the war in school begings with politics system... the privatazation and competetion over funding between schools and the thought control as to beign making students belive that thier infleunce thoughts and dreams doesnt matter, the thought controll beigings in school does american school allow differnt thinking out side democrats vs republican dicotomy? But the real was over kids is marketing and the branding of thoughts and feelings pushed forward by a liberal agenda.. u have a society controll
One last comment as I was thinking about all this, you know the greatest threat in the modern world that humanity faced, was not individuality, or the mechanics of individualism
No! the greatest threat that people faced in the modern world, was the Nazi's oh! and just look at how well dressed they all were, how well presented they were!
And just look at the uniformity.
One more thought, how many students who leave school really know or understand politics? - Think about it "Sheeple"?
My daughter was plagued with harassment, singled out and bullied in her high school. Fortunately she was able to look after herself, eventually I got her moved!
As for the system, I have only word to say and that is RUN - Some teachers are a disgrace to their profession, others are simply horrible people, simple as that.
As for the those who have been bullied, I am sorry but it takes a strong parent to take the system on, its not that easy. And the system knows it can look after itself!
Although this can be true for many schools, some schools actually have systems in place that work. A very interesting school to look at is summerhill, they put no emphasis on making the pupils attend lesson or school yet they still most their pupils choose to attend.
I remember my time in school, the fear, the crushing of my self-esteem, the anxiety, the hatred of having to be in this hellishly dull place of indoctrination.
@Sivels Oh my gosh! You just summed up all I feel in school. Seriously in my home I'm all happy and carefree actually learning on the interenet stuff that intersts me. And then I go to school and I'm just all sad and depressed. It's an ouraged that has to be stopped!!
The thing is, by adding police officers and the such (as my school has), you take away the lessons and add the punishment. Before, you get caught with drugs, or with a knife, or something like that, and you have to go down and talk to a guidance councilor or the principal and they reasonably tell you why that was wrong. Now, you get caught with something, you get taken away by the police, and the only thing you can think of that you did wrong, is you got caught. And so we make criminals.
I do not see a problem with the schools, I see a problem in pop culture/modern society which is the creation of all of this hell we call school, politics, crappy music, and others which you can think of.
THere's nothing wrong with kids that dont like public schooling, its the ones that DO like it that are fucked. Maybe the kids are playing up BECAUSE SCHOOL IS BORING BULLSHIT
And what sickens me of school, its made COMPLETELY to dominate your life. I mean if you visit relatives, first question is "How's School"? If you have your own plans for the future that doesnt include school at all, everyone still says "Well git good grades in school and you might be able to do that!" When its summer holiday, they think that your all ready for next year, but what of the ppl going to summer school? If not, its still a measly 8 weeks out of the whole year you get off anyway......
School is corrupt, and I have to say if it continues to treat kids like "prison cattle", then somethings gonna give. Also check out this link, it gives very good reasons why school sucks. - school-survival*net/blog/p/why-do-i-hate-school/1490 (replace the * with a period)
@reformthenorm Youtube does not let you edit a film and repost it while leaving everything else intact. If we wanted to edit the trailer, all the comments would be deleted because it would be treated as a new post. This is all very amusing. You complained about something you imagined you watched(!) Brilliant.
Really? That is about the dumbest comment anyone has left. By this "logic," since you defend persecution for all even though the vast majority of students do not engage in these activities, you should also be deprived of your liberties because others in your community commit crimes.
the reason the school that I worked at had police because freuently students would get caught with firearms and in posession of mariuana or cocaine. This is the truth of public schools in many parts of america. Safety is not persecution.
Officers are in most school schools across the country. They rarely provide safety and more often turn minor issues into police actions and adversely impact the atmosphere in general. Incidents in the home profoundly exceed incidents in school when it comes to violence. Should officers be in everyone's home?
@mwells219 those kids can be put in special schools and not in the general population. and then the neighborhoos need to be cleaned up also. if there is violence & drugs in the neighborhood, the children will eventually get involved in what is around them. keeping such kids with the rest of the people is insane and the government is corrupt & incompetent. it is to train the people for the future marshalaw.
@mwells219 you are right and there is videos on my website MayaBell about pharmaceutical corruption & other government corruption. then you have children bullies harrassing & harming other children constantly and the schools allow it. police & government have no right to get to the children; public schools need to be abolished along with prisons and military ASAP.
Part of the problem with schools is kids that bring drugs and violence on to the campus are allowed to continue to attend. Those troubled kids need to be removed and placed into an alt school so the rest of the students don't have to suffer. Instead they create rules so restrictive that everyone has to suffer. Rules such as 3 min between class, no lockers, restroom restrictions, unreasonable dress codes and more. It isn't fair that kids have to suffer because of a few ghetto kids.
my school made me go insane in the 5th grade when i said something like That was stupid and then i got a speech of my teacher saying that i was going to be a drug dealer... ever since my classmates have been snitching on each other left and right 4 were suspended because they cussed and they even got in trouble for saying poop, stupid, etc. i got my first C,D,and F. im nearing 7grade which i think i will survive. Ever since then ive had nightmares about me going in school killin evryone
my school made me go insane in the 5th grade when i said something like That was stupid and then i got a speech of my teacher saying that i was going to be a drug dealer... ever since my classmates have been snitching on each other left and right 4 were suspended because they cussed and they even got in trouble for saying poop, stupid, etc. i got my first C,D,and F. im nearing 7grade which i think i will survive. Ever since then ive had nightmares about me going in school killin evryone
@hamsterman8 You don't have to go to school. You can be home schooled through the internet and it still counts as a grade school or high school diploma. Research it.
What a load of crap. I am a student and this is rediculous. I am aware that there are bad schools out there, and this is showcasing thoughs and using them as an example for the entire school system. Total crap. Show a movie that isn't written by rebellious teenagers.
be afraid of sex, drugs, eachother, their families, the political hot button "enemy", and get to walk around from one indoctrination room to the next chowing down on "guvment" feed after they get the shit kicked out of them by jocks, get laughed at for thinking different, and then they get to go home and they wanna smoke pot like I did because their LIFE SUCKS. Public education sucks and the corporate faggots who love it suck...THANKS
Public education is a system of imposed ignorance. The history books are written by corporations that censor history, the sciences are over-simplified, all critical thought and passion are sucked out of the children, you get benefits from joining paramilitary clubs like ROTC, you're not allowed to touch or kiss other children in any way, the administrators get subsidies for every kid they dose on ADD drugs, the surveillance systems and cops are out of control, the kids are programmed to......
Both my parents are teachers. One thing they say has changed is that the only thing administrators care about anymore is prepping kids for the standardized tests so they don't loose any of their funding. No more time for inspirational lessons or lectures that stick with you till you have kids of your own. Now it's all about making sure you can remember a list of random facts long enough for you to put the answer on the scantron before you flush it out of your memory forever.
children are carry the morals instilled in them by their parents, if they have none then they simply abandonded those morals or their parent never taught them anything.
I just blogged about this film. I found out about it through The Colbert Report and as a teacher, became very intrigued by it. I think it's an important film and I hope everyone gets to see it. It sheds light on how flawed our schools actually are. Thanks.
If you're truly learning, you shouldn't have to memorize much at all (in my opinion) . That's what I hated about school: the repetition of things I already understood or got after five minutes of thinking about them. All the other sheep-kids were memorizing the definitions of words while I just broke the words down (I didn't know about latin roots at the time because I was like 10 years old but that's essentially what I did). They should teach theories more imo
When I was about 8 years old, the public school system took me aside, IQ tested me, concluded that I was really f**cking smart (think high 130s), then forgot about me. Who cares that this 1 in 1000+ kid was hating school and not doing as well as he could. Probably because I was quiet and didn't cause trouble, but who knows.
