Hardball - IDs for Undocumented Immigrants

[Xytos]

why are they all angry for

[Fashionificationful]

3/3 C SPAN “Black Republican Forum” Session 2 (begin at 11:30) West said one of the 1986 caveats was to secure our borders, enforcement our laws, but we’re still talking about new amnesty like DREAM Act. We can’t allow local cities to make sanctuary cities policies, because they will bring our inner city turf wars to epic proportions by bringing in the drug cartel and Columbian gangs. (Mexican Gangs don’t recognize our borders established by the Treaty of Guadalupe)

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Allen West 2012

[Fashionificationful]

2/3 In November 2010, the unemployment rate was 9.8% with 15.1 million unemployed. (15.1 million/9.8%) = 154 million are able to work in the workforce. 11,941,812 (or 11.9 million) skilled jobs provided to illegal immigrants. GOOGLE “illegal immigration counters”, the 15.1 million unemployed could take the 11.9 million available jobs. The unemployment rate could be reduced to 2.1% {{15.1-11.9)/154}

[Fashionificationful]

1/3 Immigrationcounters com 97% illegal immigrants are from Mexico. Illegalimmigrationstatistics org $1117 - The average amount you and your family paid in taxes this year to support illegals. 51% - The percentage of Mexican immigrant households that use at least one major welfare program. 28% use more than one.

[nowisthetime1010]

Ive had enough of this. What was the purpose of this country going off to war, if you are going to turn around and because you have ppl putting pressure on you for their own interest and agdenas, these polititicans are selling america out. Once this ball gets rolling there will be no stopping it. This mess has to nipped in the bud now!! This country has millions of illegals living here. Just tear up the immigration laws and let Al-Qeada and anybody else in.

[nowisthetime1010]

Furthermore, you are NOT UNDOCUMENTED!! YOU ARE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY!! CALL IT WHAT IT IS. EVERY COUNTRY HAS IMMIGRATION LAWS AND THEY HAVE THEM FOR A REASON. EVERY COUNTRY SHOULD KNOW WHO IS WITHIN THEIR BOARDERS. I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY PROMISES OR DREAMS, I WANT ACTION. EITHER CANDIDATES WORK FOR THE AMERICAN CITIZENS, OR THEY CAN JUST GO SOMEWHERE AND SIT DOWN. ENOUGH OF PANDERING FOR SPECIAL GROUPS AND ADGENDAS.

[nowisthetime1010]

NO ILLEGAL SHOULD BE ABLE TO OBTAIN ANY ID IN THIS COUNTRY!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?? EITHER WE ENFORCE OUR LAWS OR JUST LET PPL DO WHAT THEY WANT. WE DONT WANT OUR ELECTIONS STOLEN!! ENOUGH OF THIS PANDERING TO SPECIAL GROUPS AND ADGENDAS!!!

[yahazif]

I see the term "undocumented immigrants" is becoming part of the lexicon. The old term "illegal alien" used to work fine. "Illegal" because they are here illegally and "aliens" because they are from a different country. But the Liberals needed to smooth things out. "Illegal Aliens" just did fit with the program. Let me ask you something, what type of people feel the need to change the language to further their needs. They are commonly called "liars." I suppose we need to change that word too.

[jkiene]

Perfect Comment, I couldn't agree more. Liberals are always trying to hide their politics...The name themselves Progressive, to hide their real agenda....

[logansGT]

@yahazif - Exactly! We seem to be living George Orwell's 1984. When does Obama give all this lying a name and call it The Ministry of Truth?

I'm tired of hearing them called 'undocumented' immigrants or workers, they're ILLEGAL workers in the United States ILLEGALLY.

What's next, calling illegal drug dealers "undocumented pharmacists?"

[MidNiteR32]

Shit Matthews wants to be card checked, maybe he 'ought to live in Nazi Germany. National ID is for Americans, no way in hell will it stop the invaders from Mexico.

[ginesdepasamonte]

Just another code-word for «spic».

[tncdel]

Calling an illegal an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a BURGLAR an "uninvited houseguest."

An immigrant is a foreigner who enters our country in accordance with IMMIGRATION laws; hence: an "immigrant."

Whereas, a foreigner who enters our country illegally is a criminal INVADER, for it is a CRIME to do so.

If you call them immigrants, then so too were the Nazis who invaded France in WW II.

[hoodrichbadrich]

its like calling a rapist an unilateral involuntary boyfriend.

[agentc73]

Someone sneaks into OUR country, unwelcome, unwanted,

stealing jobs($2 TRILLION+ of wages yearly),

and social services($336 BILLION YEARLY)

from the US born/legal immigrants of all races,

but it's not stealing? Undocumented?

You mean ILLEGAL, BREAKING THE LAW DAILY, right?

Illegal = Illegal, STEALING = STEALING.

I WELCOME those of ALL races who obey the law. Hopping a fence,

illegally, bringing disease, crime, and poverty, is NOT immigration of ANY sort.

