Word Jew derives from Judah( Yehudah יהודה) referring to the tribe descended from Judah the fourth son of the patriarch Jacob,
Judah was one of the twelve sons of Jacob and one of the Twelve tribes of Israel.
The kingdom of Judah became the sole Jewish state and the term was applied to all Israelites. When the word makes its first appearance in writing (in the book of Esther) its meaning includes converts to the Jewish religion and descendants of Israelites
Israel refuses to return the expelled Palestinians because its a fact that they will out number the Jewish population and Character of Israel hence disappearing Israel. Again i am not attacking Israel or Jewish people but i am just trying to get a good understanding here. I am just asking Questions and need to be answered. I am atheist so don't give me the promised land crap.
If the right and I dont believe it is a right of retuen is given to those calling themselves 'Palestinian' Genocide will be visited on every Man,Woman and Child in Israel thats the bottom line.
Would any country allow that to occur to its people?
why are you removing my comments? at least let the people read what i wrote this shows you how extremist you are ! i think i made a very bold point that's why your deleting it. I believe that land of Israel did exist but that's an old civilization. The Jews needed to import a non-native people from Ethiopia and Russia just to increase the population of Israel to 7 million. Why are you all Israeli from all over the world and refusing returning all the Palestinians after the war?
@snizzlefrazzy well if you had a chance to read my comments, i was just asking questions not throwing stones. And yes i know even attacking christian pilgrims in Holy land of Israel is extremist :( !!!
@NoSharia4UK lol funny but still wrong, the Jewish state is struggling to make the land Jewish, the purpose on doing such settlement is to make the land Jewish while it has lost its Jewish taste for thousands of years
@NoSharia4UK I am aware that the Jews were before the arabs and its a fact, but its been a long time since they lived on that land thats why they are importing jews from filipines and china (ok this was meant to be a joke mentioning asian countries while there aren't asian jews in first place). I have no problem with Israel as a state but the main issue is zionism (kicking out palestians whole lived their since salah al din) are you saying only Jews lived there? come on man.
@ae10wnu also forgot to mention since your so pro-jewish don't you think Israel is becoming more secular than a religious/holy state? you left the land long time back and in thousands of years you come back and start importing from alaska (europe) :/ ?
No of course not only Jews lived there but Jews have lived on that land for 3,500 years Todays Jews bought the land and developed it they stole nothing.
Look I am intrested in history not the revised kind the press and those that are protecting their oil intrests punt.
Today historians are a disgrace its plain this land was never abandoned by the Jews and it was always their land.
Its not palestinian Land it belongs to The Jews The Zionist are right to fight for it.
You're right, the Jews have been there but so have the Palestinians.
Most Jews ( especially those that lived there ) opposed a state, it was an elite group that made a deal with the UK ( with Arthur Balfour ) to create the state.
The ones who established it are Zionists, Atheist Jews, frauds, not Semetic but Europeans from Russia, Poland, etc.
The Jews in the Middle East ( in Iran, Lebanon, Etc. ) are the complete opposite and resent Israel.
Who are the Palestinians when did they come into being thats the real question you should be researching as for the European Jews why where they so far flung in the first place Arab gression perhaps?
Jews in Russia and Poland where persicuted as much as they are in their homeland.
No one is calling for disposed Jews to have their right of return and what of The Cypriots/Pandits right of return to homes that where stolen from them?
@Iammram 1- Yeah, but the philistines descended of the GREEKS
2- what means far flung?
3- No, but i doubt much of these country will let them stay, the USSR, was quite antisemite at that times when the state of israel was created. and Poland also.
4- Land of the Jews and where the jews originated.
Yes, with a partition plan accepted by Israelis and offering palestinians less but BEST land, but oh, "palestinians" did not accept.
@Iammram palestinians , i want them to be a free, prosperous, and democratic state, thing that with its actual rulers will be not possible, so Israel has to form young palestinians for leading the future palestine, but with terrorism and islamic fanatism, this is IMPOSIBLE.
No they do not they want peace they could have had a state they chose terrorism they want it all from the river to the sea they want the elimination of all Jews and after the Jews christians.
