The teacher teaches his students the techniques and tell the students not to hurt his attacker(s), but it is up to the students. Some of them learn martial arts to go pick fights and hurt people. If you use Aikido techniques to hurt your attacker that means you used it wrong. The founder was a spiritual man and very good in many martial arts including judo, jujitsu, sword, spear, etc...He had compassion for people that's why he came up with Aikido as a truly soft art if done right.
@andydidyouhear Like he said with the 'bleed the energy off', the attacker's balance is unstable for that split second, so making a second punch may be easy, but it's not going to be as effective or accurate as it should. In that second, twisting under the arm happens, and it puts the attacker into a bad offensive position, which is more or less already a subdued one. It may seem slow, but he's doing it really slowed down, but people who have practiced Aikido for years can do this in a flash.
ALL these comments against Aikido is making me ill. Take what is useful and throw away what you don't agree with OR, find this teacher's class and tell him what he is doing wrong. Better yet find the GRANDMASTERS he has learned from and tell them they taught him wrong. I'm sure they'll be glad to demonstrate on you FULL SPEED in front of their black-belt students 0_0
the important thing of aikido is that the attacker can't reach you and can't attack you and you have to follow your opponent's attack and use it against him
idk...it seems like it would take incredible timing that most people just dont have to land this move...this is a move you would have to spend many hours with in order to be able to properly land it in a practical setting
Aikido looks cool I do kyokushin karate I am a 4th kyu karateka I know self defence moves but Aikido looks awesome..I would like to study some aikido too.
What is your opinion about aikido? can you use it on the street?
This sensei is doing sank-yo totally wrong, the grip is not supposed to be like that. You have to grab the attackers thumb as well. If you do it this way the opponent can actually grab and revers the technique. Thanks!
a good reason not to go to ground, is it is not effective against multiple assailants. This does not mean im discounting ground work/bjj, bjj is a very effective system which has been proven time and time again.
@ZeGervasio I dont think youve "proven me wrong" UFC does not allow manipulation of the wrists; whether they are easily defendable is subjective and I find them very effective. What Royce Gracie or his brothers do on video is irrelevant unless theyre in a professional MMA competition with the new rules in play. I know that the Gracies set up UFC with virtually no rules to prove the effectiveness of BJJ, which is formidable, don't get me wrong, you just can't discount the value of aikido either
@ ZeGervasio: practically NO MMA fighters spend time on Aikido for a number of reasons. First, this technique(like many in aikido) involves manipulation of the wrist, which is banned in most MMA venues under the "small joint manipulation" clause. 2nd aikido doesn't do terribly well against combination strikes, which is essentially what mma is. 3rd, Aikido means the way of peace/harmony and there's not much of either in mma, so most aikidoka don't bother with it on a philosophical level.
small joint refers to fingers and toes, look at royce gracie vs akebono. So for cops and dealing with drunks is what you're saying it is good for but not good if you want to protect your family from someone trying to throw "combination strikes" And about subduing an out of control drunk, i would use Judo to take him down and BJJ to control him which is far more effective than Aikido if you think about it. I may be wrong but does aikido go in to the intricacies of top moutn, back mount, side etc
we established that you are wrong,wrist locks are allowed in professional mma organizations and are also allowed in the most prestigious SUBMISSIon grappling tournaments and are also EXTREMELY rare, why? because they are very low percentage, easy to defend locks. If you watch the video Gracie in Action, it shows how the Gracie family showed they could challenge any other martial art and beat them in hand to hand combat check out "rorion gracie vs taekwondo black belt challenge" interesting vid
@goshinryujiujitsu2 - can you show me the comment i made you are replying to with that rule? Oh i get it you are one of the ignorant individuals that think mma means ufc. And you couldn't come up with a better reason not to go to the ground besides there could be glass on the ground at a bar.
@ZeGervasio a good reason not to go to ground, is it is not effective against multiple assailants. This does not mean im discounting ground work/bjj, bjj is a very effective system which has been proven time and time again.
@ZeGervasio i respect your opinion and you make interesting points but let me tellyou when are receiving sankyo is nothing nice! when somebody puts you sankyo you are not going to do to much of nothing, unless you can turn your brain off to the pain you are going down. Besides fights on the streets take place anywhere you can't go to ground all of the time.Example a gravel parking lot like in some clubs have glass on the gravel you can injure your self!
Can anyone show a mma fight where this technique is used or even close to being pulled off? Becasue if it is so easy to catch a puch and "easily slip through the doorway" 0:56 why arn't more moves like this used in street fights or mma fights?
Police have to use wrist locks during an arrest and there on the street more often than not. It's best to be used when you want to control someone and minimize the damage done. Another good example would be to use this on a drunk friend or family member that has stepped out of line. You wouldn't use muay thai on him now would you? And I'm sure he'll thank you when he sobers up ;]
Another bad instructor video from a trainer who doesn't grasp the aikido principles and never has trained with opponents that block. Bleeding off the momentum of the attack is good but then that little shock will put the opponent right back in the game and let him take control again.
what kind of aikido i have to learn and use to be shure that i can protect my self...and to be shure that i am doing the same style like steven seagal is using for defending himself?
How easily people will lash out against what they do not or can not comprehend. I wish all the internet tough guys would get over the fact that millions of people study thousands of styles of martial arts and many of those styles actually can serve as defensive styles in a street situation. No one art dominates all others, no one person will beat all others. We train how we feel we need to, let it be just that.
I'm deleting any further comments that come to my email from this video since it will obviously be LNLNLNLN running his mighty internet tough guy mouth.
good comment. the only thing anyone can really do is train, train, train. the great thing about hard training is not the physical aspect of it, to me. it's that when you train hard you feel like there is nothing that life can throw at you that you can not handle.
i will list flaws i see. The attacker throws the sloppiest lead hook a brown belt has ever thrown. The defender would get smashed by the rear straight if he turned into it like that. You are never going to get under my arm, wont let you extend me like that - how? proper punching to begin, dynamic foot work, and a good center of balance. Aikido students must endeavor to broaden their art so that they understand the strength and weakness of well trained strikers.
Of course, the opposite of this (in this context) is nikyo. LOTS of pain, with really very little likelihood of damage.
When my nephew gets annoying, I give him a quick nikyo. lol. I look at it like pressing a pressure point... except you're twisting an entire row of pressure points.
Though i agree that from a scale of 1 to 10 this is performed at about a 5, but most times 5 is all you need.
Dont be to harsh on him because to be frank about it, he is willing and daring to share his knowledge and to help people who do not have access to better instructions and that is priceless.
I am sure that since he published this he went back and corrected his technique and we all are the better for it.
Dont judge a mans fighting spirit by his ability to teach what he knows.
Indeed... he was moving from his arms, not his center. And he was off-balance himself quite a bit... but, there will always be imperfections! There's no such thing as a "perfect" technique, therefore, even when this technique is done "perfectly," there will still be flaws.
Notice, the lock comes from guiding the hand in on itself at 0:36. This twisting is what makes the lock.
I like the atemi, but the initial step has a distance that worries me. The motions are nice and tight like small circle jujutsu, but there seems to be a lot missing.
I understand this is basic demonstration of 'sterile' waza - I am just hoping that actual students would be shown the missing pieces.
No, you jackass, "You're" in itself is a short form of "You are". "Your " isn't the short form of anything, other than an acronym for "You're Obtuse, Uneducated, Retarded.
