FSN Sport Science - Episode 4 - Cheap Shots - Stick vs. Bat

[DRUMer2412]

He held the stick like a fuckin retard.

[Vivalaawesome123]

I'm pretty sure everyone saw that coming from the start.... Hockey sticks are meant to flex....

[motherlover112233]

wow swung that like a pussy, buddy if u wanna crack somebody with a hockey stick u tomahawk it, and of course ud get a concussion, somebody gave a guy a seizure doin it properly

[agraham2492]

Now try skating at 35 mph and swinging it properly...

[ImJoshinYah]

mcsorley hes a family friend

[lxCheshireCatxl]

that was more like a cross check to the face. if he would of swung it like a bat like McSorely did on Brashear when he got charged with assault with a deadly weapon

[MrLovethehater]

wtf up with that hockey swing

[xxxDeiax]

1. They should have pros performing the hits

2. The material of the stick and the bat are way different.

3. The positioning of his hands are different when handling the stick/bat. And that makes a considerable difference.

They are trying to compare water to wine.

[Deimiond]

Dino Ciccarelli got imprisoned for 1 day for assaulting rookie defenceman Luke Richardson in 1988. Wonder why that's not mentioned?

[tsully411]

who the fuck would swing a stick like that?

[lazyidiotofthemonth]

1. he held hockey stick completely backwards and way too wide. All the energy came from the rotation of his torso.

2. They used a composite stick when in every single instance of pro players using a stick as a weapon, used a pine or maple stick or alluminum shafted stick.

3. They are completely ignoring the impact of the head on the ice, which is what knocked Donald Brashear out, not the impact of the stick.

4. They should have brought Mcsorely to deliver the hit.

[LTrojanowski1]

they should have swung with 1 hand, because the picture showed him handling it with one hand, and who swings a hockey stick like that?

[harvey19911]

dude is clearly american cuz if he was canadian he would know how to hold a hockey stick

[TheHockeyman93]

his lower hand was too low

[brutalplanet23]

no one swings their stick like that

[therubixman]

should've mythbustered it. Remove variables: have them either both made from wood or the same composite material. Have the hockey stick slash from a range of flexes. Use the same form.

[angeldarklcd]

I think if they got a 100 flex stick (which is probably fairly common for professionals) and swung it a different way it would have been over 150HIC probably easily. No way it would ever get close to the bat because of the difference in mass alone.

[fuegoyeago]

this guy is clearly not a hockey player... he had no technique and he used the shaft.. not the heel. not to mention his shaft was highly flexible. of course the bat will hit harder but at least give us zedeno chara

[oXoMeltdowNoXo]

REALLY??!?!! People are arguing for the hockey stick???!!! Think about it, what would you rather have, Stick from a tree or a branch??? Oh he swung wrong??? Really seemed to me he had his hands in the right areas and it should have supplied more force than swinging it like a baseball bat.... Common sense people, Bats a thicker and have ZERO GIVE.... anyone who tries to say any different is out of there mind.

[oXoMeltdowNoXo]

@oXoMeltdowNoXo

and when i say had his hands in the the right area (hockey stick)... the leverage from the positioning from his hands make the stick not have that much more give.... if he held it like a baseball bat, there would have been less force and way more give to the hockey stick.... Didn't people learn this in 7th grade???

[ShookOnesTO]

@oXoMeltdowNoXo hahaha you replied to yourself

[stsk7]

@oXoMeltdowNoXo you spelled "there" wrong it's their.

[mat040298]

Wow

[Skytwister]

I got a headache watching this

[stei667]

i acctually got his by a full force slap shot, with the stick, after the follow through, and i was still standing, and wasn't concussed or anything. just got a cut above my eye that needed a few stiches.

[Cheesiethecheese]

too bad this wasnt made when chris simon was at his prime

[philliesgurl26]

this is way too scientifical, what if one guy was way stronger?

[bwarren1515]

Well if he had used the same grip on the baseball bat as he did the hockey stick there would have been a lot less force created. But I guess he is holding them the same way a player in each sport would hold them. Still if he held the hockey stick the same way as he did the baseball bat it would have had much greater force.

