Chronic Pain, PTSD and CFS

[UltraLifeNLP]

I am really grateful for EFT. It helped me delete bucket loads of anxiety that made my CFS worse & a severe case of psychological reversal based on the belief that the world was a scary place. What it does is allow the energy to flow in the body properly so the body can undertake it's own natural healing processes. It's simple yet effective when done properly. If you tapped on yourself with no result at all then you didn't do it correctly. For the best effect see a licensed practitioner.

[TinaMWoodward]

Stop making these stupid video's there is no recovery for M.E. and your idea of tapping to ease the pain is ludicrous, my husband has tried it, absolutely rubbish, Stupid video's like this end up making the real person suffering M.E. feel worse, the stress that is caused by your idiotic promises..

[synapse131]

I don't think that having PTSD can cause the micro-seizure that causes all of the cognitive symptoms in M.E./CFS. Just because someone gets diagnosed with an illness does not necessarily mean that they have that illlness. 10-15% of people diagnosed with "CFS" (based on fatigue alone without any pain) do not have M.E./CFS acc. to Hyde who has found that most of these patients have missed cancer, heart disease, etc.

[VivianeOfAvalon]

To MilkyLicker:- The problem is mixing up Neuro ME with 'chronic fatigue'. ME is Neuro immune defined. There is harm in claiming that EFT can cure a WHO classified Neuro immune multisystem physcal disease. The Chief Medical Officer's Working Group said in its Report on ME in 2002 that ME should be given parity with Multiple Sclerosis and Motor Neurone Disease. EFT 'masters' are careless in their claims and uniformed about the medical facts about Mylagic Encephalomyelitis.

[VivianeOfAvalon]

The retrovirus family XMRV/MLV is now very strongly implicated in ME/CFS.

ME/CFS is overdiagnosed in the UK due to lax diagnostic criteria and the common confusion of ME/CFS with conditions that include fatigue, including burnout, overtraining syndrome, stress, depression and many conditions that include fatigue but are simply not ME/CFS.

EFT needs to clean up its act and stop claiming to treat/cure ME/CFS.

[VivianeOfAvalon]

You may not be aware that from the 1st November 2010 the UK will issue a lifetime ban on blood donations from people diagnosed with ME/CFS. Canada, New Zealand and Australia have already issued similar bans. ME/CFS is Neuro-immune.

The retrovirus family XMRV/MLV is now very strongly implicated in ME/CFS.

But ME is overdiagnosed in the UK due to lax diagnostic criteria and the common confusion of ME with conditions that include fatigue, including burnout, overtraining syndrome, depression.

[nese67]

bullshit

[Bluebottle83]

@nese67 too true, it's absolute bullshit

[mamahenrobin]

My daughter suffers from Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy, I will say this, one year of too many medications, at one point almost a drone.Wheelchair to slight limp, less meds more personal prayer , a pain specialist, who acknowledges her faith, she's still in pain.They are Neuropathic diseases, though relaxation, and non invasive therapies help manage pain, it does not cure it. Anyone whose experienced chronic pain understands, and will try anything to have a normal life. If it works, Praise God !

[FreeBritain1]

So whether or not it works and I will do my best to ensure it does, I am very thankful to all of the people concerned. They are offering 'free' help for people who in their desperation for relief are frequently scammed.

God bless everyone in this world who is 1) genuine and 2) continues to 'care'. May the goodness of Christ continue to reign. Amen

Anne

[FreeBritain1]

I think anyone with M.E. is happy to try almost anything.

I will try this and I'm thankful for Raven's kindness in sending me the information.

I've only practiced it once and I already feel different. I also flooded from my eyes afterwards, so there must have been some release? At the moment I am glowing and there's some change going on in my muscles. The pain is easing. I know I carry a lot of grief (loss) and I'll work on anything else as well.

So many try to scam and this help is free.

[denalidragonfly]

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation." —Herbert Spencer

Daily practice of FasterEFT (80pg manual NOT required) healed me from total disability of Fibromyalgia/Chronic Mono. I was skeptical but it didn't require my belief in order to work. This system works if you are willing to try it and practice it daily. Love & Peace

[OlgaRozanova]

The retrovirus XMRV is now implicated in ME. The origin and mode of XMRV transmission in human populations are key public health issues that National Cancer Institute scientists are now addressing. ME is a multisystem organic disabling, sometimes fatal disease, WHO classified Neurological since 1969. UK diagnostic criteria wrongly diagnoses on the presence of fatigue, so many have been misdiagnosed with ME. Many ME patents have died from ME direct in the UK, neglect of care or bullied to death

[OlgaRozanova]

You cannot cure a retrovirus with hypno-tapping. Burnnout, trauma, overtraining, anxiety, are not ME

Fact: Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME) is a Neuro Immune multisystem physical, sometimes fatal disease WHO classified physical neurological G93.3 since 1969.

