@shinymew10002 It's rare to need more then 6 heals. If you have more then 1 character in the party, Use your weakest healer. Make sure to input their magical mending at the start. If one character is close to full HP, don't go over. Your healer can heal different people in the party instead.
If anyone is having trouble getting a character to low HP to spam Heal just use Double-Edged Slash from the Gladiator skill tree. Use that a few times (but don't let it kill you) and healing won't be a problem.
Nice.....I think I understood how it works, though getting a party member at really low health without letting it die is quite a hard taks. Tried it twice just now, but both times I got 3 links instead of 1. I'll try it again tomorrow, when i'll have more time and patience. Just one question: Is it ok if the one healing your party member isn't a priest, but a minsrel?
@Scuro1000 if you get more then one link just go back and heal once more. Roughly 5-6 heals will do it. Sometimes more or less. It doesn't matter which character is the healer, or what class they are. Just as long as you input the magical mending score for the character doing the healing. I used my main character because his healing was the weakest. Remember, you don't want to fill up your HP. Also, you can heal different people. Only the healer needs to stay the same.
@SplashKhat Wait...you mean just do another coiuple healings on the same "chain", or repeat the whole 5 heals process again and again until I get 1 link? XD Because I restarted from scratch every time.....
@Scuro1000 Grats on the win. Yea, all you had to do was go back and add one more heal to the chain. Pretty sure that was in the video captions. You may need to pause to read them.
@SplashKhat Yah I just thought that "step 6" was building up a chain of 5 heals XD. But today I tried it with the tyrannosaurus wrecks boss and the hoimi table showed that I had to do 101 heals! I did them all but I failed. Did I just miscount the heals, or was there another problem (maybe it doesn't count if I use heal on a char. with full health)?
@Scuro1000 did you start your count from the number of heals you put into the website? if you did a chain of 5 + 1 more, then begin the count at 6. It doesn't matter if you reach full HP when advancing the table(you can see that in the vid). Only the number of heals total. Actually, if you cast group heal, depending on the party size, the table will advance by that number. A full party with group heal will advance you 4 cells. It'll help when you need to go 101 cells. Happy counting xD
it wont work for me!? every time i go to click the botem button it refreshes the page again and ive tried this soooooo many times it just wont work im realy sad about it. )='(
@minecraft0mayhem scroll down? there should be the list of seeds at the bottom of the page after plugging in your heals. Also, are you pressing the button to the right after putting in your Magical Mending score? That will also cause your page to refresh. If no seeds are showing up, there must have been an error with your calculation. Sorry, but those are the only ideas I can think of. Try clicking that bottom button after 2 heals, then add 3rd, 4th heal. You should be seeing links
Do you intend to finish FFF? I first watched it in early 2001 and still sometimes rewatch it to this day. I'd also like to thank you for the musical acts I first found by watching it.
@APolaris Yes! there are comments in my profile page about it. I've been making progress daily, but slowly. I've been studying hard learning Flash ActionScript 3. Actually I plan on making some games soon too.
i quit with this thing. i've used it 7 times, all failures, all of them I checked my math, all of them i never used abilities when i shouldn't have, no CDGs in boss fights... I don't get it. XD
@tatertottattum can you post an example of your mending, heal numbers, and how many times you healed before fighting the boss? I'll pull up the same table and see where you went wrong. Oh, and your not fighting Shogum are you?
@KageNoKishi725 What did you want to read? The website is not very complex. You can get away with just following the video and plugging in the numbers.
I posted that comment a little before the directions said which box I would need to look for. And, I like fighting by myself to get my levels higher faster. Would a vocation change matter at all when doing this?
@KageNoKishi725 I'm not certain about vocation change. You can test it easily. After you have your Hoimi table, and if you are still low on HP, change class. This would change your magical mending. You would need to adjust that at the top of the Hoimi table. The 4th of 5 boxes. Change that number to your new magical mending and press the button to the right. Now cast heal on yourself and calculate. Check the heal amount to the table, see if it skipped ahead any cells. Then continue as normal.
I meant from Minstral, since it knows heal, to Gladiator, my regular vocation. My magical mending for both is 308, because I trained the priest tree fully. Would it matter if both magical mending stats are the same, since Gladiator doesn't have heal?
@KageNoKishi725 My answer is the same. I don't know what happens to the Hoimi Table when you vocation change. You will need to test it out as I outlined.. I can't test anymore, my DS lite burned out a capacitor and I haven't bought the new 3DS. Its like this. if you cast heal 6 times, find your Hoimi Table and heal again for 40, you would see 40 on cell 7. if vocation change does advance the Hoimi table and you find 40 on cell 13 then you know what vocation change will do, and can compensate.
