Countown Special Comment: The President Of Hypocrisy

[groenhagen]

It's so sad that there are moonbats who actually listen to this boob Olbermann.

[Hitman640509]

I'm not sure, but didn't Lincoln suspend Habeas Corpus? Olbermann called George Bush a greater threat to us than the terrorists for something his favorite president did?

[NephandiMan]

Is Lincoln Olbermann's favorite president? I'd be interested to see a source for that claim.

Meanwhile, for the sake of argument, let's assume it's true. However long the list of reasons Olbermann might have for making Lincoln his favorite president, I guarantee that suspending habeus corpus would not be anywhere on it.

[Hitman640509]

I heard him say on one of his countdowns, referring to Lincoln, "Our greatest president." Or something to that effect. In any case, I'm not sifting through all the episodes I've watched to find it.

It doesn't have to be the reason. I doubt there's a single person on this earth who holds Lincoln as his favorite president 'because' he suspended habeus corpus. The simple fact that he's bashing Bush for doing the same thing smells a little.

[kraigthorne]

You are corect

[dln3472]

Olberman is a beast...he was the man on Sportscenter and he's even more real now. Clownin' these uppity suits!

[groenhagen]

The sissy Olbermann has no evidence that Bush took a planted question. However, we have evidence that Hillary took planted questions last week in Iowa. The sissy Olbermann was silent about that.

[italstal07]

Save this country..vote for ron paul!!!

[Zile77]

Democraps approval rating is much worse, in fact it is less than half of president Bush's right now. Olberman is a talking buffoon!

What exactly did Nancy promise and what exactly has happened since dems got the majority? They've caved to Bush on everything because dems are emotional misfits and weak!!!

[Zile77]

This biased bastard has the gall to wear to a purple tie? He's not fooling anyone!

"To concede defeat _ as many leading Democrats now advocate _ would strengthen al-Qaida, empower Iran and other hostile powers in the Middle East, unleash a full-scale civil war in Iraq that could quite possibly provoke genocide there, and destabilize the entire region." -- Mitt Romney VOTE '08

[ksuhuh]

this is all orchestrated. do not believe what you see. look deeper at the foundation of the united states, the founders of the country.

[wildbeachhag]

Right on! I do however wish you wouldn't call Bkush 'Sir" He does not deserve my respect enough to have that title.

[anya49]

Right on Mr. Olbermann! But one thing, please quit calling Bush Sir. In order to be called sir in my book, you have to deserve it. And that scumbag deserves nothing but our contempt and of course, Impeachment.

[jperryam]

And not just impeachment, but conviction in the Senate, removal from office, prosecution to the full extent of American law and a date with the Hague, where he can save seats for Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Wolfowitz, Feith and every other neocon war whore who shares in the responsibility for his war of terror.

[groenhagen]

Given that Bill Clinton lied about Saddam's WMD for eight years, killed 500,000+ Iraqu children 5 and under through sanctions on Iraq because he said Saddam had WMD, and led a preemptive attack on Iraq (on nonexistent WMD facilities) in 1998, do you believe Bill Clinton deserves a date with The Hague as well?

[jperryam]

Absolutely. Show me a website, petition, email campaign, or anything that calls for Clinton to be tried in international court and I will sign on. Tell me something - Have you been campaigning for this all along, or are you just one of those "Clinton did it too" Bush apologists trying to help him get away with HIS crimes?

[groenhagen]

"Clinton did it too"?

Only Clinton killed 567,000+ Iraqi children 5 and under with sanctions because he said Saddam had WMD.

[jperryam]

And Bush's illegal invasion and occupation has killed more than one million. Men, women AND children. And has created the fastest growing refugee crisis on the planet. More than four million Iraqis have been forced from their homes. Care to answer my question and show me where I can sign up to demand the prosecution of Clinton, or are you too busy with the smoke and mirrors?

[groenhagen]

That's baloney. No serious organization has an estimate anywhere near that. And keep in mind that it is Iraqis and al Qaeda that has killed the majority of Iraqis.

[jperryam]

Johns Hopkins University is not a serious organization? If you can ever manage to put enough of your bias aside to do some real homework, Google "Johns Hopkins Iraq Mortality study" and see for yourself. Then go to JustForeignPolicy DOT org and see their followup to the JH study. Then...

