Birth of Libertarians: Libertarian Fascist Coup Against FDR: Yesterday's Libertarian

[perdondaris]

The constitution expressly says government should reflect "a more perfect union" (i.e. progress) and the writers of the Constitution intended progress by government in tandem with the representation of all people--no matter how lucky or successful they may be in life (or weak or strong). The founding fathers (like the socialist movement) were not of one mind has to how to create a more perfect union. Socialism isn't about creating a perfect utopia but the representation of everyone in society.

[hm4steve]

I must admit there is nothing that Liberty and libertarianism have in common. I am a moderate more or less but the extreme right and tea party frighten more than the extreme left. Much, much more. Keep up the good work FoxMulderXFOxx!

[perdondaris]

To call the Democratic Party fascist is laughable. When the fascists came to power elections ended. Obama did not end free elections. Mussolini did. The Tea Partiers are not fascists, however their ideas on government and society would lead to fascism. Do nothing, see nothing, hear nothing government would have to resort to authoritarianism to maintain itself (e.g. Shay's Rebellion, Latin American dictators) or become a victim of authoritarianism (e.g. Fascism in classically liberal Europe).

[WNxShisno]

REALLY? You think LaRouche and Paul are the children of the A.L.L?

You do know the actual ALL is now known as the American Enterprise Institute, correct?

You've taken a lot of "liberties" with the truth in your video description, that's for sure! I had a good laugh, thank you.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@WNxShisno

where have i "taken liberties with the truth in my video description"?

[WNxShisno]

@FoxMulderXFOxx

Larouche is not a Libertarian, he's a more moderate leftist.

Again, I say: "The ALL became the American Enterprise Institute". An institution which both men revile.

Also, you can't quote someone whom seized true wealth from the people in an economic statement (FDR). Social Security, Medicare, et. all should be 100% VOLUNTARY, with a clear path to removing yourself from the program. Any money paid to the point stays in the system, but you no longer have to pay.

[WNxShisno]

@WNxShisno

I'm tired of having my paychecks raided for a system that is supposedly in so much trouble, and possibly collapsing before I'm even close to retirement.

[trashcarcass]

@WNxShisno  I agree with you completely! There is nothing resembling libertarianism, here! Corporatism has NOTHING to do with libertarianism! They keep confusing free market capitalism with corporatism. This was a great movie, but your title of this sequence, FoxMuldererXFOxx, is WRONG!

[zenbrenzz]

The birth of the Ron Paul Cult..they can't tell you much about him, except they love the utopia he paints. He is a 90 yr old racist, who doesn't believe in evolution!

He is a lot like Hitler, only dumber.

[MiracleMile90]

God bless Gen. Smedley G. Butler. Had it not been for him, fascism could very well have taken over this country for a time.

[ndgreen1]

i'm so happy that people aren't as idiotic and bigoted as the creator of this movie.

[adamsfall]

@minnesotastategop Corporations are so much more trustworthy! 

[adamsfall]

@minnesotastategop Yeah! And don't forget, Canada, France, Sweden, Britain and all those Gulags they have there.

[loudotdinevski]

Q: Is it fascism when corporations run the government?

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@loudotdinevski

no. that is Corporatism. Corporatism is horrible but not as bad at Fascism. Fascism is when big businesses (privately owned by Capitalist Conservatives who Deregulate and privatize public institutions) run a weakened government to keep the government and public capital weak and keep raiding public capital and privatizing all government, public capital, all public industry and destroy all Labor union power like Hitler & Mussolini did.

that is Fascism.

[MiracleMile90]

@FoxMulderXFOxx: Don't forget the use of discrimination, social race-based hierarchies and sometimes, religious fanatics as well.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@loudotdinevski

but when government runs Corporations or owns or operates big businesses, that's the polar opposite of Fascism.

that's Socialism. Socialism isnt as bad as Fascism. Socialism can be in varying degrees.

unlike Fascism, Socialism is good for society the more there is except when it gets to a certain degree that too much control and then it damages society. like when no private industry is left.

