Perhaps its more accurate to say humans only use 10% of the brains potential. Although we may use 100% we are definitely not processing all the information that we recieve.
O.O i'm totally embarrassed to say that until now I totally believed the "we only use 10% of our brain" bit. there is an scientific american article on this. i shall read. thank you for enlightening me.
@bamboo4tameshigiri i completley understand what you are saying because i live in the u.s. and i might be a little off on this but i think thts y in the dc comic of superman he denounces his american citizenship because of all the bullshit tht the us puts out there and @TheAist i also agree on what you are sayin
Now I had a question about how u said ppl r like stupid bout things they only know so little about... now here's my question is tht y there is so much hate and racism because one group of ppl dosent know sumthing about the other group like ooo he looks different we should hate him and take all he has and rape his women and kill the men abd turn the kids into slaves type thing
Mis and Disinformation are primary problems with the modern world, especially the west, ESPECIALLY the US. Freedom of speech gives us FOX "news". Seriously though, there are reasons why martial arts have belt systems and why some move up faster than others and why some black belts NEVER make it past their first Dan. Many are simply not capable of dealing with the power properly. That is why I highly value meritocracy and I think that's the word you really meant instead of totalitarianism.
And if you ever get a chance send me a message me and we can tlk about some things tht I just dnt understand and maybe you could help me understand it
I really feel your perspective on things and I gotta agree on ur point of view n like you should try and explain these things to the people of flint because they are just seriously fucking ignorant and don't understand anything
good stuff. i felt that way on the cozmikzen channel, that there was a lot i knew that most people wouldnt understand, or flat out reject. now, i mainly speak to other freethinkers, so i dont feel the same limitations
The U.S. education system was never good. The problem isn't that people have too much information, it's the opposite. Even idiots want to be correct and know the right answer, and there mind will attempt to rationalize a truth even if they aren't good at it. Also, your point implies that the human brain has a fixed intelligence. This is wrong. The plasticity of the brain attests to that. As I assume you know, the brain in most plastic in childhood, which is why education is so important.
Interesting points. I think on the one hand you want everyone to have access to knowledge but on the other it can be dangerous in the wrong mind or hands. For example, if Hitler had the atomic bomb history may have turn out different. On another point, I have heard religious believers say this why god hasn't given us the cure for cancer, because we humans can't handle this knowledge, my reply normally is tell that to some dying from it.
I know I always go back to how kids are raised but.... think about it. How many parents are willing to be open with their child? The child must follow their religion, follow their political ideologies, questioning your parents rules or views? Then the child is "back-talking". If a parent happens to be wrong? Good luck finding one that will admit that to their child. I think people are stupid and close-minded because that is how they are raised. It's a cycle.
But that said I think this is a good discussion because the observation that people operate on information that they clearly are not handling correctly or show competence in handling is definitely the case. But the only hope is to indeed try to increase that competency.
The withholding information idea doesn't work, because obviously the problem is precisely that where no real information exist, bad, false, constructed "information" is inserted. That's pretty much the case with all the cases you mentioned. It's not like scientific racism came first and then people became racist. Racism was there and bad info is continued to be used to construct confirmation for the prejudices.
it's always been my opinion that-- He who knows everything can learn nothing.
Opinions on topics are expressions of individual perspective. Yes, we should learn more and attempt to understand the world better. When we get to a point that we are confident in our knowledge, we tend to reject new information at that point. Any serious argument with a Ron Paul fanboy is proof of that :)
bruce lee: in order to taste me cup of tea u must empty yours. the usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. dont let ur pre-determined biases prevent u from learning new things
majority stupid, minority smart :D Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine. Nulla è reale, tutto è lecito, Nothing is true everything is permitted
I think the problem is that people will ignore & disregard information which does not conform with their sensibilities & then the resultant world view. Thus making them easy dupes for the misinformation provided by demagogues and hucksters. Withholding info would only make the misinformation more potent.
On your devil's advocate position. Its circular nature is off putting, the knowledge the teacher holds was developed, and stands on the shoulders of people who had only a minor understanding of it. I think only on very specific topics where a motivation is overwhelming that will skew the interpretation of that introductory information, might it somehow be justified. Otherwise making that assumption would drastically slow/stop any new knowledge in that field.