@Goub0 It doesn't have to be your best "healer" just anyone in the party with the heal spell. Notice in the video I used a Paladin rather then the Magic User.
@iNeohero Grats on the gauntlets! Changing your party size will not matter. I know your excited but take your time to not skip any steps like quicksave and restart the DS. And be careful with your math & magical mending numbers when you put them in the website. I also make notes how many times I cast heal. Just keep practicing and earning those rare's!
@epb45 @2:42 in the video. "You can use Anything in battle, just not Coup De Grace". However if the boss summons another monster (Shogum) It will advance you 1 cell each time he does.
@rylenthedragon Not to be rude, but are you reading everything? You need to use the entire table. The table is read like a calendar. When you reach Saturday on a calendar, Sunday is the first day of the next row. The same is true for using the Hoimi table. The numbers on the outside of the table is simple math. Look to the left and top of any cell and add the numbers. Left is 0 Above is +10 = 10. Left is 10 Above+1 = 11. When you heal 11 times you are on Cell 11 which is on the 2nd row.
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean the whole table. The table doesn't have red or blue markings in the first row. And could you explain in depth how to pinpoint your location on the chart (I didn't understand your last comment, sorry)?
@rylenthedragon You need to use the entire table, I was lucky to get red on the first row for the video. The table is read like you would read a calendar. You advance each cell by casting Heal. Since you have already cast Heal 5-6 times to get the table, then you would be on Cell 5 or 6 accordingly. If you look at the numbers in those first 5 cells they are exactly the amount you have already healed. For example if your last heal was 56, then you are on the cell with the 56.
@rylenthedragon I have never heard of one with no colors, blue or red. Check your settings at the top of the table. By default the first 3 should be 100, 10.00, 2.00. Press the button on the right to make these changes. If you still don't see any red change that first number to 200 and press the button on the right.
The table is read by adding the numbers on the side (10,20,30) with the numbers on top(+1, +2). So a red on 20, +3 is cell #23.
@SplashKhat Well i done all your steps ,got low health, quick save, restart ds, note MM for healer, done heal 5 times & wrote the stuff down (all of it) got few links then did it again and got 1 link, i did the nr of correct heals so i can reach b4 the red square but it aint workin -.- and now when i do it i only get blue squares whats up with that!!!!!!!!!
@iNeohero list for me the numbers for your heals. Then I can look at the same chart. Tell me how many times you cast heal before you fought the boss, and what boss are you fighting?
If there are no red, it may be easier to just lose health and start again. But if your determined, then change the number at the top left of the page *100* to 200 and press the button on the right. Scroll way down and you should see some red.
@iNeohero Are you looking at the entire table? It's very rare to not have any red squares. Also, I don't know your magical mending number to be able to find your chart.
And no it doesn't matter if you are using the UK version.
@iNeohero OH! You just need to use the entire table. Not just the first row!! read the last couple of days of comments. rylenthedragon had this same problem on how to use the table. Maybe my comments there will be what you need.
@Aniblast Yes, the 2 versions are not the same. It will still work the majority of the time. But sometimes you will see that there is no Seed after your math is correct.
@SplashKhat Yeah, that's exactly what happened. It showed a red Seed at that & I thought it could work. Got it to work in the end though, so thanks a bunch! :)
@Aniblast Not sure I understood that question. Yes, use the same healer. No, it doesn't matter who you heal. As long as you can calculate how much is being healed.
@SplashKhat Sorry about the confusion. I was asking if the character that I'd be healing could be the same character as the healer in question. IOW, could I have a 1-man team with the main character also being the healer & still have this be successful? Based on what you've said, it seems so.
@SplashKhat hey buddy. sorry to bother you again but if i want say...a 6% drop would i need to either be 2 spaces away from a red square or just in front of a blue square?
First, Blue is 10% chance or less, its not perfect for a 6% drop. At the top of the Hoimi table you'll see a list of numbers. By default, in order, they are: 100-Cells. 10.00-Blue. 2.00-Red. Just change the 2.00 to 6.00 and press the button on the right. everything 6% or less will now be Red. Now, if this is for the 2nd rare item from the treasure map boss, then yes, 2 squares before the Red is what you need. Happy Hunting!~
@SplashKhat alright! thanks again! its just now i have a stardust sword and i need silver orbs off baramos. and hes level 16. but now im stuck weather i should make the galaxy axe or the hypernova sword. ah well ill decide myself. tsk. decisions, decisions.
