The fact that people think "Noah's Ark" is factual makes me laugh. Yeah, a man built a massive wooden boat and somehow traveled the world and put 2 of every animal on it, and then the cruel God decided to drown all the unlucky left over animals while the animals on this boat survived and happened to not eat each other the whole time.... yeah but Evolution?!?! That's sooo unbelievable!
The Ark has been told in different versions and by different people even before the Bible was written. And the thing about raining in 30 days and 30 nights is happening almost evey year in rain forests.
In the oldest writing language in the world, Sumerian, it tells of beings known as the Annunaki who decended from the skies and created man in their own image.
The Bible is a rip off of Sumerian and I'd rather believe the oldest writings in the world, than some fairytale.
@toby099: There was a catastrophic flood in the Middle East toward the end of the Last Ice Age, called the Black Sea Flood. Some say that was the inspiration.
I believe that all Legends have a basis in fact... However, I do not believe in the Sunday School intrepretation of Noah's Ark. Since the story originated with the Sumerians, and that they were the first established civilization, they might've been recalling the climatic changes that took place at the end of the last ice Age.
it was two of everything unclean and seven of everything clean! you know the 1st "structure" that is shown is not that of Noah's Ark, it is a kind of boat but was recently placed there it was said many years ago piece by piece. now the 2nd "structure" would be better fit as Noah's Ark, after the time that has passed it would be safe to say that the boat would not be in tact! what would be left is the bottom fram, not the whole thing. yes this is I would say Noah's Ark..
@thetalkingllamablog you should understand that the way the mountain(s) and the land was that long ago has changed to what you see today! over time all land formations change. it was not what it is today.
@childrenfromabove You should understand that mountain formations take more than a few thousand years to form. The bible account was not long enough ago for the landscape to have changed that drastically.
Keep this in mind during the stories in the Bible have been translated and re-translated time and again into multipul languages, if you want a scientific explination at the time of Noah the geography of the area was far different then it is today, Mt. Ararat at the time might have been hills or a plateau, not a mountain range.
what are the temperatures on mt Ararat? if its cold enough its feasible that it could be preserved. That Incan girl was very well preserved when she was found only because the temperatures at the top of the Andes mountains were cold enough to preserve her. but we're talking about Noah's Ark which is far older than the Incan girl so.....?
@Jantv81The Bible is created in a couple hundred years by multiple "prophets" can you be sure that these "prophets" are real? that they really heard the "voice" of god.
@DragonicaSin Sure. If they weren't real,then tell me oh expert who did? That's the problem I have with all atheists, they have something missing in their own life, and feel the need to criticize someone like myself who has their act together. I believe in God and his creation for a reason, and already know I will have eternal life. Noah sure is in Heaven.
@EddieHitler1000 Not that I know of. Keep in mind to the reason - I have a faith in something that to the naked eye cannot see- and the people represented in the Bible were called prophets who lived to serve God and wanted to do what was pleasing to him. By building the ark, God was telling Noah that I am not pleased with what is going on with my people. Therefore, I am sending a great flood to wipe out everything, but you Noah are my good servant. Take every kind of animal with you.
@EddieHitler1000 Not that I know of. Many countries back in the times of the Bible were not of the same name nor in the same place as they are today. Notice how the Bible primarily focuses on the Middle East.
@DragonicaSin Wrong! The Bible was written by PROPHETS who were created and served God and were able to tell the story of how he came to Earth in the form of Jesus. DId you know that there are historical records of Jesus's actual existence, besides as told to in the Bible?
@Jantv81 Why not? They made up gods and devils and talking snakes...in fact, thousands of fictional books are produced by man every day. Why wouldn't they have made up stories 2000 years ago? It's ridiculous to think they didn't. The imaginations of human beings is limitless and had been around for hundreds of thousands of years.
@Dayziecat if you take the bible with a pinch of salt (as must be taken all pieces of ancient written history - just take a look at battle numbers for instance which are overly exagerated in favour of the victors) it has remarkable historical factors which match non-religious books. then again that of course doesn't mean that all of it is true.
@polterzzzzzzzz You are correct, there are tidbits of factual historical incidents in the bible. But, as with all great fiction, there is always a bit of reality mixed in with the imaginary. It's natural for an author to weave details of current events into a story, because people are familiar with it and can relate to it on a personal level. Most definitely they were exaggerated though. Would the bible be the best selling book of all time if the stories were boring? lol
@Dayziecat That's your opinion. Of course, I don't take every thing in the Old Testament literally, only because much of it was rules given by God to the Israelits and Egyptians. I may be no expert, but I know that God is real... even Albert Einstein toward the end of his life had to admit that there had to be a greater supreme being that created the Earth and Universe. So, before you go criticizing my comments, I suggest you search your soul to discover the truth. GOD IS REAL. NO DOUBT.
i dont believe the ark sitting on the edge of a mountain....a turkish buisnessman finds it in 1906?...im sure it would have been discovered before then....its not found or documented till a child and his uncle sees it?,,,,i think the ark on the mountain is a replica someone built to honor the original ark......but i do think the ark is in the other spot under the ground......
Noah's Ark is not a myth. No story in the Bible is myth. Everything written in the Bible really happened. The Bible does not tell lies. God does not tell lies. It is very possible that the remains of Noah's Ark MAY be in Turkey, possibly at Mount Ararat.
@28804ecorrell You are 100% correct, because evolution also is complete bullshit and somehow every single species on the planet was shoved into noah's ark... cuz you know... the boat was like totally a primitive tardis, bigger on the inside than the out.
@Fyral and then you know, all the animals mated and had successful births and then kept mating with their own blood which didn't cause deformed or unwell spawn..
@28804ecorrell You stubbornly ignore the technology funnel. Religion were the only thing back then. If they saw something in the sky, they'd describe it as an angel, not an airplane or even a UFO. People aren't as foolish as they generally were back then. Today, we're not dumb beasts. We don't commit genocide. We don't force religion on others. The cult of dormant murderers and your power-hungry God makes up Christianity. The damn Illuminati could maintain a better world than you animals.
@Hikarilover123 Beliefs were the only existence back in history... Those witnessed by human beings such as back then may consider those that are more superior (more advance, technologically or intelligence) to be Gods.. So according to that, I wonder if those that believe in God is really a god walking on earth or something completely different...
@officalstelix there are so many legends and stories across many different cultures about a great flood to simply shrug it all off as coincidence or myth. the Hopi Indians, Egyptians, Ancient China, India even ancient Gaulic stories from Scotland, Ireland and Europe have a great flood story. something happend in the distant past that was immense in scale and it involved a flood of incredible proportions.
Sorry, but how Grand Canyon was formed is well known to science and has nothing to do with any floods. It is also a physical impossibility for such canyon to form in a flood. If you want to know why then study geology.
@Hobu123 lol, you really dont know anything do you? how does a river run up hill to cut the grove? how does sedimentry rock lay down totally flat over and over and over all the way to the top and in our generation its uneven? look up the uplift in the grand canyon, rivers dont run up hill, it was not cut by the flood, it was cut by a breach in huge lake which burst and cut that grove in a month or two. When you hear from geologists about this, please question their motives
I believe this..but wouldn't the ark be...like GONE after that many yrs? I mean..it cannot be just sitting somewhere completely in tact..cages, ladder and all?!?! right????
@xmanclyx: Depends, as we do not know how gopher wood would handle the weather over time. Plus how much did the pitch protect the wood? Did minerals enter the wood and petrify it? Completely intact, highly unlikely. Pieces remain, I can accept that. As we do find wood from other items, even in water. Do research yourself to seek the truth, don't rely on TV programs as most are propaganda.
@xtinerox8797 I agree...I seen what the asshole said..and it bafffles me that someone who doesn't believe in god or anything for that matter, is watching things about GOD!
