if you all guys knew what was the political situation you didnt need to hear all this crap! they came to hit one airplane and they did it! end of story the rest is just nice excusing story!
but i dont know who believes these kind of jokes!
like 9/11
like iraq
like every other bully excuse to ruin the other counties!
re previous redneck comment - reported by the military commander the Vincenz was in Iran waters when it committed this crime - SHAME ON AMERICA and still they persecute Iran and protect Israel ... America CIA helped overthrow a democratic government in Iran and installed their muppet ( the Shah ) who then had 30 years of Dictatorship with more human rights violations than even Gaddafi .... and now they want to deny a Sovereign country its right to self determination & development .... SHAMEFUL
In August 1988 Newsweek quoted Vice President George H. W. Bush as saying "I'll never apologize for the United States of America. Ever. I don't care what the facts are."
Iran, i am from the USA and im sorry for your loss. i know that people of Iran are good hearted and we americans treat Irans people bad just because of our dislike of your government. again im sorry
@CokeAndPizzaplz I will tell you that a large majority of Americans have great disgust towards our government. We have no desire to see Iran attacked. Our country was created because the people rose up and took control. I have confidence that the same will happen in Iran. But it is wrong for us to encourage it because it is not our concern.
@broumafx the US wasn't happy about this? they gave that douche a medal after this. They wouldn't give him if it was a "mistake". Going after terrorists? The US government is the biggest terrorist! just take a look how many lives they've lost.
@RLKnight2007 If America do that to Iran again this time, they will have civil war at home from economic collapse from oil prices because you depend on almost all your oil supply from the middle east. America bankrupt war in Iraq and Afghanistan and your type thinking is why America have never won a war. Your marines all look like immature retards holding a gun send to die like lambs in a faraway country, and your leaders are idiots who bankrupt the nation. this is the truth.
@cnlckht Harshly put but true, our government is no longer "by the people" as it was designed but instead it has become corrupt and out of touch with the it's citizens.
Wow, it's very stupid that such decisions are made based on what one person said. They guy who said A/C was decsending was wrong and amazing no one bothered to double check. Stupids. That captain acted ok for the given information but asshole no idea where he was. He was not in international water. And also not telling their position and not mentioning squack code of civilian plane were the biggest mistakes. I think they just wanted to shoot down SOMETHING coz their chopper was attacked.
There is a lot of blame to go around. As for Iran, their Air Force planes should not have used civilian airports. Second, they should not have allowed their civilian air planes to fly into a war zone. Why didn't the Iranians warn the civilian flight?
None of this excuses the actions of the Vincennes when they had the correct flight "squawk" (i.e. flight identification), and misread accurate flight data indicating the plane was actually ascending. The cover up is typical of US government.
Such bullshit! The Americans get medals and honors even though they shot down the plane while the USSR gets in shit for shooting down the plane which was on the USSR territory and was not responding to the radio!
@AvDanya Lol American propaganda. You see americans like to cover up their shame while exaggerating other countries accident. They like to make up lies to cover up their own shit. They don't even care about it when they shot down the plan. While they don't make an apology they get award for mass muder. Let see what would happen if this incident happened to the US. I bet all H.E.L.L. would break loose.
I love how when Americans kill, its a mistake and they get medals and awards for it when they go back but God forbid a non-friendly country point a finger at America, Its terrorism and national security and religious extremism and NATO and UN and superman and Dr.pepper all of a sudden become defenders of human rights and civilians. Mistake or not, this is murder or human slaughter and they should have all been convicted and punished not awarded and worshiped.
I'm not condemning the capt. and the crew, based on what is presented, but clearly, they did make a horrific mistake and what I did not like was that they accepted and partook in that heroes welcome when it was known that a commercial plane was shot down. And I don't think they should have been awarded medals based on the circumstances. Even if it was by error and not intent. That just made the U.S. look like they didn't care or like they were celebrating in the wake of a tragic event.
the United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million in compensation for the Iranians killed. The United States did not admit responsibility or apologize to the Iranian government
An F-14 is an intercepter, not an attack airplane. Those US officers should have known that. If they believed that an F-4 or F-5 was headed their way, than the justification for fear has more merit. But an interceptor? That's just ignorance.
broumafx; it was not an accident, it was a planned murder to force Iran to accept the western proposed peace when Iran was actually winning the war. Never to forget, nover to forgive.
You wanted me to carefully watch this? Voilà: it does not change the opinion that it was a deadly mistake and not a planned act - as murder is - against an Iranian civilian aircraft. What McKemma said, is that they not obeyed his order and were looking for trouble by coming into close proximity of the Montgomery. By chasing the gun-boats Vincennes ended up in Iranian waters, but that doesn't make it murder as it was not their intention to shut down a civilian aircraft. Just a deadly mistake.
