Casshern Sins (SUB) - 19 - Believe in the Flower that Lives in Your Heart

[opalbell]

thats a lot of comments....long comments too...will I read them? I don't think so

[haudace]

what the hell was 18 about?

[9ssgoku]

@haudace You know, there's a description box for a fucking reason....

[haudace]

@9ssgoku

yeah, fuck you.

[9ssgoku]

@haudace Point proven, argument won. ^_^

[NamelessTheSamurai]

did anyone else know that a flock of butterflies like lyuze sees is considered a very bad Omen? one butterfly is a symbol of rebirth, which is a result of death. one is a good omen. but a flock of them signal many rebirths which, in turn, signals many deaths or a catastrophy or disaster about to happen.

[NamelessTheSamurai]

@NamelessTheSamurai that should make some sense out of the reason lyuze freaks out when she sees so many butterflies

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@NamelessTheSamurai

So in other words you'd have to understand Japanese culture to get that. So why didn't they include a "translator's note" at that point so you'd know what was going on?

[NamelessTheSamurai]

@BankaiIchigo12345 because if you watch enough anime its assumed u already know what that many butterflies means :P it happens in alot of anime. lol in Bleach they have "hell butterflies" because a butterfly symbolizes rebirth and the soul-reapers are shinigami or "god of death". so the two fit nicely together :) if you pay attention well when watching anime u can learn a great deal about japanese culture. ofcourse, not everything in anime is 100% accurate haha xD

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@NamelessTheSamurai

But what if this is your first anime you watched? Didn't the translators take into account that possibility?

On another note, other things that I have noticed used more than once in various anime are a black screen and a drop of water dropping into water and making ripples in that water, and the drop of water and the ripples below which look like rings of blue light but the water that those ripples are in (as well as the background in the rest of the imgage) is invisible.

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@NamelessTheSamurai

Sometimes it's a feather floating down into the water instead. I'm not sure what either of those (the drop of water and the feather, both landing in a body of water) actually mean. I assume that those are also Japanese cultural references. Also sometimes when anime makers want a scene to look mystical, they'll have one or more feathers floating around the scene. What does that mean? Is that also a Japanese culture reference?

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@NamelessTheSamurai

And also shouldn't it be assumed by a translator that ANY anime they are translating might be SOMEBODY's "first anime they ever saw" and therefore they'd need to have any Japanese culture references explained to them in a "translator's note"? I thought such "translator's notes" were just common practice in subtitling any anime. If I bought the DVD or Blueray of this would it have this extra info at each point something unique to Japanese culture was referenced in the show?

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@NamelessTheSamurai

Or do translators usuaully feel this would make too much extra text? My statement that it seemed to be "common practice" for translators to use "translator's notes" at such Japanese culture references is based on the fact that such Japanese culture references are often handled with "translator's notes" in fansubbed anime (which only is released by pirate groups), but since I have very few legit copies of animes, I don't know how professional translators handle it.

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@NamelessTheSamurai

Or do translators usuaully feel this would make too much extra text? My statement that it seemed to be "common practice" for translators to use "translator's notes" at such Japanese culture references is based on the fact that such Japanese culture references are often handled with "translator's notes" in fansubbed anime (which only is released by pirate groups), but since I have very few legit copies of animes, I don't know how professional translators handle it.

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@NamelessTheSamurai

I had just assumed that professionally subbed animes did the same thing and included "translator's notes" at such points in an anime.

[HaiDaiyu]

@BankaiIchigo12345 As far as I know Translator notes in professionally translated anime are not very common, since they're distracting, what notes do occur are usually only for more obvious cultural references. In manga there are often translator's notes at the end, but again it's usually for major references. I couldn't tell you about the water or feather, but I do know that petals are often used to demonstrate the fleetingness of life and youth.

[BankaiIchigo12345]

@HaiDaiyu

Why is it more common in fansubs? And isn't butterflies an major cultural reference (seeing as how if you didn't get that, the scene would make no sense at all)?

What about the petal but more specifically a petal falling into a pool of water and making ripples? Does that signify something? I swear I've seen that before too.