Im sorry sage, normaly i wouldnt be so agressive with you, but in regards to this topic, everybody is wrong, that includes me, however i look at it from a logical standpoint, we (as a species) know CRAP all about how we work, nobody can say they "know" becuase they simply dont
For all we know, our brain "power" was at its limits 2 eras ago and whats happening now is a forced evolution were totaly destroys the original path
@VegetaFH1 ... so basically, you're saying that even though people have measured activity in the brain, which lead to the consensus that certain parts of the brain control certain functions, activities, and thought processes, it is foolish to relate the fact that we do use all of our brains? If so, I can't agree with your point. Sure, we don't know it all, but there are things we DO know.
Also, there isn't really a "peak" to be reached in evolution. There is no set goal for organisms to reach.
@Swordsage How can you say there is no peak for evolution? just look at our own species, the whole thing of "Survival of the fittest" and all that crap, sadly even i have to say, that is the peak
The goal in which you speak is one we have fought for since the very beggining (as to where that goal leads us... well thats anybodies guess)
As to the topic at hand, People can watch and watch and watch all they wish, but thats not gonna change anything if there only talking guess's at it
@VegetaFH1 If we are at the peak as you say, then your point about our brains being able to evolve further in the future is invalid. If we are at the peak, then there is no further development to be had.
Evolution is a process of adaption; it does not have a detailed set plan, nor an end goal of some kind of "finished model." Whatever environment an organism happens to be developing in over a long period of years determines the outcome, which is an ongoing process, not a finite one.
we arent at the peak, therefore it is impossible to be using 100%
its like... take a glass, any glass, now that glass is 100%, chop that glass down to 10% of its original size, now try fill it with water upto 100%, does it work? hell no
Excuse the sudo example but i think u get my point
Although that is taking into account that we have a peak at some point, which as u kindly pointed out, we dont, therefore the possibilites are ENDLESS
@VegetaFH1 The result of evolution doesn't imply something "better" from our perspectives. That's a common misunderstanding. It implies what is advantageous for surviving enough to pass on genes given the environment. If for example we were forced completely underground for some reason, a very different set of traits would become advantageous. And we could develop in an entirely different direction.
We procreate we eachother passed on this alone, what our minds tell us is that this woman and man has what our DNA needs, an advantage to .. lets say a disese or over a curtain type of illness
I do understand this, please dont talk to me like im an idiot, i know most people are, that doesnt mean everybody is
We procreate we eachother passed on this alone, what our minds tell us is that this woman and man has what our DNA needs, an advantage to .. lets say a disese or over a curtain type of illness
I do understand this, please dont talk to me like im an idiot, i know most people are, that doesnt mean everybody is
@VegetaFH1 Not sure what you mean... I'm replying to yours because I saw points in it that I felt were somewhat confusing, since they didn't really counter my point the way you thought it did, and also because I don't think you understand evolution as well as you think you do, since you claim there is a peak that evolution pushes organisms towards. The other posts aren't expressing any counter points towards what I said... so I don't understand what your point is here.
@VegetaFH1 Also, I don't know why you're bringing up future potential as a way to counter my point. This isn't about the possible evolution of the human brain down the line. This was about how the human brain is in the present. And in the present, the myth about us only using 10% of it is just that: a myth. Bringing up possible abilities in the future doesn't change that.
@Swordsage The future has everything to do with it, the fact that there is a possibility of (at some point) we will have a "greater power" of you will, means that our brains as of now are not at there max, which in turn makes that 10% deal right
its current state isnt 100%, so if IT isnt at 100% how the hell are we using at 100%
@VegetaFH1 Actually our brains pretty much are at their max given the rest of our bodies. The brain already consumes a large majority of our energy. And we are fully using the organ as it is. If we didn't use parts of our brains as they are, those areas would actually die.
@VegetaFH1 Speak for yourself and stop arguing from ignorance. You are actually saying this: "I do not understand, therefore no one understands" and that is fallacious.