[stei667]

@bwarren1515

even though it would have had a greater force, the baseball bat would still win, because hockey stick, wooden or carbon composite, are designed to bend, and a baseball bat is solid, and hockey sticks tend to be hollow, most anyways.

[daydaviddunn]

wft doc

would have gone in ther hit him with my hockey sdtick

yeah weres your minor concussion now

[bestbefore26]

get barry bonds to smoke that dummys head

[R0ckMusicL0v3r]

The bat has a large, barrel shaped dense striking area, much like a hammer. A hockey stick has a thin, lighter but equally rigid striking surface, much like an axe. A slash to the head, if swung the right way, can decapitate a person.

[sillybanana2]

What about field hockey stick? :D:D:D

[Dagvalda]

I love NHL as much as the next guy, but there's a reason why the baseball bat has a rep for mafia games/movies/home protection etc, and not the hockey stick.

...hurling stick would own both mind you.

[johnnypark2011]

he is too weak to do any damage

[jsg361]

i'm pretty sure we didn't need science to find out which causes more damage. i mean come on, it's a baseball bat!

[TheBUrKeYy]

flip dat wud be a bit sore lol !!

[CBH621]

this show is so garbage

[GotMelky01]

he was not even a pro hockey or baseball player. imagine how much HIC a pro can generate. but i guess there is a reason you use baseball bats instead of hockey sticks in GTA.

[MrBennetzen]

Use hockey stick or baseball bat as a weapon= Be prepared to do hard time!

[cnev237930]

Who holds a hockey stick like that? Fucktard

[QuakersHockey12]

He didnt even hold the hockey stick right..ha.If he held it right he would gotten more power

[differentskater]

@QuakersHockey12 not only tht but Brashear was concussed from the hit, so how the hell did they work it out if a true case did have concussion?

[QuakersHockey12]

@differentskater ya..i remeber that too.All around a stick is more dangerous.

[SeineDudeheit]

he held the right hand wrong. whats wrong with that show? oO

[ferraccinicolas]

he shiyld have swung the hockey stick like te baseball at

[Kadets6]

He obvoulsy has never held a stick that big before. And he swong it soooo wrong

[StyleXstudios]

I wouldn't have ben suprised if he would have swung the baseballbat wrong..

[LightLink00]

they swung the stick wrong

[horton016]

the hockey stick hurts like a bitch

[1261adam]

if he properly two handed the dummy with a hockey stick, it would have been closer

[stei667]

@1261adam thats what i was thinking, no one would use a hockey stick as a weapon like that, i still think a baseball bat would win, but he would has two- handed it...

[Dickyuth]

they never said what flex the stick was either

[jackybee11]

The stick flexed like a bitch, while the dummies head remained as usual. admittedly though it would hurt being hit like that, but no where near as much as a full on swing.

[TimHowardII]

If the stick was slapped on it, so with the blade slapping on the head, it would hurt even less.

[Theo9874]

Typical American... doesn't know how to swing a hockey stick... Trust me with the length of a hockey stick and a full force swing you get inertia kicking in ... you DIE !

on top of that use a wooden hockey stick to compare to a wooden bat ... not a 85 Flex One piece

Dumb asses....

[dromezz]

shut the fuck up

[Theo9874]

@dromezz hahaha

[dromezz]

internet warriors down here hahaha

[dromezz]

its funny how people cant even comment without a dumbass saying his opinion

[Theo9874]

A Dumb ass with an opinion still counts as a comment...and its not that stupid of a comment you just don't like the fact that I'm targeting American's... but sorry man couldn't help myself from the truth

[dromezz]

umm i dont care if u talk bout americans even thou im one. i was saying u cant even comment without someone bitching at u

[sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf]

@Theo9874 so the hockey player who hit the guy while playing was playing with a wooden stick? probably not...

[hockeyboypk77]

should have gone tomahawk

[Roughwine]

This guy didnt even use the stick in a baseball bat motion, would of been a bigger difference if he used the stick like a swinging bat motion

[Kadets6]

This guy is a dumbass that isnt how you would swing a hockey stick at an opponent. youd go with both hands looking forward instead of one forward and one backwards

[elcanibal666]

This show is bullshit.

[cistaro56]

this was poorly done. learn how to swing a stick properly

[stangsgoalie31]

shoulda used a wood stick

[sgogins]

there is a reason why ppl believe this crap is most of the ppl that this "advertises" itself to, are mostly idiots.