[HaiDaiyu]

@BankaiIchigo12345 Well, with fansubs the translator doesn't have to care as much how easy it is to watch, and whether or not you might have to pause the video to read the notes, whereas a professional has to think about the video as a whole and about making it possible to read the subtitles and keep up with whats going on screen. If you're in charge of marketing a video you probably don't want to make the customer have to pause or rewind in order to get the subtitles, the notes and the video

[HaiDaiyu]

@BankaiIchigo12345 I wasn't aware that the cultural reference for butterflies was that strong, when I watched that scene it kind of seemed to me that the butterflies weren't really there, and it almost seemed like the stress of the disease was causing her to hallucinate, and when the butterflies converged on the flowers and on her, it seemed like it was representing the rust and how it spreads to cover up life and beauty. So I think this scene is a little up for personal interpretation

[HaiDaiyu]

@BankaiIchigo12345 I think water in general is used for meditation and contemplation idk if there's a more specific connotation

Actually, some bodies of water are connected to the supernatural. Mountains too

Petals and tree blossoms such as sakura represent beauty life and mortality since they do not last long and always fall off. In ancient Japan there are several poems and other references that in particular compare samurai to blossoms since they were often cut down in their youth by fighting

[madaznboy]

Yes its pretty good, watch it!

[today20080523]

I thought she was sayin "castrol" what? the did the robot run outta gas??

[KittyWillCutYou]

"Castol~!" well MAYBE you shouldn't go around attacking strange passerbys on a whim. huh? bet you feel like a dumb bitch dontcha?

[JakariHanma]

This animes a bit underground only garnering around 400 - 7,000 views a uplaod

[MelyssaAKASkittlez]

@JakariHanma Well, I think more people ahould watch it. It has become one of my favorite animes in just 5 episodes. I looked here to see more episodes because I did not want to wait for the dubbed episodes to play out 2-3 per week on TV.

[Itouchangels]

@MelyssaAKASkittlez

yeah same here, ever since I got the funimation channel.

[Hiromu656]

the weirdest hair ever

[Alchemist3992]

one of my favorites!!!

[floodedjunior]

@Alchemist3992 please explain to me what this anime is about because i never watched through should i watch it through

[Deredesa]

@floodedjunior Yes you should it's great!

[Memorymode]

@floodedjunior The main character, Casshern, awakes with amnesia. He learns that he's the reason for the Ruin which is killing all of the robots. Apparently, before he killed this girl, Luna, the robots lived forever and the humans were plentiful. A guy names Braiking Boss is responsible for ordering Casshern to kill Luna. Now, every episode is filled with vague hints of hope although Casshern is surrounded by death. The robots think that killing Casshern will rid them of the ruin.

[Memorymode]

@Memorymode From here on, Casshern hopes to find Luna and atone for his sins. As the story progresses, few stay by his side including Friender the robo dog, Ohji his creator, Lyuze who wants to kill him for being responsible for her sister's death but falls in love with him, and the little girl, who's special sorta. This is the jist of it. It's interesting how depressing this anime can be...yet it keeps me watching because they give you just enough hope that next ep. will have happiness.

[Okin17]

@floodedjunior It's a reworking of a classic shonen series. The protagonist Casshern instead of being the hero who betrayed the tyrant who created him instead followed through with his mission and as a result destroyed the world. Losing his memories, he tries to make sense of the desolate reality in front of him, and attempts to find redemption in what is a world with no future.

[9ssgoku]

@floodedjunior It's incredibly complicated. Just go to episode 1 and watch from there.

[HaiDaiyu]

@floodedjunior Well, I don't know if somebody already replied, but personally I believe that this anime is quite beautiful, both artistically and through the writing. It tends toward philosophy, mainly how people deal with death and mortality. Because of this it does tend to be quite depressing and isn't for everyone, but if you're looking for an anime with deeper meaning you should definitely watch all of it.

[HaiDaiyu]

@floodedjunior Well, I don't know if somebody already replied, but personally I believe that this anime is quite beautiful, both artistically and through the writing. It tends toward philosophy, mainly how people deal with death and mortality. Because of this it does tend to be quite depressing and isn't for everyone, but if you're looking for an anime with deeper meaning you should definitely watch all of it.