[Denverlibertarion]

@FoxMulderXFOxx So rounding up opponents and sending them to gulags, government brainwashing children to be obedient illiterate factory workers slaves, starving millions through failed government management of food supply and state control of industry the media ETC is the opposite of fascism? WTF!! What planet have you been on?

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@Denverlibertarion

gulags are Soviet, not Nazi.

Nazis had work camps & death camps.

authoritarian & totalitarian government are policies for any political group, Left or Right (and Far Right . . . Libertarian)

strong effective government (or efficient but sadistic if without democracy in society ) is neither Left or Right.

the measure of Left - Right isnt government or lack of.

Conservatives & Liberals (and Libertarians) all have big government. they just have different priorities & intentions.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@Denverlibertarion

all the things put with the list are general characteristics of any dictatorship whether Fascist Right or Marxist Socialist Left.

but Fascists dont do food management nor state control of media.

Fascists have private industry & business liberties to have their own media businesses that wealthy members operate willingly to promote loyalty.

illiterate factory worker slaves is only a Fascist Right way.

in Marxist Left, the workers are paid far better and are well educated ;-j

[ndgreen1]

@loudotdinevski

don't listen to him, he has no idea what he's talking about.

socialism and even keynsianism depends on the premise that there is a class of people that know better than you, the consumer, or you, the business owner. they contol the economics of a country via prices, means of production, etc, and set arbitrary quotas and enforce them at gunpoint. it's is only maintained by jackbooted thugs (research FDR's NRA).

socialism is evil!

just look at the USSR, Cuba and the rest!!

[phospholipasec]

Holy shit... Lyndon LaRouche is not Libertarian in the least. He believes in a heavily regulated economy, National credit system. He is 100 % FDR style government...So, for the sake of honesty and integrity, perhaps remove that?

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@phospholipasec

why is Lyndon LaRouche so intimately associated/involved with Ron Paul, Tea Party "Patriots", Libertarians and anti-govt Far Right NWO 911 conspiracy? if he agrees with even some of their economics, i don't categorize him as Leftist but fake Progressive!

Far Right mole with extremist paranoid delusional batshit (plot to kill 80% of people with pandemic) to discredit the Left, attract Liberals to NWO conspiracy shit so Far Right and Tea Party "Patriots" convert them to Far Right.

[ahoyhoy79]

last time i went thru the video, smedley butler said it was a "FASCIST" plot.

taking a leaf from stalinist DOUBLE SPEAK ARE WE?

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

who is that comment to, me or one of the Far Right free market fascists?

[3055DOG]

@FoxMulderXFOxx - Fascists, by definition, believe in govt. control of private enterprise.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@3055DOG

no.

that's Marxists, Communists & some Socialists that believe in Govt control of private enterprise & industry.

Fascists believe in Privatization, Gold Standard, weak Govt legislature dominated by private Business interests, weak Govt but strong Authoritarian rule, weak Labor (no Labor Unions) Deregulation/Unregulated private enterprise.

only "govt" control in Defense/Weapons/War preparation (clearly seen in Nazi films) military funding, education & Conservative social conditioning.

[3055DOG]

@FoxMulderXFOxx - No, they don't.

From Webster:

Main Entry: fas·cism

Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

They believe in govt control of the economy by force or coercion.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@3055DOG

that is the extremely generalized definition of any Dictatorship, whether Capitalist, Socialist, Marxist or Communist.

look up Fascism in the Encyclopedia Britannica for an acceptably thorough and comprehensive definition.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

Amer Libertarian obsess over the Constitution & attack others they claim violate it or any who dare want govt to intervene financially for individual citizens over Private property or Businesses, as anti-Democratic, while Libertarians "defend" individual liberty & prosperity, is very disingenuous (less than genuine) by the unnecessarily over the-top over-emphasis they'd never violate the Constitution & alone are the obedient authority.

as Shakespeare's play said,

"He doth protest too much."