I'm a high school senior now. I get high to trick myself into jumping through their silly hoops. I have to. Good thing my body isn't building up a tolerance to Adderall :)
We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control. No dark sarcasim in the classroom. Teacher leave those kids alone. HEY! TEACHER! Leave those kids alone! All in all, you're just another brick in the wall. Pink Floyd had it right 30some odd years ago!
This was even true 20 years ago! I hated school with a passion and now it's worse. I knew going to school wasn't to be educated, it was to be programed for society. Class of '89
@HardRawRocknRoll Hey sorry to hear this, you are not the only one. I sometimes wish teachers took the time out to realise what a Hell Hole they have created sometimes.
Yet Governments, Councils and dirty politicians deem these as places of education. No in some cases they are not, they are a nightmare on a daily basis for kids...
But what do the authorities do if you take your child out of that place, they set their County Hall butchers on them... Don't you Northumberland County Council?
Finally, schools no longer simply are there just to teach, they are there to surpress individuality, free thinking and being the person you want to be or become.
Dont wear the wrong color shoes, no earrings, not even studs, don't wear make up, make sure you wear the right tie, don't wear your hair the wrong color, don't wear jewellery.. Thing is you can do all of these and still write.
As for suits and shoes, they run the world and what a mess it is in! Go figure.
i jjust watched this DVD and it was pretty disturbing...the saddest thing was i remember all the horrible things that happened to me when i was in school...i was constantly harrassed and teased by students and teachers...i never want to allow my son to enter such a horrible enviroment!!
@kimralunadiggs Actually, we watched in my college Writing class. The teacher believes all school before college is nothing more than compulsory schooling, and has little to no place in society. He wants us to think in our class and realize that we can make our own difference. The thing is, I want to home school my kids once I have some of my own, so that they get real experience and still leanr all they HAVE to to live in the world and get a good job of their choosing.
theres always going to be the person talking shit to you nno matter what for example:
either your dumd or nerd
either you prep or ganste
categories in which someone is put in at california: preps, farytale kid, white kids mexicans, asians, gansters (suth siders/ north siders), jocks, football players, asb (by the way the most poulear ones at school), band geeks, nerds, fatties
this is extremely....extremely disturbing. Canadians schools (where I attend school) have the same idea of 'its always the students fault' but we don'tt have on site police or security thank god.
It does look like a prison there. That in itself is sick.
@Dixiechic,yeah I'm from Canada too and thank god the security isnt as bad lol. But there is still bullshit where if one thing goes wrong, its the student(s) fault. And even so, they dont bother to find out why he/she did whatever that was "inappropriate". They simply say; "they're on drugs force them help", or, "they're violent, and should go to jail". In fact in elementry, I was suspended for throwing a glove with snow on it which "looked" like a snowball. The rules are sickening......
Even with all of this, are kids are falling further behind international kids. Something needs to be done to better educate them. Wasting money on zero tolerance this, zero tolerance that is not fixing the core problem with American public schools.
1:50 amen dude. You parents just don't understand what we kids want, every monday-friday I hve to go to school which means every moday-friday I want the world to end just so I don't want to go. I never feel safe at school. The things you think are good, TORTURE us. The one thing I wish for every day cancel school, FOREVER!
It's not propaganda unless it has a benefactor. You could claim that it aids a movement (ie. progressive or liberal) but that doesn't make it propaganda.
Give every arguement the benefit of the doubt but also challenge every point for what it is.
Start the arguement where it starts: "Do our kids need this?"
I have watched this movie and its pretty good and raises valid questions. Obviously, not all schools have problems like the schools seen here, but that some do is a valid concern.
With that in mind I agreed with this doc until the 1 hour mark where they went a bit beyond and seemingly insinuated that the basic school system. Getting up in the morning and going to school etc. Was also in error, which I dont agree with, but other than that it was still a interesting watch.
The amount of videos on YouTube surrounding "political" ideas that use this type of formula are astonishing.
Do people actually view this filth and adapt to the opinion expressed?
Are they that easy manipulated?
I have a feeling it is not a great majority who do get swayed by crack like this.But like all media trying to express a specific idea, it (the media) would like you to believe that the majority actually do believe the ideas expressed.
Third - adding music isn't "formula" any more than using oil paints when painting is formulaic. Films use music. They use images too.
Fourth - just because the extensive research of others has no impact on your closed-minded dimwitted brain, does not mean that people who are affected are part of the lowest common denominator.
Fifth - If you are going to insult people, at least run spell check. Independent is spelled e-n-t.
@infospectacle LOL Oops...hit a nerve there ? My OPINION was based on this video alone as this video is the one people here are viewing, then drawing their conclusion from and then commenting on. If you want to go off on another tangent about how viewers may comment here but could "very well have researched this whole idea then comented"...don't piss in my ear.
@infospectacle Not only does music evoke an array of emotions, it can be used to shape feelings and responses (yes, exactly how oil paint can envoke a feeling or response- we at least agree on one thing). But don't get carried away and flatly state "films use music" without understanding the implications of that use..it's not "just there" , it is there for a reason...part of the package of emotional manipulation. Much like this video is a package of propaganda used to sway fringe opinions.
Your complaint is moronic. All art seeks to shape opinion. Propaganda emerges when that effort is not based on the best available factual evidence. Your attack on the information provided is disingenuous and inaccurate, and your assertion that anything that tries to alter opinion is propaganda is facetious. I will take my cue from Thomas Paine and cease to bother responding to your inanities. "Arguing with people who have lost all sense of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
@infospectacle Great job continuing to open your responses with elementary level jabs, it shows your true colours! Don't worry about commenting again, it is easy enough to ignore things, especially ideas, when they become "inconvenient" or overpower your will. Anyone with access to Google can quote upon quote until their fingers go numb, it makes no difference here to the original comment.
I have no "attack" (you must see opposition and "them" everywhere). I have OPINION regarding the video.
@infospec And yes this is Propaganda as it seeks to show that the "police state" is everywhere and out to get poor, innocent helpless kids AKA ..YOU ! the viewer. Be Fearful and See! It;s out to get you!
@infospec As if this speaks for anything but the minority of schools or towns or even cities...spare me!
Any police presence in school is a shortcut answer to a greater problem..very similar to the cutting of corners this video displays in its poor attempt to pursuade anyone with more coherent thought than an average 5 year old.
Anyone with a camera and an idea to exploit can find people with opinions and shape the conclusion of their idea around the "evidence" they choose to look at.
You must not have went to public school. And how does it feel knowing you wasted all that time typing to someone who doesn't care. You must be really desperate for attention
@Mattm1986 How can you waste something that doesn't exist? ...I spent myself making conscious choices while engaging with someone over this forum. How and why I do that are my decisions and I have enough of my own judgements to worry about without giving credit to yours. If you want to be a troll at least feign interest in the conversation next time...good luck with getting over your disabilities :)
Time doesn't exist??? What??? It took you 7 months to respond so why did you even bother. But wait... It couldn't have been 7 months because that would imply that time has passed. But time doesn't exist to you. Lol, fuck off.
@Mattm1986 Time is a measurement OF something...it's the "OF" that exists...does a kilometer or mile "exist"? It is an idea used to express an idea...anyway, I figured you would have some slap-stick mediocre response based on your other comments I have read on YouTube...LOL, talking to you is more of passive entertainment, an intellectual masochism. BTW, I usually have much more progressive things to do while alive than constantly monitor YouTubeAt the moment i do not, 'time' for fun :P...chump!
@infospectacle I have to agree with you. Music isn't just propoganda. You know some people actually listen to music because they like it *shocker* music doesn't exsist just to persuade people. I'm not explaining my point well, but either way I disagree with what reformthenorm says.
oh and this documentary is actually touching a good point.