You have got to be kidding me right now. Biblical scholars say they were, though some "words/names" used in the bible as we know it today are not semetic in root.
*shakes head*
"If there was a Palestine or Palestinian people there would be evidence"
You really don't know history, do you?
There is no point to go back and forth, try beginning here for starters.
/watch?v=K_jvXnPG9Xc
If you want to continue "after" watching, then feel free
The Philistines came to Palestine by sea from the realms of Mycenae, in the aftermath of the collapse of Mycenaean culture around 1200 B.C.E. They came to Canaan from the Aegean region in boats.
Philistine were related to the Mycenean or Greek world and came from the Aegean most scholars site Crete as their origin.
You are completely picking what you want to see, so I will bullet point it for you
- The kingdom as you keep referring to was promised to the twelve sons of Jacob ( The Covenant )
The Jews ( followers ) broke the covenant, the Romans came, took over, kicked them out or enslaved them. ( Palestine existed since the Bronze Age, before this time and again during this time )
Then during Umar ibn al-Khattāb's caliphate, He took Jerusalem and "Returned" the Jews to it.Until the Crusades
No you are insisting that the Philistines are the decendants of todays fictional Palestinians they where an agean people and Palestine has never existed full stop.
Your learning is obviously based on political or religious bias not factsYou do not seek or desire truth.
The Palestinians can lie as often as they wish the UN and 'International Community' whoever they are also but the truth stands Israel is right and there has never been a Palestine or Palestinian People.
It it you that is delusional historical revisionism is a trait of the muslim world its always others that are persicuting Muslims and stealing their land its always muslims that are the victims.
Muslims are the words greatest land thieves and historical revisionists their plagerism of others cultural achievements are legendary it is you who are brainwashed and you can no longer see truth because you do not seek truth.
No The British my countrymen treated The Jews in a disgraceful manner and they fought back.
As for plagerizing many of the cultural and 'scientific' claims made by Islam are plagerized from other cultures before Islam even came into being as was a large part of the Torah and Bible which is why we see the characters of both in the Koran.
And the questions I put to you on Palestine ?
Why are you avoiding them?
It is I that am wasting time your mind is an echo chamber.
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him." (1 Corinthians 2:9)
The Prophet said, "ALLAH SAID, ‘I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things)
as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.’"
As for The treatment of Jews in Palestine by us British I will return to this.
lol Paul ( writer of Corinthians ) is paraphrasing Isaiah 64:4 which in turn, Isaiah is viewed as a Prophet ( one who received divine revelations ) therefor, there is no problem here since both are Prophets bringing forth the same "consistent" message from the creator.
I hope you do know that the Prophets & Messengers from Adam down to Muhammad are from the same creator right? Hence why the Qur'an speaks about all of them & bears the same constant message of worshipping 1 God.
If the statement found in Paul’s "quote" is NOT of divine origin. Then Muhammad is attributing to God what was not from God (whatever the source of the quote)
"If Paul's quote is not of divine origin then Muhammad is attributing to God what was not from God (whatever the source of the quote) therefor he is disqualified as a true prophet"
It's not "whatever the source", the source matters.
As for 20:29 and the hadith comparison, I don't even know why or how you are using the 2 against each other?
Hadiths aren't the Qur'an, you do know that right?
"No they don't want a state, they could have had one"
Stick to one topic, stop going back and forth from Hadiths to Palestine.
The Hadith you referenced wasn't a command it was an Explanation, what does that have to do with anything?
As for Palestine having it's currency, etc. is irrelevant. States didn't exist until imperialists created them against the peoples will to "divide and conquer"
The Hadith I metioned is obviously a command if the Koran needs explanation how on Earth can it be insired by God?
Its not just currency is it there is nothing to show there was a Palestinian Nation I gave several reasonable questions that could be answered about any Historical people my point being that there would be evidence and as far as Palestine/Palestinians go there clearly is not or the questions would be easily answered.
Did you not see what you quoted? You quoted that Muhammad quoted another Prophet, where was the command?
"If the Qur'an needs an explanation how on Earth can it be by God?"
I'm not even going to answer this.