Gosh I am so jealous !!!! I would love to be on this team !!! I would of been down that north side, to get my proof, and wouldnt have left until I got it....Has anything been discovered lately ?? Let's solve this. It would be wonderful...Peace Tisha :)
youtube is a place for people who always say there is no God but unfortunately, evidences that God exist is everywhere. my question is, to unbelievers, can you provide a solid proof that there is no God? i bet my bottom dollar you cant because your feeble minds cannot accept these facts and evidences that God exists. if you don't believe in God, how come you are so interested to prove he does not exist? i think your thoughts are lost and you just need God's attention.
Seriously- I belive all these stories- about biblical stuff- The very thought that it could be true is sooo exiting- btw- please check out my channel next week- I will post some very true, wordly, medical stuff about the CCSVI Liberatrion treatment for people with Multiple Sclerosis( MS).
God is so specific when it comes down to building instructions. hahaha... I can't believe that people have faith in such things. Religious people truly scare the hell out of me.
@ascencio11 If you like labels, I would say I'm a deist, in the sense that there could be nothing at all in the Universe, but then there's us having this conversation today. So I believe in god I guess. But I'm not a religious person and I think that worshiping a book, relics or fantasizing about finding Noah's Ark is rather childish. In my opinion, religions were made by humans, for humans. Finding an old boat would change nothing to that.
If "Noah's Ark" were to be found, it would probably be a catastrophe, because it would provide crazy religious nutcases with "proof" that the bible is real. I mean, they already think it's real with no proof, so can you even imagine???
I like the idea of the story as a morality play, but I worry about anyone who thinks an ark with lions, bears, cats, dogs, etc, etc, (who apparently didn't harm one another) actually existed the way it was described.
This is funny!! I have been close to there and I never seen a shape like that. Plus the drawing?? I have drawings of UFO are they really there?? Haha the whole arc thing it's just fake. There was a flood but not like in the bible. Can't believe it's 2011 and still believing in this??
04:07 "well sir why didn't you and your father come public about this at first sighting? we could of found by now?" : i don"t know" 05:11 " well sir why didn't you come public about this at first sighting? we could of found it by now" " i don't know" 08:21 "well sir why didn't you go further to investigate we could of found it by now" "i don't know" 10:51 "well sir why didn't you dig the entire sight and do some investigating we could of found it by now" "don't know"
@AntiFaithNY 1st off, I'm not trying to prove anything and I don't expect you to agree with what I believe. All I am asking is that you don't ridicule other people's opinions that you don't agree with. Why do you find that too much to ask?
@AntiFaithNY ......? It took a Catholic King to believe in him to finance his expedition. And one final note. I don't believe in "fairy tales" and I find that comment rather offensive. It's such a shame that with all your scientific background and education, it has not taught you to be considerate & respectful towards others and how to behave in a mature manner. Maybe we should chalk that up to one of the failures of science.
@AntiFaithNY 1st off, you have never heard me put down anything or anyone so give that lecture to someone else. 2nd, I personally do not disparage science because I am well aware of how much it has improved people's lives. But your sarcasm is exactly what I was referring to when I said that you unfortunately don't have the maturity to respect what you fail to grasp. Need I remind you that so-called men of science were among those who well telling Columbus that the world was flat......
@AntiFaithNY Is it too much to ask that you show enough respect for what someone else believes not to put it down? Isn't that supposed to be a sign of maturity? No one is asking you to share their beliefs or agree with them; just not ridicule them. That's what 10-year-olds do. I would like to think that we're past that stage. Please don't prove me wrong on that score.
@jakeroot1 yeah man you know it's like the crazy luck, man can you tell 5 numbers man?, for to play you know lucky games please if you want it's like irish luck man, like when angelina jolie has her blues and is kinky and you are the only man in the bar, i mean hell man that's like crazy man
so plausible......c'mon, please, in African game reserves, they have been trying to save scores of lions,tigers etc, but have manifested health problems due to inbreeding, it doesn't work......ergo, you cannot at all rationally believe for one second that taking two of each animal would be suffice to pro-create generations of healthy specimens, if you think it's possible, you, yourself are most probably inbred.
If the Turkish governmest is so certain that Noah's Ark is in that green area, why won't they let people investigate the area in the snow? It just seems odd to me.
@shanat7 - Satan is the god of this wicked world system. The bible gives insight concerning spiritual matter. There are demonic beings that are assign to geological region and have influence of government. I believe that the Turkish government forbid this, because the demonic force that is behind that location has strongly suppress the truth from coming out. It would prove that the bible is the word of G-D.
@Tizmaole You just seen what was on that mountain. lol And yet, you still do not believe? Oh! well. Most people are like you. They see, hear, and yet, still do not believe. I guess it is hard to believe things you don't want to believe. I guess.
I always enjoy people who immediately put their blinders on as soon as they hear the word "Bible". Demanding proof as if they are somehow owed and explanation or worthy of one. They are usually the one's who demand other people earn their respect, as if their respect was worth earning. What a laugh.
@Imperialv5 you prefer they put their blinders on 24/7 and be dictated to their morality, truths, lives by a book and a corrupt church full of child molesters and perverts?
@jet44444 and how did he bring the DNA on the boat? and then in which scientific lab did he re-create all animals with his collected DNA samples? LOL do tell , do tell.
hey people believe what they want too but just pointing it out (not offending) it would be impossible for half of the events that occured, i mean science has proven that if it rained for 40 days and 40 nights it would NOT cover the entire faise of the earth and judging the weight of the sea craft it would have sunk if there was a flood anyways due to the crushing weight
they just said that there are 200 or more versions of this legend if all 200 of those legends happened at the same time then it would be more realistic there would be 200 boats world wide all carrying each species of theyre vacinity and preserving the multiculturalism of the world. it could not be true that only one family was on one boat there are many races un the world there would only be one if this were true that only one boat survived.
@Chillmatic869 They sad there are 200 versions of the flood story, not the arc. Only that many cultures have a story about a great flood, not unusual considering it's a natural phenomenon
The problem to finding this Noah's cruiser (which I think really exists) is very simple, folks: Have Al Gore fly over there and release one powerful blast of his unbelievable bullshit "global warming" hot air at the mountain and all the snow and ice would melt!!!...
I recall when I was a student, I took historical geology as an elective and my professor revealed that many geologists believe that a cataclysmic flood had indeed occurred thousands of years ago. No, they did not present this as proof of the Biblical account of Noah's Ark but given that the science of geology did not exist when the Bible was written, much less when the older versions were told, this "legend" may not be as far-fetched as many people think.
Let me guess - that "historical geology" was given in fundamentalist Bible school?
Claims that "many geologists believe cataclysmic flood thousands of years ago" is false. Your professor lied to you. Demand your education money back.
@Hobu123 What you just proved with your assinine comment is that you think you're funny but you're not. It is not just my professor that made this statement; there was an article about it in Time some years ago. So no, it is not false. Geological records show that such a flood may have occurred. They did not call it the flood of Noah, just that there was a flood. Open your mind son and you just may learn something.
@Hobu123 How about ScienceDaily (Sep. 10, 2007) "Marine Team Finds Surprising Evidence Supporting A Great Biblical Flood". And the Time article quoted other geologists also, not just theologians. So are you a geologist?
That article speaks about local flood in Mediterranean and Black Sea area, not a worldwide flood. As I said, bigger and smaller local floods existed in the past just like they do now.
ScienceDaily and Time are not peer reviewed scientific journals though.
@Hobu123 The article did not say that it was just a local flood either. It used the fact that the natural land barrier between the Mediterranean and Black Seas were flooded as evidence of a much larger flood. Scientific American also published an article regarding such a flood. Again, geologists are divided on the issue and no one has stated that it is 100% certain but that it is very possible.
No, the article spoke about the barrier separating Mediterranean and Black Sea being breached, causing flooding of the area.
From article; "There was no doubt that it was a fast flood -- one that covered an expanse four times the size of Israel." Four times the size of Israel is nothing compared to the size of Earth. And it doesn't mean that it was very deep either.
Geologists are not divided in any way in knowing that world wide flood did not exist.
@Hobu123 Regarding fossilization, it is clear that many organisms were buried both rapidly and catastrophically. Massive fossil graveyards speak of rapid burial and of specimens being washed into their final position by water, a lot of water. One alone could always be a local flood and some may indeed be so, but there are many of these around the world.