Fact: The retrovirus XMRV is now implicated in ME.

Fact: People with ME are not allowed to give blood to the National Blood Bank.

Fact: UK Children and adults with ME have been subjected to wrongful institutional and medical abuse

[MilkyLicker3587]

@OlgaRozanova - You have your facts mixed up. XMRV was never proven to be a cause of CFS/ME. Until someone actually proves it or finds the definitive cause of CFS/ME, I say that it's best to keep an open mind. EFT could be complete nonsense, I can't say for sure, but it's entirely free and anyone can do it at home...no harm in trying it.

[kungfu2u2]

Like chiropractic, EFT is just an over-priced massage without the "happy ending." It might "work" in some freak cases, but that usually means that it wasn't chronic to begin with, but a temporary problem that resolved itself.

And of course they say "Voila-- IT WORKED!"

PTSD is a serious chronic problem, sometimes incurred over a long period of time, often in childhood. It can't be relieved by moving your eyes, someone tapping you etc. Real problems need real treatment, and this ain't it.

[viclewis23]

well, "this ain't it" may be true in your model of the world, but i am a survivor of severe, and i mean severe trauma, which i carried for 45 and 48 years. after 3 hours of tapping on these persistent and chronic traumas, they were gone. one of them has been gone without a trace for 3 years. the other has been GONE for about a year. i have been certified as an EFT practitioner since january. i have literally help people return from the brink of death. no this ain't "science." it is healing.

[natrulee1]

What's genuine about EFT and pure, there's no investment but your own self. Sure you can pay someone to do it, I suppose, but there is so much info. that teaches you to do it for your own self. So to me, there are no room for discredits....

[meow1964]

Did you go to a Rheumatologist? How many tender points were you diagnosed with?

[meow1964]

This is SOOOOOO FAKE!!!!

this woman is a fraud, go to Dr Devin Starlanyl site or aboutdotcom& look fibromyalgia to learn the REAL FACTS about fibro thats medically reviewed - written by MEDICAL DOCTORS!

or Web MD or arthritis society

[theirlinator]

wtf are you talking about meow? what oil? how do you know her experience of fibromyalgia? and what do you have against EFT? this is obviously a real testimony. ppl dont watch this video to learn the wikipedia symptoms of fibromyalgia but they watch it to see how effective EFT can be

[meow1964]

theirlinator - wtf are you talking about?

I have 20 yrs EXPERINCE with fibro - I KNOW fibro - EFT is FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!

BEST Fibro Book - "Fibromyalgia & Chronic Myofascial Pain Syndrome: A Survival Manual "

Go to Dr Devin Starlanyl or Web MD or arthritis society NOT wikipedia

[meow1964]

theirlinator - I dont doubt that she has emotional problems & maybe EFT might help for emotional problems but not for a real medical problem like Fibromyalgia which needs real medical help

[theirlinator]

emotions are tied in with physical issues quite strongly, something which conventional medicine has yet to accept. There's thousands of cases where EFT helped physical issues through releasing emotional ones, a lot of which were recorded on video. Back pain, headaches, arthritis, joint pains, eye problems (there was even an EFT study conducted eye vision improvement), more. for 20 years you obviously know a lot about fibro. What seems to cause it and what are the conventional treatments for it?

[theirlinator]

and man, you gotta be open to new shit as well. If theres thousands of EFT testimonies on emotional and physical healing, why would you just disregard the entire technique right away? do you have something invested in conventional therapy? are you afraid that complex physical issues could be so quickly cured with stuff like EFT and would mean that you wasted years of research for nothing? Whats the problem and why are you so quick to bash something that apparently works for so many people?

[meow1964]

theirlinator - The fact that you think EFT can CURE complex physical issues shows just how FAKE you are EFT is pure quackery plain and simple Next youre going to tell me you can CURE CANCER right?

[theirlinator]

i dunno meow - you're kind of taking extremes here.. theres plenty of other not so serious physical problems it does relieve partially or completely and for some reason you're oblivious to those. Read the case histories and watch some videos and see for yourself. but putting down an authentic testimony without even reading, trying, or understanding what you're putting down is bit ignorant. if you tried EFT and it didnt work for you thats a totally different story.

[meow1964]

theirlinator -YOU are the one taking things to extremes, EFT might reduce stress (if you believe in it - JUST LIKE ANY CULT) but testimonies are NOT medical PROOF of ANYTHING! You'll NEVER see a testimonial in a medical text book for a reason, they are FAKE! Only wishful hoping

Research your REAL problems on medically reviewed sites like web MD or About com

[kungfu2u2]

Agreed-- this is JUNK SCIENCE. EFT, EMDR and other treatments are NOT EFFECTIVE in most cases of PSTD.

Like faith-healing, snake-oil and other junk-science, they give false hope to victims in order to waste their time, money and grief.