@SplashKhat and (sorry if im bothering you) for an alchemiracle would i need to change the 10.00% to the percentage for the alchemiracle? like as in i go up to krak pot after i get hurt and quicksave and check the alchemiracle percentage then get out and heal and try it then? cuz i am not going to get all that stuff again. took me ages. :P
@spartamixfan lose HP, Warp to town, Quicksave, restart the DS, calculate the Hoimi Table 1 before the Blue square. TaDa~. Yes I think you said it right. 10% is the base success for Alchemiracle, you can use it as it is or change it to whatever % you need. It doesn't matter when you look at the success chance from the pot.
@SplashKhat ok. well tsk. i tried an alchemiracle and got disappointing results...i went for a supernova sword and all i got was a hypernova sword! :P
@Gaaaaamer Yes but this also works for Alchemiracle. That's days worth of items just for 1 chance. May as well learn how to do the trick before you really need it.
@SplashKhat ok. well i figured it out since i got some vesta gauntlets. ill go as a thief next time though cuz they only get heal and their magical mendings bad so yeah. i say its gonna work! im gonna get invincable trousers next
@Dragonicafan The EU version of the game is compatible with the US selection on the site. Depending *how* you lost more HP you may have to restart. If you fought a monster, restart. If you walked through lava, keep going. If you have multiple party members hurt, you can heal them as long as you are using the same healer.
And lastly, use group heal to advance quickly on the table. A party of 3 will advance you 3 cells. 4=4 etc. so 90 squares becomes no problem.
@Dragonicafan Heal All is just for one person, Multiheal heals each person in your party, thats the one you want. For each person healed in your party you advance 1 square. A full party is 4 squares.
@spartamixfan Yes of course it does, but not in a predictable way to help you move along the Hoimi table quickly. The only thing you could do is cast group heal. Each person you have in your party will move the Hoimi table up 1. So a full party would move you up 4 from each cast of the spell. My party in the video would only move up 2.
@SplashKhat ok but thats actually if you do it after you save so....i just do the healing way. and i got myself a pair of invincible trousers and a pair of hero's boots! tnx. and i might make a vid of how to use the table too if there isnt enough vids about it. :P
@Fanntasticful Legacy:Yes. Normal monsters:Not really. I think the normal monsters % was reversed, or they draw from a different cell based on where they stand in battle. I'm sure its documented somewhere, but its not the exact same method.
Sorry, I just needed clarification.. I can get the 2% rare drops np, i was wondering how to get the 5% common drop? You said to be 2 squares before or after the red square?
@mizippy Yes. 2 before the red square instead of 1 before. When you defeat the boss the Hoimi table advances 1 square and checks for the 2% treasure, then advances 1 more square and checks for the 5% treasure. Although rare, it is possible to get both treasures. Just look for 2 red squares together on the Hoimi Table.
@Fanntasticful If you use group heal, you can advance the Hoimi table based on how many people are in your party. So a full party will advance the table 4 cells with each cast. My party of 2 people will only advance me 2 for each cast. It makes moving 40 cells alot easier.
@leewardstyle no, each time you turn on the DS your "random numbers" come from a list of numbers. This list or Hoimi Table is picked at random. This technique allows you to find what Hoimi Table you are in so you predict the results.
@jojofan2k7 Doesn't matter. It's possible to use a heal-all spell to advance on the Hoimi table quickly. With my party of 2 each heal-all would only advance me 2 squares. While a full party will advance you 4 squares for each cast of heal-all. That's the only difference a full or small party would make.
@jojofan2k7 Shogum is a very tricky boss to use this trick on. Thats because each time he summons help, it will advance you on the Hoimi table 1 square. The best tactic is to leave yourself 2 or 3 extra squares before the Red square, and let Shogum summon help that same number of times before you defeat him.
@jojofan2k7 Hoimi roughly translates to "Heal", Save the game and reset the DS puts you at the beginning of your table. The table is like a Calender, you start at the top left, So starting with each time you cast heal to get your table(usually 5 or 6) you can find out where you are.
I got this to work! One thing to note, after you've figured out which Hoimi Table to use, it doesn't matter if your characters get to full health. Every time you ATTEMPT to heal it shifts you one on the table, even if the game tells you that person can't be healed anymore, and uses no MP.