Music, visuals, tone and other things like that evoke an emotional response, they involve the viewer on an emotional level, which causes them to pay attention, and to think and view things from a different emotional perspective. Sure, this tool can be used dishonestly, sometimes purposefully, to distort the truth, like propaganda. But these emotional and psychological tools can also be used to take people out of their comfortable bias, to make them think in a new way.
@Thelaofkazi I also believe that there are benefits to using tools - for constructive measure within one's self. But when those tools are focused outward to others, that's when I do not accept their use. (this is the reason I choose to make my thoughts known regarding this "video")
I do not believe that emotional response = independent thought (rational or otherwise). If you disagree with this, I accept that.
Focused outward to others, isn't that sort of like... art? Sure, not all art is explicitly pushed on others, but it is someone's message, their thoughts, their emotions, and it influences others. Sure, there is the potential for dishonestly, but there is also the potential for giving someone a different view of the world and everything in between. It's communication, the spread of ideas, thoughts and emotions.
@Thelaofkazi Were the WWI era posters of Uncle Sam and others, art, or did it's potential to evoke an emotional response and feelings of patriotism, conviction, and duty convey a stronger political message? If this is the point of reference then we are both seeing the same thing but have made solid judgements somewhere on different points of the spectrum. I would say this video's focused message is more political than art.Not all politics are pushed on citizens but its message can be polarized
@infospectacle HAHA< "extensive research?" as if anything outside this 3:20 video comes into play when we are discussing this video alone as the work of manipulation it is. The only extensive here is how far this video horribly tries to reach out to those who cannot think for themselves and shape their minds to acceptance and agreeance.
This is only one of thousands of videos that use this pattern of stimulation to envoke the desired imbecilic response. Thanks Pavlov!
First - the footage of the police was not a drill. It is quite clear because students are being yelled at and made to lie down at gun point.
Second - The "opinions" are NOT made by random people, but by people who have extensive experience studying these issues before drawing their conclusions. If you want to challenge their authority, then there is no reason to see a medical doctor when you are sick. Why should a person's study of medicine matter to you?
those schools were one of the things that was a threat to Hitler's control in germany so he shut them down because these schools are nurturing and created independent, clear thinking, creative, dynamic, happy, whole people. they exist today all over the world and in the u.s.a. as well. They are very nurturing and put the child first, not the future "worker bee" type job or the society or system etc. - the child is unique & sacred . please check it out
Eh i dunno,,,,, I'm not speakin for everyone here and i agree i haven't experienced every school system but i don't think the metal detectors and gaurds are that bad. especially in schools where gang violence is an issue. all this things are put in place to keep kids safe, i've never seen them being abused to control them. But again i haven't seen it all.
I'm 21 right now and I saw the school system getting worse. For the first time in about 10th grade, there was a 'lockdown' and they had drug sniffing dogs and did some juvenile drug busts. That was the very first time in my whole life I even heard of stuff like that. I mean, our school had a few 'bomb threats'. But, that is no excuse to act like people did after 9/11 and tell the government "Yes to the PATRIOT Act, yes please take my civil liberties away. I'm scared!" Parents are to blame too.
Just watched this movie, it's frighteningly identical to all the problems that I had in school, even as "one of the good kids". The one important thing I think was mostly left out of the video is how detrimental it is to have 40+ students in a classroom and a teacher who's had their passion beaten out of them. Everyone just tries to survive school, let alone actually get something out of it. It really is like a prison.
It's so incredibly disappointing that a critique of school systems always includes bullshit about "drugging our children" with psychostimulants.
I have to say that school is even more toxic to kids with LDs/ADHD/autism, and the claims that any of these are really about schools oppressing "kids who are just kids" serves absolutely no one.
It's also demonstrably wrong (there's thousands of peer-reviewed articles on ADHD alone) and doesn't help support anti-school arguments.
Stastisically speaking tho', the rates of kids on these drugs are shocking in America. 90% of all ritalin prescriptions are in the US, for example where that drug is not even allowed to be used on children in the United Kingdom.
This is probably something to do with the private drug industry which even wreaks havoc here at home, despite a more socialized approach with institutions like the NHS.
I just wanna mention... this movie would never be made in Canada.
There's a lot more that needs to be changed than just the model of the school system in America... there wouldn't be a need for such bullshit police intervention (I use the term loosely) if guns weren't so fucking easy to get. But whatever.
Kids need to be respectful and safe or they deserve punishment but agree that our school system could use an entire remodeling. No one should have raise their hand and ask to go take a shit or get a drink of water.
Beware the military industrial complex! It is everywhere... and where better to be than at the cornerstones of society? Schools, doctors offices, prisons, and minds.
You said teachers should be free to do their own thing.
The line, "I don't need a union because I'm the best representative of me, I do what's right for me, not group" is an old chest nut of union busters. It's easy to read a person by the way they put words together, whether they know it or not. It doesn't matter if there's a union or not, when it comes to how people/kids grow and learn. If you're going to have coercion, then you're going to have a business, and a business has rank.
And for big business, screw initiative and innovation is also the mantra. Look how Bill Gates became the (at times) richest man in the world - by legally and illegally preventing innovation and participation by his competitors.
Unions exist because monopoly power exists. Get rid of one and the other goes.
I take it you're a non-unionized worker who's probably jealous of the union workers who make more money than you and have better benefits. Sorry that you work at Wal-Mart.
Quite frankly mam, you're an idiot. Meanwhile, I have a great unionized job (no, I'm not a teacher) and you don't. You have no idea what it's like or what you're missing out on. I feel sorry for you.
I agree with you, but it's the policymakers who are pushing for standardization. This trickles down to the principals, and other administrators, who enforce policymakers' will. Teachers are then forced to enforce this stuff in classrooms, or risk losing their jobs. It's done so that someone, somewhere, can claim responsibility for the so-called "improvements" seen. Politicians love stats, you know that. Problem is we suffer, as a result.
I don't trust students who come directly from high school to my university. They are either completely mentally locked into a prison paradigm of thought, or they are batshit crazy. A good student usually have a few years of nothing before university to function somewhat mentally.
I live in a small town, and while it's not as serious as shown on the video, the way they blame the students is INSANE. There was a senior at my school, he hadn't gotten in trouble or suspended once during his 4 years there.... he got accused of something that he didn't do, and was suspended without the school listening to his side of the story. It's crazy! They REFUSE to listen to you at all... They treat us like we're stupid.
The main reason people find no problem with the problem of the public school system is because they see no alternative. It is no secret that many schools look suspiciously like prisons, even the more upper class ones. I see nothing wrong with giving younger kids structure, but to not only deny and chastise them for utilizing the basic rights of our country and to bring themselves above the law, in such cases as "reasonable suspicion," is downright wrong. Something needs to drastically change.
But the question here seems to be one of asking why the wealthy live in a social atmosphere that promotes serious learning?
Back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, capitalist ideologues were pretty honest about this stuff. Too much learning for the working class was forthrightly condemned...it would make them "unfit" for the life of mindless toil that lay ahead of them. (Woodrow Wilson actually made a public speech to this effect.)
I graduated during the tail end of the 90's, before Columbine, and even then the conflict both myself and my mother had with the school administration was terrible. Any sense of being outspoken, inquisitive, or questioning their policies was met with the most hostile resistance. There's already been student riots on our colleges, it's just a matter of time before it gets to the high school level. I welcome that day.
You're just one person and no doubt, an intelligent one. Not because your parents have more money, but rather you were born that way. Student riots on college? Probably from the high end of the bell curve as the stupid students are too busy texting and getting wasted and the rest are probably too conservative. Out of a student body of maybe 30,000, only about a couple hundred probably rioted. High school? Not a chance. People either don't care or are too worried about getting into college.