[theirlinator]

emotional problems do cause physical ones. If you have chronic anxiety or PTSD day in day out, over some time, circulation will start being cut off to certain parts of the body, your muscles will be very tense, your brain deteriorates cuz of the cortisol.. stress is a very unhealthy thing. This can give rise to minor pains or spasms to serious physical issues if the anxiety isn't dealt with. EFT is just one way to relieve some of the deep emotional stuff so it doesnt tax the physical body anymor

[meow1964]

theirlinator - You have that backwards, REAL physical problems cause stress & depression/anxiety!

Try reading a text book for a change

[theirlinator]

lol meow go tell that to the millions of people who have anxiety disorders and depression but logically should be feeling great. Or the people with debilitating irrational phobias. Your emotions affect your logic, not the other way around. If your logic affected your emotions effectively, people wouldn't be depressed or wouldn't have PTSD. Thats why you have work with the emotions directly somehow - cuz once the bad feeling is gone like fear, logic changes too.

[theirlinator]

And the trigger for a mental/anxiety condition like PTSD isn't a "REAL physical problem" - its just perceived danger. You can develop it by FEELING just once in your life like you're in great danger, hopeless, and can die any second, even if you're you're actually safe and can suffer from PTSD after that for years. You don't think emotions affect your physical body? mild example -Have you ever been so pissed you got a headache, been depressed or feeling emotionally down that you felt exausted?

[dannybex]

Meow, it's unfortunate that people who often need these "out-there" type treatments, are the ones who refuse to open their minds to them. Forget EFT for a minute. Google Dr. John Sarno M.D. A medical doctor who has cured thousands of people with chronic back pain, fibro, etc., even people who had slipped discs. How? By helping them release their anger and rage that they didn't even know they had. People who were in pain for 20-30 years were pain free within weeks.

[covGuk]

dumb weak white bitch

[sunlite08]

.... wishing happiness and good health to everyone ... !!  and a huge thank you to gary for being such an enormous launching pad for energy psychology ......ciao

[meow1964]

This is SOOOOOO FAKE!!!!

this woman is a fraud, go to Dr Devin Starlanyl site or aboutdotcom& look fibromyalgia to learn the REAL FACTS about fibro for some REAL INFO

thats medically reviewed - written by MEDICAL DOCTORS!

[2008Raw2008]

you are uninformed and it shows

[meow1964]

2008Raw2008 - I've had fibro for 20 yrs & researched it for almost 20 yrs!!! I see from your site that you work with raw food but NOTHING about fibro SO whats your expertise NOT FIBRO!! Who's the one who's UNINFORMED? You have NOTHING to say

[2008Raw2008]

so, did you try EFT? it didn't work for you?

did you try eating a 100% raw vegan diet? I met a lady just last week who cured herself from FM, and is living a healthy, pain free life. the duration of your suffering is in no way an esteemable accomplilshment.

[standekoster]

look

th body has input processing an output

potato=>frying=>fries

so if you put some other input it may change but if you put like a raw vegan diet

vegan diet=>frying=>fried vegan diet

so its still fried

what EFT does its changes the proces

i relieved my little social anxiety

did the diet help it help you ?

[standekoster]

i was thinking about something else that time i misunderstood you

[sunlite08]

...it was frightening to realize that as i slowly went from bedridden, to on my feet , to starting to function, using EFT and substituting positive emotions for negativity caused by pain and fatigue, that i might have to give up my identity of being sick for years, plus my disability $ .....that fear kept me from truly getting well, until, using EFT again, i slowly substituted trust and faith for fear...

this 'slick' video does not begin to describe the process ....don't give up !! go slow!

[sunlite08]

....our thoughts, feelings, and attitudes can cause illnesses..... try EFT..... it's free!!

[sunlite08]

i started with 'freedom from fibromyalgia' by dr. nancy selfridge (found it in the library ).... where i learned about the 'mind-body' connection ....by reading and rereading each page and trying to retain even one sentence at a time ! (thick brain fog !) this book is a good place to start even if you don't complete the 'homework' that dr. nancy sets out in the book - - just to have the awareness that our thoughts (some subconsious)are at least contributing to, if not causing the illness...

[meow1964]

how many trigger points were you dignosed with?

[sunlite08]

by the time i was diagnosed, i could barely be touched, so every trigger point was diagnosed. i tried massage, but the therapist could only brush her hands over me. sitting for any length of time set off a flare up and when lying down, i couldn't tell the difference between the fibromyalgia pain and normal discomfort from staying in one position too long, so i often got frozen into one positon !! vicious vicious cycle...i feel so much for everyone dealing with fibro - it's horrible - yay eft..

[meow1964]

You didnt answer my question

How many TRIGGER POINTS do you have?

