOL Democraps? Liberturds? Passing over the soaring intellect that fuels such a response, but I might remind you that the American Voters (remember them?) overwhelmingly rejected your 14 years of GOP rule and handed the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the White House to...the Democraps and Liberturds.
The fact that you the GOP are sore losers and won't play anymore notwithstanding.
@GretchenDawntreader Hey DUmb Bitch the republicans abused their power which led to a large number of their base to STAY HOME. That is Why Repukes LOST in 2008. However do u know WHY Repubs Got 14 years of POWER? 1994=DADT=Clinton. 2010=OBAMA TURD=DEMOCRAP ASS WHIPPING 2010-2012
@carribbeandreams2004 voters note, people who express themselves like caribbeandreams2004 want a chance to run the country. If you want a bunch of irrational screamers making Federal-level decisions, you know how to vote in November. Gonna elect people who hate everyone not like them and think businesses like BP and Goldman shouldn't be regulated?
@GretchenDawntreader Mid-terms should have (and i hope did) taught you something about what the American people want and the direction they want to move in. It isn't the progressive liberal (pro homosexual) course you want to take. Get out now while you still can.
@patssoxity People voted for Republicans and the Tea Party because they want less government control in their lives. I think the government should meddle less with marriage. If two consenting adults (who are legally eligible to marry) want to marry each other, who is the government to tell them they can't?
@GretchenDawntreader They didn't want to place children in homes where sodomy is routine amid sick lifestyle choices. No child should have to be subjected to that much evil and mental illness.
BOSTON, February 20, 2006 (Life Site News) -- Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and a top government leader have told a group of bishops that their request that Catholic institutions be exempt from placing foster children with same-sex parents will be denied.
A Christian photographer in New Mexico was found guilty last week of breaking state law for refusing to take pictures of a lesbian ceremony.
Elaine Huguenin of Elane Photography was contacted in 2006 by a same-sex couple wanting pictures taken of their "commitment ceremony."
After Huguenin told them she only photographed traditional marriages, the couple filed a complaint for discrimination against their sexual orientation.
I gotta say that that whole photographer being sued for not taking pictures of a marriage because it was between two women thing gets to me. I mean if their religious beliefs are against supporting homosexuality then let the photographer turn them down. I know that by allowing this kind of behavior could just endorse homophobia even more but it is so hard for me to draw a line between homophobia and personal beliefs. Wish homosexuality wasn't even MENTIONED in any scriptures, would be smoother.
Thank you for this! This women is...what's the word....oh there are so many, too many. The women has a steal trap mind. Nothing that makes any since gets in there. crazy old biddy. She's been in that old Oklahomofobic state to long, she needs to venter out and see what's goin' on the world.
This video has been altered in a very stupid and obvious way. Just like the homo, not able to play on a level playing field. Nobody owes you anything. You're mentally ill, your conscience knows it. That's why you do terrible things to yourself.
The homo's owe Sally Kern an apology for this sham of a video. it's almost as bad as the sham they live by.
patssoxity 7 months ago
She has nothing to apologize for. She's right.
Pretty nice lady, too. Just met her. Very humble Christian lady. She's got nothing to worry about with God on her side. GO SALLY!
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Homophobic bigot. The Bible teaches love, not hate. By seeking vengeance upon anyone, you are a sinner. By seeking vengeance upon homosexuals, you are a sinner. By hating homosexuals, you are a sinner.
Read up on your Bible, idiot.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Homophobic bigot? Idiot? Very non-hateful of you. LOL!!! You pro-gay people are so hypocritical (in addition to not having a clue about what the Bible teaches or says).
Homosexuals were put to DEATH in the Bible (Leviticus 18). And for the record, I don't hate homosexuals or anyone else. I hate their sin, though, and so does God. They are sinners in need of salvation in Christ. They were not born that way. It's a choice: a sinful choice. But they can be forgiven in Christ.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I feel bad for trash like you.
Hating people for a book written by men, inaccurately portraying what a loving God would really be like. You have no proof for your book. There were around 30 historians within the areas of which the fairy tales occur. Does it bother you that none of them wrote about it?
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk You're really making a great case for your acceptance of others, especially those who don't think like you. LOL! Keep it up and you'll only hate half of America.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk And in how many of those 16 long years of life that you've had have you studied the Bible to make the claims you've made?
You see, it's easy to hide behind a user name and your computer and spout off like a big dog, but you're going to have to provide more substance from your own head instead of what you find on your favorite atheist website. You really should think before you type.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
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@aThinkingChristian Lastly, I'm not athiest. I believe in a loving God. However, I do not believe in your false prophets and your false beliefs. Where are the writings of historians and others who witnessed such events that are still glorified today? Where's the content? There's none. You have the Bible and the testaments.
A religion should teach people to be loving, not hateful as you are, and all the homophobes are.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Furthermore, explain to me why such a thing as homosexuality is such an issue. Explain to me why over 500+ animal species also have homosexual urges, if it's not 'natural'. Explain to me what natural is, exactly. Walking on water? Lol, get over yourself, and accept people.