[stantheman42069]

libretarians are proconstitution not comunists

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@stantheman

yes. some libertarians are pro-Constitution.

but most American Libertarians (Conservative Far Right ex-Republican or Republican leaning Milton Freidman or Ron Paul "Tea Party" kind who hate moderate Republicans) neither understand history, especially American history, political science, economics, finance nor sociology enough to know what they're following and they are most certainly NOT pro-Constitution but merely in words, not in their ideology, intent or actions.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

@stanth

American Libertarians over-emphasize their obsession with the Constitution, celebrate Liberty, Individualism, Personal Responsibility & Private Property protection (property rights always win over Human & Civil rights).

mere faux-populist, theoretic, hollow words, when implemented into real life policies.

like the Nazis, Anarcho-Capitalists who only protect Private Property, Big Business & immense wealth of Prussian-German aristocrats from losing $ to Jews, govt regulation or Welfare.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

like Amer Libertarians, Nazis hated welfare.

Hitler never did a Welfare state, especially not for Working Poor "Weaklings", he'd rather massacre than give welfare.

Nazis only did "welfare" for Defense-War business, education-propaganda & media-censoring.

Nazis copied off of the legendary genuine populist compassionate warmth & authentic socio-economic class passions of Leftists, Democratic Socialists & Liberals by sounding populist & revolutionary, the way Leftists genuinely were.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

but as with all Far Right Conservatives who only protect big business & Aristocratic interests, both Nazis & American Libertarians fail to understand struggle of Working Class, out of touch & clueless trying to sound like they "get it".

like when suburban Whites try Hip Hop or try to be like Blacks from the projects.

they're so used to luxury privilege or aspiring to be millionaire like English-German-Norman-blooded Conservative Evangelical hypocrite jet setter socialite/country club.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

regular libertarians like Noam Chomsky are very pro-Constitution/Liberty.

but they're not Anarcho-Capitalist or deregulation Milton Freidmanite.

none of these are Communist. neither American Libertarians nor regular libertarians. not Liberals, nor Leftists, nor Progressives, nor Democrats. understand the difference?

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

Fascists are opposed to all social programs especially income tax, income equality, regulation of non-defense private industry and business.

Classical Liberalism used in the last 40 years has been to do the opposite of protecting the individual's rights except for the strongest, cutthroat, ruthless and wealthiest individuals only. as it pretends to encourage entreprenuer free enterprise of struggling individual to become wealthy yet denying them welfare stability and financial independence.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

Liberal Social Democratic policies are policies of Modern Liberalism, not Socialism.

it is Modern liberalism of Leftist economic social equality of the individual, using welfare, income tax and income distribution that Mussolini Fascism and all Fascism was opposed to.

Mussolini and Classical liberalism are compatible to Fascism. all Fascists embraced Laissez-Faire economics of deregulation, no intervention except in Defense industry and no efforts to prevent class income inequality.

[IcarusMoonsight]

Have you read John Locke's Second Treatise of Government? Or any of Adam Smith's works in economy? Ludwig von Mises classified Fascism as a mixed economy, private wealth derived from public risk and socialist elements for example, the government having control over the structure of production.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

Fascism only does control of Defense and Military rate of production but not the rest of the economy except when it violates their extreme Socially Conservative paranoid racist Social Darwinism and "Survival of the Fittest" "Pull Yourself Up By Your Boot Straps mein herr!" policies.

otherwise they dont control the market at all except cut taxes on the Wealthy, violate Civil Liberties and Human Rights when it get in the way of their priorities and eliminate Immigrants and Labor Unions.

[MemeScythe]

The only reason they only intervene in the defense industry, is because the main purpose of the state is to defend private property. Look at the US military's annual budget compared to other countries around the world.

[tenagliac]

I see it as the new colonialism. Corporations settle in areas to employ/control people. This is no more evident than when one is unemployed. Suddenly you have no income, no value, no health insurance (care). You are nobody unless you have a job.

