Dogfights: P-51: Don Bryan is a stud

[siwaoasis1963]

The Me 109 K-4 had the DB 603L engine rated at 1,900-2000 HP.It gave it a 445-454 MPH performance. The late war production was getting ropey but the instability at high altitude was more due to some K's having 20 mm Mauser cannons gondaled under the wings. Another thing to realise is that the Me 109 K had been 'cleaned' up in its airframe and was possibly as 'slippery' as the P-51. They were about equal and what counted was pilot skill and luck in this encounter.

[AbortFlight]

I've got to try this in IL2 Sturmovik.

[Kataphraktoi]

A G-10 or G-14/AS probably, K-4 is not stable at high altitute because bad manufactured quility in late wartime period.

[TheRealHawkeye]

@Kataphraktoi No I interviewed Don Bryan, and he told me his P-51 was 445 mph because he had the head crew chief working on it. The G-10 was only 426 mph. It had to be a K, for they were 452.

[KnifeCalledLust24]

i wonder how the g forces must have felt like

[harlysorto217]

The cousin of the cobra maneuver.

[TheRealHawkeye]

Wow must have been a Bf-109 K

[thresher4]

@TheRealHawkeye Possibly the K model 109.Possibly might have been tweaked for added performance,like more maniford pressure,Added more or different

fuel injection.

[mrsmelzbad]

Wouldnt say Germans had a engineering edge.... B-17, B-29, C-47,P-51, M1Garand, Browning 50cal & 30cal, Thompson subgun, 1911 .45 pistol ,Higgins boats, USS Missouri... they all worked....... very well.

[junkyarddawg8]

Don Bryan is an American icon; an Ace fighter pilot. With 13 1/3 victories, only 90 American Aces of WWII have a higher total.

I've had the honor to work with LtCol Don Bryan in Sacramento, CA at a Northern California Friends of the American Fighter Aces Assoc Symposium. What a character ! ! ! Don was the life of the party and had our group laughing all weekend long.

[neverfearchrisishere]

Early models were under powered due to problems with the new engine the designed for it - when the later models were built it was a beast.

Noone can knock the germans for their engineering dominance in ww2. best battleship, best tanks and best planes - they just couldn't make enough of them to make it count.

[deathbybulletsmg42]

i love ur title man!!!!

[specter290]

ahahhah that guy seems like a really chill guy i cant believe he did that what stud ahhaha much respect don bryan!! if your not to old enough to go on youtube and read this then that aint to shabby!!

[mpgingdl]

The Bf-109 was supposedly inferior to the P-51D, Apparently, that Luftwaffe pilot never got the word. For Bryan, just getting out with his whole skin was enough.

[EvilxMerlin]

Depends on what model of 109. The late model G's and K's were quite capable....

[KGero478]

@EvilxMerlin Indeed they were. Only late models of the P51 like the H model could have matched or exceeded the 109G/Ks performance.

[EvilxMerlin]

@KGero478

Too many people think that the P-51 was the best fighter of the war. Too many people forget just how good German aeronautics were... don't get me wrong, the P-51 was a fine fighter, but the Germans had just as good, and in some cases (Fw 190 D9, Ta 152, etc) better.

[Mattebubben]

hmm i would like to Know the name of That Bf 109 Pilot =) he was 1 good Pilot

[RAWOLFE68]

a smart pilot will run if need be

 the winner of any dog fight is the one who lands& lives to tell about it i salute every ww2 pilot that fought just having the balls to fly in an uncertain sky at all the hero is made

[RockstarGabe2495]

i wonder how many g forces he pulled

[helpuff]

That guy is my grandpa and he is most definatly not a coward

[sparrowlt]

How easy is to write that while sitting confy behind your computer at home..

One of most important rules in dogfight , and is teached now: Survive! You are no use if you are dead

[hunkalov]

that easy is to say when you are  back home mate

[angryace13]

How dare you call this man a coward, you would probably piss your pants if you tried something like that, at high altitudes, at low airspeeds, in this situation, the mustangs rate of turn slips below the Messerschmitt a slight, if he had more airspeed, I can grantee, he could have faced that Messerschmitt and blown it to bits because the mustang has a much tighter turn, that move was genius and took a lot of guts, it wasnt coward us!