Why do you care if people are gay? Does it affect you at all? No, it doesn't. Not a single fuckin' bit. So why are you so headstrong about this? You're homophobic. That is why. You're a bigot.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Why is homosexuality is an issue? Because God says it's a sin and wickedness. That's why. And if He says it's wrong then it IS wrong, no matter what you think or say, or what a million people think or say. God sets moral standards. He is 100% just and right.
The problem with you is that you imagine that you're some type of glorified animal. That comes from evolutionary indoctrination in your public school. You aren't an animal. God made you and HE sets the rules, like it or not.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I'm 16, and I have already opened my mind to love. I understand people more than you, a person who's profile claims the age of 44.
I do not discriminate people, and I freely accept the people around me, because everyone, whether black, white, hispanic, gay, bisexual, or straight, can be loving, and a good person. I do not pay mind to trivial things such as a person's preferences. I accept people.
Unlike you and Hitler, I don't hate people for who they are.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk You're mind's not open to my beliefs. You're discriminating against me. You aren't freely accepting me.
I just want to make it clear that you aren't as accepting as you think you are. You're only accepting of those who think and agree with you. So how do you differ from your perceived view of me?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian
I differ because I don't judge people based on their sexual preferences, unlike you. I don't judge people for how they were made. The way people should, and always should be judged, is how they act, and you are downright immoral.
How you can support such a ridiculous book, but only stand by half of it, whilst ignoring Leviticus 19:18 is ridiculous in itself. I'm aware of your beliefs. I don't take them out of context like you, to spew hate.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk No, you judge them based on their religious preferences. So what makes you better than me?
Do you realize that some of the greatest minds that ever lived either recognized the Bible as THE Word of God, or at least recognized it as great literature? The King James Bible is considered to be the greatest literary masterpiece of all time. Your ignorance shows.
America's Founding Fathers used it to form this nation. The list goes on and on. You would do well to examine it more.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I choose to freely accept those who are willing to give me and others the same consideration. Remember, you and others of your kind attacked homosexuality first, without being provoked.
How many people have died because of your twisted ideology? How many people have died because of people corrupting standard human morals via religion? I'm not against religion by the way. I'm against the extremists like you, who won't open their mind to what is right.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Ah, so I see now. It's not the "tolerance for all" that you tried to portray in your last posts. You are now freely acknowledging your hypocrisy and hatred for those who don't think like you.
Welcome to the real world. The sooner you learn that 100% tolerance is not reality in ANYONE'S like, the better you'll be. You just matured a little tonight. Congrats!
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I have tolerance for those who are just. You are not just. You are hateful. I am matured. Maturity isn't based upon my age, but how respectful I am.
And more than half of America? Look at any Westboro Baptist Church protest. Look at the 12 or less people against gays, and the 50+ counter protest defending them. You're beat. A time is coming where homosexual people won't be discriminated and killed because of people like you.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Matured? LOL!!!! Will you please remember that you said that when you're 44 so you can laugh at yourself? You have no clue about life. It's not your fault. You're just 16. But, honestly, you have no clue. And I don't mean that in an offensive way. I have a 15 year old son. He has no clue. Oh, he's a bright boy. Maybe smarter than you. But he still has no clue because he's 15. Just accept it and move on.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian You're ignorant. You're a 44 year old man insulting a 16 year old over the internet, because I won't agree with your ignorant philosophy of hatred towards people who were born with homosexual urges.
You have twisted the context of my arguements, and have ignored the majority of them, likely because you are unable to argue against them. You fail to provide factual evidence for your BULLSHIT. I will block you. I hope you get what's coming to you.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Oh, so now you're going to play the "I'm a poor little 16 year old you bully" card, right? Sorry, bud. If you're going to enter the ring swinging with the big boys, then expect to get punched. I don't really hate you or anything. I think you're not nearly as mature as you imagine yourself to be, or as tolerant. But anyone can read that just from your own words.
I've twisted NO content of what you've said. Your own contradictory words speak for themselves.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk If you want to be respected, learn to show respect for those who have lived a lot longer than you. THAT would be wise respect. A wise youth would acknowledge that he knows very little about life to be spouting off as you have about things you have no clue about. You don't know the Bible. Let's just get that on the table now. So what right do you have to criticize something you've probably never read once in your whole life? Could you think that through a little, please? (Sigh.)
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Show respect for a brainwashed 44 year old man, who won't listen to anything I have said?
Where are the historical documents, besides the writings your prophets have made? Where are the countless writings by people who would have written of such a spectacular thing? Where is all the evidence? There is none.
I need to show no respect for a man who is not only homophobic, but is insulting and hateful towards them, and ignores the inconsistencies of his book.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Why should I listen to anything a 16 year old name-calling disrespectful kid says? YOU attacked me, remember. Why should I listen to you? What have you brought to the table worth hearing?
The Bible manuscripts themselves are the most attested to ancients documents on earth. The existence of the church is proof, archaeology has proven over and over, the writings of Josephus and other historians. There is PLENTY. You just have the character to teach yourself. That's on YOU bud.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian You hate homosexuality over a simple book, which you still have yet to prove to me is seriously the word of God. You have no proof. None. All you say is "ANCIENT STUFFS, IT'S ANCIENT LOL UR JUST A KID, IT'S ANCIENT, LOL. SO IT MUST BE TRUE. LOL." That's been your entire arguement, this whole time.