::cough:: Your judgement is a little off, sir. "your" is indeed a word. I can understand your confusion, but you're wrong this time. In the days of yore you're only entitled to your opinion.
true, but a couple things to remember: if you went to punch someone in the face and they were experianced enough to get that far through, your probobly surprised as fuck and thinking "oh shit, this dude knows karate"
that and if he twisted his body to reach the other mans face, it woukd twist his wrist and arm even more which= PAIN
and if he threw another punch u would dodge it. dont forget it happens so fast that A, the attacker wouldnt know whats happening. B the defenders position will be so that it is an awkward angle so hat the attacker cant get to him
that was a left hook and he only did a left hook so you could see the technique if he did a quick one two he would use a differrent technique and he would have had enough training to do that at a speed to quick for the attacker to counter.
And remember this is a DEMONSTRATION of the technique principle, not a "street application"...
Aikido techniques have a long history, and I'm pretty amazed when I see someone making fun of them just by looking at a short video. Real lack of curiosity, here !
quite true, but usually in the case of left hand attack the defending guy has to use his own atemi (strike) to prevent the attack from the right hand.
so, as it has been told, this is just a principle, not a street technique.
Yepp, and then the Krav Maga practitioner would walk away with a broken wrist. Aikido is meant to NOT injure the enemy... but can indeed be very painful.
@GodsavetheQOTSA its ment to break your stuff nobody goes with your teckneck on the street they will fight it and their shoulder will pop out of place
Total balls, you will never do this.. Like most of these videos and most of the classes people pay far too much for, the reality is that these scenarios only occur in a gym or the room the instructor is in.. Carry a knife.
man...you talk ballshit...this one you can`t do it in real fight but much other tricks you can do it and works...so just go at aikido and see it there...AND IF YOU KNOW ALL VERRY GOOD YOU CAN DO ANYTHING
ya u can alot of martial arts are like u said tho.not likely to happen.for instance takewando alot of stuff in there is unlikely but more simple martial arts like braizilan jujitsu and aikido are pretty realistic you just have to practice so it gets in your muscle memory
ok then go attack an aikido master and get some 1 to tape it it will be funny, until then you are a faggot, to redeem your self you must get that video
Extremely professional presentation but missing details. The person is not dead nor is his other arm which would punch you in the side of your head or a head butt because you are too close to him. Also arms are not extended and the man was never off balance.
His elbow better be higher than your shoulder to maintane control of him and make sure you have his thumb instead of your hand in his hand where he can close his hand around yours in your example. But all in all, Pretty good.
I teach jiu-jitsu and this comment is often mentioned when I teach this technique. The response I have for that is that the teaching is alot slower than the actual technique. There are also "distractions" delivered to the assailant (in my style) that keep the assailant off balance both mentally and physically. It is a very good technique if applied correctly, excellent demo and great observations nrtito107
This is not jujitsu and the concepts in jujitsu are totally different thats why this technique will not work!
I understand that this is a concept and not actually a technique. But it should have been developed further before presenting it as a technique.
A real puch has force on impact and another one usually comming from another hand pretty soon. The direction that he is turning lines him up with the right cross.
Good points, there does seem to be a lot missing from this sankyo.
My primary art is heavy on the karatejutsu and jujutsu, so I was pleased when the aikido I learned contained a lot of atemi and very strong locks.
The main thing that worries me in this demo is the distance and like you mentioned the lack of extension. It is both vulnerable and not taking advantage of the potential the way good physics should.
I don't like this explanation at all because it's not done at full speed also. He changes his flow a couple times... I KNOW aikido principles CAN be effective... but I don't think this can be done without the attacked stopping and allowing all the steps to be done slowly. The breakdown's important also... but we need to see it at full speed.
It depends on the energy you feed in. Like most aiki techniques, you CAN do this gently. Even at full speed, you can "not hurt your uke." This is "proper." However, like most Aiki techniques, you have the option of doing it "wrong" and you can cause a LOT of damage, even at half speed.
In a perfect aiki world, the attacked (uke) should not feel any pain at all. That's not... realistic. But, that's "the goal."
Yes... a good hook punch won't just be "stopped" in it's tracks that way... his explanation was off. You "Join" with uke's energy, you don't "stop it" ... that requires work... Aikido is for lazy pacifists. Like me.
Aiki does NOT require weak attacks to work against. That's when aiki looks fake. Stronger attacks just mean more energy redirected... aikidokas attack pretty weak because we know the stronger we punch, the harder we hit the ground.
Try punching forward... but don't stop punching forward... but don't move your feet... eventually you fall over.
Try throwing a punch in the air. You extend, and at a point, you have to stop pushing forward to not fall down. in Aiki, we don't counter your punch... we stop you from stopping your punch. The more energy you put into the punch, the easier it is for us to not let you stop your punch.
Even after my 15 years of martial arts training and multiple black belts (including shodan nishio ryu aikikai..) I never was able to figure out how that worked..
Or, did I misunderstand your statement... I assumed you meant that hook punches in general can't be dealt with without hurting Uke? Were you just critiquing this application of sonkyo? Like most, sonkyo can do damage if done improperly. Shihonage can EASILY dislocate shoulders if you get in the way of them falling. Kotegaeshi can cause spiral fractures if done improperly.
I agree, each can be done improperly, but each can be done at full speed safely too.
Aikido is a way of understanding and self improvement not just beating people up.. meeting force with harmony rather than force with force. Those that call it stupid and say it wont work are missing the point and are too immature to grasp the concept of "The Way Of Harmony" go to a class or learn about somethin before you criticize it. Enter like the triangle, move as a circle with a base as the square.
i'm practicing kyokushin.and i love it...you know why??? because it's FUNCTIONAL!!!if someone attacks me in the street i can use it and break his head...it's not just a sport,IT'S A MARTIAL ART!!!
The point of aikido isn't to beat the living shit out of someone. It's to use their moves against them and being able to get away. have you ever taken a class on aikido?
This is a demonstration. I'ts not supposed to be at full speed anyway. Have you looked at indeedtheDANE's comment? that pretty much sums it up.
oohh..ok..sorry...maybe i jumped to conclusions...no i haven't take an aikido class..i'm practicing kyokushin...yesterday i got the silver medal in the greek kyokushin cup!!!
Part of the movement, is moving *into* the punch and basically taking control of the wrist. As the instructor demonstrates, once you close the gap and obtain control of the arm, you can easily throw them off balance if they have not done so already. I've seen the punch "pulled" in its direction of movement from the defender, which helps move into the punch and close the gap faster while throwing the attacker off balance.
i practice aikido for quite a while and this guy is making small yet quite fatal error. Notice how he grabs the hand for sankyo. His thumb has no control over the uke's thumb and hand. So uke (the attacker) can simply close his hand and the it is tug-of-war contest. Brute force, not aikido. And belive, that kind of "bleeding" punches works 1 in 20 tries on a boxer or some punch based martial artist. They are simly too quick + that position is begging for an right hand uppercut. And that's a KO.
I studied this for a while..and trust me...when someone does aikido on you--the pain and pressure they exert is unimaginable. It takes little effort do do this stuff to someone..I'm 120 pound 5'2'' female, and I can put my 6 foot 200 pound husband on the ground in less than 5 seconds..very powerful stuff!!
the real thing is way faster. attackers normally don't think they victim will know what to do, so when the victim does something it does 2 things to freeze them. 1, it shocks them, 2 the instant pain immobilizes them. those 2 things together leave an attacker dumbfounded and unable to think straight. so it may look like there are several escapes or things you could do, but when you're in that position there aren't.