"Let's settle Palestine first"
I did, it's up to you now to understand that, keep it modern and even by your own standards, Palestine was a partition right? From that Partition came "Modern Day Israel"
I understand perfectly Iammram and no you did not settle palestine in any way and no i will not 'keep it modern' history has its tale to tell hence the revisionism of many of todays 'writers' and historians' history serves us well if we learn from it.
They where not having their lands taken from them Ariel sharon has as all Jews have the right to go to the Temple Mount. Muslim did not respected the Church of The Holy Sepulchre Sacred to Christians?
Should Christians have attacked Muslims for that ?
Hamas terrorists fired rockets into southern Israel.
Israel refrained from military action.
In fact, during the six months the arrangement was supposed to be observed, 329 rockets and mortar shells were fired at Israel.
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Blessed is he who has seen me, but seven times blessed is he who has not seen me but has believed in me."
"Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’" John 20:29
@Iammram When was it founded and by whom? What were its borders? What was its capital? What were its major cities? What constituted the basis of its economy? What was its form of government? Name at least one "Palestinian" leader before Arafat Was "Palestine" ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation? What was the official language of "Palestine"? What was the name of its currency?
"The Palestinians never existed otherwise we would have evidence"
Actually, you do, it's called "Churches & Mosques" for starters.
"Jordan is also Israel land that was stolen"
From who?
You keep bouncing from history to history, why don't you try settling first Palestine then go somewhere else, you're arguments are all muddled without settling anything.
The Arabs really hated how well the Jews managed their land and their envy drives their hatred.
We are not all dhimmis we have a brain in our head we can read and understand history and dont believe in fairytales regarding ficticious lands and peoples that dont and have never existed.
You know Palestine and its supposed people are a myth your hatred simply blinds you to the truth.
Go back to school and slap your History teachere real hard.
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NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
Never stop constructing the settlements.
Y2KCIA 2 months ago
If the settlements do stop, Israel will pay for it.
It's really simple. Islam calls for and necessitates the destruction of the Jewish race in its entirety.
The muslim palestinians (that is Philistines, the Hebrew word for invaders) are winning the demographics game.
Israel is facing a future population majority of people who have a theological duty to exterminate Jews...
squirrelrides 2 months ago
Well lets take a look at The koran it states more than once.
Jerusalem and Israel Is For The Jews.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
"The Qur'an states more than once, Jerusalem & Israel is for the Jews"
The "Children Of Israel" not Jews, there's a difference since you are referring to the Qur'an.
The Twelve sons of Jacob are the children of Israel, Jews are followers but not of the sons.
It's important to make that distinction.
The Word "Jew" didn't come into existence until way after.
Moses never heard the word "Jew" in his life ( It's not even in the Torah )
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
Word Jew derives from Judah( Yehudah יהודה) referring to the tribe descended from Judah the fourth son of the patriarch Jacob,
Judah was one of the twelve sons of Jacob and one of the Twelve tribes of Israel.
The kingdom of Judah became the sole Jewish state and the term was applied to all Israelites. When the word makes its first appearance in writing (in the book of Esther) its meaning includes converts to the Jewish religion and descendants of Israelites
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
Can the expelled Jews have the right of return?
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
Israel refuses to return the expelled Palestinians because its a fact that they will out number the Jewish population and Character of Israel hence disappearing Israel. Again i am not attacking Israel or Jewish people but i am just trying to get a good understanding here. I am just asking Questions and need to be answered. I am atheist so don't give me the promised land crap.
ae10wnu 2 months ago
@ae10wnu
If these folks are allowed to live in Israel Israel will disapear in another holocaust thats the bottom line.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@ae10wnu
If the right and I dont believe it is a right of retuen is given to those calling themselves 'Palestinian' Genocide will be visited on every Man,Woman and Child in Israel thats the bottom line.
Would any country allow that to occur to its people?