You're not mature. You listen only to your brainwashing ideoligies, and plug your ears and scream whenever someone opposes your beliefs.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk I gave you a small sample of proofs. The sad thing is that you've convinced yourself at 16 that there is none, and you've let someone else make that conclusion for you, so you have to live in ignorance.
"ou're not mature. You listen only to your brainwashing ideoligies, and plug your ears and scream whenever someone opposes your beliefs."
Sounds like someone I'm dealing with right now.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk "I need to show no respect for a man who is..."
So let the record be clear from your own mouth: you are NOT tolerant and respectful to all people, as you claimed, and you're not mature, because respect was your own measure of maturity. Let's just make sure we all understand this. Pillow your head tonight knowing that you're not what you thought. That much is clear.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk *and I meant to say in a previous reply, "You just DON'T have the character to teach yourself."
You rely on some skeptic's website and you believe them without ever examining yourself. That's not learning, bud. All that's done is teach you to be disrespectful to others. Your demeanor and verbiage has been more hateful than mine ever way. Do you even see it?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Also bro. Show me your God first. You still have yet to provide factual evidence.
I'm done here, until you manage to get the hate out of your head and say something rational for once. I'm done fighting a troll who's clearly been beaten. You have brought nothing to the table besides speaking of it, as if it is undeniably real because it was written, and says it's real.
I could take a shit and claim it's the shit of God. Would you believe me? Probably rofl. Bye.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk I've given plenty of evidence, from manuscript evidence to archeology, to references to the historical writings from those outside of the Bible.
But what you've done is skirt my question about your "god" because you know how uncomfortable it is. I'll answer it for you. Your "god" is only in your mind. That's where he lives and exists. Well, that's fine if you want to believe that, but that is no true proof that he exists. It's all in your mind.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk G'nite, young man. Sleep on what I've said to you. Maybe you can come back and really be kind and respectful as you claimed in the beginning. I don't hate you or anyone else. But I believe God over all and before all, and he is the ultimate Judge of right or wrong.
Some day you're going to stand before the God of the Bible and give an account of your life. Don't doubt it.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
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ikevhawk 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian The Bible is too contradictory to factual occurences to actually be real. Perhaps a God exist, perhaps one doesn't. Can you disprove such a thing? Nobody can. However, the Bible has repeatedly been disproved.
Just because I don't believe in what religion teaches, doesn't mean I don't believe in a God. Until someone can prove how the universe was made, I still will. However, your religion is shady when it comes to that as well. Nobody explained where God came from.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Ok, questions for you:
1. If the Bible is filled with contradictions can you list some of those "factual occurrences" that cannot be real that you've found from your OWN research?
2. You say you believe in a god. Can you show him/her/it to me?
3. How can it be that great men, like the Founding Fathers of America, for example, with all their intellect and wisdom, revere the Bible with great esteem, when you have cast it off without a thought? Are you wiser then they were?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Fossilized evidence. Evidence of evolution within animals and insects (insects are easy to research due to their fast production of offspring). The shuttles sent to outerspace, wasn't your heaven in the clouds? Didn't man try to build a tower to heaven in your book, which God knocked down? Why didn't he destroy the space shuttles and airplanes that reach the clouds within less than a minute?
Evidence of such things didn't exist back then.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian You cannot show proof of your God. There is none you have to offer. You can not show proof of your religion, besides the fundamentalists who spew lies all over the place.
Please, stop responding. You are perhaps the most ignorant person I have ever met, ignoring such evidence of evolution and other scientific revolutions. You should be ashamed to have children, they must have the IQ of an inbred redneck.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk No, I'm not the most ignorant person you're ever met. I'm the one that has challenged you beyond your ability to answer (which you've not so subtly avoided) and so you launch into what's called a ad hominem attack. You attack the person because you can't defend your position or refute your opponent's.
You've proven to be hateful, disrespectful and vulgar. All the things you've accused me of. You're no doubt a shame to your parents. It's very sad to see the shipwreck you already are.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I just recently provided scientific evidence that you had, also recently, asked for. You did not say anything about it, in fact, you turned a blind eye to it and insulted me, and attacked my other vital points of the arguement. You have only attacked my other points, not the proof I provide. That's all you have done so far.
Please. If you're going to be this arrogant, quit posting. I don't appreciate spam.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Um, that wasn't scientific evidence. It was as scientific as your silly "what about the tailbone?" question.
Let me try to help you. List what you're trying to defend and then ask your question in clear (not shotgun) statements. Then we'll go from there, ok? But I'll only answer on the stipulation that you stop imagining that I haven't answered you. I don't need to run from your questions when I have the truth. I have nothing to fear. But you're going to have to be more clear.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Oh. I see why you're ignoring everything I say. You're reading only what's in the linked comments section, not what's in the all comments section. What a clever way to ignore someone's entire arguement.