[jperryam]

Google "ORB Iraq survey" and see their results, exactly how they arrived at them, and how they fall within the margin of error for the totally separate JFP study. And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.

[groenhagen]

"And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question."

It's not my responsibility to point you to such a petition.

[jperryam]

Actually, the question regarding Clinton was: "Have you been campaigning for this all along, or are you just one of those "Clinton did it too" Bush apologists trying to help him get away with HIS crimes?"

You Bush fascist footsoldiers sure have a short attention span.

But thanks - you've pretty much answered the question anyway. You couldn't care less about accountability for Clinton. He's just one of your tools of distraction.

[groenhagen]

"You couldn't care less about accountability for Clinton. He's just one of your tools of distraction."

Actually, I think you couldn't care less. You're more interested in making a partisan attack on Bush than you are in justice. You moonbats are going to vote for Hillary nice year even though her husband's policies vis-a-vis Iraq gave us 9/11 and other "messages with no words."

[jperryam]

There you go, thinking again. Not only do you Bushie fools have a short attention span, but it's incredibly narrow. Everything is black/white, liberal/conservative, republican/democrat. Everyone who opposes you is a flaming liberal who can't wait to vote for Hillary. The truth - I never voted for Bill and will SURE AS HELL NOT vote for Hillary. And I'll leave the partisan attacking to you.

[jperryam]

Again with the Iraq-9/11 lie. Jeezus, don't you idiots know that Bush himself has stated publicly multiple times that there was no evidence tying saddam to 9/11? BUSH is the one who IGNORED DOZENS of pre-9/11 warnings, both from other governments AND HIS OWN. BUSH is the one who IGNORED the August 6, 2001 PDB that screamed "Bin Laden determined to Strike in U.S." Trying to pin that disaster on Clinton is the most heinous of partisan attacks. How long are you going to continue the fraud?

[groenhagen]

jperryam:

I said Bill Clinton's policies vis-a-vis Iraq led to 9/11 and other "messages with no words." That is a fact. Keep in mind that the 9/11 hijackings were planned before Bush became president. Some of the hijackers were even in this country before Bush was elected president.

And Richard Clarke wrote in "Against All Enemies" that there was "no proof or specificity" concerning an impeding al Qaeda attack during the summer of 2001.

[jperryam]

What matters is not when they were planned, but when they happened, which was eight months into BUSH'S presidency. "Bin Laden determined to Strike in U.S." is not specific enough? The Pretender-in-Chief did NOTHING with that information. The attempt to absolve him of any and all responsibility for 9/11 is nothing more than pathetic political spin.

[groenhagen]

If you believe Richard Clarke was wrong and there was something specific concerning an imminent al Qaeda attack in the August 6 PDB, I invite you to share it.

[jperryam]

Another unanswered question. Good job. I shared from the 8/6/01 PDB what I thought was, at the very least, specific enough for Bush to do SOMETHING resembling preventative action. Again, he did NOTHING. You will never effectively argue that he bares no responsibility. Maybe we'll learn exactly how much he deserves if we ever see a legitimate, independent investigation of 9/11.

[groenhagen]

Again, there was no specific information in the August 6 PDB. If there had been, Richard Clarke would not have written that there was none. And no one has claimed that bares no responsbility. I'm saying that Clinton deserves far more of the blame because his policies vis-a-vis Iraq led to 9/11 and other "messages without words" sent prior to the Bush presidency.

[jperryam]

"And no one has claimed that bares no responsbility" - Assuming you meant to put Bush's name in there. Great! Then you of will of course support the truly legitimate, truly independent 9/11 investigation that has yet to happen, to see just how much responsibility each administration bares, and to finally get justice for the victims and their families. Gee groenhagen, maybe I've been wrong about you all along...

[Scotty7617]

Indeed, and Bush was briefed on the threat of Al-Qaeda even before the election. Bush did not address the issue of terrorism before 9/11 and expressed no interest in it.

[jperryam]

Iraqis would not be killing Iraqis if not for George's illegal invasion and occupation of their country. And Al Qaeda in Iraq is little more than a carelessly crafted neocon myth. Our own Pentagon has said that 95% of the violence is coming from home-grown Iraqis, and of the other 4-5%, at least half of the fighters are coming from Saudi Arabia. How come George is not threatening to bomb them?

[groenhagen]

I think you hsve your tin-foil hat on a bit too tight, moonbat.