Yes, i agree. But even when he is able to swing his free hand you just enlarge the presure on the sankyoed (wow.. what a word :P) hand. The pain will make him whant you to stop :)
it's a valid point, but keep in mind that most attackers don't count on their attack being reversed... it's not often you see someone attacking with both hands at the same time, normally they figure that an attack will be blocked or avoided, and that this gives them time for their second attack :) boy are they wrong
Sorry!!! The beginning of the technique it´s WRONG!!! Please, take care - PRINCIPLE. You must always protect the center. The two hands to control the yokomenuchi, bad option, the second hand must control the center or Uke can always punch your head with the other hand.....
Good video but get rid of the little "Shock" as it contributes a new energy turning you in the the attacker and opening up a weakness for counter-attack. Also, check your hand position of your right hand :19 seconds into the video... it should be more into the palm of his hand. Your fingers are more on the blade of uke's hand. This is VERY important on the lock. Something my teacher really drilled into my mind.
no. i sound like someone who spend my child hood being beaten and thus I've grown to know what actually works. it's my opinion, you don't have to agree w/ it.
but just know that I have been around and I HAVE traind in many DIFFERENT martial arts. I have scars which prove that you can't go into a joint lock straight off a punch.
My apologys, thought you may have been a troll just talking garbage about other arts. Have you ever heard of Geoff Thompson? Check out some of his material, he beleives in the pre-emtive strike and that this aspect is lacking in most traditional martial arts. I beleive Aikido and other arts can be used effective if you strike first, Geoff states " forget the block first then punch" because it never works, againts an experience brawler who will sucker punch you. running out of room here.
np man. yes i have. yeah if I know there is gonna b a conflict i try and end it first, don't even give my opponent a chance. yeah i know what ur saying.
I was actually involved in a light conflict yesterday w/ one of my friends.
But yeah all the hits i've taken as a little kid just built up hella good reflexes for me. People can't even land a roundhouse punch on me bcuz my guard flies up.
Do you cross train, 5batspriwo? I have enormous respect for Aikido, and can't wait to begin my training at the end of the month. However, I also discovered Kyokushin and think it would make a phenomenal offensive/pre-emptive striking art. I've been in a few fights myself, and understand offense can be crucial when you KNOW that someone is going to fight dirty; when you know you need to end a fight quickly. Just curious about how one effectively cross trains.
well not to bash the art, but aikido just doesn't cut it. In the real world, that flowery footwork and those elaborate joint locks don't work. I'm not bashing, I'm telling you from EXPERIENCE. I started fighting when I was 8...
When you cross train you develop not one style, but an entire arsenal of moves which you can rely upon in a fight. The result? You develop your own style based on what works for you.
Well, not to bash you, but you have no clue about the art. Aikido is about internalizing principles and developing freedom of motion. A missed strike becomes a lock, a failed lock becomes a strike. It is soft, it is hard, it is anything it needs to be. Those that never truly internalize Aikido will always keep it at an arm's length as "a bunch of techniques", and it will never be effective for them.
i know it's more than a bunch of techniques, and for months it's what i had and used in my arsenal. it's all passive. unless the other guy attacks you, you have nothing. and the way it's trained: so slow, w/out resistance or anything. no hard core training, no sparring.
I'll tell you right now mate: it's not that way on the street. It's a good art for staying fit, flexible and healthy, and a bit of self defense once you get higher up.
Me ? 8 years. Your statements give you out as someone who went for a few months, possibly a couple of years, and thought he "figured it all out". Aikido is pro-active, you initiate attacks, CUT, close openings, limit opponent response, and go with the flow. Resistance is gradually introduced past beginner levels, and speed comes much later. I used it against a guy who punched me, and I know a Russian boxer and two police officers who all used it in reality. Don't diss what you don't truly know.
well man if it takes 8 years to take something useful out of an art than i can't do it. after a week, only a week of Brazilian JuJitsu, i was actually able to effectively defend myself from wrestlers, and other "fighters."
Aikido didn't give me that.
My goal isn't to diss, but to point out that your training methods are outdated and ineffective. I know that military and police forces worldwide train in BJJ. Aikido just can't match the efficiency of the bigger, more aggressive grappling arts.
Nobody's asking you to study Aikido. Neither did I ever claim that Aikido matches the efficiency of other arts when sparring in the ring with trained athletes.
Thankfully, trained athletes are a very low percentage of population, and those of them who are out of control and go around picking fights with innocent people are even rarer.
not in the ring man. on the street. Aikido isn't like that. I'm all for cross training, it's what I've done; what I am doing. I strive to be well trained and well equiped in all aspects of fighting.
and dude: if u think your statistics r real, then you've never been out west. every kid out here growing up was some tough guy w/ a little bit of training who thought he had something to prove. They don't pick fights, but in everyday life, if u manage to piss one of them off, that's it.
I grew up in former Soviet Union, by the way. So don't tell me how tough your reality is. You're just paranoid and looking to spending most of your free time into intense training. I know your type.
I used to be like you. I thought the entire world was after me, and that ninjas would jump out of helicopters the moment I turn a corner. I grew out of it. So will you, one day.
If you learned your Aikido basics then you'd have known better than to use this video as a typical example that can be used for the whole of Aikido. The guy does not represent the art, yet you used this video to support your sweeping generalizations about Aikido.
You couldn't even spot the difference between this Youtube hack and a real instructor with martial technique.
Accusations of ignorance thrown from someone as "educated" as you are very funny. Thanks for lightening up my evening.
that's correct, man. But no, look at all of the Aikido videos on YT and elsewhere. It's always some out of control guy attacking a perfectly calm instructor, whilst offering no resistance.
SO now you question my credibility? Well believe it or not, this guy is a "master" and he is a fairly accurate representation of an Aikido Instructor. Find me some evidence which proves my theory of Aikido's passivity wrong, and I may reconsider.
Ur ignorant bcuz u find Aikido to have flawless technique.
I never said Aikido is flawless. People like you (MMA-brainwashed) always see things as black and white. I can point you to specific videos of how Aikido works perfect with full resistance, but your next argument will be "this doesn't look like Aikido". This will happen because you do not understand that it teaches you principles, not techniques. Or, you will recognize the person in the video and say that he lost to a Gracie. This means of course that he's worthless. So its a lose-lose battle.
You're implying that by ur statements. And u call me another name...
Fighting's like that: u r or u aren't. Kill or b killed. NO time for the wasted motions and elaborate techniques of Aikido.
SHow me the vids, don't try and predict my reaction cuz you've proven that u know nothing about me.
Well if he lost to a gracie then I guess Aikido isn't too much better than BJJ, is it? And it's u that call him worthless, not me. I'm just saying that he lost for a reason...
As for the aggressive statement, again its a sign that you have no clue what you're talking about. If you think of Aikido as passive art and try to use it that way, to come up to someone and try to get them into a wristlock, you will always fail. That is not Aikido. That is nothing.
aggressive statement? I'm just being frank w/ you. When it is practiced and performed, it's like a dance. I've heard it described as such.
You have too much faith in your art and you have not experimented enough, which makes you ignorant. I highly recommend that you cross train.
Aikido IS a passive art. It was designed as such. To go w/ a force instead of meeting it head on. Based on all I've seen and experienced, energy and time is wasted in useless motions that are completely unrealistic.