You also didn't pay attention to why I said you were the first to provoke this. Another sign of arrogance. Please, I don't like talking to 44 year old men who talk about my deceased father and provide invisible "proof" as an arguement towards me. Go away.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk What are you talking about? LOL! I get an email for every post you make and I've answered every one. Sorry, kid, but you're really stinking it up in here.
I talked about your deceased father? Really? Where? When? Don't you see the baseless accusations that keep coming from your mind?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian "You're no doubt a shame to your parents. It's very sad to see the shipwreck you already are."
They're not baseless, you're just ignoring everything that not only I bring to the arguement, but every insult you bring in response. Goodbye. You've proved to be one of the most hateful and disrespectful Christians I have ever met.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk No, I'm not ignoring anything. Why would I do that?
Now, let's look at the truth, ok? Let's look at exactly what was said.
Me: "You're no doubt a shame to your parents."
You: "I don't like talking to 44 year old men who talk about my deceased father."
Me: "I talked about your deceased father?"
You: "You insulted me" (paraphrase)
Now, when I made my original statement do you think I knew your father was dead and so tried to attack him? Are you for real? C'mon now!
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Yes, you are ignoring me. The entire concept of cockroaches constantly evolving that I brought up, you said God let them adapt.
Go swallow a cyanide pill and see if you can adapt to that, bro. A species doesn't change from adaptation, especially the way I brought up. Adaptation is a defense mechanism that is in everything, however, an entire species doesn't gain a resistance to chemicals from it. That takes generations of evolution. Which cockroaches achieve quickly.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Wait! Why is that a invalid answer?
You said: "cockroaches adapt: proof of evolution!" (with no other details)
I said: "No, God made them that way." (with no other details)
Why is my answer any less valid than your claim?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I DID NOT SAY COCKROACHES ADAPT, I SAID THEY EVOLVE. I PROVIDED THE DETAILS OF THIS. I PROVIDED THE DETAILS OF THEM EVOLVING.
ADAPTATION IS NOT EVOLUTION.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Um, sorry, but no you didn't. (And stop YELLING. Your face doesn't look that good in shades of red. Ha! But your true colors are coming out. So much for "tolerance" and "acceptance" of others. LOL.)
You can say they evolve all you want, but you have zero proof of it. All you've given is an assumption. That's not science young'in. :-)
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Scientists do years and years of difficult research, and you deny it for a fairy tale you were told is real.
This is like a kid trying to tell a man Santa Clause doesn't exist, and the man plugging his ears goes "LALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU."
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Scientists do years and years of difficult research with a PRECONCEIVED BIAS that evolution did happen. They don't even consider the evidence against the whole theory. That's not true science. True science considers everything the evidence shows, even if it goes against an established theory.
You've really gotta learn these things. You're being a bit naive.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian It's not a theory anymore, you should get out of your cave sometime and look it up.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Um, yes it is still a theory. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Questions for you: If you believe in a "god," where has he/she/it been for your 16 years of life? Where is it now? What relevance does it have in your life?
You avoided such questions last night. They won't go away.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Also, you're FOURTY FOUR YEARS OLD, and you're confusing ADAPTATION with EVOLUTION. Are you really that ignorant? Did you ever look into the studies done, or are you really so biased you don't know the difference between something that can occur in one lifetime, and one that occurs over generations of life times?
Fucking ridiculous. Go rot.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk
Tell you what, go look at the fossil record and tell me what you see. With "millions of years" we should see BILLIONS of fossils and BILLIONS of transitions between lower forms of life and higher. So where are they?
Sorry, but the fossils say "No" to evolution. The fossil record does not show the large changes necessary for evolution to be true. You did not come from a monkey, even though you're acting like one. :-)
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian 4.5 billion years, dipshit. And the majority of the fossils would be drowned in the ocean, or under layers and layers of earth. Uncovering that many would require extensive digging EVERYWHERE and machines that can search that far underwater.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Nice try, but a fail. Will that much time they should be EVERYWHERE. The fact they they're not tells us 1.) that there haven't been millions of years, and 2.) evolution didn't happen.
You're going to have to do better than that. ;-) You have ZERO proof that a man came from a monkey. There is no clear fossil evidence for it. None. So why do you believe it?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian "Explain cockroaches becoming resistant to chemicals used against them, hence the need to create new such chemicals"
The resistance to a chemical is a gene. Those without it, die. Those with it, live to produce offspring that are also resistant to it. That is not adaptation. That is evolution. EXTENSIVE testing has been done with this.
Cockroaches are everywhere, mate. You just don't understand that every species has a natural habitat, so of course you won't see many.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Ok, so what you have are some cockroaches in a population with the gene in them at birth, and some without it. The "fittest" survive the chemical and so do their offspring.
So in the end of all this death and survival, what do you have? Cockroaches. Only cockroaches and only ever cockroaches. What you're going to have to try and convince me of is those cockroaches becoming some other bug entirely. THAT would be true evolution. But THAT has never happened.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian It is evolution. Sigh.