[blakob13]

wow, if that sentence made any sense i would be offended

[elcanibal666]

LOL

[gavetine]

he should have held both of his hands at the end of the stick..

[yadrummer11]

wtf he swung that stick wrong

[scottcollins4]

should've used the stick like it was a long bat, he didnt hold it the right. stick would've been travelling faster if he had both hands on the handle..

[SniperShot891]

They should do Aluminum bat vs Wooden bat on the head and compare the results. I'd like to see that

[nk7792]

i highly doubt someone is going to take the correct stance grip and swing action when assulting someone witha bat or stick, he's holding them in the most likely way they would be held under teh circumstances which makes the information more accurate

[Tigrshark93]

This TV series is so flawed it's not even funny. How hard is it to do simple math? They say "The bat is nearly twice as heavy as the hockey stick" right after mentioning that the hockey stick is 21oz and the baseball bat is 33oz. Nice math.

[giftedboy9]

sharkdiesel...you're probably just a hockey fanatic who doesn't want to accept the fact that it's clearly obvious that a baseball bat will do more damage than a hockey stick regardless of the way you're holding it. And it's kind of common sense. A baseball bat it thicker and heavier. Even if you change the material of the hockey stick to metal...the baseball bat has a wider area of impact and damage and a more froceful swing...use your common sense andopen your eyes to reality.............O.O

[18kleb18]

you get more leverage with a hockey stick though. so yea if he held it like you are supposed to he would have knocked the dummies freaking head off.

[Tigrshark93]

do you even know what leverage is? Stop trying to act smart by using words you don't even know.

[18kleb18]

nice comeback since you know i'm right haha

[krny07]

so stupid the way he uses the hockey stick he might aswell punch the dummey

[coolcat973]

thats not how you hold a hockey stick but the bat would still be worse

[lilbrownteddybear]

i agree with the way he held the hockey stick if its that flexible holding it like that how flexible would it be holding it like the baseball bat ????? i would say a hell of a lot more flexible therefore less of a hit

[nasefect]

look r u guys serious, do u seriously think that a hockey stick would hurt more than a baseball bat?

[brickthegoalie]

I wonder what flex that hockey stick was, maybe they should have tried with something round 120 flex (as something that high is normally only seen in pro-stock equipment). And of cource what everyone else said about the way he swung the stick.

[fktheworld1]

these r some dum ass american scientists oviously they will make baseball win its there national sport this is stupid this aint even science bunch of stupid over weight americans

[lawrencetimmons94]

Are you fucking stupid? They said that hitting someone with a bat is a greater crime. Dumb piece of shit.

[sharkdiesel]

If the dude held and swung the hockey stick the same way he did the baseball bat, I will bet you my left nut that the damage would be equal if not more. That is if the hockey stick was made of the same hard wood as the bat. This comparison is way skewed.

[friendlee2007]

Hockey stick is more likely to cut and can knock you out but a baseball will just plain knock you the F out and most likely kill you if you just let someone take a free swing at you.

[Soccermaster54]

The way he held the stick was stupid. That's high sticking. You have to do a slash. High sticking is just poking them with the stick. Slashing is actually swinging like a baseball bat. The blade strikes the face, not the heel!

[Tigrshark93]

the bat wasn't swung correctly either. He had very little rotation of the hips, which is where most of swing's power comes from. He only used his arms.

[sweetswantonbombs]

trust me, ive been hit in the head with both of those things, the hockey stick doesnt seem like it would hurt but it hurts way worse than a baseball bat. my friend actually got high sticked in the eye in p.e. and had to get stitches.

[bighiyob]

i coulda told you a bat would be much worse.. i dont recall anyone ever been killed with a hockey stick to the head....

[tannertgf]

learn how to hold a stick when you hit someone

[btman]

yeah i know what were these people thinking?? and to ninjahata you only grip the stick like that on some faceoffs..

[OMFGpieissogood]

swing the hockey stick the same way you swang the bat

[essnaaaminnaa2007]

"If someone was totally made of evil" YAY CHRIS SIMON!