Well, you have no understanding of Aikido. You're very sure of yourself, but you continue spewing nonsense. The very first technique of Aikido already starts with meeting the opponent head-on, as do most others. They expose openings for knee and elbow strikes to ribcage and face, and it is nothing like a dance. Maybe you got traumatized at some hippie fruitcake dojo, in which case I am sorry for you.
wow, here comes the name calling. . . now u insult my dojo... immature of an 8 year practitioner. I know that based on many conducted experiments and reliable sources, Aikidokas can't handle the same encounters as can other types of artists. Aikido does NOT teach strikes realistically.
Realist striking = Muay Thai. Aikido isn't as successful as other martial arts bcuz it isn't as realistic as they r.
wow, u think i don't know Aikido, an art I first learning began 5 years ago?
I did not insult your dojo. I called you on your knowledge of Aikido, which is either very poor, or you're being purposely obtuse in order to troll this video. Either way, enough is enough, don't you think.
"hippie fruitcake?" I don't know about the USSR, but over her that's considered 2 b an insult.
Yeah I think we've been at it long enough. I mean c'mon mate: we're not ever actually fighting.
It's time that you recognize and acknowledge the flaws in your art, and perhaps for your own good you could do some cross training to make up for it...
No, trust me, I've been thinking it over for 5 years. And it's gotten me beaten up countless times. Esp when the other guy fights dirty. Aikido isn't real
It's funny how, in slowed down, practice techniques, this does'nt look real or possible.
But i did Aikido when i was 15 and when done in actual comp fights...it works very very well.
xTheuglytruthx 2 weeks ago
The teacher teaches his students the techniques and tell the students not to hurt his attacker(s), but it is up to the students. Some of them learn martial arts to go pick fights and hurt people. If you use Aikido techniques to hurt your attacker that means you used it wrong. The founder was a spiritual man and very good in many martial arts including judo, jujitsu, sword, spear, etc...He had compassion for people that's why he came up with Aikido as a truly soft art if done right.
DHL428 3 months ago
...and then u kick em in the face BLAM!
trulyBlakndheart 4 months ago
"""oH, and never mind the fact that he is in on this""" Most of this works, but when you arent trained at it, it easily fails.
gulbirk 5 months ago
works best with one armed opponents
rockstarr469 5 months ago
@rockstarr469 right....
TotalFreedom76 2 months ago
27 punchers don't like this video
mosqiuter 8 months ago
What if the attacker comes throwing a right punch? Your head seems exposed then!
andydidyouhear 1 year ago
@andydidyouhear Like he said with the 'bleed the energy off', the attacker's balance is unstable for that split second, so making a second punch may be easy, but it's not going to be as effective or accurate as it should. In that second, twisting under the arm happens, and it puts the attacker into a bad offensive position, which is more or less already a subdued one. It may seem slow, but he's doing it really slowed down, but people who have practiced Aikido for years can do this in a flash.
pasnew17 8 months ago
i'm am aikido master of the world!!!
yodaddyxx 1 year ago
@yodaddyxx good to know, good to know! :) peace.
ruteisabelmendes 6 months ago
ALL these comments against Aikido is making me ill. Take what is useful and throw away what you don't agree with OR, find this teacher's class and tell him what he is doing wrong. Better yet find the GRANDMASTERS he has learned from and tell them they taught him wrong. I'm sure they'll be glad to demonstrate on you FULL SPEED in front of their black-belt students 0_0
Genmasta 1 year ago
the important thing of aikido is that the attacker can't reach you and can't attack you and you have to follow your opponent's attack and use it against him
votskanon12 1 year ago
How important is forearm strength with this kind of fighting?
srsrsr2 1 year ago
@srsrsr2 not very but the more you have obviously the better
chevygearhead454 1 year ago
idk...it seems like it would take incredible timing that most people just dont have to land this move...this is a move you would have to spend many hours with in order to be able to properly land it in a practical setting
BillyHandsome 1 year ago
aikido doesn't work
Kanazawa88 1 year ago
@Kanazawa88 go to an aikido dojo and tell that to the sensei :)
Nathanroqs 1 year ago
@Nathanroqs i will, after kick his ass first
Kanazawa88 1 year ago
@Kanazawa88 sure :)
lpperalta1 1 year ago
@Kanazawa88 - You show poor attitude and no respect for other martial artists. It's a shame that your ego is so big. Best Wishes
chrisdolbeare 1 year ago
@Nathanroqs kanazawa is such an asshole...
Aikido looks cool I do kyokushin karate I am a 4th kyu karateka I know self defence moves but Aikido looks awesome..I would like to study some aikido too.
What is your opinion about aikido? can you use it on the street?
armagibson 6 months ago
@armagibson It can, but its better if you know another martial art as well since it's not a punching martial art.
Nathanroqs 6 months ago
@Nathanroqs yeah... I would like to train more self defense in kyo...
armagibson 6 months ago
This sensei is doing sank-yo totally wrong, the grip is not supposed to be like that. You have to grab the attackers thumb as well. If you do it this way the opponent can actually grab and revers the technique. Thanks!
sachbhat123 1 year ago
why cant these guys be in shape? most asian experts are
lmollot 1 year ago
so many sadistic men-another technique called "live in the women s village"-amen
lmollot 1 year ago
شكراً
shsh97com 1 year ago
what happened with the right hand? you strike with your left hand and the right hand just fly or what?
Rikonidas 1 year ago
sankyo and nikkyo hurt :P
sidorak900 1 year ago
a good reason not to go to ground, is it is not effective against multiple assailants. This does not mean im discounting ground work/bjj, bjj is a very effective system which has been proven time and time again.
Predator000 1 year ago 3
will it still work if he is like 3 stone heavy and he is stronger than u?
coolsam5000 1 year ago
@coolsam5000 how strong or heavy someone is dont makes a difference. But it will make it harder.
blackgodproductions 1 year ago
if he threw his right that old man would have went down...
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jujitsu16 2 years ago
@ZeGervasio I dont think youve "proven me wrong" UFC does not allow manipulation of the wrists; whether they are easily defendable is subjective and I find them very effective. What Royce Gracie or his brothers do on video is irrelevant unless theyre in a professional MMA competition with the new rules in play. I know that the Gracies set up UFC with virtually no rules to prove the effectiveness of BJJ, which is formidable, don't get me wrong, you just can't discount the value of aikido either
Gattawon 2 years ago
@ ZeGervasio: practically NO MMA fighters spend time on Aikido for a number of reasons. First, this technique(like many in aikido) involves manipulation of the wrist, which is banned in most MMA venues under the "small joint manipulation" clause. 2nd aikido doesn't do terribly well against combination strikes, which is essentially what mma is. 3rd, Aikido means the way of peace/harmony and there's not much of either in mma, so most aikidoka don't bother with it on a philosophical level.