In worst case you can call it "negligent homicide". It is the same result as if you were racing a car on public road and somebody dies through your action. You did not plan to run somebody down, but you could count on it, that it might happen.
By their negligent way of acting, the Iranian plane was shut down. It is still not a murder nor manslaughter.
The US gov clearly behaved in a dishonorable and disgraceful manner in handing down an illogical report supporting decisions which were contrary to the data. Some lowlevel idiot thought that the plane was descending was the crucial error. This was never questioned. Why didn't the ship's navigators know that they were inside Iranian waters - why didn't they know about the commercial airway? It is shameful that the US government in not saying sorry REGARDLESS of the context of this incident.
1) At that moment Iranian gun boats were attacking his task force
2) An Iranian F14 was on the same runway, they flew a commercial jetliner in to a war zone!
You act like a criminal case must be conducted in the minutes they had to decide. Based on the data, it was not a perfect case. BUT the preponderance of evidence was that it was attacking them!!
The fact that the USA allows viewing all of this, should put other nations to shame.
@chris2002Rocklin - Pls read some of the posts and watch the video carefully - perhaps take notes. You second point about F14 being on some runway is irrelevant - the commercial plane was in the air. It was Iranian waters - people were killed! If people have jobs of power of life and death you have to justify your decisions. if the US military has to be accountable when its staff make mistakes ... that's my problem.. accountability. A life is a life no matter what country it's from..unlearn!
@chris2002Rocklin also take a note that the reason they were being attacked by Iranian gunships was because they were 4 kilometers INSIDE IRANIAN WATERS! or maybe that was Iranian's fault too since America likes to blames everything they do wrong on someone else! IRANIAN WAAA TER SSS!
@chris2002Rocklin Oh and no they did NOT publicize everything! They hid the key fact of being in wrong territorial waters! like Parman11 said, you should watch the video again! Not only Americans did not publicly announce the truth but praised their crew! WATCH THE VIDEO DUDE! this is almost a joke how you are defending a clear killing of civilians! Im sure you wouldnt talk ro lightly about this if it was someone close to you on that plane!
@chris2002Rocklin You obviously haven't bothered to watch this video - let alone the evidence that's not in this video, which the U.S government did not want released, but was leaked years later.
Laziness seems to be a prerequisite for those of you who choose to wallow in ignorance, by believing that America can do no wrong regardless of what it actually does...
Of course, the victims were Muslims - nowadays, you'd likely consider such a tragedy as an actual victory, right?
@cinesimonj they were innocent muslims. thats like brutally stabbing everybody in germany saying that they were all nazis. innocent people dont deserve to die in such a way
The commander on that ship must be convicted of human slutter, he neglected to do all his duty and check the data that the stupid dumb ass officer mis-read. 290 people died because of some junk Americans
@simplefact4u Fact one every one was jumpy from the attack made on USS Stark that killed 40 the year before. Fact two. Iran purposely hid its military air traffic in a civilian airport. They were purposely mixing war machines in with the civilian airliners taking off that day.Iran purposely cordinated the surface hostiles in hopes of causing a tracking issue/confusion so they could get some free press at american expense. They did this for a year before it paid off.
if you all guys knew what was the political situation you didnt need to hear all this crap! they came to hit one airplane and they did it! end of story the rest is just nice excusing story!
but i dont know who believes these kind of jokes!
like 9/11
like iraq
like every other bully excuse to ruin the other counties!
ghomeyshi7 19 hours ago
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re previous redneck comment - reported by the military commander the Vincenz was in Iran waters when it committed this crime - SHAME ON AMERICA and still they persecute Iran and protect Israel ... America CIA helped overthrow a democratic government in Iran and installed their muppet ( the Shah ) who then had 30 years of Dictatorship with more human rights violations than even Gaddafi .... and now they want to deny a Sovereign country its right to self determination & development .... SHAMEFUL
opinionater100 2 weeks ago
In August 1988 Newsweek quoted Vice President George H. W. Bush as saying "I'll never apologize for the United States of America. Ever. I don't care what the facts are."
sapperzulu 2 months ago
Iran, i am from the USA and im sorry for your loss. i know that people of Iran are good hearted and we americans treat Irans people bad just because of our dislike of your government. again im sorry
VaderQuake 4 months ago 5
@VaderQuake yes i am iranian but its our government who put us in a bad reputation were really good and nice people =] most of us anyway
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@CokeAndPizzaplz I will tell you that a large majority of Americans have great disgust towards our government. We have no desire to see Iran attacked. Our country was created because the people rose up and took control. I have confidence that the same will happen in Iran. But it is wrong for us to encourage it because it is not our concern.
remodrums33 1 month ago 2
@remodrums33 I agree
CokeAndPizzaplz 1 month ago
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bg11215 5 months ago
@broumafx oh and fyi, the US gov still hasn't apologized. What does that tell you?
soycd10 8 months ago
@broumafx the US wasn't happy about this? they gave that douche a medal after this. They wouldn't give him if it was a "mistake". Going after terrorists? The US government is the biggest terrorist! just take a look how many lives they've lost.
soycd10 8 months ago
that aint fair ...