[ninjahata]

I think the idea behind the way he hits it with the hockey stick is that it is how one is likely to use a hockey stick in game, already gripping it in such a manner (for play) and bringing it up, as opposed to using it 100% as a weapon.

[dvsenjoi20]

yea man, thats not how you hold a hockey stick, hes holding it like you would take a faceoff. so this experiment is false.

[Sebastianscanes]

what a pussy swing, who would hold their stick like that

[italianobro]

yeah but hold the stick like ur holding the bat and hit him with the heel of the blade and then see what happens

[TheHYPO]

(continued)... but in general, from what I've seen, I have a bit of an issue with the way this series does experiments. It seems very unscientific in the way they compare two tests. For example; why test the rugby tackle on a human, but the football tackle on a dummy? Fefinite psychological (and physical difference). Poor use of scientific "control". Use the same player/dummy with and without pads! Or for testing punches, I'd like to see the heavyweight fighter tested with and without gloves.

[TheHYPO]

Yeah, the technique is one issue. If you wanted to hurt someone, you'd have your hands gripped closer together, so the end of the stick achieved a greater speed. This is more like a crosscheck but with the blade.

I also think that if you used a classic wooden stick (as used in many of the classic incidents), you'd obviously see less flex and greater injury.

Nevertheless, I think it's fairly obvious that a baseball bat will do more damage in almost any comparisson

[Ovechkin81]

I thought results would have much higher for the hockey stick had he swung it in a two-handed McSorley-type swing. I don't know any hockey player would slash like that lol.

[jagcardinals22]

wow isnt he wearing gloves and holding it normally not with the bottom hand facing the wrong way

[nbrilh05]

he slashes like a pussy

[AO93]

I play hockey, and it's basically common sense. You know the bat packs more force cause the stick is lighter and flexs and a baseball bat does/is neither one.

[dren0486]

its funny cause every hokey episode they make it look like a pussy sport lol only americans would hold a hockey stick like that! wat an idiot!

[HatebreedRaisedFist]

he swin hes hockey stick like a dummy you get much power if you swing your hands togheter

[raymur69]

this is stupid.. swing that stick like a baseball bat and do that stupid other thing with the bat, and see what happens...and mcsorley was an aluminum shaft with a wooden blade,probably weighs about twice as much as the one piece composite stick they were using, and just another thing, i know this thing isnt about what marty mcsorley did, and they are only doing general things, but macsorley is a big guy. and probably uses a very stiff stick

[inlonging]

why the heck was he holding the stick like that ???

[zellmer]

Because he said he was going to do it the "worst somebody could possibly do" Don't know why they didn't do it in a hammer motion for either though.

Anyways, this one was pretty bad, it's obvious a bat would do more for a hundred reasons.

[brodypluta]

i thought the same thing

[zdog360]

insted of a stick how about a golf club that wolud hurt i have a girlfriend who got hit in the head with a golf club u could see her skull kinda

[Daeron15]

i suppose you beated the shit out of the one responsible of hitting your girlfriend?

[zdog360]

no it was a mistake by her sister

[Daeron15]

LOL that sucks..

[newfoundlandmetal]

It's not the same though, for starters the stick cna be swung many different ways when used on the ice as a weapon. 2nd off alot of the guys doing this are alot bigger then he is (well in the NHL anyways) and 3rd the dont count the addreniline someone is pumping right before they do it. Everyone gets at least one real bad crack with a stick lol, i got in the neck once, i wasnt pleased and had to leave and the game spiting up blood

[jjm239]

Yeah I agree about the stick. He held it so that the results were frightfully skewed. They're going to swing that stick like a baseball bat, not like a martial arts weapon!

[BTrance]

So that's why stupid people use bats instead of sticks when they aren't enough brave to fight with their bare hands...

[Oxmustube]

Now i know why Holwig got up so quick when Simon slashed him in the jaw.

[RiverSiege]

Holy damn 2000g, there's a video of a guy named Rampage who does 3000g with body slam O_o

[newfoundlandmetal]

Quinton "rampage" Jackson is teh fuckin man!

[AznBoiBalla]

damm he flex the stick bad

[AznBoiBalla]

damm he flex the stick bad

[AznBoiBalla]

damm he flex the stick bad

[dex216sims]

That looks like it hurt, ALOT!!