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
why are you removing my comments? at least let the people read what i wrote this shows you how extremist you are ! i think i made a very bold point that's why your deleting it. I believe that land of Israel did exist but that's an old civilization. The Jews needed to import a non-native people from Ethiopia and Russia just to increase the population of Israel to 7 million. Why are you all Israeli from all over the world and refusing returning all the Palestinians after the war?
ae10wnu 2 months ago
@ae10wnu removing a comment is not extremist. teaching a child to become a suicide bomber is extreme
snizzlefrazzy 2 months ago
@snizzlefrazzy well if you had a chance to read my comments, i was just asking questions not throwing stones. And yes i know even attacking christian pilgrims in Holy land of Israel is extremist :( !!!
ae10wnu 2 months ago
Why should they?
They are building on their own land.
NoSharia4UK 4 months ago
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ae10wnu 3 months ago
@NoSharia4UK lol funny but still wrong, the Jewish state is struggling to make the land Jewish, the purpose on doing such settlement is to make the land Jewish while it has lost its Jewish taste for thousands of years
ae10wnu 3 months ago
@ae10wnu
No you are wrong this land has always been Jewish land not invented or stolen land but the land that has been theirs for over 3,500 years.
I pressume you can access history books and research?
NoSharia4UK 3 months ago
@NoSharia4UK I am aware that the Jews were before the arabs and its a fact, but its been a long time since they lived on that land thats why they are importing jews from filipines and china (ok this was meant to be a joke mentioning asian countries while there aren't asian jews in first place). I have no problem with Israel as a state but the main issue is zionism (kicking out palestians whole lived their since salah al din) are you saying only Jews lived there? come on man.
ae10wnu 3 months ago
@ae10wnu also forgot to mention since your so pro-jewish don't you think Israel is becoming more secular than a religious/holy state? you left the land long time back and in thousands of years you come back and start importing from alaska (europe) :/ ?
ae10wnu 3 months ago
@ae10wnu
The Jews never 'left' their land they had their land stolen from them aided at times by my countrymen the British and others for political reasons.
When was Palestine founded and by whom?
What was its capital?
What was the official language of "Palestine"?
What was the name of its currency?
Since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
There has never been a palestine or palestinian people.
Why not have one built on your land?
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@ae10wnu
No of course not only Jews lived there but Jews have lived on that land for 3,500 years Todays Jews bought the land and developed it they stole nothing.
Look I am intrested in history not the revised kind the press and those that are protecting their oil intrests punt.
Today historians are a disgrace its plain this land was never abandoned by the Jews and it was always their land.
Its not palestinian Land it belongs to The Jews The Zionist are right to fight for it.
NoSharia4UK 3 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
You're right, the Jews have been there but so have the Palestinians.
Most Jews ( especially those that lived there ) opposed a state, it was an elite group that made a deal with the UK ( with Arthur Balfour ) to create the state.
The ones who established it are Zionists, Atheist Jews, frauds, not Semetic but Europeans from Russia, Poland, etc.
The Jews in the Middle East ( in Iran, Lebanon, Etc. ) are the complete opposite and resent Israel.
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
Who are the Palestinians when did they come into being thats the real question you should be researching as for the European Jews why where they so far flung in the first place Arab gression perhaps?
Jews in Russia and Poland where persicuted as much as they are in their homeland.
No one is calling for disposed Jews to have their right of return and what of The Cypriots/Pandits right of return to homes that where stolen from them?
Its not as black and white as it appears.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
They've been there as long as the Jews have, it's even in the bible ( as Philistines )
To know even further then you have to get into it for yourself.
"Why were European Jews far flung in the first place, Arab Aggression?"
I don't follow you with this question.
"Jews in Russia & Poland were persecuted"
Not by Palestinians.
"No one is calling for disposed Jews to have their right of return..."
To what? Land from 2000+ years ago?
You do know how the state was created right?
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
I see you avoided the questions onThe Palestinians I posed.
Cant answer them then?
Israel and its Capital Jerusalem has been there for 3,500 years but then I am not a historical revisionist I prefer facts not fiction.
The Palestinians have as much a claim to the land they call theirs as they do Disneyland But to be fair to Disneyland it actually exists.
The Jews are in their own land and all Jews have the right to return there.
The Jews are right to defend themselves.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@Iammram 1- Yeah, but the philistines descended of the GREEKS
2- what means far flung?
