40145 Cold Start

[arealdoozey]

there,s more smoke there than a snoop dogg concert

[singletrackmatt]

Why does it throw flames when it idles down?

[OnusofStrife]

This thing is real cold. Takes awhile to warm up too.

[xmasterT]

saw the flame at 2:35? :D

[sandimike]

1:55 when the turbo starts whistling :)

[Rainhill1829]

I am curious about one thing I seem to see with most English engines: what is the bell ring that sounds during cranking?

[D335Media]

@Rainhill1829 - That would be the fire bell.

[Rainhill1829]

@D335Media To warn of possibility of fire, or to those nearby that the engine is about to fire?

[D335Media]

@Rainhill1829 - The fire bell rings like a fire bell in a building would. If there's a fire in the engine room, the bell would ring. The bell usually tinkles a few times when the engine starts because of how everything is wired up, but when the engine is constantly being turned to get it fired up, the bell is still being rung as part of the starting circuit.

[bwrodczek]

donkey-engine

[goinghomesomeday1]

Throw her into third and give her a push.

[davidnash41]

Poor people that live in the flats nearby.

[doktorbimmer]

Great video! these things clag like no other. thanks for posting it

[michaelhpedersen]

I wonder why does it keep revvng is that the engineer or just the engine trying to run?

[OMBIC]

not a shit was given that day :) woot lol

[BADtimmay]

Wow, that sounds awesome !

[chromecross79]

i know this may be a stupid question but can these engines be retrofitted with glow plugs?

[trubin06]

How long does it take to warm it up?

[bahnfan96]

Like an old Tractor^^

[PhilBurtJPants]

I love eingines and lots of smoke! its soo cool :)

[bowepr]

I especially like the backfire. Any big diesel starts like that cold. 

[foxychen88]

Ich schreib bewusst auf Deutsch, obwohl ich Englisch perfekt beherrsche. Ich selbst hab Lokführer gelernt und einen Dieselmotor so derartig zu vergewaltigen, das geht bei uns nichtmal. Abgesehen davon ist die Belastung für die Umwelt nicht unerheblich. Es bleibt nur zu hoffen, dass dieses Land eines Tages mal vernünftig wird. Die Hoffnung hab ich allerdings verloren.

[1974JPK]

its a kind of musical!

[gamr4fun]

This would be no good here in Canada! Poor thing!

[rechelieu]

There is something beautiful about these old English diesels. They are not the pretties looking locos but they have a character. I love looking at them. American locos are not the prettiest either, but who said they need to be pretty. Nice engine.

[JUSTME8487]

That is a beautiful thing.... Just listen as it comes to life....5.1 Bose helps......

[marklandynut]

Its only running like this because the engine is cold and starting without preheat. once it warms up its clean as a whistle. Check out some of the videos of 40145 hauling trains and you won't see more than a light haze under load which is typical of any 1960's diesel engine from a locomotive right down to a car. If you have a diesel car, try starting it without the glowplugs and I'll bet it also runs lumpy and smokes a bit to start with.

[3DPeter]

@marklandynut

The engine is worn out, because the reason that it smokes so much when cold, is because of worn out piston rings. Now that's no problem, because as soon the engine warms up, the pistons will expand just enough to stop the oil blowing by the pistons, and then the smoking wil stop, and the engine can run for years like that, only it wil use a lot of oil, witch is cheaper than overhauling the engine.

[gregwddriver]

Now I know why the glaciers are receeding.

[Vetterjack85]

Icredible emissios. but i love big engines and the sound is wounderful.

[Rochenreiter]

If you do not have a volcano to cause a no-fly zone you take a vintage loco :-))

[251Aloha]

Wow hot video! Nice.

[icars98]

2:34

Shoot of flame!!!!!

[DarkDJ91]

It's Beautiful, like music to the ears!