Gattawon 2 years ago
small joint refers to fingers and toes, look at royce gracie vs akebono. So for cops and dealing with drunks is what you're saying it is good for but not good if you want to protect your family from someone trying to throw "combination strikes" And about subduing an out of control drunk, i would use Judo to take him down and BJJ to control him which is far more effective than Aikido if you think about it. I may be wrong but does aikido go in to the intricacies of top moutn, back mount, side etc
ZeGervasio 2 years ago
we established that you are wrong,wrist locks are allowed in professional mma organizations and are also allowed in the most prestigious SUBMISSIon grappling tournaments and are also EXTREMELY rare, why? because they are very low percentage, easy to defend locks. If you watch the video Gracie in Action, it shows how the Gracie family showed they could challenge any other martial art and beat them in hand to hand combat check out "rorion gracie vs taekwondo black belt challenge" interesting vid
ZeGervasio 2 years ago
@ZeGervasio joint locking not allowed this is UFC rule 8. Small joint manipulation. not allowed
goshinryujiujitsu2 1 year ago
@goshinryujiujitsu2 - can you show me the comment i made you are replying to with that rule? Oh i get it you are one of the ignorant individuals that think mma means ufc. And you couldn't come up with a better reason not to go to the ground besides there could be glass on the ground at a bar.
ZeGervasio 1 year ago
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@ZeGervasio a good reason not to go to ground, is it is not effective against multiple assailants. This does not mean im discounting ground work/bjj, bjj is a very effective system which has been proven time and time again.
Predator000 1 year ago
@ZeGervasio i respect your opinion and you make interesting points but let me tellyou when are receiving sankyo is nothing nice! when somebody puts you sankyo you are not going to do to much of nothing, unless you can turn your brain off to the pain you are going down. Besides fights on the streets take place anywhere you can't go to ground all of the time.Example a gravel parking lot like in some clubs have glass on the gravel you can injure your self!
goshinryujiujitsu2 1 year ago
@Gattawon and jujitsu means gentle art, but it aint gentle
BladeKempMusic 7 months ago
Can anyone show a mma fight where this technique is used or even close to being pulled off? Becasue if it is so easy to catch a puch and "easily slip through the doorway" 0:56 why arn't more moves like this used in street fights or mma fights?
ZeGervasio 2 years ago
Police have to use wrist locks during an arrest and there on the street more often than not. It's best to be used when you want to control someone and minimize the damage done. Another good example would be to use this on a drunk friend or family member that has stepped out of line. You wouldn't use muay thai on him now would you? And I'm sure he'll thank you when he sobers up ;]
unattributed 2 years ago 2
You know?....I think I'm going to bitch-slap an Aikido master.....fucking true story.. :)
MrLUCIFER616 2 years ago
Do not try to do it EXACTLY as it shown. And EVER do not try to catch hitting fist!!!
KievAMF 2 years ago
@KievAMF I caught a hitting fist. Only way I could was when I practised reflexes.
MegamanX23 2 years ago
Do you catch a hitting fist of boxer or karateka or street bum. Hits are different
KievAMF 2 years ago
"Colour blindness, a color vision deficiency, is the inability to perceive differences between some of the colors that others can distinguish"
Seriously, check it...
Arujin 2 years ago
poor guy in black, he is getting owned in so many videos....
Arujin 2 years ago
Another bad instructor video from a trainer who doesn't grasp the aikido principles and never has trained with opponents that block. Bleeding off the momentum of the attack is good but then that little shock will put the opponent right back in the game and let him take control again.
bvanhauw 2 years ago
Get yourselves a pepper spray :-)
SimulacronX 2 years ago
what kind of aikido i have to learn and use to be shure that i can protect my self...and to be shure that i am doing the same style like steven seagal is using for defending himself?
SamurayBushidoLife 2 years ago
totally agree with kainthornn...
it's the fighter that makes the greatest difference...not the martial art
Danten32 2 years ago 16
you are really right
wisd0m18 1 year ago
How easily people will lash out against what they do not or can not comprehend. I wish all the internet tough guys would get over the fact that millions of people study thousands of styles of martial arts and many of those styles actually can serve as defensive styles in a street situation. No one art dominates all others, no one person will beat all others. We train how we feel we need to, let it be just that.
kainthornn 2 years ago 3
Have you or have you not watched UFC 1
/end discussion
LNLNLNLN 2 years ago
Well my, my, my, aren't we overly self righteous?
/up yours
I'm deleting any further comments that come to my email from this video since it will obviously be LNLNLNLN running his mighty internet tough guy mouth.
kainthornn 2 years ago
good comment. the only thing anyone can really do is train, train, train. the great thing about hard training is not the physical aspect of it, to me. it's that when you train hard you feel like there is nothing that life can throw at you that you can not handle.
MrJoeCage 2 years ago 2
there's martial arts for ya!
patrick81790 2 years ago
A co zrobić jak przeciwnik będzie miał dłonie posmarowane olejem???? haaa...?
Przemas13130 2 years ago
i will list flaws i see. The attacker throws the sloppiest lead hook a brown belt has ever thrown. The defender would get smashed by the rear straight if he turned into it like that. You are never going to get under my arm, wont let you extend me like that - how? proper punching to begin, dynamic foot work, and a good center of balance. Aikido students must endeavor to broaden their art so that they understand the strength and weakness of well trained strikers.
StudentOfBudo1 2 years ago
elbow him! EL-BOW himmm!
alkatrezs 2 years ago 3
Of course, the opposite of this (in this context) is nikyo. LOTS of pain, with really very little likelihood of damage.
When my nephew gets annoying, I give him a quick nikyo. lol. I look at it like pressing a pressure point... except you're twisting an entire row of pressure points.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Though i agree that from a scale of 1 to 10 this is performed at about a 5, but most times 5 is all you need.
Dont be to harsh on him because to be frank about it, he is willing and daring to share his knowledge and to help people who do not have access to better instructions and that is priceless.
I am sure that since he published this he went back and corrected his technique and we all are the better for it.
Dont judge a mans fighting spirit by his ability to teach what he knows.
nrtito107 2 years ago
Indeed... he was moving from his arms, not his center. And he was off-balance himself quite a bit... but, there will always be imperfections! There's no such thing as a "perfect" technique, therefore, even when this technique is done "perfectly," there will still be flaws.
Notice, the lock comes from guiding the hand in on itself at 0:36. This twisting is what makes the lock.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
You're right. I can't argue with you on this.
abkmf 2 years ago
What is the ryu of this aikido?
I like the atemi, but the initial step has a distance that worries me. The motions are nice and tight like small circle jujutsu, but there seems to be a lot missing.
I understand this is basic demonstration of 'sterile' waza - I am just hoping that actual students would be shown the missing pieces.
mdiem 2 years ago
that guys elbow can hyperextend so much... holy shit... you can tell he's sucking up the pain
dontberushedbesure 2 years ago
and lilpower your half retarded
gargoyle1234567 2 years ago
Might want to spell you're in its proper form before you call someone retarded.
UberToober 2 years ago 3
i know how to spell, its just a short form. Takes up too much time, so what, im lazy
gargoyle1234567 2 years ago 2
No, you jackass, "You're" in itself is a short form of "You are". "Your " isn't the short form of anything, other than an acronym for "You're Obtuse, Uneducated, Retarded.
EelSacul 2 years ago
::cough:: Your judgement is a little off, sir. "your" is indeed a word. I can understand your confusion, but you're wrong this time. In the days of yore you're only entitled to your opinion.
OK... so I'm mixing past and present tense. lawl.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
idiot the point is a master would do this so fast on your street gangsta ass you would be eating the pavement before you would know it
gargoyle1234567 2 years ago
Normaly the white hair guy should give an atemi (kind of punch) with his left hand so that the opponant feels attacked..