[sunlite08]

oh ! i answered down below - "every trigger point was diagnosed " i didn't count them ! - that was back in about '94 - and the fibro and ptsd just got worse from there - til i found nancys book in 2004 - and then eft in 2005 - i was sick for about15 years -are you asking me how many fibromyalgia trigger points i have now ? none !!

[meow1964]

sunlite08 - U obviously dont KNOW ANYTHING about FIBRO & NEVER HAD IT! That makes U a BIG FAKE! As I suspected when I watched ur video the first time ur just trying to sell ur SNAKE OIL! If u want to talk about an illness u should at least LEARN ABOUT IT!

[meow1964]

"every trigger point " is NOT a number you FAKE!!!! STOP trying to sell your SNAKE OIL!!!

[sunlite08]

.....at first some of the brain fog will slowly (key word being 'slowly') start to lift for brief periods ... and more self awareness will dawn ... and self appreciation... and a sense that you deserve all this time and attention .. then as your body chemistry starts to slowly shift .. solutions will 'appear' in your consiousness ..tiny at first, but if you gently act on them .. the breaks from the overwheming pain and thick brain fog will grow... ..and on and on.....

[sunlite08]

...then the 'woo woo' part ! as your vibration slowly raises.. your person will attract more teachers and possibilities ....slowly slowly ... sometimes one step forward and two steps back ... but if you're patient and don't give up in despair .. and are truly ready to heal ...amazing things will happen..

[sunlite08]

this video is 'slick' and gives the impression of an overnight wonder .. in fact .. it's a process and takes time ...sort of like an exercise program or yoga practice ....you might not see much results for the first 6 months or so ... and you might need help from a qualified practitioner ...plus there are many other incredible alternatives ....to mix and match with EFT.. for illnesses like ME, fibromyalgia, or ptsd.....it takes a long time... but the results are like a miracle.... !!

[Bluebottle83]

Anyone 'recovering' by these means never had the serious neurological illness M.E. in the first place.

[OUtsidethenine4eva]

@Bluebottle83 bull

[UltraLifeNLP]

@Bluebottle83 This may not be the case.

I suffered very severe, and yes medically diagnosed CFS for 17 years +, BTW there is still no test for CFS at this point. What helped me recover over a period of time, coming up to 2 years now, after spending around $80,000 on treatments, potions, lotions and all sorts of notions, was NLP, TLT and yes EFT. I'm around 85% better now (up from 10%) and am confident of a full recovery in 2012.

People who claim they can't be cured are always right.

[Bluebottle83]

@UltraLifeNLP yeah, you carry on selling your snake oil and insulting those sensible enough to see it for the crap it is

[whatsontv1234]

Well. I have PTSD, and I've heard that EFT works really well, but Id rather do EMDR because TFT seems to be adopted by bullshit hocus pocus folk... Like this.

[crewlla]

crap crap crap.........

[gnomes1998]

@crewlla I just hope that you tried it before saying such a thing

[crewlla]

@gnomes1998 this is just another way for people to say its all in your head. She was misdiagnosed. There is tests out there to find out if you do indeed suffer with a cronic illness. The tapping thing that she is discribing is the same as acupuncher wich at times easies the pain but it does not get rid of it. It has no cure, if it did dont you think the fibromyaliga comunity would be after it. I will continue to say its crap. untill a real doctor says there is a cure, these other things are crap

[JaycDryden]

@crewlla Checkout Eric Robins, MD

[edinida]

If you want to do EFT with power and confidence then get and watch the video series. I have done EFT for 10 years. For about 5 I just learned from the free texts, reading Gary's site, etc. Then I finally got 4 of the video series. All he had at the time.

Then my use of it took a quantum leap - as if Gary's competence and confidence transferred to me. You will have some results doing it incorrectly, but if you want more...

[taftodd]

I will post again when I have been working with EFT a bit longer. So far I find it helps quite a bit. I have CFIDS/ME, Fibro, PTSD am on two canes and have multiple emotional issues. Very much like this woman. I am getting some relief. Will post again when I've been using it more.

[sunlite08]

'painful process' - meaning - the fibromyalgia was very painful - not the EFT !! If it hurts to tap - try 'touch and breathe' -

[sunlite08]

I agree. This video was edited, and it accidently leaves the impression that it was easy to cure these illnesses with EFT. In fact it was a slow and painful process taking place over more than a year. It took alot of persistance, plus some gentle guidance from Rue Hass, a master EFT practitioner, plus instructions from Nancy Selfridges's book, "Freedom from Fibromyalgia", and of course, plus the free downloaded manual from Gary's website. Thank you to Nancy, Rue and Gary. It works !

[m60alpha]

Great Advice; Spinal-Injury/Fibromyalgia/Ray­nauds 23 Years; Medicated (Yes it Helps), But Everyone Is different With this obnoxious illness; false propoganda doesnt assist the disabiled. Morphed (Australia)