[STEVIEKC221]

great video



[dastel01]

Great Vic. LOVE the flame at 2:36!!! nothing beats a diesel engine. everything about them is better in every way!!! :D

[dazxy2001]

Great vid, loving all the comments re the engine should have this and that yet I`d guess most of the people that have made such comments dont realize that the engine design goes way back to the 1940s with the 16SVT Mk1 that was in LMS 10000 and most of the technology hadnt been thought of back then

[MaRian040995]

what a smoke that makes a big polution

[normken]

I never heard a diesel engine back-firing in my life until now, also do all EE engines start on one cylinder? I'd love to hear an EMD engine from the same period starting.

I bet the guys in the TA Centre thought they were under gas attack lol !

[thamesbargeart]

Clagmungous! Brilliant! Many thanks for posting it.

[tomlestrange2]

This is beautiful loco and with great clag. Why people bother responding to a troll like florianska6 i cant understand, He / She have clearly missed the point of the clip.

[vorlonb3]

I can't be the only one thinking,come on old girl go go go!

[skodas]

why was it so smokie on that day poor houses behind and people

[florianska6]

I have been casigated before for my comments but this is an example of nonesence engineering.

No one would design anything to be so bad.

Cold conditions - don't make me laugh. The UK is rarely cold - just horribly damp.

Floriańska 6

[D335Media]

@florianska6 I've not been casigated before for my comments but this is DEFINATELY NOT an example of nonesence engineering.

IT'S 60S TECHNOLOGY YOU BURKE, no computer engineering to be seen, every diesel starts cold at some point in it's life..

Cold conditions - I won't make you laugh, because anything below 0 isn't cold at all is it? Trust me, it was cold, not that I was there (clearly).

What a knob.

[bigben5051]

@florianska6 I'd be very interested to know where you come from?

[D335Media]

@bigben5051 Poland - where it's always like -50 in temp.

[DC4916]

@D335Media Alright then: if the UK isn't cold enough, and you reckon Poland is, point us to a video of a diesel engine starting in your kind of cold. Personally I'd just like to see snow PROPERLY in certain parts of Australia where it does fall! For us, snow is rather a novelty, and very rarely do we see trains in it. :-(

[DonLollio]

@D335Media damn...colder than Greenland :/

[hostnottingham]

@florianska6...the reason it takes so long is that a lot of diesel locos were not fitted with a pre-heat/glowplug system, as they were not expected to be sat long enough to get cold. If it were fitted, it would just add weight to the loco.

[hostnottingham]

@florianska6...the reason it takes so long is that a lot of diesel locos were not fitted with a pre-heat/glowplug system, as they were not expected to be sat long enough to get cold. If it were fitted, it would just add weight to the loco.

I mean, it started didn't it :)

[nikoba14]

@florianska6 so at what point in the vid does the engine actually start up??

[iceniwarrior]

A Compression Ignition engine; must be raise cylinder air to around 200°C for ignition to take place.

A cold lump of metal surrounding the air means it’s a struggle to get it hot enough.

Here one cylinder ignites before the rest; it has the best injector giving good fuel atomisation.

Engine speed increases; heat from the firing cylinder reaches adjacent cylinders and more start to fire.

Water jacket heaters take the chill off aiding starting; but adds cost and rarely needed.

Cost vs saleability

[quiteobserver]

@florianska6 po chuj taki komentarz? jak się nie znasz to nie pisz. I dlatego dostałaś tyle minusów. Stary trup diesel tak będzie odpalać.

[bababooey7576]

@florianska6 You bloody idiot.  Go figure out the properties of diesel.

[IanCane]

When a diesel starts in very cold conditions, one cylinder tends to fire first, gives a little more momentun to the starter, and gradually, because of the increased speed, the others fire. However, all this time the injectors have been putting diesel into the cylinders which haven't fired. This is mainly thrown into the exhaust, and it will all get burt away. However, there is nno oxygen in the exhaust once all the cylinders are firing, so it comes out as smoke.

[Duckyistrippin]

@florianska6 Is EVERYONE from the uk a complete and utter fucking douche bag? Below freezing is plenty cold for a diesel. Last year it hit 1 degree F. Id say thats plenty cold. Now go back to being a pretend know it you self serving arrogant fucktard.