3- No, but i doubt much of these country will let them stay, the USSR, was quite antisemite at that times when the state of israel was created. and Poland also.
4- Land of the Jews and where the jews originated.
Yes, with a partition plan accepted by Israelis and offering palestinians less but BEST land, but oh, "palestinians" did not accept.
I seriously wish the best to
breizhcatalonia1993 2 months ago
@Iammram palestinians , i want them to be a free, prosperous, and democratic state, thing that with its actual rulers will be not possible, so Israel has to form young palestinians for leading the future palestine, but with terrorism and islamic fanatism, this is IMPOSIBLE.
breizhcatalonia1993 2 months ago
@breizhcatalonia1993
No they do not they want peace they could have had a state they chose terrorism they want it all from the river to the sea they want the elimination of all Jews and after the Jews christians.
This is the aim worldwide a taught in the Koran.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@Iammram
The philistines where not arabs they where not even a Semetic people they where an Agean Boat people from Greece or Cyprus,
Do the research please this is the view of most respected Historians.
If there was a Palestine and Palestinian people there would be evidence there is not both are a recent invention.
But I suspect you already know this dont you?
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
"The philistines were not even Semetic"
You have got to be kidding me right now. Biblical scholars say they were, though some "words/names" used in the bible as we know it today are not semetic in root.
*shakes head*
"If there was a Palestine or Palestinian people there would be evidence"
You really don't know history, do you?
There is no point to go back and forth, try beginning here for starters.
/watch?v=K_jvXnPG9Xc
If you want to continue "after" watching, then feel free
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
Do the research dont be lazy.
The Philistines came to Palestine by sea from the realms of Mycenae, in the aftermath of the collapse of Mycenaean culture around 1200 B.C.E. They came to Canaan from the Aegean region in boats.
Philistine were related to the Mycenean or Greek world and came from the Aegean most scholars site Crete as their origin.
They where not Arabs or even Semetic.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@Iammram
You are the one claiming the that Palestine/Palestinians existed answer the questions I put to you.
Every culture and civilisations history can be shown in some way why cant a jot of evidence be shown for a Palestine or distict Palestinian people?
Its a fair question.
I say its because neither existed in Historical terms after 25 years of research on the subject.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
Palestine was carved up by the UK when the Ottoman Empire was falling.
From that, they carved even further creating Israel.
Hence, Israel was created on Palestine.
Is that more clear now?
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
And Trans Jordan a state created on Jewish land?
What the Jews got was desert and they made the best of it and yes it was their land.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
You are completely picking what you want to see, so I will bullet point it for you
- The kingdom as you keep referring to was promised to the twelve sons of Jacob ( The Covenant )
The Jews ( followers ) broke the covenant, the Romans came, took over, kicked them out or enslaved them. ( Palestine existed since the Bronze Age, before this time and again during this time )
Then during Umar ibn al-Khattāb's caliphate, He took Jerusalem and "Returned" the Jews to it.Until the Crusades
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
No you are insisting that the Philistines are the decendants of todays fictional Palestinians they where an agean people and Palestine has never existed full stop.
Your learning is obviously based on political or religious bias not factsYou do not seek or desire truth.
The Palestinians can lie as often as they wish the UN and 'International Community' whoever they are also but the truth stands Israel is right and there has never been a Palestine or Palestinian People.
.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
"The Palestinians can lie as often as they wish, the UN & International community also but the truth stands"
I put forth the case from the "Political" view then the "Biblical" view and still you tell yourself what you want to hear.
You're delusional, go see a doctor, seriously.
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
It it you that is delusional historical revisionism is a trait of the muslim world its always others that are persicuting Muslims and stealing their land its always muslims that are the victims.
Muslims are the words greatest land thieves and historical revisionists their plagerism of others cultural achievements are legendary it is you who are brainwashed and you can no longer see truth because you do not seek truth.
Islam is not the victim it is the victimiser.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
"Historical revisionism is a trait of the Muslim world"
You were the one stating that Palestinians never existed there you moron, don't pull that b.s. with me.
"Muslims are the greatest land thieves"
You know your digging yourself a bigger hole now right?
Who divided up the middle east? Who conquered the lands and planted their leaders there?