A lot of people feel that way about their jobs. It's interesting, therefore, that they stand for it. It's like they've got an alien slug on their brains controlling them.
There are laws that allow workplaces to unionize. There's a reason why workers organize and form unions. For some reason, only 12 % of Americans are unionized. Maybe the public school system can be blamed for this. Or maybe, the workers who really needs union just aren't intelligent enough to form them. Back when 35% of workers were unionized, the low wage jobs were comprised of smart immigrants. Now, the low wage jobs are comprised of dumb and unmotivated people.
The problem is people expect that if you grew up in a radical way, you'd be aware of it. But most people feel "normal", so whatever happened to them couldn't have been that radical. You have to rely on clues. 1st, ponder the fact that you spent ALL OF YOUR CHILDHOOD being told what to think and when to think it. Then ponder the doubt and fear one feels at not forcing their kids to learn... Sending them to school feels right, not sending them feels wrong; when it should be the other way around!
Again, good public and private schools aren't really day care centers or "prisons". If the status quo is working in your favor, why cause any trouble? I also feel saddened when I hear of parents deliberately not sending their kids to school. So, it does feel wrong. You're right. But what's the alternative? They should play all day? No doubt, the stupid kids will and the smart ones will not.
Compulsory schooling is necessary. Kids should not run free.
"Critical, independent thought" is entirely based on genetics. If you were to throw the worst students in the world into the best public school with the best staff. You'll still have a bad school. People are born smarter, thus will not have discipline problems.
But you can quash what the average person is born with by making them spend the years between age 5 and 18 - 22 being told what to think and when to think it.
If a smart parent sends their kids to school, odds are they won't be like these "prisons" that are profiled in this movie. Thus, whatever their taught in school, is taught by professionals who teach them valueable skills and lessons. This director's complaint seems more geared towards the lower classes and their schools. Less intelligent kids cause behavior problems that take time away from class instruction. So, there's a reason why they are like "prisons".
All teachers agree, kids who do well come from stable, supportive, good homes. And kids who don't do well, don't. The problem is, no where in this equation is a validation for school itself. It's just a baby sitting service; but a destructive one, for where is the impetus to be a responsible parent when the state is going to take care of that for you! The question you have to ask is simple: Is coercion necessary? It may rattle tea cups, but school is just a day care center, and we all know it.
This is an ignorant comment, I am 19 and have been to 2 public schools in both Maine and Massachusetts, both of which are considered to be mostly white, non-violent, sub-urban, prestigious schools. Both of these schools now have security cameras in both the hallways and some classrooms. Both of these schools have at least one police officer on duty at the school at any given time. And speaking with many of the children in these schools, many are over-medicated, neglected and brainwashed.
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The problem is the mentality of society and corporate power. It's not "public" schooling.
Why don't you privatize education entirely, see how you like that.
Dummy257 2 months ago
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thats just wrong you cant do that school
grandtheftautokid199 3 months ago
the war in school begings with politics system... the privatazation and competetion over funding between schools and the thought control as to beign making students belive that thier infleunce thoughts and dreams doesnt matter, the thought controll beigings in school does american school allow differnt thinking out side democrats vs republican dicotomy? But the real was over kids is marketing and the branding of thoughts and feelings pushed forward by a liberal agenda.. u have a society controll
hansson2000 7 months ago
If you cant stand the heat stay outta the kitchen.
azulalover97 8 months ago
@azulalover97 The doors fucking locked -_- You have to go to school in the US
Salien1999 4 months ago
One last comment as I was thinking about all this, you know the greatest threat in the modern world that humanity faced, was not individuality, or the mechanics of individualism
No! the greatest threat that people faced in the modern world, was the Nazi's oh! and just look at how well dressed they all were, how well presented they were!
And just look at the uniformity.
One more thought, how many students who leave school really know or understand politics? - Think about it "Sheeple"?
Sliepnir2006 8 months ago
My daughter was plagued with harassment, singled out and bullied in her high school. Fortunately she was able to look after herself, eventually I got her moved!
As for the system, I have only word to say and that is RUN - Some teachers are a disgrace to their profession, others are simply horrible people, simple as that.
As for the those who have been bullied, I am sorry but it takes a strong parent to take the system on, its not that easy. And the system knows it can look after itself!
Sliepnir2006 8 months ago
Although this can be true for many schools, some schools actually have systems in place that work. A very interesting school to look at is summerhill, they put no emphasis on making the pupils attend lesson or school yet they still most their pupils choose to attend.
jimmybobster 8 months ago
Pretty much reminds me of school until I hit AP track. Not sending my kids to public school if I can afford it.
Kit42 8 months ago
Youre schools are modeled after prisons ...wake up
LostFREEDOM 9 months ago
School is a fraud , indoctrination is more like it
LostFREEDOM 9 months ago
I remember my time in school, the fear, the crushing of my self-esteem, the anxiety, the hatred of having to be in this hellishly dull place of indoctrination.
Sivels 9 months ago
@Sivels Oh my gosh! You just summed up all I feel in school. Seriously in my home I'm all happy and carefree actually learning on the interenet stuff that intersts me. And then I go to school and I'm just all sad and depressed. It's an ouraged that has to be stopped!!
ultimatedbzgtdbfan 9 months ago
Excellent movie. I still keep thinking about it.
nicolerowan 1 year ago
school will fall let the u.s.s.r flag rise, fight for freedom
coolweirdo333 1 year ago
The thing is, by adding police officers and the such (as my school has), you take away the lessons and add the punishment. Before, you get caught with drugs, or with a knife, or something like that, and you have to go down and talk to a guidance councilor or the principal and they reasonably tell you why that was wrong. Now, you get caught with something, you get taken away by the police, and the only thing you can think of that you did wrong, is you got caught. And so we make criminals.
badsalad313 1 year ago 8
too good i abandoned school
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thenfm 1 year ago
where can i watch the whole thing??
SuperKare123 1 year ago
@SuperKare123 thewaronkids com
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mauminishara 1 year ago
that kid's words were very powerful he should be our president
MeLuvsYuuu1347 1 year ago
I do not see a problem with the schools, I see a problem in pop culture/modern society which is the creation of all of this hell we call school, politics, crappy music, and others which you can think of.
Mongoose2272 1 year ago
I laugh at the so called "land of the free".
America becomes more like Nazi Germany every day.
Trustisaliability 1 year ago 6
THere's nothing wrong with kids that dont like public schooling, its the ones that DO like it that are fucked. Maybe the kids are playing up BECAUSE SCHOOL IS BORING BULLSHIT
LoiteringWithIntent 1 year ago
And what sickens me of school, its made COMPLETELY to dominate your life. I mean if you visit relatives, first question is "How's School"? If you have your own plans for the future that doesnt include school at all, everyone still says "Well git good grades in school and you might be able to do that!" When its summer holiday, they think that your all ready for next year, but what of the ppl going to summer school? If not, its still a measly 8 weeks out of the whole year you get off anyway......
pricture 1 year ago
School is corrupt, and I have to say if it continues to treat kids like "prison cattle", then somethings gonna give. Also check out this link, it gives very good reasons why school sucks. - school-survival*net/blog/p/why-do-i-hate-school/1490 (replace the * with a period)
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reformthenorm 1 year ago
@reformthenorm Youtube does not let you edit a film and repost it while leaving everything else intact. If we wanted to edit the trailer, all the comments would be deleted because it would be treated as a new post. This is all very amusing. You complained about something you imagined you watched(!) Brilliant.
infospectacle 1 year ago
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reformthenorm 1 year ago
@reformthenorm Nothing has been edited. Are you thinking of another film?