Again, I have read where many geologists agree that such a flood is possible and so do archaeologists. The trick is to keep an open mind.
If you have read some creationist sources, those are not scientific. There is absolutely zero evidence about any worldwide flood, although it would leave behind massive amounts of specific and easily recognizable features. Massive fossil graveyards are mostly places where fossils have been accumulating for a long time. Those fossils originate from different times, they do not have the same age. There are places where conditions favor fossilization and therefore fossils..
...accumulate into those areas. There is no need for any rapid massive burial for that to happen. Not to mention the fact that these fossils are tens or hundreds of millions of years old, therefore no recent flood plays any role in their formation.
>>>>>, I have read where many geologists agree that such a flood is possible
As I said - please give references to one peer reviewed scientific article where geologists speak about such total flood.
@Hobu123 These are not from creationist sources. I am not trying to "prove" that such a flood actually occurred. I am simply stating that there is enough evidence to suggest that it is possible. It really depends on how one chooses to interpret this evidence. But to say that there is "zero" evidence is not true. This is why I have stated that we need to keep an open mind. Otherwise all we're doing is looking down a deep well, see our own reflection and think we made a great discovery.
Actually its more correct to say that there is some evidence that suggests that the barrier between Mediterranean and Black Sea was breached and the area was flooded. Nothing more. It doesn't concern fossils that are much older, and it doesn't concern the rest of Earth. Extrapolating it would be unjustified. More precisely, the other areas lack such evidence, showing that such flood, if it happened, indeed was local event.
Scientists do keep open mind, however, unjustified extrapolations are unjustified. Especially considering the fact that there is no evidence about that Mediterranean flood extending beyind local area, and - whats even more important - there is evidence from other areas that shows clearly that those areas HAVE NOT been flooded. Do not forget to take into account THAT evidence because that evidence is in no way less important.
Maybe that Mediterranean flood was the source of biblical legends, however, it was only in those legends where it became "world-wide". It is important to remember here that for those ancient people the known world was very small. They had no idea how big Earth actually is. So their known world flooded and they thought that "whole world" has flooded.
@Hobu123 I disagree. There is evidence to suggest that the flood may have extended farther than just the Mediterranean. Anthropologists claim that many cultures all over the world have similar deluge stories, not empirical evidence but again it may hint at a possibility. The layer of strata found all over the world that contains the same types of elements represents another possibility. But as I said, it depends on how one interprets this evidence.
Many cultures have flood stories because flood happen in many parts of the world. It is not the same single flood, these are numerous different floods, and the stories also spread through contact between cultures.
@Hobu123 280 to 500 cultures from all over the world describe a SINGLE GLOBAL FLOOD that killed most people and animals and signaled the end of a world age. THOSE ARE NOT LOCAL FLOODS. And stories can only spread between cultures that were in contact with each other, not to disconnected cultures and continents. That's why though they all agree that there was a global flood, they have totally different stories as to how a remnant of people or animals survived it.
Your claim about "single global flood story" is exaggerated. First it is worth to mention that those flood stories only exist among nations that live in areas that HAVE natural floods, + the nations that come in contact with those nations. For example, my nation, living far from flooded areas, has no "global flood" stories in mythology.
Yes, those stories are about LOCAL FLOODS, because ancient people had absolutely NO IDEA how big the Earth is.
The relatively small area that those ancient tribes knew was flooded and from there came the legends of "world floods". Some nations have one such flood, some have several, and the stories are different.
Anyway, the STORIES are not important much. Numerous nations in the world also have stories of dragons, fairies, dwarves and other such creatures - do you think those all exist?
What counts is EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. That allows to know what floods existed and which ones did not.
@Hobu123 The universal flood story (singular) comes from all inhabited continents of the earth. They come from areas that have no floods and they come from areas that have many local floods, and yet they all speak of only a SINGLE universal flood. And they come from cultures that are NOT in contact with other cultures, and refer to a time a few thousand years ago. Lack of knowledge of the size of the earth has nothing to do with each cultures firsthand experience and memory of the event.
@Hobu123 In addition, the same cultures talk about the end of earlier world ages, such as the one before the flood when the world flipped over and became covered with ice. Again, a SINGLE event. We call it the ice age, when half the world was covered in ice and that has nothing to do with yearly snow falls which of course are common events to most cultures and don't trigger corroborating world wide stories. And it didn't take the ancient people knowing the size of the earth to tell us about it.
Exactly - SOME cultures. At the same time, other cultures speak about all kinds of other events that they think happened in the past. Some think this, some think that. Some think the world once flooded, some think there was big fire, some think there was ice - it has nothing much to do with the real geological events, it is just mythology, partly originating from local events but greatly exaggerated.
It is not true that all nations have single flood story. Some don't have any, some have several floods. Just like they have all kinds of other events as well.
Anyway, the mythology is irrelevant. It is the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE from reality that shows that such single flood never happened. It is a physical impossibility. THAT is important.
@Hobu123: Actually the evidence is there if one seeks (takes much research). A good one is the petrified trees standing upright all over the world (standing through the geological layers).
There are no petrified trees anywhere that stand through any geological layers that have age difference bigger than tens or maximum couple of hundred years. Such trees form simply when tree dies for example on river bank and remains standing and then river carries sediments around it. This is totally local process and doesn't involve any world floods.
@Hobu123: Do me a favor, re-read what you typed then think about it again. Draw it out if it helps. Remember, sediment layers at less than an inch per year. Avg tree is 40+ feet. So by your thoughts, the tree stood for over 200+ yrs and never dry rotted, fell over, etc. But stood and waited for the river to surround it with mud to petrify it. Or did the top of the tree continue to grow as the bottom petrified?
There are many places where sediments accumulate much much faster than inch per year. After all, the sediment layers around those petrified trees can be DATED and NOWHERE ON EARTH are the age differences between those layers bigger than few decaded or maximum couple of hundred years.
There are places in world where the same process is HAPPENING NOW - dead trees standing and being buried gradually.
Do you really believe that no scientist has ever studied those trees?
@Hobu123: It is not a matter of if they were studied nor not, but the evidence was not given forth. Just like the Smithsonian hides thousands of Native artifacts that prove we are the Tribe of Gad. Yet they hide them, keep them under lock n key. They are also the ones who destroyed many mounds, for they took ownership of each, stripped them, then sold them back as empty mounds. If you trust scientists to tell you the truth, then look at the recent global warming farce. Scientists caught lying.
@Hobu123 About standing buried trees. If you listen to the scientists, the trees go through layers that took a really long time to deposit. That's why the heavily biased website talkorigins tried to come up with an idiotic explanation of trees growing in a dark cave with a beam of sunlight shining through a hole where the tree eventually grows through the hole, and nonsense like that. If you are now trying to claim fast burial of the trees, then you're helping support a flood explanation.
@Hobu123 About standing buried trees. If you listen to the scientists, the trees go through layers that took a really long time to deposit. That's why the heavily biased website talkorigins tried to come up with an idiotic explanation of trees growing in a dark cave with a beam of sunlight shining through a hole where the tree eventually grows through the hole, and nonsense like that. If you are now trying to claim fast burial of the trees, then you're helping support a flood explanation.
If you are listening the SCIENTISTS then they confirm that these layers around those trees are NOT deposited over long time. The layers can be dated, as I said. No geologist anywhere in the world claims that all layers have been deposited over long time. That is a creationist fairytale.
Flood explanation - a periodic local flood on river banks that accumulates sediments.
BTW, TalkOrigins is "biased" towards giving you accurate scientific information and refuting creationist errors.
Your credibility suffers greatly when you need some absurd world-wide conspiracy of evil scientists to excuse the lack of facts and evidence to support your claims.
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>>>>>>Again, cultures that have no floods, nor live by a body of
>>>>>water, still mention a global flood
Nonsense. I am representative of one of such cultures and we have no such flood story.