Idiocy. This is why homeschooling is bad.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk You do realize that saying it doesn't make it so, right? You can sigh all you want. But until you show me one type of creature turning into another completely different creature, you can't call it science. It's a fairytale and faith. Darwin theorized that time would prove his theory right. It hasn't. What's amazing is that people like you still believe it.
Oh, and I wasn't home schooled. But my children are and I'd put 'em up against any public school kid any day.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Until you get the dick out of your ear and actually give a chance to listen, besides following the brainwashing techniques of your religion, and open your mind to the vast majority of scientific findings and evidence that are still going on today, I will stop responding to you as well, as it appears you are completely one sided and unwilling to prove your fairy tales. You have no evidence. Science has an assload of evidence. Get off my dick.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk "but how respectful I am." Really? So calling someone you don't know a multitude of names and ridiculing his belief system because he doesn't think like you is respectful? Interesting. Maybe you're not as mature as you think. Do you even listen to yourself?
My friend, at least half of America is still against homosexuality. NONE of the six states that now accept gay marries became that way through the votes of the people, and California voters voted it DOWN.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian You know no God. You only know false prophets and a lie that's been told within a fairy tale for two thousand years.
Just because I do not believe in your bullshit story, and open my mind to more things than brainwashing, does not make me stupid. It makes me free. I am caring for those who are caring. If only you were smart enough to follow such a basic principle.
You only know of hate. You are sick.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk How can you say that I know? Is that your respect showing again? LOL.
I never said you were stupid. I've left the name calling to you (and you have freely and disrespectfully used it).
I asked you where your god is. You said you believe in one. Where is he?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I see people who are loving, caring, and gracious towards one another. People accepting people. And I think to myself. How can a God not exist?
Then I see a gay man or woman murdered for his sexuality. Children holding picketboards by the Westboro Baptist Church, dishonoring fallen soldiers. Children and women murdered in the Crusades. How could a loving God allow such a thing?
A God would be wise, and not discriminate as you do.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk So I ask you again, WHERE is YOUR god? Where?
Why do you harp on Westboro Baptist Church? You imagine in your little brain that I agree with them? If you do, you have revealed just how little maturity and understanding you have. A loving God is NOT on their side. A loving God was NOT a part of the crusades. But you'll have to learn a few things about history and Christianity before you can discuss them intelligently.
Sigh! Talk about not listening to anything anyone says!
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I've been listening to what you say. You seem to have the same beliefs as them. You are unwilling to listen to others, and 'harp on' homosexuality all the time, whilst not paying any heed to other beliefs. All you do is spew your own out of your mouth, call me a kid, press caps lock and type L O L, and wait for a response. When I do respond, you do the same thing, without listening to my part of the arguement.
WBC does the same thing. You're an ignorant extremist. A troll.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk "and 'harp on' homosexuality all the time..."
Really? Here's a challenge for you. Go back and look at our discussion so far and you tell me who has brought up the gays more, you or me? You might surprise yourself.
"You're an ignorant extremist. A troll." Name calling again? Why are you so hateful?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Look at all the times you laughed at me simply because I'm not an extremist Christian such as yourself. Look at all the times you laughed at me because I am only 16. You might surprise yourself.
Also. You're confusing adaptations to evolution. Go back to school, you could use it. Cockroaches evolve because the weak ones are eliminated via chemicals. The ones with the gene that resist it, live. Hence, only those with the resistance are prone to exist.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk I never once laughed at you because you weren't "an extremist Christian" like me. (I'm not quite sure what that is, actually.) If I "LOL'd" it was because of how contradictory your comments were throughout our discourses last night. On one hand you said you were mature because you were respectful to others, and on the other hand you were disrespectful, hateful, and vulgar to me. So that must mean you're not as mature as you claimed. Flip-flopping like that would make anyone "LOL!"
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian I have defended my position again and again, and you refuse to pay heed to the proof I provide, whilst providing no proof of your own. I have continuously provided counter arguements that you dismiss.
You were the first to attack. By hating against homosexuality, that is an attack in itself. You are a disgrace to all that is right in the world.
God can exist without the Bible. Have faith in God, and not faith in something a homophobic bigot wrote. Farewell.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk
I was the first to attack?!! LOL! Um, you wrote me first. (Sigh.) You really never presented any arguments to refute, so how could I ignore them?
All this goes to show just how blinded a person can be who convinces themselves of one thing when the entire world can see it's not so.
I challenge you to go back and see what "position" you defended, and I challenge you to go back and see the "proofs" you gave that I didn't answer. But you won't. You have no character.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@aThinkingChristian Also, you stated earlier you don't beleive in evolution.
Explain cockroaches becoming resistant to chemicals used against them, hence the need to create new such chemicals. Explain the tailbone in the human, evidenced by a simple x-ray. Explain the countless studies done, showing the similarities between monkey and man.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Cockroaches adapt to their environment because God made them that way.
Humans have a coccyx because it's necessary for good posture and that's how God made them.
The so-called similarities between monkey and man are not as similar as claimed. And besides, God has the right to use common design.