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AlanEWilson 1 year ago
Or search for Sir John Whitmore - Chairman, Every Family Matters.m4v
AlanEWilson 1 year ago
Lets be positive youtube.com/watch?v=KzIX-Jp5YfY
AlanEWilson 1 year ago
if you don't like cops in your schools stop bringing guns and dealing drugs.
mwells219 1 year ago
@mwells219
Really? That is about the dumbest comment anyone has left. By this "logic," since you defend persecution for all even though the vast majority of students do not engage in these activities, you should also be deprived of your liberties because others in your community commit crimes.
infospectacle 1 year ago 20
the reason the school that I worked at had police because freuently students would get caught with firearms and in posession of mariuana or cocaine. This is the truth of public schools in many parts of america. Safety is not persecution.
mwells219 1 year ago
@mwells219
Officers are in most school schools across the country. They rarely provide safety and more often turn minor issues into police actions and adversely impact the atmosphere in general. Incidents in the home profoundly exceed incidents in school when it comes to violence. Should officers be in everyone's home?
infospectacle 1 year ago 5
@mwells219 those kids can be put in special schools and not in the general population. and then the neighborhoos need to be cleaned up also. if there is violence & drugs in the neighborhood, the children will eventually get involved in what is around them. keeping such kids with the rest of the people is insane and the government is corrupt & incompetent. it is to train the people for the future marshalaw.
candygir7 1 year ago
@candygir7 yeah becaue we all know corporate america is the paragon of ethical behavior, like enron, and is always competent, like BP.
mwells219 1 year ago
@mwells219 you are right and there is videos on my website MayaBell about pharmaceutical corruption & other government corruption. then you have children bullies harrassing & harming other children constantly and the schools allow it. police & government have no right to get to the children; public schools need to be abolished along with prisons and military ASAP.
candygir7 1 year ago
Third grader arrested for drawing an army soldier? D:
TheBouncingFerrets 1 year ago
@TheBouncingFerrets I mean suspended...
TheBouncingFerrets 1 year ago
Part of the problem with schools is kids that bring drugs and violence on to the campus are allowed to continue to attend. Those troubled kids need to be removed and placed into an alt school so the rest of the students don't have to suffer. Instead they create rules so restrictive that everyone has to suffer. Rules such as 3 min between class, no lockers, restroom restrictions, unreasonable dress codes and more. It isn't fair that kids have to suffer because of a few ghetto kids.
billybassman21 1 year ago
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my school made me go insane in the 5th grade when i said something like That was stupid and then i got a speech of my teacher saying that i was going to be a drug dealer... ever since my classmates have been snitching on each other left and right 4 were suspended because they cussed and they even got in trouble for saying poop, stupid, etc. i got my first C,D,and F. im nearing 7grade which i think i will survive. Ever since then ive had nightmares about me going in school killin evryone
hamsterman8 1 year ago
my school made me go insane in the 5th grade when i said something like That was stupid and then i got a speech of my teacher saying that i was going to be a drug dealer... ever since my classmates have been snitching on each other left and right 4 were suspended because they cussed and they even got in trouble for saying poop, stupid, etc. i got my first C,D,and F. im nearing 7grade which i think i will survive. Ever since then ive had nightmares about me going in school killin evryone
hamsterman8 1 year ago
@hamsterman8 You don't have to go to school. You can be home schooled through the internet and it still counts as a grade school or high school diploma. Research it.
michaelencarnacion 1 year ago
This is true. School is scary. It doesn't have to be, but school is child abuse.
thatentrenchingtool 1 year ago
What a load of crap. I am a student and this is rediculous. I am aware that there are bad schools out there, and this is showcasing thoughs and using them as an example for the entire school system. Total crap. Show a movie that isn't written by rebellious teenagers.
Dorako753 1 year ago
@Dorako753 agree
reformthenorm 1 year ago
U r all dumb ass americans
happyfred123 1 year ago
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ArandurKing909 1 year ago
Very happy that Emma doesn't have to be in this kind of environment.
swampmomster 1 year ago
Love the use of RATM in this trailer.
SkateHomeless 1 year ago
be afraid of sex, drugs, eachother, their families, the political hot button "enemy", and get to walk around from one indoctrination room to the next chowing down on "guvment" feed after they get the shit kicked out of them by jocks, get laughed at for thinking different, and then they get to go home and they wanna smoke pot like I did because their LIFE SUCKS. Public education sucks and the corporate faggots who love it suck...THANKS
Bodhidharma1986 1 year ago
Public education is a system of imposed ignorance. The history books are written by corporations that censor history, the sciences are over-simplified, all critical thought and passion are sucked out of the children, you get benefits from joining paramilitary clubs like ROTC, you're not allowed to touch or kiss other children in any way, the administrators get subsidies for every kid they dose on ADD drugs, the surveillance systems and cops are out of control, the kids are programmed to......
Bodhidharma1986 1 year ago
Both my parents are teachers. One thing they say has changed is that the only thing administrators care about anymore is prepping kids for the standardized tests so they don't loose any of their funding. No more time for inspirational lessons or lectures that stick with you till you have kids of your own. Now it's all about making sure you can remember a list of random facts long enough for you to put the answer on the scantron before you flush it out of your memory forever.
gobo760 1 year ago
children are carry the morals instilled in them by their parents, if they have none then they simply abandonded those morals or their parent never taught them anything.
lugwidvantolkkentake 1 year ago
My school has cops in it.
Lilpoizon98 1 year ago
I just blogged about this film. I found out about it through The Colbert Report and as a teacher, became very intrigued by it. I think it's an important film and I hope everyone gets to see it. It sheds light on how flawed our schools actually are. Thanks.
organicgirl6 1 year ago 3
@lazyd0g
If you're truly learning, you shouldn't have to memorize much at all (in my opinion) . That's what I hated about school: the repetition of things I already understood or got after five minutes of thinking about them. All the other sheep-kids were memorizing the definitions of words while I just broke the words down (I didn't know about latin roots at the time because I was like 10 years old but that's essentially what I did). They should teach theories more imo
dorado221 1 year ago 2
hah! american communists... we have it ok here. well they began installing cameras in schools 3 years ago when I finished.
mrkiky 1 year ago
They teach us exactly what we need to know-to blindly follow a fucking totalitarian system rigged with lies and deceit.
omegaforceshockwave 1 year ago 4
Schools are just mini prisons for children and if they refuse to go they are severely punished...
Fuck The oppressive system!!!
NinjaChampionKO 1 year ago 3
Juggalo at 0:24 ------cool
the FONZ Harry Winkler at 3:13 saying school is cool ---- Priceless
MrAubery 1 year ago
When I was about 8 years old, the public school system took me aside, IQ tested me, concluded that I was really f**cking smart (think high 130s), then forgot about me. Who cares that this 1 in 1000+ kid was hating school and not doing as well as he could. Probably because I was quiet and didn't cause trouble, but who knows.
I'm a high school senior now. I get high to trick myself into jumping through their silly hoops. I have to. Good thing my body isn't building up a tolerance to Adderall :)
dorado221 1 year ago
We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control. No dark sarcasim in the classroom. Teacher leave those kids alone. HEY! TEACHER! Leave those kids alone! All in all, you're just another brick in the wall. Pink Floyd had it right 30some odd years ago!
solitaryamazon 1 year ago 4
This was even true 20 years ago! I hated school with a passion and now it's worse. I knew going to school wasn't to be educated, it was to be programed for society. Class of '89
solitaryamazon 1 year ago 3
I was the kid yelled at all day long!!!! where can I find the film? I wanna forward it to my former school teachers!
HardRawRocknRoll 1 year ago 12
It can be found at thewaronkids dot-com
infospectacle 1 year ago
@HardRawRocknRoll Hey sorry to hear this, you are not the only one. I sometimes wish teachers took the time out to realise what a Hell Hole they have created sometimes.