Take on NON-PEERREVIEWED book from author whose specialty was in psychiatry and psychoanalysis and whose absurd claims about bio-geo-astronomy sciences have been widely rejected and refuted by all scientists from anywhere in the world, and at the same time ignore the hundreds of thousands of PEER REVIEWED scientific articles published by hundreds of thousands of professional biologists, geologists, astronomers.
And perhaps you should actually go and read what TalkOrigins really says about polystrate trees. Your "polystrate trees" argument was thoroughly demolished by CREATIONIST GEOLOGISTS already on 19th CENTURY.
@Hobu123 I already mentioned what I read on TalkOrigins about polystrate trees and how ridiculous it was. You don't agree with their theory so I don't know what you want. The explanation you gave doesn't match anything I've previously heard anywhere, which I guess is periodic overflowing of rivers over decades. It's hard to believe trees can continue to live when half buried. But of course like all things you ignore facts, such as a horizontal thrust which sheared the trees off at their bases.
First, what TalkOrigins says about polystrate trees is quite different from what you quoted. That is why I suggested you to go and actually read it. The explanation I gave you is actually also presented in TalkOrigins because that is the SCIENTIFIC explanation, based on analysing the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.
Second, NOTHING is ridiculous simply because YOU say so.
Third, as I said, we CAN SEE the same thing happening NOW in several places of the world. We SEE "polystrate trees" forming the same way as they did in the past. So it is YOU who is ignoring the facts and OBSERVABLE REALITY.
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>>>>>geologists claim everything is slow and takes a long time
Absurd and retarded lie that reflects your total lack of education even about the basics of geology science.
When EVIDENCE shows that something formed over long time then geologists claim it formed over long time. When EVIDENCE shows something formed quickly then geologists claim it formed quickly.
Seems you have still problems understanding the concept that in SCIENCE all claims are based on EVIDENCE. Neither geologists nor any other scientists simply claim something randomly - what they claim are CONCLUSIONS based on analysing the EVIDENCE.
>>>>So you are now claiming that the ice age is a made up fairy tale.
Never I said that ice age is fairytale. Quote me saying that ice age is fairytale. You ARE a liar.
What I said is that your classification of ages and their "ends" is a nonsensical one that no scientist uses. During history of Earth there have been MANY ice ages coming and going, some bigger, some smaller.
>>There are many cultures that don't have an ice age story either.
Yes, because the last ice age ended so long ago that no stories from those times have survived. It ended thousands of years before written history and human civilization. Also, ice age was a long event, not something that would cause a "story" about "ice".
>>>I'm not a religious fundmentalist, nor creationist
Then WHY exactly are you using retarded creationist arguments that have all been thoroughly refuted by scientists?
>>>>>because they're biased against catastrophism.
Ever wondered WHY they are "biased" against catastrophism? Could it be that scientists are against "catastrophism" because EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE from OBSERVABLE REALITY shows that "catastrophism" is wrong?
Scientists are also "biased" against flat Earth and geocentric universe. Ever wondered why?
The fact that people think "Noah's Ark" is factual makes me laugh. Yeah, a man built a massive wooden boat and somehow traveled the world and put 2 of every animal on it, and then the cruel God decided to drown all the unlucky left over animals while the animals on this boat survived and happened to not eat each other the whole time.... yeah but Evolution?!?! That's sooo unbelievable!
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Jantv81 3 days ago
The Ark has been told in different versions and by different people even before the Bible was written. And the thing about raining in 30 days and 30 nights is happening almost evey year in rain forests.
In the oldest writing language in the world, Sumerian, it tells of beings known as the Annunaki who decended from the skies and created man in their own image.
The Bible is a rip off of Sumerian and I'd rather believe the oldest writings in the world, than some fairytale.
Steelioss 1 week ago
@toby099: There was a catastrophic flood in the Middle East toward the end of the Last Ice Age, called the Black Sea Flood. Some say that was the inspiration.
agentofshield1 1 week ago
Bible = Garbage.
Kousaburo 3 weeks ago
I believe that all Legends have a basis in fact... However, I do not believe in the Sunday School intrepretation of Noah's Ark. Since the story originated with the Sumerians, and that they were the first established civilization, they might've been recalling the climatic changes that took place at the end of the last ice Age.
agentofshield1 3 weeks ago
@agentofshield1
yup they're all just legends recalling dramatic climate changes , its amazing these stories have lasted this long
toby099 2 weeks ago
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They took an entire expedition to Turkey, broke the law there, and THAT was the best picture they could get?!
silentiumestaureum93 3 weeks ago
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silentiumestaureum93 3 weeks ago
This is the dumbest case EVER. It's a myth, Stack says himself the story has been told time and time again in different religions.
ItBrandonSilver 1 month ago
i know the TRUTH you cant handle the TRUTH
MrProzacmilkshake 1 month ago
who put the latter there? there was a door no latter on the Ark? this is man made yes but recently made!!!
childrenfromabove 2 months ago
it was two of everything unclean and seven of everything clean! you know the 1st "structure" that is shown is not that of Noah's Ark, it is a kind of boat but was recently placed there it was said many years ago piece by piece. now the 2nd "structure" would be better fit as Noah's Ark, after the time that has passed it would be safe to say that the boat would not be in tact! what would be left is the bottom fram, not the whole thing. yes this is I would say Noah's Ark..
childrenfromabove 2 months ago
@childrenfromabove your an idiot thats your opinion like we care what u think
Felton321 1 month ago
But how did all the animals get off that mountain?
thetalkingllamablog 2 months ago in playlist unsolved mysteries strange legends
@thetalkingllamablog you should understand that the way the mountain(s) and the land was that long ago has changed to what you see today! over time all land formations change. it was not what it is today.
childrenfromabove 2 months ago
@childrenfromabove You should understand that mountain formations take more than a few thousand years to form. The bible account was not long enough ago for the landscape to have changed that drastically.
Dayziecat 1 week ago
@thetalkingllamablog
Keep this in mind during the stories in the Bible have been translated and re-translated time and again into multipul languages, if you want a scientific explination at the time of Noah the geography of the area was far different then it is today, Mt. Ararat at the time might have been hills or a plateau, not a mountain range.
snakes3425 1 month ago
Why, Why are we arguing about religion? Just watch and be happy, I mean really. It's a video.
feh2 2 months ago
what are the temperatures on mt Ararat? if its cold enough its feasible that it could be preserved. That Incan girl was very well preserved when she was found only because the temperatures at the top of the Andes mountains were cold enough to preserve her. but we're talking about Noah's Ark which is far older than the Incan girl so.....?
MyHistorygeek 2 months ago
hahaha yeah
issactattoo 2 months ago
Nonsense, it's just a fairy tale!
DroopSack 2 months ago
@DroopSack Yeah right. Like someone would make up something like the Bible. No, that's where you are wrong.
Jantv81 2 months ago
@Jantv81 the bible is created by HUMAN and not by god.
DragonicaSin 2 months ago
@DragonicaSin It was written by prophets who were inspired by God... therefore this makes it God's Word.
Jantv81 2 months ago
@Jantv81The Bible is created in a couple hundred years by multiple "prophets" can you be sure that these "prophets" are real? that they really heard the "voice" of god.
DragonicaSin 2 months ago
@DragonicaSin So far the prophecies in Revelation are coming true one by one. Only a few more to go.
AZstarwatcher 2 months ago
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@DragonicaSin Sure. If they weren't real,then tell me oh expert who did? That's the problem I have with all atheists, they have something missing in their own life, and feel the need to criticize someone like myself who has their act together. I believe in God and his creation for a reason, and already know I will have eternal life. Noah sure is in Heaven.
Jantv81 3 days ago
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@DragonicaSin There you go on again. Just because you have no faith doesn't mean you get to criticize mine.
Jantv81 3 days ago
@Jantv81 You seem to know about the Bible,did Noah discover Australia, i`m having real trouble with that one
EddieHitler1000 2 months ago
@EddieHitler1000 Not that I know of. Keep in mind to the reason - I have a faith in something that to the naked eye cannot see- and the people represented in the Bible were called prophets who lived to serve God and wanted to do what was pleasing to him. By building the ark, God was telling Noah that I am not pleased with what is going on with my people. Therefore, I am sending a great flood to wipe out everything, but you Noah are my good servant. Take every kind of animal with you.