It's INVASION by foreign nationals.

[jimj122680]

Liberals who support illegal immigrants are actually (unknowingly) siding with greedy U.S. corporations. Why? Because they (ie. liberals) are protecting corporate America's cheap labor workers.

WHO WINS? Greedy companies AND illegal workers (earning FAR more than in Mexico).

WHO LOSES? The U.S. labor class (U.S. proletariat) via job losses to illegal workers & depressed wages.

Thus 122 years of U.S. labor struggle (carried out since the Haymarket Rebellion of 1886) is being undermined.

[punkloo]

what idiots..., let Rachel talk!

[vexedboy]

Lots of heat here!It's hard to explain "contradictory." Pat may be rightif Ike did shut the border. Reagan granted a "one time" amnesty which punted the problem to us. I can't fault a "man" for trying to better himself. I can't fault a country for trying to protect itself. Or a governor for trying to manage his situation. Are there moral ambiguities? Solve what you can. Don't fall for "the problem of health care or education is those illegals." That is bullsht.And you know it.

[phrankster]

this is a very important debate

[joharmon86]

Let Rachel talk, gosh.

[Patrioticpatti]

Rachel DID talk but she contradicts herself so much it get's old quick! She says we have the right to determine who comes across our borders, but then she wants to give amnesty to the illegals who jumped to the head of the line. Anyone who feels differently is a racist!

[sunshinebutmorerain]

I like how "illegal" seems to have no meaning to Maddow, other than as synonym for citizen.

Jesus.

[safuna]

Maddow came on her radio show right after this, and said it was one of her most disagreeable experiences in a long time.

[sunshinebutmorerain]

I guess getting owned is disagreeable to her. Not to mention reality.

She bitches about the "Republicans" not doing anything on healthcare or education, yet these systems are failing across the country largely because of the ILLEGAL ALIENS she wants here.

[sunshinebutmorerain]

Then of course she goes to the blanket racist/xenophobic smear tactic, after of course previously answering that, yes, the US should be able to say who can and cannot come here -- which is Buchanan's entire point; the same point she's calling racist and xenophobic. Just couldn't help herself, and with that totally contradicted herself within a minute.

So who's really being disagreeable, plain ugly and mendacious? That's right, the sensitive liberal, as usual.

[sunshinebutmorerain]

Of course as is always typical, the opposing view is on the surface so awful for the woman that she has to act as if she's been assaulted just listening to it. Typical leftist intolerance.

So ridiculous. The tolerance police out in force, of course never understanding how their positions and general comportment towards those they disagree with is so overtly hypocritical as to make their "tolerance" cry/stance an oxymoron.

[firemanstud1981]

People are F-ing idiots. Over 2 million people a year come here legally. THEY HAVE TO WORK HARD TO BECOME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. ILLEGAL ALIENS DID NOT I REPEAT DDDIIIDDD NNNOOOTTT FOLLOW THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO EVERYONE COMING HERE. SENSE WHEN DO WE GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH LAWS WE WANT TO FOLLOW? GOD DAMN THIS IS SO UNREAL.

[mmm413]

Rachel makes more sense than 99% of the people on TV. And Buchanan needs to take it down a notch. Can we please get off the illegal immigration kick? It's a bogus, contrived issue. And we have a national ID card. It's called a Social Security card. We can put people's pictures on it. If people think that will really make them safe. I'm tired of living in a country governed by fear. And that's what we've become. A nation of cowards.

[MeritisDE]

Matthews and Buchannan (Buklanan) are just towing the right wing line. This is the GOP wedge issue for the 2008 election.

Chris and Pat are just towing the GOP line, once again.

[erinwanze]

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but Chris Matthews is more annoying than Pat Buchanan in clip.

Freaking let her talk!

[gloryoski]

Also don't think a national id card for citizens is such a hot idea.

[gloryoski]

It was for something she said about it to a caller on CSPAN, that any job you would lose to an undocumented worker who only speaks Spanish must be pretty bad.

Well, uhduh! Lots of folks can only find pretty bad jobs! They still need them. Is this news to her? Not everyone can be a Rhodes scholar.

Doesn't mean that Pat Buchanan should ever talk, or that CM shouldn't shut up most of the time.

[Patrioticpatti]

My husband worked for 32 years for the phone company, digging ditches, climbing poles, splicing fiber, and rding in a van that wasn't air-conditioned in FL. Now the company is "unknowingly",hiring illegals? Right!!!!

[gloryoski]

Good point.

Otoh, I love Rachel but I do think that she has a somewhat simplistic take on this issue. I have gotten frustrated with her about it before,just in the privacy of my home and not in front of her on my teevee show. (And it wasn't when she confronted Lou Dobbs on his ridiculous, alarmist terminology.)

[ShelaghCol]

Why do they bother having Rachel on if they don't want her to talk?

[demblin]

They don't let Rachel Bulldyke talk because her voice is lower than both of theirs, and her "thoughts" on the immigration issue are contradictory and stupid.