Yet Governments, Councils and dirty politicians deem these as places of education. No in some cases they are not, they are a nightmare on a daily basis for kids...
But what do the authorities do if you take your child out of that place, they set their County Hall butchers on them... Don't you Northumberland County Council?
Sliepnir2006 8 months ago
Finally, schools no longer simply are there just to teach, they are there to surpress individuality, free thinking and being the person you want to be or become.
Dont wear the wrong color shoes, no earrings, not even studs, don't wear make up, make sure you wear the right tie, don't wear your hair the wrong color, don't wear jewellery.. Thing is you can do all of these and still write.
As for suits and shoes, they run the world and what a mess it is in! Go figure.
Sliepnir2006 8 months ago
I want to see this film! Its so true, school is nothing but a f-ing totalitarian hellhole. Could I rent it, or is it only to buy? :P
pricture 1 year ago 4
Only available for purchase - thewaronkids com
infospectacle 1 year ago
i jjust watched this DVD and it was pretty disturbing...the saddest thing was i remember all the horrible things that happened to me when i was in school...i was constantly harrassed and teased by students and teachers...i never want to allow my son to enter such a horrible enviroment!!
kimralunadiggs 2 years ago
@kimralunadiggs Actually, we watched in my college Writing class. The teacher believes all school before college is nothing more than compulsory schooling, and has little to no place in society. He wants us to think in our class and realize that we can make our own difference. The thing is, I want to home school my kids once I have some of my own, so that they get real experience and still leanr all they HAVE to to live in the world and get a good job of their choosing.
rentheadangelcollins 2 years ago
1:51 - 2:08 its exactly my thing
theres always going to be the person talking shit to you nno matter what for example:
either your dumd or nerd
either you prep or ganste
categories in which someone is put in at california: preps, farytale kid, white kids mexicans, asians, gansters (suth siders/ north siders), jocks, football players, asb (by the way the most poulear ones at school), band geeks, nerds, fatties
its just hell
guslb12 2 years ago 2
this is extremely....extremely disturbing. Canadians schools (where I attend school) have the same idea of 'its always the students fault' but we don'tt have on site police or security thank god.
It does look like a prison there. That in itself is sick.
Dixichic7147 2 years ago 2
@Dixiechic,yeah I'm from Canada too and thank god the security isnt as bad lol. But there is still bullshit where if one thing goes wrong, its the student(s) fault. And even so, they dont bother to find out why he/she did whatever that was "inappropriate". They simply say; "they're on drugs force them help", or, "they're violent, and should go to jail". In fact in elementry, I was suspended for throwing a glove with snow on it which "looked" like a snowball. The rules are sickening......
pricture 1 year ago
Abolish School.
ORDENILLUMINATI 2 years ago
whats the name of the song?
lordrazi111693 2 years ago
@lordrazi111693
rage aginst the macine-killing in the name of
Str8jacket88 2 years ago
Even with all of this, are kids are falling further behind international kids. Something needs to be done to better educate them. Wasting money on zero tolerance this, zero tolerance that is not fixing the core problem with American public schools.
pat02537 2 years ago
1:50 amen dude. You parents just don't understand what we kids want, every monday-friday I hve to go to school which means every moday-friday I want the world to end just so I don't want to go. I never feel safe at school. The things you think are good, TORTURE us. The one thing I wish for every day cancel school, FOREVER!
Benstudio13 2 years ago
we watched this clip today in my early education/childhood development class very interesting, but yeah something has to be done.
bovi89 2 years ago
would have looked more serious without that music.
ComoNor 2 years ago
It's not propaganda unless it has a benefactor. You could claim that it aids a movement (ie. progressive or liberal) but that doesn't make it propaganda.
Give every arguement the benefit of the doubt but also challenge every point for what it is.
Start the arguement where it starts: "Do our kids need this?"
Clembo 2 years ago
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KashimaProductons 2 years ago
Why the fuck is there music in the background of this video? Is this the actual copy? I feel like I'm listening to the radio while watching this.
kittyfox7 2 years ago
dude that is a bad school the worst school i ever seen buuuuuuuuuu buuuuuuuuuuu for that schoolo
TheSebFilms 2 years ago
I have watched this movie and its pretty good and raises valid questions. Obviously, not all schools have problems like the schools seen here, but that some do is a valid concern.
With that in mind I agreed with this doc until the 1 hour mark where they went a bit beyond and seemingly insinuated that the basic school system. Getting up in the morning and going to school etc. Was also in error, which I dont agree with, but other than that it was still a interesting watch.
Lobos222 2 years ago
Watching this, I'm friggin' ecstatic I went to military school instead. Your public system sucks lol.
I'm laughing & I shouldn't be, but omg this is friggin' craziness, dude. Attack the kids, ignore the sources, right?
Efferts 2 years ago 3
Thanks for posting this trailer! I'm gonna go watch it =)
Spartan9095 2 years ago
Where am I supposed to watch this doc? If it's not free I don't give a fuck lol.
macwild1234 2 years ago
The amount of videos on YouTube surrounding "political" ideas that use this type of formula are astonishing.
Do people actually view this filth and adapt to the opinion expressed?
Are they that easy manipulated?
I have a feeling it is not a great majority who do get swayed by crack like this.But like all media trying to express a specific idea, it (the media) would like you to believe that the majority actually do believe the ideas expressed.
reformthenorm 2 years ago
Third - adding music isn't "formula" any more than using oil paints when painting is formulaic. Films use music. They use images too.
Fourth - just because the extensive research of others has no impact on your closed-minded dimwitted brain, does not mean that people who are affected are part of the lowest common denominator.
Fifth - If you are going to insult people, at least run spell check. Independent is spelled e-n-t.
infospectacle 2 years ago
@infospectacle LOL Oops...hit a nerve there ? My OPINION was based on this video alone as this video is the one people here are viewing, then drawing their conclusion from and then commenting on. If you want to go off on another tangent about how viewers may comment here but could "very well have researched this whole idea then comented"...don't piss in my ear.
reformthenorm 2 years ago
@infospectacle Not only does music evoke an array of emotions, it can be used to shape feelings and responses (yes, exactly how oil paint can envoke a feeling or response- we at least agree on one thing). But don't get carried away and flatly state "films use music" without understanding the implications of that use..it's not "just there" , it is there for a reason...part of the package of emotional manipulation. Much like this video is a package of propaganda used to sway fringe opinions.
reformthenorm 2 years ago
Your complaint is moronic. All art seeks to shape opinion. Propaganda emerges when that effort is not based on the best available factual evidence. Your attack on the information provided is disingenuous and inaccurate, and your assertion that anything that tries to alter opinion is propaganda is facetious. I will take my cue from Thomas Paine and cease to bother responding to your inanities. "Arguing with people who have lost all sense of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
infospectacle 2 years ago 4
@infospectacle Great job continuing to open your responses with elementary level jabs, it shows your true colours! Don't worry about commenting again, it is easy enough to ignore things, especially ideas, when they become "inconvenient" or overpower your will. Anyone with access to Google can quote upon quote until their fingers go numb, it makes no difference here to the original comment.
I have no "attack" (you must see opposition and "them" everywhere). I have OPINION regarding the video.
reformthenorm 2 years ago
@infospec And yes this is Propaganda as it seeks to show that the "police state" is everywhere and out to get poor, innocent helpless kids AKA ..YOU ! the viewer. Be Fearful and See! It;s out to get you!
reformthenorm 2 years ago
@infospec As if this speaks for anything but the minority of schools or towns or even cities...spare me!
Any police presence in school is a shortcut answer to a greater problem..very similar to the cutting of corners this video displays in its poor attempt to pursuade anyone with more coherent thought than an average 5 year old.