[TheSolidsnake41]

@ASS3464  its the turbos they got in them mate.

[themanfromwem]

mega clag, excellent

[TheBrett59]

like me on monday

[Aussie50]

Awesome engine Start!. blackening the sky with smoke and diesel vapor is the best way to stick it to these hybrid driving eco Nazi's :D

[Fabegdose]

Never seen such a bad cold start. Is this standard in UK?

[donnactrc]

The whistling you're hearing are the turbochargers winding up. If they had electronic common rail fuel injection, that white smoke at start up would just about disappear.

[TheCHARGER426]

I WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF YOU WOULD KINDLY LET ME KNOW WHERE I CAN GO TO SEE THESE AMAZING LOCOMOTIVES WORKING. THANK YOU.

[Schrotty81]

voll sauber die russbildung....

[DaddyTazZz]

Oh yeah... and over here in Germany we even have to put some Filters in the Car exhausts due to the air pollution..... ;-)

[yamahonkawazuki]

wonder how many batteries involved in this? ( starting)

[atsf3780]

WOW......EPA has their work cut out

[TheRoobo]

Soviet diesel loco starts immediately :)

[bluejay148]

that was cool

[choochinbigtime420]

NOOOOOOOICE!

[landini8550]

Did you see the flame at 2:35

[50cobra302]

pollution? anyone ever see a volcano erupt? greenpeace vs. nature?

[MDFusionVideo]

Why do all the idiots bang on about global warming and pollution.. You really think that the smoke the this video is going to make a huge difference? This is nothing compared to what aeroplanes put out and yeh its alright saying about electric traction, but where do you think electricity comes from? Oh yeh, mainly coal and oil. So shut up and engjoy the noise.

They have turbochargers not superchargers.

[flight2k5]

@MDFusionVideo or what about Volcanos and forest fires. They put out more pollution than anything man made.

[ASS3464]

Theses things like to whistle a lot, why do they whistle like that?

[D335Media]

@ASS3464 It's the turbocharger.

[tomlestrange2]

@ASS3464 the whistle is caused by the superchargers,

[tomlestrange2]

@ASS3464 The whistle is caused by the superchargers.

[mikeysj30]

@ASS3464 Simple- they don't know the words to the song. Electric locomotives hum for the same reason.

[123legodude]

this is just half the pollution problem in Europe. the other half is from departing the station

[starfighter5000]

This is brilliant,british engineering at it's best considering the technology is over 50 years old. These ignorant people with there clueless comments about pollution should wake up,what exactly do they think happens to all the gases that are burn't everyday from the millions of barrels of oil that are consumed worldwide?????

[stallonea8]

the maximum pollution

[alex534hotmail]

Global warming to the MAX Not Cool (:

[TheRolymo]

i love this video

[tramwayz]

That's my favourite "engine-start"-movie. Awesome.

[tramwayz]

Sounds like tracktor "Belarus"

[MrChebot]

Паровоз разтопить итого быстрее!

[britbiker100]

is this a steam loco

[tomlestrange2]

florianska6

please note this loco is over 60 years old. she is still running and is as capable as the day she was bulit. I dare say you wont be able to say that about many modern locos when they are 60 years old.

[tomlestrange2]

florianska6

please note this loco is over 60 years old. she is still running and i as capable as the day she was bulit. I dare say you wont be able to say that about many modern locos when they are 60 years old.

[florianska6]

This is awful.

I do not believe that this is normal or that the engines could have been so poorly designed to operate in this way.

This must be due to poor maintenance.

As a general comment, locomotive development should have gone from steam to electric traction and not this high polluting diesel- electric nonesense.

Bizarre when you remember that within 4 years of the end of steam traction, there was an oil crisis!!

Florianska6

[D335Media]

@florianska6 This locomotive is maintained to the highest possible standard, as it is a UK Mainline registered loco, meaning it has to be on top form 100% of the time. It it fails just 1 part of a fitness to run exam before a railtour, the loco is declared as unusable. Nothing gets by un-noticed. As I have said before, the technology is well into it's 60th year of operating, and I can CERTAINLY vouch for the freezing cold temperatures.