I notice one thing here, your preaching to others about using 10% or not using 10% and blah, but then go on to say that we still dont fully understand how the brain works and yet then we loop back to your point about people talking shit about stuff they dont know
So... how long have you been studying the brain for?
Heres FACT for you Sage
Humanity has yet to reach evolutionary peak, therefore its safe to assume that the brain can evolve into something far beyond what we have now, correct? good
@VegetaFH1 We don't need to fully understand how the brain works to know how much is being activated in daily use. It doesn't take much research to realize that old wives' tail is false.
Your idea of a "peak" in evolution is strange. Theoretically our environment could change to where lesser brain function(for a lesser need for energy), or different brain function was much more advantageous. I wouldn't call that a "peak", tho it could be highly advantageously for that environment.
It's sad how quick people pick up that 10% of the brain thing and run with it without checking into it. A portion of the motivation for doing so is really self-serving. People don't as readily accept an unenjoyable and emotionally unfulfilled concept with so little evidence. When you are talking about being introduced to an idea and considering it just based on that introduction, it seems our most primitive desires are the first to be appealed to if allowed unchecked.
Hugh Mann- a. k. a. stupid fkin talking monkeys with ego issues
1x93cm 4 months ago
Perhaps its more accurate to say humans only use 10% of the brains potential. Although we may use 100% we are definitely not processing all the information that we recieve.
pedicalc7 5 months ago
@pedicalc7 urban myth- if you used 10% of your brain you'd be in a coma
we use 100% of our brain but not all of it is used for cognitive function- things like controlling muscles and organs etc
1x93cm 4 months ago
O.O i'm totally embarrassed to say that until now I totally believed the "we only use 10% of our brain" bit. there is an scientific american article on this. i shall read. thank you for enlightening me.
slytherinspy1960 5 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri i completley understand what you are saying because i live in the u.s. and i might be a little off on this but i think thts y in the dc comic of superman he denounces his american citizenship because of all the bullshit tht the us puts out there and @TheAist i also agree on what you are sayin
MrFamguy134 5 months ago
Now I had a question about how u said ppl r like stupid bout things they only know so little about... now here's my question is tht y there is so much hate and racism because one group of ppl dosent know sumthing about the other group like ooo he looks different we should hate him and take all he has and rape his women and kill the men abd turn the kids into slaves type thing
MrFamguy134 5 months ago
Mis and Disinformation are primary problems with the modern world, especially the west, ESPECIALLY the US. Freedom of speech gives us FOX "news". Seriously though, there are reasons why martial arts have belt systems and why some move up faster than others and why some black belts NEVER make it past their first Dan. Many are simply not capable of dealing with the power properly. That is why I highly value meritocracy and I think that's the word you really meant instead of totalitarianism.
bamboo4tameshigiri 5 months ago
Its OK, man. Your philosophical ramblings are fine in audio. Just throw us some interesting and topical pics throughout. Rock on!
bamboo4tameshigiri 5 months ago
And if you ever get a chance send me a message me and we can tlk about some things tht I just dnt understand and maybe you could help me understand it
MrFamguy134 5 months ago
I really feel your perspective on things and I gotta agree on ur point of view n like you should try and explain these things to the people of flint because they are just seriously fucking ignorant and don't understand anything
MrFamguy134 5 months ago
good stuff. i felt that way on the cozmikzen channel, that there was a lot i knew that most people wouldnt understand, or flat out reject. now, i mainly speak to other freethinkers, so i dont feel the same limitations
TheAist 5 months ago
@TheAist Amen brother.
bamboo4tameshigiri 5 months ago
The U.S. education system was never good. The problem isn't that people have too much information, it's the opposite. Even idiots want to be correct and know the right answer, and there mind will attempt to rationalize a truth even if they aren't good at it. Also, your point implies that the human brain has a fixed intelligence. This is wrong. The plasticity of the brain attests to that. As I assume you know, the brain in most plastic in childhood, which is why education is so important.