Nations, bankrupt from wallstreet bail outs are hard pressed to assert their laws and sovreignty over corporations. Corporations say they are global, owning no national allegiance.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

perfectly said. you get 1000 stars. Thanks

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

i'm no "retard on a mission". i'm trying to help confused individuals sort thru Right-wing lies + fear-mongering. teach them history they missed in school because of poor education or partying so they know Right-wing Libertarian ideology is repackaged, re-marketing 21st century version of 1930's German Nazi Free Market Fascist Anarcho-Capitalist fake revolution, repeated using Leftist populist-sounding Democratic phrases but lacking all Liberal substance but instead defends the wealthiest few.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

primitive market trade existed before Capitalism started in the 1800's. exchange + bartering is trade of goods, services or both. that's what you refer to. it evolved into Capitalism in the Industrial Revolution.

i'm no retard. research it.

i'm educated especially in history, archaeology, economics + political science. i follow SCIENCE, FACTS, INDUCTIVE Reasoning, evidence supported data, not gut-feeling assumptions, like you Right-wing Libertarian "Free" Market dipshits do.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

Capitalism was a product of the "Industrial Revolution" of 1840's - 20th century.

Industrialization started manufacturing production so advanced, it progressed industry to a new technological plateau in society.

mass transit + mass production started in Europe. the U.S. established some later in 1800's.

that's the essence of the birth of "Capitalism". economic growth before 1890's America wasn't "Free Market Capitalism" but were gradual steps toward it.

you didn't learn this in school!?

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

Nazis were anti-intellectuals and Right-wing Crony Capitalists. like Libertarians, they demonized higher education, mainstream media, academia because public education, all public and private news was viewed as propaganda by Communists, Jews, Free-masons and Socialists.

Nazis dismantled government funding for universities, public education except bare minimum, censored news with Ministry of Propaganda.

Dr. Josef Goebbels, like Dr. Ron Paul (both "doctors") was the only news source allowed.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

your understanding of economics, history, politics and common sense are lacking and disturbing.

your understanding of President Barack Obama's agenda and intent is completely absent and shows a sad grasp of reality that is minus zero stupidity and resistant to anything approaching high school level history or political science.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

you can't be against Corporate monopolies and Big Business when you are for the very economic policies that directly cause corporate monopoly mergers and trusts that become Fascism.

de-regulation, tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, low capital gains, low estate taxes, Laissez-Faire unbridled "Free" market Capitalism, tiny government are what leads to Corporate monopolies and Fascist despotism.

the corrupt lawlessness that such policies create is what causes Crony Fascist Capitalism.

[ourpangea]

so your saying the constitution was an attempt to set up a facist state as well. because that was originally a free market document.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

no, to the Constitution Fascist batshit.

you confuse "Free Market Capitalism" with Liberty + Democracy, as if Democracy always = Capitalism + they're inseparable, mutually exclusive. they aren't.

you confuse Democracy with a Republic + vice-versa.

you confuse unbridled Laissez-Faire Capitalism with Democracy.

you confuse True Free Market Capitalism (with oversight, rules + regulations) with your extremist Anarchy-Capitalism Lawlessness + Plutocracic Royalist social darwinism + Corporatism.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

your ignorance staggers my imagination to call U.S. Constitution a "Free Market" document. wtf?

it had nothing to do with economics, Capitalist or otherwise. not your warped Plutocratic Anarchy chaotic notion of "Free" Market Capitalism certainly.

it had to do with establishing GOVERNMENT framework, GOVERNMENT SYSTEM, LAWS to obey in a new form of government + society, free of hundreds of forms of oppression + tyranny, not just taxation. Capitalism didn't arrive until the end of the 1800's.

[FoxMulderXFOxx]

Independent Leftist Liberal-leaning scientific intellectually inclined Libertarians, i respect as intellectual equals.

but i have zero respect for ignorant stubborn Anti-intellectual thought patterns + delusions of Right-wing Libertarians who frighten me because they're so distorted, deranged + clearly a softened, camouflaged attempt at re-marketing version 3.0 of Nazi Racist Free Market Capitalist Anarchy Paranoia + Social Darwinist "Survival of the Fittest" defense of the wealthiest few.

[alvindalvin]

scarry but so true.