AquaTempo86 2 years ago
aikido is so cool
khalilchik 3 years ago
note we didn't see the attack at speed- also attacker threw one punch and obviously has had right hand amputated...or something.
elainesman 3 years ago
this guy is fucking stupid dont try that shit on sum1 real life
the left side of his face is wide open for a hard right
lilpower1273 3 years ago
correct, absolutely.
elainesman 3 years ago
true, but a couple things to remember: if you went to punch someone in the face and they were experianced enough to get that far through, your probobly surprised as fuck and thinking "oh shit, this dude knows karate"
that and if he twisted his body to reach the other mans face, it woukd twist his wrist and arm even more which= PAIN
clubby9806 3 years ago
and if he threw another punch u would dodge it. dont forget it happens so fast that A, the attacker wouldnt know whats happening. B the defenders position will be so that it is an awkward angle so hat the attacker cant get to him
ooonz 3 years ago
its called a quick 1 2( left jab and hard right )
and u dont know shit if u think u can get away with this kind of bs fighting for fags
lilpower1273 3 years ago
that was a left hook and he only did a left hook so you could see the technique if he did a quick one two he would use a differrent technique and he would have had enough training to do that at a speed to quick for the attacker to counter.
Plekky08 3 years ago
And remember this is a DEMONSTRATION of the technique principle, not a "street application"...
Aikido techniques have a long history, and I'm pretty amazed when I see someone making fun of them just by looking at a short video. Real lack of curiosity, here !
ElCham 3 years ago 2
Martial arts are designed for self-defence and protecting others.
I agree with you to an extent on this.
abkmf 2 years ago
quite true, but usually in the case of left hand attack the defending guy has to use his own atemi (strike) to prevent the attack from the right hand.
so, as it has been told, this is just a principle, not a street technique.
Stalkcat 3 years ago
everyone who says aikido is unlikely to be used in real combat:
try attacking an experienced practicioner without getting floored. this is not a diss, this is a dare.
Rocksolid88 3 years ago
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Any Krav Maga practitioner would gladly show an aikido-ka how a martial art should behave in modern combat.
globalcapitalist 2 years ago
Yepp, and then the Krav Maga practitioner would walk away with a broken wrist. Aikido is meant to NOT injure the enemy... but can indeed be very painful.
GodsavetheQOTSA 2 years ago 13
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I guarantee that someone well trained in Tactical Krav Maga would leave some aikido sap in critical condition.
globalcapitalist 2 years ago
@GodsavetheQOTSA No, only the Uke is supposed to not be harmed. There is no prohibition for a true attacker not to be fucked up.
Robbob9933 1 year ago
@GodsavetheQOTSA its ment to break your stuff nobody goes with your teckneck on the street they will fight it and their shoulder will pop out of place
rippabomb 11 months ago
Krav maga practicioners arent gods, they cant shit bullets.
u never know the outcome of a fight, so even a rookie aikidoka might win an experienced Krav Maga practicer.
Pakkaslordi 2 years ago 3
i take akido classes and i can never do this D: its so hard making sure the arm straight because i always made them in a weird position
CowChan789 3 years ago
why not stay at home? :D
collinlamhk 3 years ago
lol
"carry a knife"
good job
but I must admit, your probably right
Northman52 3 years ago
Total balls, you will never do this.. Like most of these videos and most of the classes people pay far too much for, the reality is that these scenarios only occur in a gym or the room the instructor is in.. Carry a knife.
BWFSabian 3 years ago
man...you talk ballshit...this one you can`t do it in real fight but much other tricks you can do it and works...so just go at aikido and see it there...AND IF YOU KNOW ALL VERRY GOOD YOU CAN DO ANYTHING
caius95 3 years ago
o really cause my dad teaches aikido and he is a private investigator and he uses this more than 3 times a day.
guitarfreekidge 3 years ago
ya u can alot of martial arts are like u said tho.not likely to happen.for instance takewando alot of stuff in there is unlikely but more simple martial arts like braizilan jujitsu and aikido are pretty realistic you just have to practice so it gets in your muscle memory
dudesweetme 3 years ago
ok then go attack an aikido master and get some 1 to tape it it will be funny, until then you are a faggot, to redeem your self you must get that video
XxUnknownxX8 3 years ago
Here is a very simple key to judge the validity of an aikido techinque.
If he taught this to your sister would you still pay him and do you feel she could learn to do it?
Aikido techniques should be able to be done by men and women.
This is a good homework assignment for students but it is only for mental stimulation not use.
nrtito107 3 years ago
Extremely professional presentation but missing details. The person is not dead nor is his other arm which would punch you in the side of your head or a head butt because you are too close to him. Also arms are not extended and the man was never off balance.
His elbow better be higher than your shoulder to maintane control of him and make sure you have his thumb instead of your hand in his hand where he can close his hand around yours in your example. But all in all, Pretty good.
nrtito107 3 years ago
I teach jiu-jitsu and this comment is often mentioned when I teach this technique. The response I have for that is that the teaching is alot slower than the actual technique. There are also "distractions" delivered to the assailant (in my style) that keep the assailant off balance both mentally and physically. It is a very good technique if applied correctly, excellent demo and great observations nrtito107
gbear1998 3 years ago 2
This is not jujitsu and the concepts in jujitsu are totally different thats why this technique will not work!
I understand that this is a concept and not actually a technique. But it should have been developed further before presenting it as a technique.
A real puch has force on impact and another one usually comming from another hand pretty soon. The direction that he is turning lines him up with the right cross.
This technique is a major fixer upper.
nrtito107 3 years ago
Good points, there does seem to be a lot missing from this sankyo.
My primary art is heavy on the karatejutsu and jujutsu, so I was pleased when the aikido I learned contained a lot of atemi and very strong locks.
The main thing that worries me in this demo is the distance and like you mentioned the lack of extension. It is both vulnerable and not taking advantage of the potential the way good physics should.
mdiem 2 years ago
well it cant really be done at full speed. most techniques cant without hurting one of the practitioners.
smoothASgravel 3 years ago
I don't like this explanation at all because it's not done at full speed also. He changes his flow a couple times... I KNOW aikido principles CAN be effective... but I don't think this can be done without the attacked stopping and allowing all the steps to be done slowly. The breakdown's important also... but we need to see it at full speed.
dasgregorian 3 years ago
Full speed would likely tear apart uke's tendons.
I received a sankyo at way less than half speed and even with my flexibility and alert ukemiwaza, I still took a lot of damage.
mdiem 2 years ago
It depends on the energy you feed in. Like most aiki techniques, you CAN do this gently. Even at full speed, you can "not hurt your uke." This is "proper." However, like most Aiki techniques, you have the option of doing it "wrong" and you can cause a LOT of damage, even at half speed.
In a perfect aiki world, the attacked (uke) should not feel any pain at all. That's not... realistic. But, that's "the goal."
dasgregorian 2 years ago
yes, but realisticly, the energy fed in is intense and fast and the only choice is to cause damage.
mdiem 2 years ago
WRAWNG again!
Yes... a good hook punch won't just be "stopped" in it's tracks that way... his explanation was off. You "Join" with uke's energy, you don't "stop it" ... that requires work... Aikido is for lazy pacifists. Like me.
Aiki does NOT require weak attacks to work against. That's when aiki looks fake. Stronger attacks just mean more energy redirected... aikidokas attack pretty weak because we know the stronger we punch, the harder we hit the ground.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Try punching forward... but don't stop punching forward... but don't move your feet... eventually you fall over.