Jantv81 2 months ago
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@EddieHitler1000 Not that I know of. Many countries back in the times of the Bible were not of the same name nor in the same place as they are today. Notice how the Bible primarily focuses on the Middle East.
Jantv81 3 days ago
@DragonicaSin Prophets!!!! These are holy people inspired by GOD. That's all you have to understand.
Jantv81 2 months ago
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@DragonicaSin Wrong! The Bible was written by PROPHETS who were created and served God and were able to tell the story of how he came to Earth in the form of Jesus. DId you know that there are historical records of Jesus's actual existence, besides as told to in the Bible?
Jantv81 3 days ago
@Jantv81 Why not? They made up gods and devils and talking snakes...in fact, thousands of fictional books are produced by man every day. Why wouldn't they have made up stories 2000 years ago? It's ridiculous to think they didn't. The imaginations of human beings is limitless and had been around for hundreds of thousands of years.
Dayziecat 1 week ago
@Dayziecat if you take the bible with a pinch of salt (as must be taken all pieces of ancient written history - just take a look at battle numbers for instance which are overly exagerated in favour of the victors) it has remarkable historical factors which match non-religious books. then again that of course doesn't mean that all of it is true.
polterzzzzzzzz 1 week ago
@polterzzzzzzzz You are correct, there are tidbits of factual historical incidents in the bible. But, as with all great fiction, there is always a bit of reality mixed in with the imaginary. It's natural for an author to weave details of current events into a story, because people are familiar with it and can relate to it on a personal level. Most definitely they were exaggerated though. Would the bible be the best selling book of all time if the stories were boring? lol
Dayziecat 1 week ago
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@Dayziecat That's your opinion. Of course, I don't take every thing in the Old Testament literally, only because much of it was rules given by God to the Israelits and Egyptians. I may be no expert, but I know that God is real... even Albert Einstein toward the end of his life had to admit that there had to be a greater supreme being that created the Earth and Universe. So, before you go criticizing my comments, I suggest you search your soul to discover the truth. GOD IS REAL. NO DOUBT.
Jantv81 3 days ago
@DroopSack
you will regret not believing
craqqer 2 months ago
@craqqer U pathetic twat, i pity u.
DroopSack 2 months ago
i dont believe the ark sitting on the edge of a mountain....a turkish buisnessman finds it in 1906?...im sure it would have been discovered before then....its not found or documented till a child and his uncle sees it?,,,,i think the ark on the mountain is a replica someone built to honor the original ark......but i do think the ark is in the other spot under the ground......
nightfall8228 2 months ago
The businessman, George Hagopian isn't Turkish. He was Armenian!!!! He lived in Turkey, but he was Armenian. :D
sbabe325 3 months ago
one of my favorite episodes just love robert stack narration
elchoya100 3 months ago
Why don't they, you know.... Dig it up and find out?
scottieman2 3 months ago
my ass!!! how bout 'unsolved mystery living in a whale '
carismatic10111 3 months ago
@carismatic10111 That's next weeks episode.
scottieman2 3 months ago
Noah's Ark is not a myth. No story in the Bible is myth. Everything written in the Bible really happened. The Bible does not tell lies. God does not tell lies. It is very possible that the remains of Noah's Ark MAY be in Turkey, possibly at Mount Ararat.
28804ecorrell 3 months ago
@28804ecorrell WHAHAHA! ;p yeah, keep on believing just because it is written!
NajaveraN 3 months ago
@28804ecorrell You are 100% correct, because evolution also is complete bullshit and somehow every single species on the planet was shoved into noah's ark... cuz you know... the boat was like totally a primitive tardis, bigger on the inside than the out.
Fyral 3 months ago
@Fyral and then you know, all the animals mated and had successful births and then kept mating with their own blood which didn't cause deformed or unwell spawn..
AlexxPie 3 months ago
@28804ecorrell You stubbornly ignore the technology funnel. Religion were the only thing back then. If they saw something in the sky, they'd describe it as an angel, not an airplane or even a UFO. People aren't as foolish as they generally were back then. Today, we're not dumb beasts. We don't commit genocide. We don't force religion on others. The cult of dormant murderers and your power-hungry God makes up Christianity. The damn Illuminati could maintain a better world than you animals.
Hikarilover123 3 months ago
@Hikarilover123 Beliefs were the only existence back in history... Those witnessed by human beings such as back then may consider those that are more superior (more advance, technologically or intelligence) to be Gods.. So according to that, I wonder if those that believe in God is really a god walking on earth or something completely different...
darknessb930 3 months ago
@28804ecorrell gods a poof and jesus is a cross dresser
sagobra 3 months ago
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GridironKing76 3 months ago
@sagobra I am not a cross dresser and just because i fucked my own mother(Mary)doesn`t mean i am a sexual deviant or a shirt lifter,but i forgive you
EddieHitler1000 2 months ago
i thought noah's ark was just a myth story o.O ...
officalstelix 4 months ago
@officalstelix there are so many legends and stories across many different cultures about a great flood to simply shrug it all off as coincidence or myth. the Hopi Indians, Egyptians, Ancient China, India even ancient Gaulic stories from Scotland, Ireland and Europe have a great flood story. something happend in the distant past that was immense in scale and it involved a flood of incredible proportions.
legendarytoyou 4 months ago
If god washed the worlds evil and corruption out with a flood. Then I think its time for another one don't you agree.
ZAPPSOFT 4 months ago
@Junriel1
Sorry, but how Grand Canyon was formed is well known to science and has nothing to do with any floods. It is also a physical impossibility for such canyon to form in a flood. If you want to know why then study geology.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 lol, you really dont know anything do you? how does a river run up hill to cut the grove? how does sedimentry rock lay down totally flat over and over and over all the way to the top and in our generation its uneven? look up the uplift in the grand canyon, rivers dont run up hill, it was not cut by the flood, it was cut by a breach in huge lake which burst and cut that grove in a month or two. When you hear from geologists about this, please question their motives
chezz565 4 months ago
@chezz565
From where exactly have you got the idea that river flows uphill? The elevations in Grand Canyon are decreasing along its length.
And what about the "uneven" sediments?
You should really question the motives of any bunch of people who claim that all 21st century science is wrong or conspiracy.
Hobu123 4 months ago
I believe this..but wouldn't the ark be...like GONE after that many yrs? I mean..it cannot be just sitting somewhere completely in tact..cages, ladder and all?!?! right????
xmanclyx 5 months ago
@xmanclyx: Depends, as we do not know how gopher wood would handle the weather over time. Plus how much did the pitch protect the wood? Did minerals enter the wood and petrify it? Completely intact, highly unlikely. Pieces remain, I can accept that. As we do find wood from other items, even in water. Do research yourself to seek the truth, don't rely on TV programs as most are propaganda.
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
@xtinerox8797 I agree...I seen what the asshole said..and it bafffles me that someone who doesn't believe in god or anything for that matter, is watching things about GOD!
xmanclyx 5 months ago
Even back when I was a catholic I could never buy into the Noah's Ark story. Its so ridiculous.
loner1878 5 months ago
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@AntiFaithNY All I can say is Wow.......It's gonna be soooo interesting to see what happens to you when the SHTF !!!!!! LMAO...
MyTbradley 5 months ago
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MyTbradley 5 months ago
Gosh I am so jealous !!!! I would love to be on this team !!! I would of been down that north side, to get my proof, and wouldnt have left until I got it....Has anything been discovered lately ?? Let's solve this. It would be wonderful...Peace Tisha :)
MyTbradley 5 months ago
youtube is a place for people who always say there is no God but unfortunately, evidences that God exist is everywhere. my question is, to unbelievers, can you provide a solid proof that there is no God? i bet my bottom dollar you cant because your feeble minds cannot accept these facts and evidences that God exists. if you don't believe in God, how come you are so interested to prove he does not exist? i think your thoughts are lost and you just need God's attention.