Sabohaque 5 months ago
Interesting points. I think on the one hand you want everyone to have access to knowledge but on the other it can be dangerous in the wrong mind or hands. For example, if Hitler had the atomic bomb history may have turn out different. On another point, I have heard religious believers say this why god hasn't given us the cure for cancer, because we humans can't handle this knowledge, my reply normally is tell that to some dying from it.
lee1906 5 months ago
I know I always go back to how kids are raised but.... think about it. How many parents are willing to be open with their child? The child must follow their religion, follow their political ideologies, questioning your parents rules or views? Then the child is "back-talking". If a parent happens to be wrong? Good luck finding one that will admit that to their child. I think people are stupid and close-minded because that is how they are raised. It's a cycle.
UnschoolingEagle 5 months ago
But that said I think this is a good discussion because the observation that people operate on information that they clearly are not handling correctly or show competence in handling is definitely the case. But the only hope is to indeed try to increase that competency.
socrates856 5 months ago
The withholding information idea doesn't work, because obviously the problem is precisely that where no real information exist, bad, false, constructed "information" is inserted. That's pretty much the case with all the cases you mentioned. It's not like scientific racism came first and then people became racist. Racism was there and bad info is continued to be used to construct confirmation for the prejudices.
socrates856 5 months ago
it's always been my opinion that-- He who knows everything can learn nothing.
Opinions on topics are expressions of individual perspective. Yes, we should learn more and attempt to understand the world better. When we get to a point that we are confident in our knowledge, we tend to reject new information at that point. Any serious argument with a Ron Paul fanboy is proof of that :)
etzel33 5 months ago
@etzel33 I like what you're trying to get at though. Thanks for the vid.
etzel33 5 months ago
bruce lee: in order to taste me cup of tea u must empty yours. the usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. dont let ur pre-determined biases prevent u from learning new things
kaindrg 5 months ago
majority stupid, minority smart :D Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine. Nulla è reale, tutto è lecito, Nothing is true everything is permitted
kaindrg 5 months ago
assassins creed serise and deus ex. are good
kaindrg 5 months ago
I think the problem is that people will ignore & disregard information which does not conform with their sensibilities & then the resultant world view. Thus making them easy dupes for the misinformation provided by demagogues and hucksters. Withholding info would only make the misinformation more potent.
synapsidJ 5 months ago
On your devil's advocate position. Its circular nature is off putting, the knowledge the teacher holds was developed, and stands on the shoulders of people who had only a minor understanding of it. I think only on very specific topics where a motivation is overwhelming that will skew the interpretation of that introductory information, might it somehow be justified. Otherwise making that assumption would drastically slow/stop any new knowledge in that field.
Dem212 5 months ago
Im sorry sage, normaly i wouldnt be so agressive with you, but in regards to this topic, everybody is wrong, that includes me, however i look at it from a logical standpoint, we (as a species) know CRAP all about how we work, nobody can say they "know" becuase they simply dont
For all we know, our brain "power" was at its limits 2 eras ago and whats happening now is a forced evolution were totaly destroys the original path
Nobody knows the answer, that includes me
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 ... so basically, you're saying that even though people have measured activity in the brain, which lead to the consensus that certain parts of the brain control certain functions, activities, and thought processes, it is foolish to relate the fact that we do use all of our brains? If so, I can't agree with your point. Sure, we don't know it all, but there are things we DO know.
Also, there isn't really a "peak" to be reached in evolution. There is no set goal for organisms to reach.
Swordsage 5 months ago
@Swordsage How can you say there is no peak for evolution? just look at our own species, the whole thing of "Survival of the fittest" and all that crap, sadly even i have to say, that is the peak
The goal in which you speak is one we have fought for since the very beggining (as to where that goal leads us... well thats anybodies guess)
As to the topic at hand, People can watch and watch and watch all they wish, but thats not gonna change anything if there only talking guess's at it
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 If we are at the peak as you say, then your point about our brains being able to evolve further in the future is invalid. If we are at the peak, then there is no further development to be had.
Evolution is a process of adaption; it does not have a detailed set plan, nor an end goal of some kind of "finished model." Whatever environment an organism happens to be developing in over a long period of years determines the outcome, which is an ongoing process, not a finite one.