Now, let me ask you, explain how the universe created itself from nothing. Explain the plethora of design in the natural world around us and how it got here by total chance.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Will you answer a question honestly for me? How many times have you read the Bible from cover to cover?
Another question. Did you get these ideas about the Bible from your own study, or from the work of some other person? You say you're "free." I'm sure you imagine yourself a "free thinker." Then tell me your learning. What have you "freely thought" about yourself about the Bible?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk But "just" according to your definition of just, right? LOL! What about God's definition of just? Does he get a say?
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
@ikevhawk I don't know how many have died because of what I believe. I'm sure an unfortunate handful over the centuries. But I'll put it up against your atheistic philosophies any day. Shall we take a stroll into Communistic China today & see what human rights violations are taking place in a country that thinks like you? Something tells me you wouldn't want to do that.
Let me make it clear to you: if there is no God NOTHING is wrong by definition. I could kill you tonight & it not be wrong.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
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ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk Lastly 'aThinkingChristian', I'll do your thinking for you.
Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Not having a clue about the Bible? Looks like I know more than you. Love the people around you, accept them as they accept you. That is what a TRUE. LOVING GOD would teach. Instead you follow fairy tales written by bigots like you.
ikevhawk 7 months ago
@ikevhawk The one thing you forgot is the previous chapter where it says, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).
I've studied the Bible longer than you've been alive. You have no clue what you're talking about. God is a God of love, yes, but he's also a God of JUSTICE. Love is not love that just accepts everything. You better learn that now or you're going to suffer in life.
aThinkingChristian 7 months ago
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Being gay or straight is something nobody asked for. You are what you are and it doesn't change. To be a hate obsessed bigot, however, is a choice.
I wish there was a hell for anti-gay crusaders to go to, because they are evil. Fortunately my total lack of "faith" allows me to treat even those scum as human beings. Even these anti-social assholes should have equality under the law, despite their clear and apparent inferiority.
Live and let live. First, get a God damn life!
thursdaysrecords 8 months ago
@dellgriff80 Buy a dictionary. Spell check is also an option. Read the bible more; maybe then you can at least be grammatically correct as you spew nonsense.
mkelly814 9 months ago
On your knees Sally. Say it like you mean it.
CalifaJohn 11 months ago
GO SALLY!
Fucking fags need to be shown they don't run this country!
SKS4000 1 year ago
And people aren't moving away from homosexual acceptance... lol. In fact, 2010 was the year when (according to a Gallup poll) we crossed the 50% mark. Now the majority of Americans think gay relatinoships are moral acceptable! :)
houseofswans1 1 year ago
@houseofswans1
Houseoffags, your Gallup poll is shit. Most people think homos are degenerate wastes of skin, they just know that if they say anything in public, they'll be dragged into court in front of fag-loving judges and sued.
Dream on, dummy. You're despised.
Deal with it.
SKS4000 1 year ago
@SKS4000 I literally laughed out loud when I read your comment. People don't get sued over how they answer a gallup poll lol. Public opinion about homosexuality has shifted drastically this past decade - and for the better. When gay people aren't accepted it leads to depression, drug-abuse, and sometimes suicide. When they are, they live happy fulfilling lives.
houseofswans1 1 year ago
@houseofswans1
"People don't get sued over how they answer a gallup poll lol."
You must have your head up your gay lover's ass, boy. Polls are a joke to begin with, but, look at this video, for example. Look how the fags jumped all over her for voicing her opinion. Even that bull dyke Ellen Degenerate couldn't resist phoning her up from her show. Queers are rabid in their response to criticism. Look at that teacher that had his family threatened by raging queers... typical fag hostility!
SKS4000 1 year ago
@SKS4000 If a politician made racists comments I'm sure (as you would say, only without the stars) "n****** would jump all over her for voicing her opinion." There are MANY cases of gay people being killed, and no cases of someone being killed for being anti-gay. And let's just say if someone objectively looked at our conversation they would conclude you to be the hateful one. Can you speak at all without using derogatory terms? There are definitely extreme people on both sides though yep.
houseofswans1 1 year ago
No self-respecting lesbian would go near this ugly bitch.
LawdHelp 1 year ago
ugh
imasanger 1 year ago
Sally Kern, you have blood on your hands. You are responsible for the deaths of our children
LarryLane07 1 year ago
Jesus, "PROTECT US FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS!"
letsgetreal50 1 year ago 4
Congratulations: You have officially creeped me out.
FlamingBat 1 year ago
Stupid,closet case, Cunt,Fat, old, dirty rag BITCH!
Mr123Gibson 1 year ago 4
GOD HATES HOMOS
carribbeandreams2004 1 year ago
If a straight parent can love their gay child, why cant god ?
oOKdLuvsOo 1 year ago
no one but the ones that play this game have the right to say what they think must be nice to be so blind and wish for all others to be blind. But than that is the point of what is happening isn' it so hold on kids we are going to hit the wall going about 100 miles and hour and its going to hurt
faceswithin 2 years ago
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Sally Kern hates America.
And on Miss Cali...