TekkePare 10 months ago
haha awesome. good job america! Cpt. made the right choice.
RLKnight2007 11 months ago
@RLKnight2007 Now America past sins is catching up to it.
cnlckht 9 months ago
@cnlckht in what way?
RLKnight2007 8 months ago
@RLKnight2007 If America do that to Iran again this time, they will have civil war at home from economic collapse from oil prices because you depend on almost all your oil supply from the middle east. America bankrupt war in Iraq and Afghanistan and your type thinking is why America have never won a war. Your marines all look like immature retards holding a gun send to die like lambs in a faraway country, and your leaders are idiots who bankrupt the nation. this is the truth.
cnlckht 8 months ago
@cnlckht Harshly put but true, our government is no longer "by the people" as it was designed but instead it has become corrupt and out of touch with the it's citizens.
remodrums33 1 month ago
my grandfather was on that plane and he died they get medals for killing my grandfather and many others arrrrgh
some world!!!!!!
77roseyposey 11 months ago
All military people are dumb and full of themselves, it's silly when they die thou.
FallenPaladin85 1 year ago
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@FallenPaladin85 go back to your fantasy world in WoW.
RLKnight2007 11 months ago
@broumafx I read they received medals.
FallenPaladin85 1 year ago
they kill civilians and they get rewarded?! i wish the war between iran and america kicks off so we can FUCK YOU UP!
ahriman46 1 year ago
Wow, it's very stupid that such decisions are made based on what one person said. They guy who said A/C was decsending was wrong and amazing no one bothered to double check. Stupids. That captain acted ok for the given information but asshole no idea where he was. He was not in international water. And also not telling their position and not mentioning squack code of civilian plane were the biggest mistakes. I think they just wanted to shoot down SOMETHING coz their chopper was attacked.
janakaabeywickrama 1 year ago
don't really blame em when they chant "death to america". they have every right to do so
PersianTerritorry 1 year ago 4
wtf? y did they get a celebration at port? they should hav gotten jailed!!!!!!! this is bullshit!!!!!!!!!
Hobinator17 1 year ago 4
@broumafx thank u for not responding like all the other ignorant fucks on these videos. ur comment actually made sense
Hobinator17 1 year ago
There is a lot of blame to go around. As for Iran, their Air Force planes should not have used civilian airports. Second, they should not have allowed their civilian air planes to fly into a war zone. Why didn't the Iranians warn the civilian flight?
None of this excuses the actions of the Vincennes when they had the correct flight "squawk" (i.e. flight identification), and misread accurate flight data indicating the plane was actually ascending. The cover up is typical of US government.
DCFunBud 1 year ago
Such bullshit! The Americans get medals and honors even though they shot down the plane while the USSR gets in shit for shooting down the plane which was on the USSR territory and was not responding to the radio!
AvDanya 1 year ago 2
@AvDanya Lol American propaganda. You see americans like to cover up their shame while exaggerating other countries accident. They like to make up lies to cover up their own shit. They don't even care about it when they shot down the plan. While they don't make an apology they get award for mass muder. Let see what would happen if this incident happened to the US. I bet all H.E.L.L. would break loose.
firedudejklef 1 year ago
@AvDanya I mean plane*
firedudejklef 1 year ago
I love how when Americans kill, its a mistake and they get medals and awards for it when they go back but God forbid a non-friendly country point a finger at America, Its terrorism and national security and religious extremism and NATO and UN and superman and Dr.pepper all of a sudden become defenders of human rights and civilians. Mistake or not, this is murder or human slaughter and they should have all been convicted and punished not awarded and worshiped.
ashkanny 1 year ago
massive cover up.
wp America
druvik 1 year ago
I'm not condemning the capt. and the crew, based on what is presented, but clearly, they did make a horrific mistake and what I did not like was that they accepted and partook in that heroes welcome when it was known that a commercial plane was shot down. And I don't think they should have been awarded medals based on the circumstances. Even if it was by error and not intent. That just made the U.S. look like they didn't care or like they were celebrating in the wake of a tragic event.