@SplashKhat ahh I see, some of the captions come up so quick I didn't notice it. Also the caption says "it's OK to heal over your max HP" which implies you actually cast heal with a little less HP and hit the maximum, not that you can just keep attempting to heal even though the heal fails.
@Cyiode Yea i agree, text alone isn't enough. The video was made because we only had text instruction to begin with. So I timed that caption to appear right when the video shows Gengi casts a heal that fails, just so its clear. If there's a next time, I'd do a voice over instruction. Cheers~
For alchemiracale do you get to the square before the red or blue square and then fight the boss? Or do you get to the square before the red or blue square, and then NOT fight the boss and evac and head straight to the alchemy pot? Help!
@redchakra99 Once your HP is low(you can do this anywhere), Warp to town and Quicksave. Reset the DS, Load, and Calculate the Hoimi table before a Red or Blue square then use the Alchemy Pot.
anyone know how this stuff gets calculated? is this someone who has dissected the game files and found the algorithm for the "random" number generator? this is intriguing as hell. thanks for the great explanations in this video as well. 470 hours in and wouldve loved to have known about this a while ago
@killpineapple Actually its the illusion of being an algorithm. This game uses is a fixed array of numbers called a seed. Whenever the game needs a 'random number' it simply pulls the next number off of the seed, adds some bonus numbers such as your Magical Mending, and gives you a result. Each of these seeds have been extensively documented. The fascinating part is the website reverse calculating your mending bonus's from your heal's to locate which seed you are on.
@SplashKhat fascinating that people have figured this out. im normally opposed to quasi-cheating, but im 500 hours into the game and would like to not have to wait for 2% items in chests and alchemiracles. thanks very much for a surprisingly polite reply (im used to boards)
this stuff isnt working for me anymore, im trying against trauminator for pros axe and hero boots but even when i get to the % below 2 that are red i get nothing at all.
Is there a specific row of numbers I should use? 3 of my pary are lvl 99 one is lvl 50
@jv9ufxcy Hmm. sounds like your not counting the number of heals properly. the table begins at +1 and ends with +10. Each row down is +10. So the 1st cell on the 2nd row would be 11. The 1st cell on the 3rd row is 21. Make sense? If the red cell is on 12 you need to heal only 11 times total. Thats 5 or 6 heals you used at the start + however many more you need to reach 11. Then kill the boss and get your treasure
should probably do it on multiple characters...oh and also, what about those poison swamps that appear in the ground that make your hp go down? does that count? and also what about the things your healer is wearing? dont some things make your healers magical mending go up???
@shinymew10002 You only need to bring your HP down low, a poison swamp could work just fine. I wouldn't change your equipment to something less unless you are going to fight the boss that way. You should use the worst healer in the group. If that healer needs to heal another person thats fine.
Gawd, the Black Mages version of Otherworld is, in my opinion, the worst song the Black Mages have ever done. They're one of my favorite bands, but this song should never have been made(along with Matoya's Cave theme and the awful female vocals from Darkness and Starlight).
ok dude last question and I'll leave you alone cause I know you must get bugged about this alot. Does it matter who's health I bring down the lowest? or should I focus on bringing down just the main characters health before I save or can I choose any character?
@jedebklyn Yes they are 2 different things. First you need to find your chart. Do not heal to full so that you can properly calculate. When you have your chart, you can use group heal to advance quickly to the red cell.
i know you must get this alot but I don't get it. When ever I do the calculations I don't see a red box unless it's like 4 or 5 rows down. I brought a low level healer (132 mending) but all the other 3 characters are 99 , 88, 48
@jedebklyn Use the character with the lowest magical mending. It's normal to get a red cell further then in the video. I was just lucky. If you have a full group (4 characters) You can use group heal to advance 4 cells each time. I did not include that in the video because my play style is with 2 characters.
does it matter if you're using a high level character? cause I see you're using lvl 30+. the magical mending of my character is 500+. I ask because i have not been able to calculate the drops correctly.
@jedebklyn Bring a character that has a low Magical Mending score and use them as your healer. Also, you can heal more then one person. Just don't heal above their max HP to calculate correctly.
@Dragonicafan No, you didn't. Start again and carefully calculate. If Boss Shogum summons enemies it will advance the table 1 cell each time and mess up your calculation, you have to plan ahead if you are fighting him.
About to use this to get brain drainer from the red wight knight...
anivillechris 1 week ago
i healed 6 times enterd it in the calculator then clicked the javascript link healed 3 more times what am i doing wrong
theraginlucario 2 weeks ago
@theraginlucario post your mending and heal amounts next time. Then I can double check.