Swordsage 5 months ago
@Swordsage Which is exactly my point sage
we arent at the peak, therefore it is impossible to be using 100%
its like... take a glass, any glass, now that glass is 100%, chop that glass down to 10% of its original size, now try fill it with water upto 100%, does it work? hell no
Excuse the sudo example but i think u get my point
Although that is taking into account that we have a peak at some point, which as u kindly pointed out, we dont, therefore the possibilites are ENDLESS
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 The result of evolution doesn't imply something "better" from our perspectives. That's a common misunderstanding. It implies what is advantageous for surviving enough to pass on genes given the environment. If for example we were forced completely underground for some reason, a very different set of traits would become advantageous. And we could develop in an entirely different direction.
Dem212 5 months ago
@Dem212 Yes, hence "Survival of the fittest"
We procreate we eachother passed on this alone, what our minds tell us is that this woman and man has what our DNA needs, an advantage to .. lets say a disese or over a curtain type of illness
I do understand this, please dont talk to me like im an idiot, i know most people are, that doesnt mean everybody is
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@Dem212 Yes, hence "Survival of the fittest"
We procreate we eachother passed on this alone, what our minds tell us is that this woman and man has what our DNA needs, an advantage to .. lets say a disese or over a curtain type of illness
I do understand this, please dont talk to me like im an idiot, i know most people are, that doesnt mean everybody is
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
Also, slitly off topic
Reading two posts by two differant people and only replying to one, doesnt help.....
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 Not sure what you mean... I'm replying to yours because I saw points in it that I felt were somewhat confusing, since they didn't really counter my point the way you thought it did, and also because I don't think you understand evolution as well as you think you do, since you claim there is a peak that evolution pushes organisms towards. The other posts aren't expressing any counter points towards what I said... so I don't understand what your point is here.
Swordsage 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 Also, I don't know why you're bringing up future potential as a way to counter my point. This isn't about the possible evolution of the human brain down the line. This was about how the human brain is in the present. And in the present, the myth about us only using 10% of it is just that: a myth. Bringing up possible abilities in the future doesn't change that.
Swordsage 5 months ago
@Swordsage The future has everything to do with it, the fact that there is a possibility of (at some point) we will have a "greater power" of you will, means that our brains as of now are not at there max, which in turn makes that 10% deal right
its current state isnt 100%, so if IT isnt at 100% how the hell are we using at 100%
Im sorry, but logicaly, that makes no sense
I hope you can follow that
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 Actually our brains pretty much are at their max given the rest of our bodies. The brain already consumes a large majority of our energy. And we are fully using the organ as it is. If we didn't use parts of our brains as they are, those areas would actually die.
Dem212 5 months ago
@Dem212 "those areas would actually die"
I point at the human race as a whole when i say this
No duh!
Sorry to sound sacastic but... take a good long look at the human race and as yourself "Has afew parts of our brains melted away?"
Also i apologize if im a very confusing person, it seems to come natural :p
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 Speak for yourself and stop arguing from ignorance. You are actually saying this: "I do not understand, therefore no one understands" and that is fallacious.
bamboo4tameshigiri 5 months ago
I notice one thing here, your preaching to others about using 10% or not using 10% and blah, but then go on to say that we still dont fully understand how the brain works and yet then we loop back to your point about people talking shit about stuff they dont know
So... how long have you been studying the brain for?
Heres FACT for you Sage
Humanity has yet to reach evolutionary peak, therefore its safe to assume that the brain can evolve into something far beyond what we have now, correct? good
VegetaFH1 5 months ago
@VegetaFH1 We don't need to fully understand how the brain works to know how much is being activated in daily use. It doesn't take much research to realize that old wives' tail is false.
Your idea of a "peak" in evolution is strange. Theoretically our environment could change to where lesser brain function(for a lesser need for energy), or different brain function was much more advantageous. I wouldn't call that a "peak", tho it could be highly advantageously for that environment.
Dem212 5 months ago
It's sad how quick people pick up that 10% of the brain thing and run with it without checking into it. A portion of the motivation for doing so is really self-serving. People don't as readily accept an unenjoyable and emotionally unfulfilled concept with so little evidence. When you are talking about being introduced to an idea and considering it just based on that introduction, it seems our most primitive desires are the first to be appealed to if allowed unchecked.
Dem212 5 months ago