Miss California doesn't rep the people of California. She should have been named Miss La Jolla. A segregated, mostly white, mostly christian, conservative pocket of San Diego. You want to know how most Californians feel? Check out Rapsmith and The State of Law's song titled "Prop 8 is Gay." Shit is off the hook.
RNSOL 2 years ago 2
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Sally Kern is 100% right,however being a politician she should have been a bit more tactful. World leaders will never say what the gays ultimately want to hear. They will eloquently disapprove of gays in a more sort of artful way. That is understandable given their status. They depend on other people to say it for them.
Homosexuality is perversion,unnatural,freak of nature,high suicide,high drugs, cues for jokes in top movies, etc. Gays are mentally ill.
ijury 2 years ago
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On July 23, 2008, Kern was stopped by security guards in the Oklahoma State Capitol before she brought a loaded gun into the building. The gun was a .380 caliber semiautomatic handgun. Kern had a permit for the gun and claimed she brought it into the building by accident. It was later confirmed that a second incident in which Kern made it into the building with a gun occurred in June 2008. Kern was not charged for either incident.[20]
wbraswell1 2 years ago
i don't doubt you and i definitely see where you're coming from but there are many gay people with better sense - you just never really see those all over the news.
squirrelygirl816 3 years ago
that incident does not speak for all people in the gay community, i can tell you that right now. i am not disagreeing about that being totally inappropriate, but saying that all homosexual people are depraved is too much of a blanket statement.
squirrelygirl816 3 years ago
no, sg816, it's a downright misconception, gays are no more or less depraved than straights. geez, were you born under a ROCK? OR Mebbe tennessee? LOL!
gabsylv 2 years ago 2
i was having a conversation with someone else who clearly was.
squirrelygirl816 2 years ago
I'm not sure if we agree or disagree. Saying that all homosexual people are depraved is too much of a blanket statement, is like saying that only SOME women are good for nothing except being barefoot and pregnant. More thinking!
gabsylv 2 years ago
look i'm entitled to think what i want to but you are still not understanding that i was having a conversation with someone whose only experience of gay people was of an incident in san fransisco that he felt represented the entire gay community - but since youtube no longer puts replies underneath the appropriate comments, you can't tell what context i am speaking in. considering i am a gay person i would know what i am talking about.
squirrelygirl816 2 years ago
OK, we had a disconnect. I would apologize, but I'm sure you agree it was easy to misread your post as implying SOME people are depraved just because they are homosexual. Even your penultimate post was a little ambiguous. I'm also gay, and before that a human being.
gabsylv 2 years ago
haha you don't need to remind me that you're a human being. other people, on the other hand DO need to be reminded, which was what i was trying to convey to the other guy, but it's very hard to argue with someone about a view they have about a particular group when you yourself belong to it - it just wouldn't work if i told him i was gay but not depraved - i'm sure he would not have believed me.
squirrelygirl816 2 years ago
Why can't we all just get along?
13cut67 3 years ago
I believe that homosexuality is not a choice. It is just who you are. It is also said that God loves all his children. No matter what their sexual preference is. That being said how can any of you religious people who are opposed to homosexuals, speak on behalf of Him. Especially when God makes us what we are, if he was so opposed to homosexuals, wouldn't you think he'd stop creating us.
malp999 3 years ago 3
this true in religon it says god created each and every one in his own imag and guided by god so if it is so wrong then why would god creat something he dislikes and then guid it
tbiloski 3 years ago
If Gawd is "infinitely loving and kind" why did he make Sally Kern so UGLY?
plato12000 3 years ago 5
Sally, I want you so bad! My mind whirls with x-rated thoughts of you! God forgive me, but I will have sex with you!
Homophobic cunt bag!
lavendergirl63 3 years ago 17
@lavendergirl63 When your dyke ass is burning in fire you will regret your actions.
carribbeandreams2004 1 year ago
@lavendergirl63 More of the same kind of delusion the homo suffers from.
patssoxity 7 months ago
A web say:
Sally Kern hates all gays childs of the world!
She is very bad like Satan!
If gays childs die,she will laugh!
Demons help to Sally!
Jesus ,the son of God is his enemy!
malnacit 3 years ago 3
U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf yesterday dismissed a civil rights lawsuit brought by David Parker, ordering that it is reasonable, indeed there is an obligation, for public schools to teach young children to accept and endorse homosexuality.
Judge orders 'gay' agenda
By Bob Unruh
teton99 3 years ago
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She is absolutely right.
Homosexuals have shut down Catholic adoption agencies in Mass, filed a lawsuit against a Christian photographer in NM that didn't want to shot a lesbian wedding. Colo is debating whether the Bible is "hate speech."
Homosexuals are the intolerant ones.
She didn't need to Apology, she spoke the TRUTH!!!
teton99 3 years ago
Intolerant to... intolerance.
Ellioto9 3 years ago 5
gays didn't shut down catholic adoption agencies, the agencies were required by law not to discriminate, but rather than do what's right, they shut themselves down. Discriminating against people is more important to these agencies than placing children in loving homes, which is supposed to be what adoption agencies do, right?
There's your TRUTH.