Try throwing a punch in the air. You extend, and at a point, you have to stop pushing forward to not fall down. in Aiki, we don't counter your punch... we stop you from stopping your punch. The more energy you put into the punch, the easier it is for us to not let you stop your punch.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
thanks for the explanation :: rolls eyes ::
Even after my 15 years of martial arts training and multiple black belts (including shodan nishio ryu aikikai..) I never was able to figure out how that worked..
mdiem 2 years ago
I gave a basic response to an obviously simple question. You're a shodan, and you think Aiki can't handle hook punches without causing damage?
A hook punch is just a varient of a yokomen... did you make shodan without being able to give a proper aiki answer to yokomen?
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Or, did I misunderstand your statement... I assumed you meant that hook punches in general can't be dealt with without hurting Uke? Were you just critiquing this application of sonkyo? Like most, sonkyo can do damage if done improperly. Shihonage can EASILY dislocate shoulders if you get in the way of them falling. Kotegaeshi can cause spiral fractures if done improperly.
I agree, each can be done improperly, but each can be done at full speed safely too.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
um... what? I don't see how what you said replies to me.
mdiem 2 years ago
its cool if u can pull it off
Mbisbingfan 3 years ago
That's a big "if".
CecilTerwilliger 3 years ago
Aikido is a way of understanding and self improvement not just beating people up.. meeting force with harmony rather than force with force. Those that call it stupid and say it wont work are missing the point and are too immature to grasp the concept of "The Way Of Harmony" go to a class or learn about somethin before you criticize it. Enter like the triangle, move as a circle with a base as the square.
indeedtheDANE 3 years ago 2
u need too long to learn that stuff AND use it as fast as u need on the streets, so, really gay.
M4x0r1982 3 years ago
GAY!!!!!!!
yellowmon123 3 years ago
why gay?
ArgTincho 3 years ago
GAY!!!!!!!!
kotsilio 3 years ago
i love your reasoning
it makes perfect sense
i say things are gay too
without an explination
PK7gurl 3 years ago
i'm practicing kyokushin.and i love it...you know why??? because it's FUNCTIONAL!!!if someone attacks me in the street i can use it and break his head...it's not just a sport,IT'S A MARTIAL ART!!!
kotsilio 3 years ago
So is aikido
The point of aikido isn't to beat the living shit out of someone. It's to use their moves against them and being able to get away. have you ever taken a class on aikido?
This is a demonstration. I'ts not supposed to be at full speed anyway. Have you looked at indeedtheDANE's comment? that pretty much sums it up.
PK7gurl 3 years ago
oohh..ok..sorry...maybe i jumped to conclusions...no i haven't take an aikido class..i'm practicing kyokushin...yesterday i got the silver medal in the greek kyokushin cup!!!
kotsilio 3 years ago
awesome. how long have you been practicing?
PK7gurl 3 years ago
allmost a year...i'm orange belt degree(very young)...this christmas i'm giving exams for the blue belt!
kotsilio 3 years ago
that's cool. so what's the belt system... do you have stripes or just solid colors?
PK7gurl 3 years ago
ikkyo nikkyo snakyo
exauror 3 years ago
unee vraie technik
ilies76 3 years ago
What if your opponent doesn't over-extend himself and maintains his balance while punching?
GuyCCyuG 3 years ago
Part of the movement, is moving *into* the punch and basically taking control of the wrist. As the instructor demonstrates, once you close the gap and obtain control of the arm, you can easily throw them off balance if they have not done so already. I've seen the punch "pulled" in its direction of movement from the defender, which helps move into the punch and close the gap faster while throwing the attacker off balance.
nahalmmv 3 years ago
i practice aikido for quite a while and this guy is making small yet quite fatal error. Notice how he grabs the hand for sankyo. His thumb has no control over the uke's thumb and hand. So uke (the attacker) can simply close his hand and the it is tug-of-war contest. Brute force, not aikido. And belive, that kind of "bleeding" punches works 1 in 20 tries on a boxer or some punch based martial artist. They are simly too quick + that position is begging for an right hand uppercut. And that's a KO.
PURE1337 3 years ago
I studied this for a while..and trust me...when someone does aikido on you--the pain and pressure they exert is unimaginable. It takes little effort do do this stuff to someone..I'm 120 pound 5'2'' female, and I can put my 6 foot 200 pound husband on the ground in less than 5 seconds..very powerful stuff!!
Sclines2595 3 years ago
Looks good, my only minor criticism is that it could be done in slower motion.
Chigura78 3 years ago
from that position it looks like the attacker could just hook yah with his right arm wen u grab his left...
i dunno maybe the pain is to much and hes unable to concentrate?
PooButt3 3 years ago
the real thing is way faster. attackers normally don't think they victim will know what to do, so when the victim does something it does 2 things to freeze them. 1, it shocks them, 2 the instant pain immobilizes them. those 2 things together leave an attacker dumbfounded and unable to think straight. so it may look like there are several escapes or things you could do, but when you're in that position there aren't.
guitarguy333 3 years ago
Yes, i agree. But even when he is able to swing his free hand you just enlarge the presure on the sankyoed (wow.. what a word :P) hand. The pain will make him whant you to stop :)
ibasepl 3 years ago
it's a valid point, but keep in mind that most attackers don't count on their attack being reversed... it's not often you see someone attacking with both hands at the same time, normally they figure that an attack will be blocked or avoided, and that this gives them time for their second attack :) boy are they wrong
RasFors 3 years ago
Sorry!!! The beginning of the technique it´s WRONG!!! Please, take care - PRINCIPLE. You must always protect the center. The two hands to control the yokomenuchi, bad option, the second hand must control the center or Uke can always punch your head with the other hand.....
patodefuego 3 years ago
Good video but get rid of the little "Shock" as it contributes a new energy turning you in the the attacker and opening up a weakness for counter-attack. Also, check your hand position of your right hand :19 seconds into the video... it should be more into the palm of his hand. Your fingers are more on the blade of uke's hand. This is VERY important on the lock. Something my teacher really drilled into my mind.
plaindonut 3 years ago
U don't Need the open hand of the other person to execute the tecnique. Not Bad
Urbexx99 3 years ago
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I'd just throw the guy. Judo & Jujitsu ftw!
REAL self defense. XP
5batspriwo 3 years ago
You know you sound like a little kid/punk.
basedeal 3 years ago
no. i sound like someone who spend my child hood being beaten and thus I've grown to know what actually works. it's my opinion, you don't have to agree w/ it.
but just know that I have been around and I HAVE traind in many DIFFERENT martial arts. I have scars which prove that you can't go into a joint lock straight off a punch.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
My apologys, thought you may have been a troll just talking garbage about other arts. Have you ever heard of Geoff Thompson? Check out some of his material, he beleives in the pre-emtive strike and that this aspect is lacking in most traditional martial arts. I beleive Aikido and other arts can be used effective if you strike first, Geoff states " forget the block first then punch" because it never works, againts an experience brawler who will sucker punch you. running out of room here.
basedeal 3 years ago
np man. yes i have. yeah if I know there is gonna b a conflict i try and end it first, don't even give my opponent a chance. yeah i know what ur saying.
I was actually involved in a light conflict yesterday w/ one of my friends.
But yeah all the hits i've taken as a little kid just built up hella good reflexes for me. People can't even land a roundhouse punch on me bcuz my guard flies up.
do you cross train?