MrsFuller01 5 months ago
@MrsFuller01
The burden of proof is on believers as they are making the claim that your god is real. But all you can produce are feeble minded excuses.
loner1878 5 months ago
The government will probably cover it up like UFO's....hopefully they don't....I really wanna see Noah's Ark discovered
goe5 5 months ago
it makes me crazy-all these unexplained things- and each one has just one grainy, blurry photo
k3digichaos 5 months ago
Seriously- I belive all these stories- about biblical stuff- The very thought that it could be true is sooo exiting- btw- please check out my channel next week- I will post some very true, wordly, medical stuff about the CCSVI Liberatrion treatment for people with Multiple Sclerosis( MS).
sasa75light 6 months ago
if noah's ark is really there then why the fuck arent we getting it?
yourmothersfuckinass 6 months ago
@AntiFaithNY isn't what and
flyinv1967 6 months ago
God is so specific when it comes down to building instructions. hahaha... I can't believe that people have faith in such things. Religious people truly scare the hell out of me.
pouelchnu 6 months ago
@pouelchnu So are u an athiest?
ascencio11 6 months ago
@ascencio11 If you like labels, I would say I'm a deist, in the sense that there could be nothing at all in the Universe, but then there's us having this conversation today. So I believe in god I guess. But I'm not a religious person and I think that worshiping a book, relics or fantasizing about finding Noah's Ark is rather childish. In my opinion, religions were made by humans, for humans. Finding an old boat would change nothing to that.
pouelchnu 6 months ago
This is so stupid.
You need at least 50 members of a species to have enough genetic diversity to ensure survival. Two of each won't cut it.
loner1878 6 months ago
If "Noah's Ark" were to be found, it would probably be a catastrophe, because it would provide crazy religious nutcases with "proof" that the bible is real. I mean, they already think it's real with no proof, so can you even imagine???
I like the idea of the story as a morality play, but I worry about anyone who thinks an ark with lions, bears, cats, dogs, etc, etc, (who apparently didn't harm one another) actually existed the way it was described.
mlc2005 6 months ago
I wish one day politicians and governments would just put their differences aside and let the archaeologists dig up the sites.
It would be super fun for a kid to run around Noah's Ark :P
Minion066 6 months ago
This is funny!! I have been close to there and I never seen a shape like that. Plus the drawing?? I have drawings of UFO are they really there?? Haha the whole arc thing it's just fake. There was a flood but not like in the bible. Can't believe it's 2011 and still believing in this??
montyhades 6 months ago
funny one picture is taken from 300 yards away...
k3digichaos 6 months ago
04:07 "well sir why didn't you and your father come public about this at first sighting? we could of found by now?" : i don"t know" 05:11 " well sir why didn't you come public about this at first sighting? we could of found it by now" " i don't know" 08:21 "well sir why didn't you go further to investigate we could of found it by now" "i don't know" 10:51 "well sir why didn't you dig the entire sight and do some investigating we could of found it by now" "don't know"
HrDthereviewer 6 months ago
Maybe this is the real reason the US is in Iraq... Hitler was also after the great holy artifacts...
phubans 6 months ago
@AntiFaithNY 1st off, I'm not trying to prove anything and I don't expect you to agree with what I believe. All I am asking is that you don't ridicule other people's opinions that you don't agree with. Why do you find that too much to ask?
childofthemarshalsea 7 months ago
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@AntiFaithNY "Which one of us is the child here?" I would say you are since the more you speak, the more immature you sound.
childofthemarshalsea 7 months ago
@AntiFaithNY ......? It took a Catholic King to believe in him to finance his expedition. And one final note. I don't believe in "fairy tales" and I find that comment rather offensive. It's such a shame that with all your scientific background and education, it has not taught you to be considerate & respectful towards others and how to behave in a mature manner. Maybe we should chalk that up to one of the failures of science.
childofthemarshalsea 7 months ago
@AntiFaithNY 1st off, you have never heard me put down anything or anyone so give that lecture to someone else. 2nd, I personally do not disparage science because I am well aware of how much it has improved people's lives. But your sarcasm is exactly what I was referring to when I said that you unfortunately don't have the maturity to respect what you fail to grasp. Need I remind you that so-called men of science were among those who well telling Columbus that the world was flat......
childofthemarshalsea 7 months ago
why wont they dig it up or sumthing?
nobodehh 7 months ago
@AntiFaithNY Is it too much to ask that you show enough respect for what someone else believes not to put it down? Isn't that supposed to be a sign of maturity? No one is asking you to share their beliefs or agree with them; just not ridicule them. That's what 10-year-olds do. I would like to think that we're past that stage. Please don't prove me wrong on that score.
childofthemarshalsea 7 months ago
Respond to this video... thanks in advance
Gottasos 8 months ago
@jakeroot1 yeah man you know it's like the crazy luck, man can you tell 5 numbers man?, for to play you know lucky games please if you want it's like irish luck man, like when angelina jolie has her blues and is kinky and you are the only man in the bar, i mean hell man that's like crazy man
Gottasos 8 months ago
1969...expedition launched to "prove it".........2011...still not found....hmmm
ThePearl2004 8 months ago
so plausible......c'mon, please, in African game reserves, they have been trying to save scores of lions,tigers etc, but have manifested health problems due to inbreeding, it doesn't work......ergo, you cannot at all rationally believe for one second that taking two of each animal would be suffice to pro-create generations of healthy specimens, if you think it's possible, you, yourself are most probably inbred.
ThePearl2004 8 months ago
If the Turkish governmest is so certain that Noah's Ark is in that green area, why won't they let people investigate the area in the snow? It just seems odd to me.
shanat7 8 months ago
@shanat7 - Satan is the god of this wicked world system. The bible gives insight concerning spiritual matter. There are demonic beings that are assign to geological region and have influence of government. I believe that the Turkish government forbid this, because the demonic force that is behind that location has strongly suppress the truth from coming out. It would prove that the bible is the word of G-D.
bokee00 8 months ago
@bokee00
get a life
gumdo666 8 months ago
I don't believe the tale of Noah's Ark for a second, but I'd still like to find out what's up on that mountain!
Tizmaole 9 months ago
@Tizmaole You just seen what was on that mountain. lol And yet, you still do not believe? Oh! well. Most people are like you. They see, hear, and yet, still do not believe. I guess it is hard to believe things you don't want to believe. I guess.
LanaV6 9 months ago
watch the arrivals!
pinball281 9 months ago
you know it is possable that there is more than one ark.
ZeroDoujinInfinite 9 months ago
the opening segment at 00:25 going from the host to the drawing of noahs ark gives me chills..
akuma4u 9 months ago
I always enjoy people who immediately put their blinders on as soon as they hear the word "Bible". Demanding proof as if they are somehow owed and explanation or worthy of one. They are usually the one's who demand other people earn their respect, as if their respect was worth earning. What a laugh.
Imperialv5 10 months ago 2
@Imperialv5 you prefer they put their blinders on 24/7 and be dictated to their morality, truths, lives by a book and a corrupt church full of child molesters and perverts?
fallon75 9 months ago
@jakeroot1 Maybe God gave you favor :)
veggieeater 10 months ago
Noah didnt bring the physical animals to the boat. It was the DNA of all living things.
jet44444 10 months ago
@jet44444 and how did he bring the DNA on the boat? and then in which scientific lab did he re-create all animals with his collected DNA samples? LOL do tell , do tell.
akuma4u 9 months ago
Of course its all nonsense. The bible is the biggest selling work of fiction ever written
dokkenratt 10 months ago
it's a duck billed platypus
cjms08 11 months ago
40 days and 40 nights was it monsoon season?
cjms08 11 months ago
hey people believe what they want too but just pointing it out (not offending) it would be impossible for half of the events that occured, i mean science has proven that if it rained for 40 days and 40 nights it would NOT cover the entire faise of the earth and judging the weight of the sea craft it would have sunk if there was a flood anyways due to the crushing weight
FUNFUNFUNATDAMALL 11 months ago
@FUNFUNFUNATDAMALL it cannot be tested.
urbman29 11 months ago
they just said that there are 200 or more versions of this legend if all 200 of those legends happened at the same time then it would be more realistic there would be 200 boats world wide all carrying each species of theyre vacinity and preserving the multiculturalism of the world. it could not be true that only one family was on one boat there are many races un the world there would only be one if this were true that only one boat survived.