Who continues to build settlements on land that isn't even lawful by their own countries borders?
Stop talking sh*t now
(continued)
Iammram 2 months ago
Continued @NoSharia4UK
"They are plagiarizers "
What was plagiarized?
"You put forth fiction not truth, as a historian I operate on facts"
Yea, I can see how you do.
I took it from the Political "Facts" from Israel's creation in 1948 when you look even at the partition, when did it exist? 1947
Israel launched terrorism against the British & inhabitants during the war of independence to establish the state.
You are such a delusional moron that it actually pains me to even type to you now.
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
No The British my countrymen treated The Jews in a disgraceful manner and they fought back.
As for plagerizing many of the cultural and 'scientific' claims made by Islam are plagerized from other cultures before Islam even came into being as was a large part of the Torah and Bible which is why we see the characters of both in the Koran.
And the questions I put to you on Palestine ?
Why are you avoiding them?
It is I that am wasting time your mind is an echo chamber.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
"The British countrymen treated the Jews in a disgraceful manner and they fought back"
Not in Palestine they didn't. They actually paid them to move there, provided transportation etc.
What happened in the UK maybe is diff.
"Many of the cultural and scientific claims made by Islam are plagiarized, large parts are in the Torah & Bible"
Like what, give some examples.
"The questions I put to you on Palestine why are you avoiding them?"
What?
What was avoided?
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
Lets Start here.
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him." (1 Corinthians 2:9)
The Prophet said, "ALLAH SAID, ‘I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things)
as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.’"
As for The treatment of Jews in Palestine by us British I will return to this.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
lol Paul ( writer of Corinthians ) is paraphrasing Isaiah 64:4 which in turn, Isaiah is viewed as a Prophet ( one who received divine revelations ) therefor, there is no problem here since both are Prophets bringing forth the same "consistent" message from the creator.
I hope you do know that the Prophets & Messengers from Adam down to Muhammad are from the same creator right? Hence why the Qur'an speaks about all of them & bears the same constant message of worshipping 1 God.
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
The wording is Paul’s own summation of the OT.
If the statement found in Paul’s "quote" is NOT of divine origin. Then Muhammad is attributing to God what was not from God (whatever the source of the quote)
then Muhammad is disqualified as a true prophet
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@NoSharia4UK
"If Paul's quote is not of divine origin then Muhammad is attributing to God what was not from God (whatever the source of the quote) therefor he is disqualified as a true prophet"
It's not "whatever the source", the source matters.
As for 20:29 and the hadith comparison, I don't even know why or how you are using the 2 against each other?
Hadiths aren't the Qur'an, you do know that right?
"No they don't want a state, they could have had one"
When?
(Continued next post)
Iammram 2 months ago
Continued @NoSharia4UK
"They want it all from the river to the sea and want the elimination of all Jews then the Christians."
First of all, Palestinians aren't all Muslims, there are Christians as well.
Secondly, Hamas openly said they will have a dialogue, talk with Israel and put everything aside and Israel refused countless times.
"This is the aim worldwide in the Qur'an"
For a person who speaks with loose lips, you don't know your ass from your elbow about what is and isn't the Qur'an
Iammram 2 months ago
@Iammram
1937,1947,2001,2008 They Chose terror instead.
Does not the Quran tells you to obey and follow Muhammad How are you going to do that when you don't read the hadiths?
Quran and Hadith go together. Qura'an, Surah an-Nisa verse 59
"O you, those who have faith, obey Allah and obey the Messenger.
The Prophet has been sent to explain the Quran, not just to deliver it (Surah an-Nahl ayah 44).
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@NoSharia4UK
1937? 47?
The Revolts against having their lands taken from them is terrorism to you?
2001 came from Ariel Sharon provoking the Palestinians by going to the Temple Mount with security guards saying "This is ours and will always be"
(Both Jews & Muslims cherish this area, hence the provocation)
2008, Israel broke the cease fire which caused the war.
/watch?v=uDBiycEz12s
(Continued)
Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @NoSharia4UK
Stick to one topic, stop going back and forth from Hadiths to Palestine.