GretchenDawntreader 3 years ago 26
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Gretchen
Catholics have every right to follow their beliefs without legal harassment. If Homosexuals want to adopt they could have gone to other agencies but instead impose their lifestyle through the courts in a fascists manner. Where is the tolerance from the Homosexual side? It is the homosexuals/secularists who are discriminating against anyone who won't tell them what they want to hear. Their goal is to shut down the Church & any other real Christian sect that opposes sodmey.
teton99 3 years ago
it's fascistic to expect not to be discriminated against? Gays should be tolerant when they experience religious discrimination? Never knew we were being so unreasonable.
Oh, and missing the point. Adoption agencies are licensed by the state. If you accept a state license, you are subject to state laws.
A Catholic church sets up something unrelated like a Knitting Club, and they want to hang a "no fags" sign on the door, that's fine, it's their business. Refer to Boy Scouts vs Philly.
GretchenDawntreader 3 years ago 5
@GretchenDawntreader DEMOCRAPS and LiberTurds are why Republicans Ruled for 14 years Straight in House and Senate. It only took you LiberTurds to get USA voters to have Democraps. Obama is gonna LOSE in 2012.
carribbeandreams2004 1 year ago
@carribbeandreams2004 LOL Democraps? Liberturds? Passing over the soaring intellect that fuels such a response, but I might remind you that the American Voters (remember them?) overwhelmingly rejected your 14 years of GOP rule and handed the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the White House to...the Democraps and Liberturds.
The fact that you the GOP are sore losers and won't play anymore notwithstanding.
GretchenDawntreader 1 year ago
@GretchenDawntreader Dumb Bitch Wait Until Nov 2010. We Will Crush You LiberTurds.
carribbeandreams2004 1 year ago
@GretchenDawntreader Hey DUmb Bitch the republicans abused their power which led to a large number of their base to STAY HOME. That is Why Repukes LOST in 2008. However do u know WHY Repubs Got 14 years of POWER? 1994=DADT=Clinton. 2010=OBAMA TURD=DEMOCRAP ASS WHIPPING 2010-2012
carribbeandreams2004 1 year ago
@carribbeandreams2004 voters note, people who express themselves like caribbeandreams2004 want a chance to run the country. If you want a bunch of irrational screamers making Federal-level decisions, you know how to vote in November. Gonna elect people who hate everyone not like them and think businesses like BP and Goldman shouldn't be regulated?
GretchenDawntreader 1 year ago
@GretchenDawntreader Mid-terms should have (and i hope did) taught you something about what the American people want and the direction they want to move in. It isn't the progressive liberal (pro homosexual) course you want to take. Get out now while you still can.
patssoxity 1 year ago
@patssoxity People voted for Republicans and the Tea Party because they want less government control in their lives. I think the government should meddle less with marriage. If two consenting adults (who are legally eligible to marry) want to marry each other, who is the government to tell them they can't?
houseofswans1 1 year ago
@GretchenDawntreader They didn't want to place children in homes where sodomy is routine amid sick lifestyle choices. No child should have to be subjected to that much evil and mental illness.
patssoxity 1 year ago
BOSTON, February 20, 2006 (Life Site News) -- Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and a top government leader have told a group of bishops that their request that Catholic institutions be exempt from placing foster children with same-sex parents will be denied.
teton99 3 years ago
A Christian photographer in New Mexico was found guilty last week of breaking state law for refusing to take pictures of a lesbian ceremony.
Elaine Huguenin of Elane Photography was contacted in 2006 by a same-sex couple wanting pictures taken of their "commitment ceremony."
After Huguenin told them she only photographed traditional marriages, the couple filed a complaint for discrimination against their sexual orientation.
CBN news
teton99 3 years ago
I gotta say that that whole photographer being sued for not taking pictures of a marriage because it was between two women thing gets to me. I mean if their religious beliefs are against supporting homosexuality then let the photographer turn them down. I know that by allowing this kind of behavior could just endorse homophobia even more but it is so hard for me to draw a line between homophobia and personal beliefs. Wish homosexuality wasn't even MENTIONED in any scriptures, would be smoother.
marcosEstrello 3 years ago
Lol she apologizes XD...She needs to go crawl under a rock
LexCooBukaba 3 years ago
TIME TO IMPEACH SALLY KERN 2008!
Ms. LaReina
LaReinaDelBarrio 3 years ago
Thank you for this! This women is...what's the word....oh there are so many, too many. The women has a steal trap mind. Nothing that makes any since gets in there. crazy old biddy. She's been in that old Oklahomofobic state to long, she needs to venter out and see what's goin' on the world.
Royallas 3 years ago 2
Its time she goes away PERMANENTLY
crin1958 3 years ago 2
Lipo
Hmmmmm...rhymes with homo...
God has called some of "His" people in the bible "fools" too...so take your useless comment elsewhere...
msmag2000 3 years ago
SALLY YOU LIAR!
muscle10freak 3 years ago
The bible has clear instruction on those who call others a fool.
Because your sins are so many and your hostility so great, the prophet is considered a fool, the inspired man a maniac.
Hebrews 10:31
"The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
lipofTruth 3 years ago