[ACTractionLTD]

@D335Media unlike a Western were the engine has to be preheated

[ACTractionLTD]

@florianska6  you must be an idiot

[NoJimmyNuts]

@florianska6 What you believe and what is reality are two separate things.

Bloody clueless railfans.

[rechelieu]

@NoJimmyNuts Listen, "Florian missed the point here. Of course, Poland is full of old Russian junk that will start in Siberian temperatures. It does not mean it is better than this. We have a lot of railfans in Poland who think that these old Russian behemoths are the best thing since sliced bread. I disagree. This loco has passed the test for the environment that it was created for. It does not need to defend itself.

[yamahonkawazuki]

@florianska6 i dont think theres an electric, that can pull the weight these thigns can. nor the transmission lines, or the third rails or other methods of power transmission in place. yet

[class37trash]

@florianska6 Yeah well its not as terrible as the crap cars put in the air.

[dontango1000]

Alter Falter. Ma gut, das ich so´ne Probleme nich mit mei Fahrrad hab.....;)

[1956MercM260]

Whoa! Any ether involved here?

[DieCastoms]

How common is the fire ball at 2:38?

I am JUST getting into sound in DCC. These videos make me want to get a similar loco to have sounds like these for startup!

I wonder if I could have two schemes in the decoder, one for a cold engine and one for a warm engine ;)

[paterson2311]

i see poison air!

[Zirkus95]

kann sein das die Kaputt ist ??

[sasatopola]

EURO 5 hahahaha

[tractorboydavidbrown]

@D335Media agreed the class 70 had to be sent back to crewe/ donny cos thet could not start at minus 1

[ASS3464]

@bobl78

Fuck you. 

[kodack10]

How can I ever explain to my wife how thrilling this is to watch. When the smoke rings are pupped out before cylinder pressure.....makes my hair tingle. :)

[bababooey7576]

@kodack10 No need to explain to anyone. Ihave this bookmarked and listen to its symphony often. tingle...yes.

[klotzfuhrer]

where is this place?

[nztransportgeography]

It's a pretty typical cold weather start up for stone age English electric technology. Every other manufacturer's gear starts up a lot smoother and cleaner under similar conditions.

[ASS3464]

@nztransportgeography

Go back to the fucking EPA! you suck.

[WhistlingTractor]

Wonder if that set off the smoke alarm in that house. Amazing!

[Aussie50]

@bobl78 lol you may as well be a greenie!., this is how all engines should be!

[JUSTME8487]

I Love it. I operate an electric train. Light Rail Salt Lake City Ut. things are not much better in the morning when its real cold. That is how I feel when I wake up at 3:30 am. too.....slow start, back fire, pissed off, Great Video...Thanks....

[spavatch]

1:52 - someone take the kettle off !!! ;)

[16csvt]

EE at its best

[6995133]

cant understand why they dont put heaters somehow circulating the water in the engine while its not running in the cold weather so it starts easier in the cold

[Aussie50]

@6995133 with that much rotating mass and bearing surfaces to be primed with oil, I feel slow start up is best

[Sachse00BlackEdition]

so much smoke and fire :D

[kibidk]

Sounds like an african tribe performing the raindance...

[zagork]

i always wondered where clouds came from

[mrspivvy]

this is probably why back in the day they used to leave locos running. too much hassle getting them going again

[ninodjay]

what about the next video??? Can U update it???

[dctdk]

il serais p-e due pour un piston neuf en arriere droite

[D335Media]

@teniszguru No, the Deltic was fitted to the Class 55. This is the EE16SVT.

[teniszguru]

Is this deltic engine?

[bababooey7576]

@bobl78 you wally. How about no computers running this? look at the age of it...brilliant id say.

[999skipper]

Nice flame at 2.36 !

[irwellsteam]

are all cold starts this spluttery?

[D335Media]

@irwellsteam Mostly aye.

ELR quality as standard =]

[bababooey7576]

@irwellsteam I sure hope so!! This is like an orgasm to the ears. eargasm? Frigin awesome to say the least!