Chillmatic869 11 months ago
@Chillmatic869 They sad there are 200 versions of the flood story, not the arc. Only that many cultures have a story about a great flood, not unusual considering it's a natural phenomenon
fallon75 9 months ago
symbolic morality tale- end of story
paulinovalerio 1 year ago
maybe theres more then just one ark
maybe theres more like 20 arks
mmoses 1 year ago
The problem to finding this Noah's cruiser (which I think really exists) is very simple, folks: Have Al Gore fly over there and release one powerful blast of his unbelievable bullshit "global warming" hot air at the mountain and all the snow and ice would melt!!!...
grumpypant 1 year ago
Georgia democratic republic? WTF? They can't even get simple facts straight.
vmelkon 1 year ago
Noah's Ark: God's reset button.
lollmao5 1 year ago 12
I recall when I was a student, I took historical geology as an elective and my professor revealed that many geologists believe that a cataclysmic flood had indeed occurred thousands of years ago. No, they did not present this as proof of the Biblical account of Noah's Ark but given that the science of geology did not exist when the Bible was written, much less when the older versions were told, this "legend" may not be as far-fetched as many people think.
childofthemarshalsea 1 year ago 4
@childofthemarshalsea
Let me guess - that "historical geology" was given in fundamentalist Bible school?
Claims that "many geologists believe cataclysmic flood thousands of years ago" is false. Your professor lied to you. Demand your education money back.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 What you just proved with your assinine comment is that you think you're funny but you're not. It is not just my professor that made this statement; there was an article about it in Time some years ago. So no, it is not false. Geological records show that such a flood may have occurred. They did not call it the flood of Noah, just that there was a flood. Open your mind son and you just may learn something.
childofthemarshalsea 5 months ago
@childofthemarshalsea
>>>>>Geological records show that such a flood may have occurred
Please give references to one scientific article published in peer reviewed scientifc journal that speaks about such flood.
Of course there have been numerous small local floods, just like there exists nowadays, but no worldwide flood.
Have you studied geology? I have.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 How about ScienceDaily (Sep. 10, 2007) "Marine Team Finds Surprising Evidence Supporting A Great Biblical Flood". And the Time article quoted other geologists also, not just theologians. So are you a geologist?
childofthemarshalsea 5 months ago
@childofthemarshalsea
That article speaks about local flood in Mediterranean and Black Sea area, not a worldwide flood. As I said, bigger and smaller local floods existed in the past just like they do now.
ScienceDaily and Time are not peer reviewed scientific journals though.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 The article did not say that it was just a local flood either. It used the fact that the natural land barrier between the Mediterranean and Black Seas were flooded as evidence of a much larger flood. Scientific American also published an article regarding such a flood. Again, geologists are divided on the issue and no one has stated that it is 100% certain but that it is very possible.
childofthemarshalsea 5 months ago
@childofthemarshalsea
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No, the article spoke about the barrier separating Mediterranean and Black Sea being breached, causing flooding of the area.
From article; "There was no doubt that it was a fast flood -- one that covered an expanse four times the size of Israel." Four times the size of Israel is nothing compared to the size of Earth. And it doesn't mean that it was very deep either.
Geologists are not divided in any way in knowing that world wide flood did not exist.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 It's obvious you want more evidence. So here it is.
If the Flood of Noah's day was a real historical event and was worldwide we would expect to find some or all of the following evidence on the earth:
Lots of sedimentary (water deposited) rock all over the earth.
Evidence through fossilization of rapid burial of millions of organisms in the above strata.
Sufficient water on the planet to 'do the job'.
childofthemarshalsea 5 months ago
@Hobu123 Regarding fossilization, it is clear that many organisms were buried both rapidly and catastrophically. Massive fossil graveyards speak of rapid burial and of specimens being washed into their final position by water, a lot of water. One alone could always be a local flood and some may indeed be so, but there are many of these around the world.
Again, I have read where many geologists agree that such a flood is possible and so do archaeologists. The trick is to keep an open mind.
childofthemarshalsea 5 months ago
@childofthemarshalsea
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If you have read some creationist sources, those are not scientific. There is absolutely zero evidence about any worldwide flood, although it would leave behind massive amounts of specific and easily recognizable features. Massive fossil graveyards are mostly places where fossils have been accumulating for a long time. Those fossils originate from different times, they do not have the same age. There are places where conditions favor fossilization and therefore fossils..
Hobu123 5 months ago
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...accumulate into those areas. There is no need for any rapid massive burial for that to happen. Not to mention the fact that these fossils are tens or hundreds of millions of years old, therefore no recent flood plays any role in their formation.
>>>>>, I have read where many geologists agree that such a flood is possible
As I said - please give references to one peer reviewed scientific article where geologists speak about such total flood.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 These are not from creationist sources. I am not trying to "prove" that such a flood actually occurred. I am simply stating that there is enough evidence to suggest that it is possible. It really depends on how one chooses to interpret this evidence. But to say that there is "zero" evidence is not true. This is why I have stated that we need to keep an open mind. Otherwise all we're doing is looking down a deep well, see our own reflection and think we made a great discovery.
childofthemarshalsea 5 months ago
@childofthemarshalsea
Actually its more correct to say that there is some evidence that suggests that the barrier between Mediterranean and Black Sea was breached and the area was flooded. Nothing more. It doesn't concern fossils that are much older, and it doesn't concern the rest of Earth. Extrapolating it would be unjustified. More precisely, the other areas lack such evidence, showing that such flood, if it happened, indeed was local event.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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Scientists do keep open mind, however, unjustified extrapolations are unjustified. Especially considering the fact that there is no evidence about that Mediterranean flood extending beyind local area, and - whats even more important - there is evidence from other areas that shows clearly that those areas HAVE NOT been flooded. Do not forget to take into account THAT evidence because that evidence is in no way less important.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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Maybe that Mediterranean flood was the source of biblical legends, however, it was only in those legends where it became "world-wide". It is important to remember here that for those ancient people the known world was very small. They had no idea how big Earth actually is. So their known world flooded and they thought that "whole world" has flooded.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 I disagree. There is evidence to suggest that the flood may have extended farther than just the Mediterranean. Anthropologists claim that many cultures all over the world have similar deluge stories, not empirical evidence but again it may hint at a possibility. The layer of strata found all over the world that contains the same types of elements represents another possibility. But as I said, it depends on how one interprets this evidence.
childofthemarshalsea 5 months ago
@childofthemarshalsea
Many cultures have flood stories because flood happen in many parts of the world. It is not the same single flood, these are numerous different floods, and the stories also spread through contact between cultures.
What strata are you talking about?
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 280 to 500 cultures from all over the world describe a SINGLE GLOBAL FLOOD that killed most people and animals and signaled the end of a world age. THOSE ARE NOT LOCAL FLOODS. And stories can only spread between cultures that were in contact with each other, not to disconnected cultures and continents. That's why though they all agree that there was a global flood, they have totally different stories as to how a remnant of people or animals survived it.
Elhardt 5 months ago
@Elhardt
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Your claim about "single global flood story" is exaggerated. First it is worth to mention that those flood stories only exist among nations that live in areas that HAVE natural floods, + the nations that come in contact with those nations. For example, my nation, living far from flooded areas, has no "global flood" stories in mythology.
Yes, those stories are about LOCAL FLOODS, because ancient people had absolutely NO IDEA how big the Earth is.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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The relatively small area that those ancient tribes knew was flooded and from there came the legends of "world floods". Some nations have one such flood, some have several, and the stories are different.
Anyway, the STORIES are not important much. Numerous nations in the world also have stories of dragons, fairies, dwarves and other such creatures - do you think those all exist?