5batspriwo 3 years ago
Do you cross train, 5batspriwo? I have enormous respect for Aikido, and can't wait to begin my training at the end of the month. However, I also discovered Kyokushin and think it would make a phenomenal offensive/pre-emptive striking art. I've been in a few fights myself, and understand offense can be crucial when you KNOW that someone is going to fight dirty; when you know you need to end a fight quickly. Just curious about how one effectively cross trains.
NyloStar 3 years ago
yes:
boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, judo, BJJ, Japanese Jujitsu, Karate, Muay thai, mma
well not to bash the art, but aikido just doesn't cut it. In the real world, that flowery footwork and those elaborate joint locks don't work. I'm not bashing, I'm telling you from EXPERIENCE. I started fighting when I was 8...
When you cross train you develop not one style, but an entire arsenal of moves which you can rely upon in a fight. The result? You develop your own style based on what works for you.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
Well, not to bash you, but you have no clue about the art. Aikido is about internalizing principles and developing freedom of motion. A missed strike becomes a lock, a failed lock becomes a strike. It is soft, it is hard, it is anything it needs to be. Those that never truly internalize Aikido will always keep it at an arm's length as "a bunch of techniques", and it will never be effective for them.
shihonage 3 years ago
well yes i do. how long have u trained in it?
i know it's more than a bunch of techniques, and for months it's what i had and used in my arsenal. it's all passive. unless the other guy attacks you, you have nothing. and the way it's trained: so slow, w/out resistance or anything. no hard core training, no sparring.
I'll tell you right now mate: it's not that way on the street. It's a good art for staying fit, flexible and healthy, and a bit of self defense once you get higher up.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
Me ? 8 years. Your statements give you out as someone who went for a few months, possibly a couple of years, and thought he "figured it all out". Aikido is pro-active, you initiate attacks, CUT, close openings, limit opponent response, and go with the flow. Resistance is gradually introduced past beginner levels, and speed comes much later. I used it against a guy who punched me, and I know a Russian boxer and two police officers who all used it in reality. Don't diss what you don't truly know.
shihonage 3 years ago
well man if it takes 8 years to take something useful out of an art than i can't do it. after a week, only a week of Brazilian JuJitsu, i was actually able to effectively defend myself from wrestlers, and other "fighters."
Aikido didn't give me that.
My goal isn't to diss, but to point out that your training methods are outdated and ineffective. I know that military and police forces worldwide train in BJJ. Aikido just can't match the efficiency of the bigger, more aggressive grappling arts.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
Nobody's asking you to study Aikido. Neither did I ever claim that Aikido matches the efficiency of other arts when sparring in the ring with trained athletes.
Thankfully, trained athletes are a very low percentage of population, and those of them who are out of control and go around picking fights with innocent people are even rarer.
shihonage 3 years ago
not in the ring man. on the street. Aikido isn't like that. I'm all for cross training, it's what I've done; what I am doing. I strive to be well trained and well equiped in all aspects of fighting.
and dude: if u think your statistics r real, then you've never been out west. every kid out here growing up was some tough guy w/ a little bit of training who thought he had something to prove. They don't pick fights, but in everyday life, if u manage to piss one of them off, that's it.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
I grew up in former Soviet Union, by the way. So don't tell me how tough your reality is. You're just paranoid and looking to spending most of your free time into intense training. I know your type.
I used to be like you. I thought the entire world was after me, and that ninjas would jump out of helicopters the moment I turn a corner. I grew out of it. So will you, one day.
shihonage 3 years ago
wow, what a ridiculous comment. Your analysis of my "personality" is as ignorant as your view of martial arts.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
If you learned your Aikido basics then you'd have known better than to use this video as a typical example that can be used for the whole of Aikido. The guy does not represent the art, yet you used this video to support your sweeping generalizations about Aikido.
You couldn't even spot the difference between this Youtube hack and a real instructor with martial technique.
Accusations of ignorance thrown from someone as "educated" as you are very funny. Thanks for lightening up my evening.
shihonage 3 years ago
that's correct, man. But no, look at all of the Aikido videos on YT and elsewhere. It's always some out of control guy attacking a perfectly calm instructor, whilst offering no resistance.
SO now you question my credibility? Well believe it or not, this guy is a "master" and he is a fairly accurate representation of an Aikido Instructor. Find me some evidence which proves my theory of Aikido's passivity wrong, and I may reconsider.
Ur ignorant bcuz u find Aikido to have flawless technique.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
I never said Aikido is flawless. People like you (MMA-brainwashed) always see things as black and white. I can point you to specific videos of how Aikido works perfect with full resistance, but your next argument will be "this doesn't look like Aikido". This will happen because you do not understand that it teaches you principles, not techniques. Or, you will recognize the person in the video and say that he lost to a Gracie. This means of course that he's worthless. So its a lose-lose battle.
shihonage 3 years ago
You're implying that by ur statements. And u call me another name...
Fighting's like that: u r or u aren't. Kill or b killed. NO time for the wasted motions and elaborate techniques of Aikido.
SHow me the vids, don't try and predict my reaction cuz you've proven that u know nothing about me.
Well if he lost to a gracie then I guess Aikido isn't too much better than BJJ, is it? And it's u that call him worthless, not me. I'm just saying that he lost for a reason...
what's his name?
5batspriwo 3 years ago
As for the aggressive statement, again its a sign that you have no clue what you're talking about. If you think of Aikido as passive art and try to use it that way, to come up to someone and try to get them into a wristlock, you will always fail. That is not Aikido. That is nothing.
shihonage 3 years ago
aggressive statement? I'm just being frank w/ you. When it is practiced and performed, it's like a dance. I've heard it described as such.
You have too much faith in your art and you have not experimented enough, which makes you ignorant. I highly recommend that you cross train.
Aikido IS a passive art. It was designed as such. To go w/ a force instead of meeting it head on. Based on all I've seen and experienced, energy and time is wasted in useless motions that are completely unrealistic.
5batspriwo 3 years ago
Well, you have no understanding of Aikido. You're very sure of yourself, but you continue spewing nonsense. The very first technique of Aikido already starts with meeting the opponent head-on, as do most others. They expose openings for knee and elbow strikes to ribcage and face, and it is nothing like a dance. Maybe you got traumatized at some hippie fruitcake dojo, in which case I am sorry for you.
shihonage 3 years ago
wow, here comes the name calling. . . now u insult my dojo... immature of an 8 year practitioner. I know that based on many conducted experiments and reliable sources, Aikidokas can't handle the same encounters as can other types of artists. Aikido does NOT teach strikes realistically.
Realist striking = Muay Thai. Aikido isn't as successful as other martial arts bcuz it isn't as realistic as they r.
wow, u think i don't know Aikido, an art I first learning began 5 years ago?
5batspriwo 3 years ago
I did not insult your dojo. I called you on your knowledge of Aikido, which is either very poor, or you're being purposely obtuse in order to troll this video. Either way, enough is enough, don't you think.
shihonage 3 years ago
"hippie fruitcake?" I don't know about the USSR, but over her that's considered 2 b an insult.
Yeah I think we've been at it long enough. I mean c'mon mate: we're not ever actually fighting.
It's time that you recognize and acknowledge the flaws in your art, and perhaps for your own good you could do some cross training to make up for it...
No, trust me, I've been thinking it over for 5 years. And it's gotten me beaten up countless times. Esp when the other guy fights dirty. Aikido isn't real
5batspriwo 3 years ago