[angryace13]

dont listen to him, your grandpa was a brave man!

[specter290]

@helpuff ur grandpas cooltell him much respect for doing that shit from a randy at youtube.

[pen24]

I wish I could do that in IL-2.

[Scorpac]

i can

[Eurofighter19]

George Preddy was such an awesome pilot, too bad he died before the end of the war; at the rate he was getting kills probably he would had finished as America's top ace.

[Bodneyblue]

Yes, George Preddy was such an awesome pilot. Now before anyone says" John Meyer had more vic overall"..yes he did...but that included ground vic which wasn't counted in the title of ace.

At the time of Preddy's demise, he was well ahead of Meyer in victories. Meyer count up becuase Preddy has been killed. Then again..he wasn't able to surpase Preddys score because in Jan 45, Meyer was hurt bad in a car crash and missed the rest of the war.

[Bodneyblue]

Sorry about the spelling . My arthritis makes typing tricky.

[snubbies1111]

jeeeesus, hot dam thats interesting, im gonna see if they programmed that into Il-2 sturmovik, see if i can copy that move on that. il get back to u guys about it.

[ww2luv]

i love these series thank you

[lemonite1]

yeah, K model 'schmitt. badaaasss. great move though. i wonder who the German pilot was?

blue nose P51? 328th or 352nd? G Preddy

[Bodneyblue]

At the time, this is Capt.Donald S. Bryan.

of the 328th FS, 352nd FG. "The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney". Though not mentioned in this clip. Major.George Preddy commanded this mission. Only his second commanding the 328th FS after returning from leave in the US. He did shot down 1 E/A during the mission. When he was away, the P-51's had been fitted with the new K14 gunsight. Preddy was not able to do as well as he could of, because of lack of practice with the new sight.

[terryjohn]

looks like a k4 me 109.

[NVanWendy]

Maybe it was a later model or something; I Googled "P-51" images and couldn't find a one. One would think History Channel would do their research, after all.

[seksanbir]

The pilots mentioned that the ground crew had recently installed the mirrors on the Mustangs.  This was earlier in that episode.

[NVanWendy]

Thanks for clearing that up, seksanbir! So it was a "field modification," as they call it, then.

[Redeemedsinner17]

Why do they call ME-109 BF109 and what's the difference? I feel stupid asking this

[111841984]

ME stands for Messerschmitt, BF Bayerische Flugzeugwerke company

[Redeemedsinner17]

thank you

[sampusaf]

these companies are the same, "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke" was renamed into "Messerschmitt AG"

[NVanWendy]

What's with these two round rear view mirrors on "Dogfight" Mustangs? I've never seen that elsewhere; there's normally a single rectangular mirror centered above the windshield.

[Bodneyblue]

Your thinking of P47 mirrors.

The mirrors usually used on P51's were RAF Spitfire mirrors. Much prized by the US pilots. Major. George Preddy of the 352nd FG had 2 such mirrors on his last P-51.

[bentantilles]

that seems to be the crux of the manouevre, given that that's when the bf109 overshoots him. he then neutralises it in 1:28-1:29, as is described. but shouldn't the plane move differently if he really "threw the stick full forward"?

it's not a big problem; i'm just curious.

[bentantilles]

cool manoeuvre.

but does the clip EXACTLY show how the aircraft is supposed to move according don bryan's description?

if you "bury the stuck in your gut", you're really just tightening the turn. the rudder he said he hit will angle your plane downwards, like the clip suggests it does for a bit (1:25). but then when he's supposed to push the stick full forward, the plane looks like the stick's being pushed to the upper-left corner, because the plane dives and banks left (1:26).

[YouT00ber]

The torque from the prop that was mentioned may cause that effect, of course I don't know jack squat, so it's just a guess.

[Halofan11]

it works in IL2 sturmovik 1946, so i would say it definately happened like that

[terryjohn]

why 1946 and not il-2 1941 44.