The Hadith you referenced wasn't a command it was an Explanation, what does that have to do with anything?
As for Palestine having it's currency, etc. is irrelevant. States didn't exist until imperialists created them against the peoples will to "divide and conquer"
Strategy of "Divide & Conquer"
Iammram 1 month ago
@IammramI
The Hadith I metioned is obviously a command if the Koran needs explanation how on Earth can it be insired by God?
Its not just currency is it there is nothing to show there was a Palestinian Nation I gave several reasonable questions that could be answered about any Historical people my point being that there would be evidence and as far as Palestine/Palestinians go there clearly is not or the questions would be easily answered.
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@NoSharia4UK
"The Hadith is obviously a command"
Did you not see what you quoted? You quoted that Muhammad quoted another Prophet, where was the command?
"If the Qur'an needs an explanation how on Earth can it be by God?"
I'm not even going to answer this.
"Let's settle Palestine first"
I did, it's up to you now to understand that, keep it modern and even by your own standards, Palestine was a partition right? From that Partition came "Modern Day Israel"
What don't you understand now?
Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @NoSharia4UK
I'll just add this for the heck of it.
/watch?v=1vaIK8wlAl0
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram
I understand perfectly Iammram and no you did not settle palestine in any way and no i will not 'keep it modern' history has its tale to tell hence the revisionism of many of todays 'writers' and historians' history serves us well if we learn from it.
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@Iammram
They where not having their lands taken from them Ariel sharon has as all Jews have the right to go to the Temple Mount. Muslim did not respected the Church of The Holy Sepulchre Sacred to Christians?
Should Christians have attacked Muslims for that ?
Hamas terrorists fired rockets into southern Israel.
Israel refrained from military action.
In fact, during the six months the arrangement was supposed to be observed, 329 rockets and mortar shells were fired at Israel.
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@NoSharia4UK
"They were not having their lands taken from Ariel Sharon"
I did not say they were, read what I typed again and pay attention to "detail"
"What about the Holy Sepulcher being destroyed"
Man, you really need to start paying attention. Look who did it ( Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah's orders ) and why.
The early Muslims maintained it until that leader came. The leader is of the Shi'a sect ( and was opposed by the other Caliphate & Muslims )
As for Hamas rockets,the CNN report doesnt lie
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram
"They were not having their lands taken from Ariel Sharon"
I did not say this pay attention to detail.
''They where not having their lands taken from them Ariel sharon has as all Jews have the right to go to the Temple Mount''
CNN Lol hardly paragons of truth.
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@Iammram
Example 2
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Blessed is he who has seen me, but seven times blessed is he who has not seen me but has believed in me."
"Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’" John 20:29
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@Iammram
The Palestinians never existed if they did we would have evidence of them would we not?
The settlements are being built on Israeli land Jordan Is also Israeli land that was stolen from the Jews.
I suppose the Kashmiri Pandits are lying as well and the Cypriots that had their land Stolen by Turkey who continue to illegaly occupy that land?
Those that live in Glass Houses should not throw bricks.
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@NoSharia4UK
"The Palestinians never existed otherwise we would have evidence"
Actually, you do, it's called "Churches & Mosques" for starters.
"Jordan is also Israel land that was stolen"
From who?
You keep bouncing from history to history, why don't you try settling first Palestine then go somewhere else, you're arguments are all muddled without settling anything.
Iammram 1 month ago
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NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
@Iammram
Right lets settle Palestine first answer all the questions I put to you they are you say stupid so they should be easy to answer.
Later we will talk about what Jerusalem means to Muslims and explore if it ever was a significant city for Islam Historically or spiritualy.
NoSharia4UK 1 month ago
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NoSharia4UK 2 months ago
@ae10wnu
The land is Jewish Full stop.
The Arabs really hated how well the Jews managed their land and their envy drives their hatred.
We are not all dhimmis we have a brain in our head we can read and understand history and dont believe in fairytales regarding ficticious lands and peoples that dont and have never existed.
You know Palestine and its supposed people are a myth your hatred simply blinds you to the truth.
Go back to school and slap your History teachere real hard.
NoSharia4UK 2 months ago