Anyone with a camera and an idea to exploit can find people with opinions and shape the conclusion of their idea around the "evidence" they choose to look at.
reformthenorm 2 years ago
@reformthenorm
You must not have went to public school. And how does it feel knowing you wasted all that time typing to someone who doesn't care. You must be really desperate for attention
Mattm1986 2 years ago
@Mattm1986 How can you waste something that doesn't exist? ...I spent myself making conscious choices while engaging with someone over this forum. How and why I do that are my decisions and I have enough of my own judgements to worry about without giving credit to yours. If you want to be a troll at least feign interest in the conversation next time...good luck with getting over your disabilities :)
reformthenorm 1 year ago
@reformthenorm
Time doesn't exist??? What??? It took you 7 months to respond so why did you even bother. But wait... It couldn't have been 7 months because that would imply that time has passed. But time doesn't exist to you. Lol, fuck off.
Mattm1986 1 year ago
@Mattm1986 Time is a measurement OF something...it's the "OF" that exists...does a kilometer or mile "exist"? It is an idea used to express an idea...anyway, I figured you would have some slap-stick mediocre response based on your other comments I have read on YouTube...LOL, talking to you is more of passive entertainment, an intellectual masochism. BTW, I usually have much more progressive things to do while alive than constantly monitor YouTubeAt the moment i do not, 'time' for fun :P...chump!
reformthenorm 1 year ago
@Mattm1986 Time does not exist. Clocks exist.
marxiskarl 9 months ago
@infospectacle I have to agree with you. Music isn't just propoganda. You know some people actually listen to music because they like it *shocker* music doesn't exsist just to persuade people. I'm not explaining my point well, but either way I disagree with what reformthenorm says.
oh and this documentary is actually touching a good point.
Pixelrelated 1 year ago
@reformthenorm
Music, visuals, tone and other things like that evoke an emotional response, they involve the viewer on an emotional level, which causes them to pay attention, and to think and view things from a different emotional perspective. Sure, this tool can be used dishonestly, sometimes purposefully, to distort the truth, like propaganda. But these emotional and psychological tools can also be used to take people out of their comfortable bias, to make them think in a new way.
Thelaofkazi 1 year ago
@Thelaofkazi I also believe that there are benefits to using tools - for constructive measure within one's self. But when those tools are focused outward to others, that's when I do not accept their use. (this is the reason I choose to make my thoughts known regarding this "video")
I do not believe that emotional response = independent thought (rational or otherwise). If you disagree with this, I accept that.
reformthenorm 1 year ago
@reformthenorm
Focused outward to others, isn't that sort of like... art? Sure, not all art is explicitly pushed on others, but it is someone's message, their thoughts, their emotions, and it influences others. Sure, there is the potential for dishonestly, but there is also the potential for giving someone a different view of the world and everything in between. It's communication, the spread of ideas, thoughts and emotions.
Thelaofkazi 1 year ago
@Thelaofkazi Were the WWI era posters of Uncle Sam and others, art, or did it's potential to evoke an emotional response and feelings of patriotism, conviction, and duty convey a stronger political message? If this is the point of reference then we are both seeing the same thing but have made solid judgements somewhere on different points of the spectrum. I would say this video's focused message is more political than art.Not all politics are pushed on citizens but its message can be polarized
reformthenorm 1 year ago
@infospectacle HAHA< "extensive research?" as if anything outside this 3:20 video comes into play when we are discussing this video alone as the work of manipulation it is. The only extensive here is how far this video horribly tries to reach out to those who cannot think for themselves and shape their minds to acceptance and agreeance.
This is only one of thousands of videos that use this pattern of stimulation to envoke the desired imbecilic response. Thanks Pavlov!
reformthenorm 2 years ago
Wow, talk about heavy handed. Whatever happened to fair reporting?
rachelmari 2 years ago
@rachelmari THANK YOU!
After watching this video, i read the first comment and you expressed my thought for me just fine ! :D
Basic Formula:
-video clips of police drills in schools
-sound bytes and short clips of random peoples OPINIONS.
-sympathetic monologue expressing distaste for a short spectrum of negativity surrounding an issue.
-"renegade" type music
Mix it together and ..TA DA! Opinion shaping propaganda for the viewer with the lowest common denominator of independant thought
reformthenorm 2 years ago
You are an idiot and here is why:
First - the footage of the police was not a drill. It is quite clear because students are being yelled at and made to lie down at gun point.
Second - The "opinions" are NOT made by random people, but by people who have extensive experience studying these issues before drawing their conclusions. If you want to challenge their authority, then there is no reason to see a medical doctor when you are sick. Why should a person's study of medicine matter to you?
infospectacle 2 years ago
try a Rudolf Steiner Waldorf School...
those schools were one of the things that was a threat to Hitler's control in germany so he shut them down because these schools are nurturing and created independent, clear thinking, creative, dynamic, happy, whole people. they exist today all over the world and in the u.s.a. as well. They are very nurturing and put the child first, not the future "worker bee" type job or the society or system etc. - the child is unique & sacred . please check it out
ancientwisdom2012 2 years ago
it really only becomes a problem in High School.
Radicaldreamer255 2 years ago
Eh i dunno,,,,, I'm not speakin for everyone here and i agree i haven't experienced every school system but i don't think the metal detectors and gaurds are that bad. especially in schools where gang violence is an issue. all this things are put in place to keep kids safe, i've never seen them being abused to control them. But again i haven't seen it all.
Edy54321 2 years ago
I'm 21 right now and I saw the school system getting worse. For the first time in about 10th grade, there was a 'lockdown' and they had drug sniffing dogs and did some juvenile drug busts. That was the very first time in my whole life I even heard of stuff like that. I mean, our school had a few 'bomb threats'. But, that is no excuse to act like people did after 9/11 and tell the government "Yes to the PATRIOT Act, yes please take my civil liberties away. I'm scared!" Parents are to blame too.
AscottW 2 years ago 14
Just watched this movie, it's frighteningly identical to all the problems that I had in school, even as "one of the good kids". The one important thing I think was mostly left out of the video is how detrimental it is to have 40+ students in a classroom and a teacher who's had their passion beaten out of them. Everyone just tries to survive school, let alone actually get something out of it. It really is like a prison.
cherubicwindigo 2 years ago 20
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just watched this film and it is excellent
majikninja07 2 years ago
Excellent video
HypocritesOfCongress 2 years ago
i saw this movie and its true about how kids are living in the world, its very horrifying.
girondi1 2 years ago 2
It's so incredibly disappointing that a critique of school systems always includes bullshit about "drugging our children" with psychostimulants.
I have to say that school is even more toxic to kids with LDs/ADHD/autism, and the claims that any of these are really about schools oppressing "kids who are just kids" serves absolutely no one.
It's also demonstrably wrong (there's thousands of peer-reviewed articles on ADHD alone) and doesn't help support anti-school arguments.
BeanDelphikiMD 2 years ago
Stastisically speaking tho', the rates of kids on these drugs are shocking in America. 90% of all ritalin prescriptions are in the US, for example where that drug is not even allowed to be used on children in the United Kingdom.
This is probably something to do with the private drug industry which even wreaks havoc here at home, despite a more socialized approach with institutions like the NHS.
JiubLink 2 years ago 2
I just wanna mention... this movie would never be made in Canada.
There's a lot more that needs to be changed than just the model of the school system in America... there wouldn't be a need for such bullshit police intervention (I use the term loosely) if guns weren't so fucking easy to get. But whatever.
I wanna see this movie, it looks interesting.
biglmac 2 years ago
Kids need to be respectful and safe or they deserve punishment but agree that our school system could use an entire remodeling. No one should have raise their hand and ask to go take a shit or get a drink of water.