TJ

[hopper1]

What Mr. Bryan did was something akin to a high speed stall mixed with a touch of snap roll. Pulling back on the stick rapidly put the aircraft into a stall and applying bottom rudder stood the tail up. The rest of it was just a stall recovery.

[ReggiesReply]

@bentantilles: Check out this vid: Dogfights: P-51: Richard Candelaria: uses same maneuver. The P-51 has a high speed stall, pull the stick in too tight & the laminar wing apparently presents a very flat angle of attack (little airflow over wing). Kick "bottom" rudder toward the low wing, which spins tail around at onset of stall; like skipping a flat rock on water? Then stick full forward, center right or left, to raise low wing or offset torque & a/c drops. Candelaria "fell" onto a 109's tail.

[pilotdave1000]

@bentantilles i know what you are saying but in aces high 2 i did it

[buckstarchaser]

@bentantilles I've only done this in an RC simulator mind you, but what he says is how it works. The stick to gut turns the rudder yaw into a twist that wrenches the plane over faster than using the ailerons. Then you immediately see that the stick to the gut completes the horizontal to vertical transition. There's now negligible wind over the wings so the motors torque rolls the body for the final part. Pushing the stick forward keeps from pushing the plane past vertical and completely stalling

[brenoribeiro2007]

@buckstarchaser Dude I wanna try this on a sky raider mach ii. Think you cold do a tutorial video with the flight sim? I see lots of people talking about it on forums, but no actual tutorial for it.

[thuval3]

WOW !!! that was an awesome move

[GeneralKenobiSIYE]

Was that a modified 109? Because the P-51 was better at speed and maneuverability.

[martinsuper73]

The 109 was as good as the pilot, the reason people said the P-51 outperformed it, is because the end of the war, the 109 was piloted by green airmen with little or no expierence. It was the best fighter to have started the war.

[TheRealHawkeye]

I say the only theory is the BF-109K4

[GeneralKenobiSIYE]

Even with the best pilots, the 109 had severe maneuvering short comings. Case in point. Candelaria, I think is his name, was an "average" American pilot in a p-51. He shot down a German flight leader as the German's squad watched.

[brainman]

The thing about this show is they NEVER distinguish what subtype of 109 is being fought. It makes a huge difference.

[GeneralKenobiSIYE]

I read up on the 109. I think hawkeye was right. It was probably a BF-109K4. Those were 109s on steroids.

[jairogut]

The p51 just had better speed, not maneuverability, they have the same wing loading (G14 - p51D) but the me 109 airfoil produced more lift coefficient (1.55 vs 1.25) and the me 109 had slats.. thats why it could turn tigher.. In the other hand the better power loading in the Me 109 G10-G14, K4 and G6 (when the G6 wasnt fitted with extra cannons) allowed him to climb faster until 24k feet (because the supercharger was better in the merlin engine)

[Halofan11]

dang what an awesome move

[terryjohn]

prob exsperten. german was.

tezz

[Raywollesenfortes]

Sweet! Creativity in the air can get you away out of a sticky situation. Neat move right there. Hats off to Mr. Bryan!

[gtaraya]

omoshiori-nee!

[pablolopez26]

Man, this was the best episode of dogfights i have ever seen! That move was SICK!! And i love the BF/Me 109's!

That pilot got OWNED!

[megatwingo]

You´ve posted exactly the same posting in the thread of another video, pablolopez. Are you spamming everywhere arround with your "owned" kindergarten language?

Why oh why hasn´t YouTube no age limits for posting here?

[gamefox120]

I wonder if thats possible to do in a simulator?

[newfiekingpin]

what espoid is this from

[YouT00ber]

From the "P-51" episode. History channel snuck about 4 or 5 new episodes in a week or two ago...

[newfiekingpin]

ic i was looking for new one and the only 1 i seen come on over the last little wile were the 2 that u put on here

[YouT00ber]

This episode is probably one of their best ones.  I'll be putting up a few more clips from it

[newfiekingpin]

k cool thats goods thanks its hard to find new 1 on here now and i dont get the channel that it come on we only get older 1