What counts is EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. That allows to know what floods existed and which ones did not.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 The universal flood story (singular) comes from all inhabited continents of the earth. They come from areas that have no floods and they come from areas that have many local floods, and yet they all speak of only a SINGLE universal flood. And they come from cultures that are NOT in contact with other cultures, and refer to a time a few thousand years ago. Lack of knowledge of the size of the earth has nothing to do with each cultures firsthand experience and memory of the event.
Elhardt 5 months ago
@Hobu123 In addition, the same cultures talk about the end of earlier world ages, such as the one before the flood when the world flipped over and became covered with ice. Again, a SINGLE event. We call it the ice age, when half the world was covered in ice and that has nothing to do with yearly snow falls which of course are common events to most cultures and don't trigger corroborating world wide stories. And it didn't take the ancient people knowing the size of the earth to tell us about it.
Elhardt 5 months ago
@Elhardt
Exactly - SOME cultures. At the same time, other cultures speak about all kinds of other events that they think happened in the past. Some think this, some think that. Some think the world once flooded, some think there was big fire, some think there was ice - it has nothing much to do with the real geological events, it is just mythology, partly originating from local events but greatly exaggerated.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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It is not true that all nations have single flood story. Some don't have any, some have several floods. Just like they have all kinds of other events as well.
Anyway, the mythology is irrelevant. It is the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE from reality that shows that such single flood never happened. It is a physical impossibility. THAT is important.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123: Actually the evidence is there if one seeks (takes much research). A good one is the petrified trees standing upright all over the world (standing through the geological layers).
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
@MinisterQuietBuck
There are no petrified trees anywhere that stand through any geological layers that have age difference bigger than tens or maximum couple of hundred years. Such trees form simply when tree dies for example on river bank and remains standing and then river carries sediments around it. This is totally local process and doesn't involve any world floods.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123: Do me a favor, re-read what you typed then think about it again. Draw it out if it helps. Remember, sediment layers at less than an inch per year. Avg tree is 40+ feet. So by your thoughts, the tree stood for over 200+ yrs and never dry rotted, fell over, etc. But stood and waited for the river to surround it with mud to petrify it. Or did the top of the tree continue to grow as the bottom petrified?
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
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There are many places where sediments accumulate much much faster than inch per year. After all, the sediment layers around those petrified trees can be DATED and NOWHERE ON EARTH are the age differences between those layers bigger than few decaded or maximum couple of hundred years.
There are places in world where the same process is HAPPENING NOW - dead trees standing and being buried gradually.
Do you really believe that no scientist has ever studied those trees?
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123: It is not a matter of if they were studied nor not, but the evidence was not given forth. Just like the Smithsonian hides thousands of Native artifacts that prove we are the Tribe of Gad. Yet they hide them, keep them under lock n key. They are also the ones who destroyed many mounds, for they took ownership of each, stripped them, then sold them back as empty mounds. If you trust scientists to tell you the truth, then look at the recent global warming farce. Scientists caught lying.
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
@Hobu123 About standing buried trees. If you listen to the scientists, the trees go through layers that took a really long time to deposit. That's why the heavily biased website talkorigins tried to come up with an idiotic explanation of trees growing in a dark cave with a beam of sunlight shining through a hole where the tree eventually grows through the hole, and nonsense like that. If you are now trying to claim fast burial of the trees, then you're helping support a flood explanation.
Elhardt 5 months ago
@Hobu123 About standing buried trees. If you listen to the scientists, the trees go through layers that took a really long time to deposit. That's why the heavily biased website talkorigins tried to come up with an idiotic explanation of trees growing in a dark cave with a beam of sunlight shining through a hole where the tree eventually grows through the hole, and nonsense like that. If you are now trying to claim fast burial of the trees, then you're helping support a flood explanation.
Elhardt 5 months ago
@Elhardt
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If you are listening the SCIENTISTS then they confirm that these layers around those trees are NOT deposited over long time. The layers can be dated, as I said. No geologist anywhere in the world claims that all layers have been deposited over long time. That is a creationist fairytale.
Flood explanation - a periodic local flood on river banks that accumulates sediments.
BTW, TalkOrigins is "biased" towards giving you accurate scientific information and refuting creationist errors.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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Global warming:
Please name me one case where climatologists have been caught "lying"?
And please, NOT that stolen emails nonsense again.
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>>>>>>There were several world ages.
Yeah, these are called Cambrium, Ordovicium, Silur and so on.
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>>>>>The first destroyed by fire, then next by ice, the next by flood.
This is a fairytale. Find me one peer reviewed scientific article about such events and ages.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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>>>>>but the evidence was not given forth.
Your credibility suffers greatly when you need some absurd world-wide conspiracy of evil scientists to excuse the lack of facts and evidence to support your claims.
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>>>>>>Again, cultures that have no floods, nor live by a body of
>>>>>water, still mention a global flood
Nonsense. I am representative of one of such cultures and we have no such flood story.
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Hobu123 5 months ago
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>>Velikovsky's Earth In Upheaval
Typical strategy of a religious fundmentalist.
Take on NON-PEERREVIEWED book from author whose specialty was in psychiatry and psychoanalysis and whose absurd claims about bio-geo-astronomy sciences have been widely rejected and refuted by all scientists from anywhere in the world, and at the same time ignore the hundreds of thousands of PEER REVIEWED scientific articles published by hundreds of thousands of professional biologists, geologists, astronomers.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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And perhaps you should actually go and read what TalkOrigins really says about polystrate trees. Your "polystrate trees" argument was thoroughly demolished by CREATIONIST GEOLOGISTS already on 19th CENTURY.
Hobu123 5 months ago
@Hobu123 I already mentioned what I read on TalkOrigins about polystrate trees and how ridiculous it was. You don't agree with their theory so I don't know what you want. The explanation you gave doesn't match anything I've previously heard anywhere, which I guess is periodic overflowing of rivers over decades. It's hard to believe trees can continue to live when half buried. But of course like all things you ignore facts, such as a horizontal thrust which sheared the trees off at their bases.
Elhardt 5 months ago
@Elhardt
First, what TalkOrigins says about polystrate trees is quite different from what you quoted. That is why I suggested you to go and actually read it. The explanation I gave you is actually also presented in TalkOrigins because that is the SCIENTIFIC explanation, based on analysing the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.
Second, NOTHING is ridiculous simply because YOU say so.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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Third, as I said, we CAN SEE the same thing happening NOW in several places of the world. We SEE "polystrate trees" forming the same way as they did in the past. So it is YOU who is ignoring the facts and OBSERVABLE REALITY.
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>>>>>geologists claim everything is slow and takes a long time
Absurd and retarded lie that reflects your total lack of education even about the basics of geology science.
Geologists claim what EVIDENCE SHOWS them.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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When EVIDENCE shows that something formed over long time then geologists claim it formed over long time. When EVIDENCE shows something formed quickly then geologists claim it formed quickly.
Seems you have still problems understanding the concept that in SCIENCE all claims are based on EVIDENCE. Neither geologists nor any other scientists simply claim something randomly - what they claim are CONCLUSIONS based on analysing the EVIDENCE.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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>>>>So you are now claiming that the ice age is a made up fairy tale.
Never I said that ice age is fairytale. Quote me saying that ice age is fairytale. You ARE a liar.
What I said is that your classification of ages and their "ends" is a nonsensical one that no scientist uses. During history of Earth there have been MANY ice ages coming and going, some bigger, some smaller.
Hobu123 5 months ago
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>>There are many cultures that don't have an ice age story either.
Yes, because the last ice age ended so long ago that no stories from those times have survived. It ended thousands of years before written history and human civilization. Also, ice age was a long event, not something that would cause a "story" about "ice".
>>>I'm not a religious fundmentalist, nor creationist
Then WHY exactly are you using retarded creationist arguments that have all been thoroughly refuted by scientists?
Hobu123 5 months ago
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>>>>>because they're biased against catastrophism.
Ever wondered WHY they are "biased" against catastrophism? Could it be that scientists are against "catastrophism" because EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE from OBSERVABLE REALITY shows that "catastrophism" is wrong?
Scientists are also "biased" against flat Earth and geocentric universe. Ever wondered why?
Hobu123 5 months ago