CinemaMaximus 2 years ago
It was never stupid errors it was murder against civilian targets.
anneeq008 2 years ago
the United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million in compensation for the Iranians killed. The United States did not admit responsibility or apologize to the Iranian government
darshananc 2 years ago
An F-14 is an intercepter, not an attack airplane. Those US officers should have known that. If they believed that an F-4 or F-5 was headed their way, than the justification for fear has more merit. But an interceptor? That's just ignorance.
bluezappy 2 years ago 3
What exactly does an interceptor plane do then thats different to an attacking plane? Does that not shoot missiles too?
Im not on the American side of the story far from it lols!! Just dont know about different aircrafts lols.
anneeq008 2 years ago
broumafx; it was not an accident, it was a planned murder to force Iran to accept the western proposed peace when Iran was actually winning the war. Never to forget, nover to forgive.
Ghessas is our right and we must take it.
ZedYahood2 2 years ago
You wanted me to carefully watch this? Voilà: it does not change the opinion that it was a deadly mistake and not a planned act - as murder is - against an Iranian civilian aircraft. What McKemma said, is that they not obeyed his order and were looking for trouble by coming into close proximity of the Montgomery. By chasing the gun-boats Vincennes ended up in Iranian waters, but that doesn't make it murder as it was not their intention to shut down a civilian aircraft. Just a deadly mistake.
rvd1979 2 years ago 3
In worst case you can call it "negligent homicide". It is the same result as if you were racing a car on public road and somebody dies through your action. You did not plan to run somebody down, but you could count on it, that it might happen.
By their negligent way of acting, the Iranian plane was shut down. It is still not a murder nor manslaughter.
rvd1979 2 years ago 3
The US gov clearly behaved in a dishonorable and disgraceful manner in handing down an illogical report supporting decisions which were contrary to the data. Some lowlevel idiot thought that the plane was descending was the crucial error. This was never questioned. Why didn't the ship's navigators know that they were inside Iranian waters - why didn't they know about the commercial airway? It is shameful that the US government in not saying sorry REGARDLESS of the context of this incident.
praman11 3 years ago 11
@praman11 You are ridiculous.
Didn't you hear?
1) At that moment Iranian gun boats were attacking his task force
2) An Iranian F14 was on the same runway, they flew a commercial jetliner in to a war zone!
You act like a criminal case must be conducted in the minutes they had to decide. Based on the data, it was not a perfect case. BUT the preponderance of evidence was that it was attacking them!!
The fact that the USA allows viewing all of this, should put other nations to shame.
Fool.
chris2002Rocklin 1 year ago
@chris2002Rocklin - Pls read some of the posts and watch the video carefully - perhaps take notes. You second point about F14 being on some runway is irrelevant - the commercial plane was in the air. It was Iranian waters - people were killed! If people have jobs of power of life and death you have to justify your decisions. if the US military has to be accountable when its staff make mistakes ... that's my problem.. accountability. A life is a life no matter what country it's from..unlearn!
praman11 1 year ago
@chris2002Rocklin also take a note that the reason they were being attacked by Iranian gunships was because they were 4 kilometers INSIDE IRANIAN WATERS! or maybe that was Iranian's fault too since America likes to blames everything they do wrong on someone else! IRANIAN WAAA TER SSS!
ashkanny 1 year ago
@chris2002Rocklin Oh and no they did NOT publicize everything! They hid the key fact of being in wrong territorial waters! like Parman11 said, you should watch the video again! Not only Americans did not publicly announce the truth but praised their crew! WATCH THE VIDEO DUDE! this is almost a joke how you are defending a clear killing of civilians! Im sure you wouldnt talk ro lightly about this if it was someone close to you on that plane!
ashkanny 1 year ago
@chris2002Rocklin You obviously haven't bothered to watch this video - let alone the evidence that's not in this video, which the U.S government did not want released, but was leaked years later.
Laziness seems to be a prerequisite for those of you who choose to wallow in ignorance, by believing that America can do no wrong regardless of what it actually does...
Of course, the victims were Muslims - nowadays, you'd likely consider such a tragedy as an actual victory, right?
cinesimonj 1 year ago
@cinesimonj they were innocent muslims. thats like brutally stabbing everybody in germany saying that they were all nazis. innocent people dont deserve to die in such a way
Hobinator17 1 year ago
The commander on that ship must be convicted of human slutter, he neglected to do all his duty and check the data that the stupid dumb ass officer mis-read. 290 people died because of some junk Americans
simplefact4u 3 years ago 20
@simplefact4u
i agree
77roseyposey 11 months ago
@simplefact4u Fact one every one was jumpy from the attack made on USS Stark that killed 40 the year before. Fact two. Iran purposely hid its military air traffic in a civilian airport. They were purposely mixing war machines in with the civilian airliners taking off that day.Iran purposely cordinated the surface hostiles in hopes of causing a tracking issue/confusion so they could get some free press at american expense. They did this for a year before it paid off.
Tarten46 2 weeks ago