[irwellsteam]

@bababooey7576 you won't catch me complaining

[bababooey7576]

@irwellsteam I have to check back here every couple of days just to hear it again! And, of course to see all that clag. one day im going to put this through my big ass stereo and shake my room and hopefully rattle some neighbours.

[willibill1]

Now that;s a cold start, You guys in England know how to do it.

[predatorfe]

Save the forests! LOL :D

[Xanderich]

did i see fire out of the exhaust then!!!

[Xenon3149]

Ah yes... the source of London Fog has finally been identified and captured on film... the mystery has finally been solved. Let's move on to Loch Ness shall we...!! All kidding aside, does this train have a deltic engine in it?

[D335Media]

@Xenon3149 Nope, the Class 40s were fitted with English Electric 16SVTs.

Class 55s were fitted with the Napier Deltics.

[Dirtboyindahouse]

insta-cloud

[RE1974]

Makes me want to become a train engineer seeing this. What a beautiful sound and sight.

[hackerliizyfer]

Flame at 2:35

[FragTheFragger]

Fun little tune this thing creates. Haha.

[1961ruud09]

Well have a sigar!! ha ha very nice vid...i like old diesels..greets Ruud

[airthreypark]

This is total class........wonder if anyone recorded it for their DCC sound model rail class 40?

[D335Media]

@airthreypark Does this not count? :P

You've got a hellfire layout by the way cheif

[tomlestrange2]

The Beast lives, Long live the beast

[GayBoyRunning]

There gos the Ozone layer o.O

[garyfromuk]

Flames!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thetickleninjas]

its like music

[willibill1]

Now, Thats one cold starting momma.

[ChiquitaRhB]

EOURO -5 :-D

[dilwich123]

Take that you namby pamby envoiroment plebs!

[realStrannik]

Движок говно

[lightcrusher]

Nice beat at the beginning... :)

[lightcrusher]

Nice beat!

[mutterschied]

No hen survived six miles around, sure!

[RianTrace84]

twisted firestarter!

[Alvedon500mg]

It smokes like from a college dorm on 4/20.

[halesworth01]

"Hello T.A i've just started up!" oh sorry i think they noticed and the rest of the town did as it became enveloped in a thick fog for the next half hour that decended on a nice sunny day!!! long live the BR diesel !!!!

[KVICALA71]

I do not want them as neighbors:))

[10mcguire1]

2:36 u can see fire

[kevleisa]

mint it was to expensive to use anti freeze so in cold weather they would be on idle for the night if on yard guess at todays fuel costs they would of been in shed

[HFbastler1]

2:35 notice the fire from the exhaust (with the black smoke)...

[moaardeeb]

super claggin!

[adamtorbayexpress]

Did anyone see a flame at 2:36 ?

[kravter80]

mozna pomyslec ze sie pali a dym puch puch chmurki :DD

[o56kid]

I know a 400 big cam cummins thatmokes that much ona cold cold morning ha haha

[pznerd]

Not sure why'd they would have that thing shut off overnight during the winter. Unless it had problems etc. Most diesels either idle overnight, or they have a secondary engine that runs (very small) that just keeps the fluids moving and generates a little bit of heat to keep things warm.

[D335Media]

@pznerd - It's a very costly way of keeping it going.. especially when seen as it's a preserved line, it wouldn't be attended to 24 hours a day.

The machine your talking about, over here is known as a Pre-Heater.

[pznerd]

@D335Media

Oh, yea I'm talking about Class 1 freight railroads over in the United States, most of their engines remain idled during the winter almost all the time.

[talktalkmodem]

its making smoke rings coool

[Opoefiets]

germans are and always were on a very hig level of technical knowledge because of education - remember the compressor in motorcycleracing and the profit of this nowadays - fuelinjection - and the jearking of the brits on this one - and believe it or not but the compressor became banned -

[Opoefiets]

after this they all join the world-war II - and believe it or not but they are still so fucking ignorant and stupid as in those days of their airpollution and still believe they rule the waves because all the empty - trash - cans make them win .... win what ?