H4nz08 2 years ago
Beware the military industrial complex! It is everywhere... and where better to be than at the cornerstones of society? Schools, doctors offices, prisons, and minds.
If you've got them there, then you've got them.
YourLordVicious 2 years ago 2
Totally correct.
JiubLink 2 years ago
You said teachers should be free to do their own thing.
The line, "I don't need a union because I'm the best representative of me, I do what's right for me, not group" is an old chest nut of union busters. It's easy to read a person by the way they put words together, whether they know it or not. It doesn't matter if there's a union or not, when it comes to how people/kids grow and learn. If you're going to have coercion, then you're going to have a business, and a business has rank.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
Haha for the union thugs their union is their god. Screw initiative and innovation, protect the union at all cost. "Union busters" are teh evil!!!!
manco82 2 years ago
And for big business, screw initiative and innovation is also the mantra. Look how Bill Gates became the (at times) richest man in the world - by legally and illegally preventing innovation and participation by his competitors.
Unions exist because monopoly power exists. Get rid of one and the other goes.
TheGiantRobot 2 years ago
I Completely agree with the kid at 1:51.
PandemicDead 2 years ago 2
Not interested in a debate about unions.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
But why do you think coercion is necessary in the first place?
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
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MeanMom101 2 years ago
I take it you're a non-unionized worker who's probably jealous of the union workers who make more money than you and have better benefits. Sorry that you work at Wal-Mart.
Quite frankly mam, you're an idiot. Meanwhile, I have a great unionized job (no, I'm not a teacher) and you don't. You have no idea what it's like or what you're missing out on. I feel sorry for you.
Roguemember 2 years ago
I agree with you, but it's the policymakers who are pushing for standardization. This trickles down to the principals, and other administrators, who enforce policymakers' will. Teachers are then forced to enforce this stuff in classrooms, or risk losing their jobs. It's done so that someone, somewhere, can claim responsibility for the so-called "improvements" seen. Politicians love stats, you know that. Problem is we suffer, as a result.
CharmingMan27 2 years ago
I don't trust students who come directly from high school to my university. They are either completely mentally locked into a prison paradigm of thought, or they are batshit crazy. A good student usually have a few years of nothing before university to function somewhat mentally.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
I live in a small town, and while it's not as serious as shown on the video, the way they blame the students is INSANE. There was a senior at my school, he hadn't gotten in trouble or suspended once during his 4 years there.... he got accused of something that he didn't do, and was suspended without the school listening to his side of the story. It's crazy! They REFUSE to listen to you at all... They treat us like we're stupid.
XiceyXglassXcandlesX 2 years ago 2
The main reason people find no problem with the problem of the public school system is because they see no alternative. It is no secret that many schools look suspiciously like prisons, even the more upper class ones. I see nothing wrong with giving younger kids structure, but to not only deny and chastise them for utilizing the basic rights of our country and to bring themselves above the law, in such cases as "reasonable suspicion," is downright wrong. Something needs to drastically change.
SOBman123 2 years ago 2
But the question here seems to be one of asking why the wealthy live in a social atmosphere that promotes serious learning?
Back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, capitalist ideologues were pretty honest about this stuff. Too much learning for the working class was forthrightly condemned...it would make them "unfit" for the life of mindless toil that lay ahead of them. (Woodrow Wilson actually made a public speech to this effect.)
Roguemember 2 years ago
I graduated during the tail end of the 90's, before Columbine, and even then the conflict both myself and my mother had with the school administration was terrible. Any sense of being outspoken, inquisitive, or questioning their policies was met with the most hostile resistance. There's already been student riots on our colleges, it's just a matter of time before it gets to the high school level. I welcome that day.
Wrathbone13 2 years ago 2
You're just one person and no doubt, an intelligent one. Not because your parents have more money, but rather you were born that way. Student riots on college? Probably from the high end of the bell curve as the stupid students are too busy texting and getting wasted and the rest are probably too conservative. Out of a student body of maybe 30,000, only about a couple hundred probably rioted. High school? Not a chance. People either don't care or are too worried about getting into college.
Roguemember 2 years ago
The Rage soundtrack was a bit over-the-top.
mariner40 2 years ago 2
Second that.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
Oh, and if that kid wants to know what it's like to go to a prison and be overwhelmed with a feeling of "worthlessness". Wait until he gets a job.
Roguemember 2 years ago
A lot of people feel that way about their jobs. It's interesting, therefore, that they stand for it. It's like they've got an alien slug on their brains controlling them.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
There are laws that allow workplaces to unionize. There's a reason why workers organize and form unions. For some reason, only 12 % of Americans are unionized. Maybe the public school system can be blamed for this. Or maybe, the workers who really needs union just aren't intelligent enough to form them. Back when 35% of workers were unionized, the low wage jobs were comprised of smart immigrants. Now, the low wage jobs are comprised of dumb and unmotivated people.
Roguemember 2 years ago
The problem is people expect that if you grew up in a radical way, you'd be aware of it. But most people feel "normal", so whatever happened to them couldn't have been that radical. You have to rely on clues. 1st, ponder the fact that you spent ALL OF YOUR CHILDHOOD being told what to think and when to think it. Then ponder the doubt and fear one feels at not forcing their kids to learn... Sending them to school feels right, not sending them feels wrong; when it should be the other way around!
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
Again, good public and private schools aren't really day care centers or "prisons". If the status quo is working in your favor, why cause any trouble? I also feel saddened when I hear of parents deliberately not sending their kids to school. So, it does feel wrong. You're right. But what's the alternative? They should play all day? No doubt, the stupid kids will and the smart ones will not.
Compulsory schooling is necessary. Kids should not run free.
Roguemember 2 years ago
Why do you think coercion is necessary for growth and learning?
If you research homeschoolers, you won't feel so saddened.
Schools are just day care centers. Sorry. The only thing you learn there is obedience.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
"Critical, independent thought" is entirely based on genetics. If you were to throw the worst students in the world into the best public school with the best staff. You'll still have a bad school. People are born smarter, thus will not have discipline problems.
Roguemember 2 years ago
But you can quash what the average person is born with by making them spend the years between age 5 and 18 - 22 being told what to think and when to think it.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
If a smart parent sends their kids to school, odds are they won't be like these "prisons" that are profiled in this movie. Thus, whatever their taught in school, is taught by professionals who teach them valueable skills and lessons. This director's complaint seems more geared towards the lower classes and their schools. Less intelligent kids cause behavior problems that take time away from class instruction. So, there's a reason why they are like "prisons".
Roguemember 2 years ago
All teachers agree, kids who do well come from stable, supportive, good homes. And kids who don't do well, don't. The problem is, no where in this equation is a validation for school itself. It's just a baby sitting service; but a destructive one, for where is the impetus to be a responsible parent when the state is going to take care of that for you! The question you have to ask is simple: Is coercion necessary? It may rattle tea cups, but school is just a day care center, and we all know it.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
This is an ignorant comment, I am 19 and have been to 2 public schools in both Maine and Massachusetts, both of which are considered to be mostly white, non-violent, sub-urban, prestigious schools. Both of these schools now have security cameras in both the hallways and some classrooms. Both of these schools have at least one police officer on duty at the school at any given time. And speaking with many of the children in these schools, many are over-medicated, neglected and brainwashed.
SOBman123 2 years ago
Amazing. If not for Home Education Magazine I would have no idea this film existed.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago 2
Man, American Schools....
soniccage 2 years ago
most people - all talk, no action
semeesonic 2 years ago
Watch John Taylor Gatto, he talks about the same thing
321lawc 2 years ago
lol i cant wait to see this. it looks HILARIOUS
rewazi 2 years ago