[jperryam]

At least your hopelessly transparent propaganda is consistent. No legitimate refutation, just personal attack. That crap is wearing pretty thin, don't you think?

[groenhagen]

How do you explain the mass graves that were filled with the bodies of roughly 200,000 Iraqis BEFORE the invasion and occupation.

[steelersguy74]

Ronald Reagan's love affair with Saddam Hussien.

[groenhagen]

What are you smoking? The invasion was not illegal and no credible report on deaths in Iraq comes even close to one million, let alone 500,000.

[jperryam]

Where have you been for the past month? Watching O'Reilly re-runs and sniffing Sean Hannity's ass or something? The United States Constitution itself proves that the invasion and occupation of Iraq are indeed illegal. Maybe you should read it sometime.

[groenhagen]

I've read it. Show us where removing Saddam from power was illegal.

[jperryam]

The Constitution (The Supreme Law of our land) mandates that all international agreements/treaties we sign on to (UN Charter, Geneva Conventions, etc) automatically have the force of US law (as well as international law). Also states that only Congress may declare war. No Declaration...no approval for use of force from UN Security Council...No legitimate claim of self-defense...ILLEGAL invasion and occupation. It's irrefutable. But I'm sure you'll make some lame attempt anyway.

[groenhagen]

Congress voted to authorize force against Iraq in October 2002. Maybe you missed that. UNSC resolutions also authorized force against Saddam, but you have apparently failed to have read those.

[jperryam]

Interesting. Having read the Constitution, you should understand that the Congressional vote to authorize force against Iraq was itself ILLEGAL. Congress cannot legally transfer its war-making power to the president without a Constitutional Amendment, which also requires a three-fourths majority vote of state legislatures. I defy you to show us any pre-2003 UNSC resolution that authorizes Bush's use of military force against Iraq.

[groenhagen]

Have you ever read the joint resolution authorizing force against Iraq? It clearly noted that force was justified because Saddam had violated UNSC resolutions. Fortunately for you, the boob at the top of this page spares you from being the stupidest person here.

[jperryam]

Have you ever realized that ignoring the ugly truth will NEVER change it? The AUMF is illegal. The "war" is illegal. I have explained EXACTLY how this is so, not with rhetoric, but by using the Constitution. You are ignoring the truth. The UNSC did not authorize the use of force. Bush had no reason and no legal authority to act on his own. Deal with it.

[groenhagen]

You have yet to show why Operation Iraqi Freedom was illegal. You need to go back and study the UN resolutions against Iraq. We merely had a ceasefire in 1991. Iraq's refusal to comply with UNSC resolutions was one of the main reasons the House and the Democrat-controlled Senate authorized force against Iraq.

[jperryam]

How's the weather in your little fantasy land? I have explained exactly why and how George's invasion and occupation of Iraq are illegal. Anyone can scroll up exactly 4 posts (and 6 posts) above this one to see this for themselves. You have yet to legitimately refute it. Regardless of whatever UN resolutions Saddam violated, George STILL needed legal authorization for military action, which he NEVER got, because there was NO legitimate justification for it.

[kraigthorne]

The war was legal because Sadam violated the cease fire agreement from the 1991 Gulf War.

Now if you ask me if it was a wise thing to do and if Secritary Don had any idea how to make Iraq a free nation I think we might agree.

[kraigthorne]

As I remember after 9-11 the congress did give Bush a decloration of WAR on who ever and what ever he saw fit to war on. I think Maxine Waters voted against it because she did not want to give Bush that much power.

[jperryam]

Sorry. You're mistaken. The war is not legal. I clearly explained how this is so multiple times previously in this thread, to someone who clearly didn't want to deal with it. Please scroll up. Beyond that, I would urge you to do the research and prove it to yourself. Congress did not declare war. They authorized Bush to use force as he saw fit. This effectively transfered their war making power to the executive branch, which is clearly illegal as per the Constitution they all swore to honor.

[kraigthorne]

By your reading of the Constitution then all Federal Regulations are Unconstitutional. That being said you do have a point.

The problem is that the only remidy is impeachment or what we did in 2008.

If we do what Michael More wants and put our former VP and President on trial it will open a Pandora's box.

[IraqVetNY]

Notice the way Olbermann says "sir" and you might change your mind. Olbermann meant it as an insult IMHO