SplashKhat 2 weeks ago
um, I kind of have a problem. my hp keeps getting full after 6 heals, and I still have multiple links at the bottom. What can I do about this?
shinymew10002 3 weeks ago
@shinymew10002 It's rare to need more then 6 heals. If you have more then 1 character in the party, Use your weakest healer. Make sure to input their magical mending at the start. If one character is close to full HP, don't go over. Your healer can heal different people in the party instead.
SplashKhat 2 weeks ago
@SplashKhat thanks! It finally worked! Now I have the Brain Drainer and Hero's Boots I've always wanted! :D
shinymew10002 2 weeks ago
what does "該当するSEEDが見つかりません" mean? I keep getting that instead of a link
platomaker 3 weeks ago
@platomaker It means, with the information you provided, no Seed could be found.
This can only happen if something is wrong with your calculation. Or you didn't quick save, power down, and restart your DS.
SplashKhat 3 weeks ago
i go to upover and run on lava to get low health ;D!
MrAbaddonz 4 weeks ago
If anyone is having trouble getting a character to low HP to spam Heal just use Double-Edged Slash from the Gladiator skill tree. Use that a few times (but don't let it kill you) and healing won't be a problem.
WoWmeister69 1 month ago
Nice.....I think I understood how it works, though getting a party member at really low health without letting it die is quite a hard taks. Tried it twice just now, but both times I got 3 links instead of 1. I'll try it again tomorrow, when i'll have more time and patience. Just one question: Is it ok if the one healing your party member isn't a priest, but a minsrel?
Scuro1000 1 month ago
@Scuro1000 if you get more then one link just go back and heal once more. Roughly 5-6 heals will do it. Sometimes more or less. It doesn't matter which character is the healer, or what class they are. Just as long as you input the magical mending score for the character doing the healing. I used my main character because his healing was the weakest. Remember, you don't want to fill up your HP. Also, you can heal different people. Only the healer needs to stay the same.
SplashKhat 1 month ago
@SplashKhat Wait...you mean just do another coiuple healings on the same "chain", or repeat the whole 5 heals process again and again until I get 1 link? XD Because I restarted from scratch every time.....
Scuro1000 1 month ago
@Scuro1000 Grats on the win. Yea, all you had to do was go back and add one more heal to the chain. Pretty sure that was in the video captions. You may need to pause to read them.
SplashKhat 1 month ago
@SplashKhat Yah I just thought that "step 6" was building up a chain of 5 heals XD. But today I tried it with the tyrannosaurus wrecks boss and the hoimi table showed that I had to do 101 heals! I did them all but I failed. Did I just miscount the heals, or was there another problem (maybe it doesn't count if I use heal on a char. with full health)?
Scuro1000 1 month ago
@Scuro1000 did you start your count from the number of heals you put into the website? if you did a chain of 5 + 1 more, then begin the count at 6. It doesn't matter if you reach full HP when advancing the table(you can see that in the vid). Only the number of heals total. Actually, if you cast group heal, depending on the party size, the table will advance by that number. A full party with group heal will advance you 4 cells. It'll help when you need to go 101 cells. Happy counting xD
SplashKhat 1 month ago
@SplashKhat Yup, did start from the number of heals I did. Guess i just failed at counting :P
Scuro1000 1 month ago
@SplashKhat Yeeeeeeeah I did it! Atlas finally dropped the tropotoga I've been wanting for so long! ^__^ I'm in debt with you man.
Scuro1000 1 month ago
I got a pair of invincible trousers without this, but I need 3 brain drainers from sir sanguinus and I'm going to use it
theslimeballparty 1 month ago
it wont work for me!? every time i go to click the botem button it refreshes the page again and ive tried this soooooo many times it just wont work im realy sad about it. )='(
minecraft0mayhem 1 month ago
@minecraft0mayhem scroll down? there should be the list of seeds at the bottom of the page after plugging in your heals. Also, are you pressing the button to the right after putting in your Magical Mending score? That will also cause your page to refresh. If no seeds are showing up, there must have been an error with your calculation. Sorry, but those are the only ideas I can think of. Try clicking that bottom button after 2 heals, then add 3rd, 4th heal. You should be seeing links
SplashKhat 1 month ago
Hi SK,
Do you intend to finish FFF? I first watched it in early 2001 and still sometimes rewatch it to this day. I'd also like to thank you for the musical acts I first found by watching it.
APolaris 1 month ago
@APolaris Yes! there are comments in my profile page about it. I've been making progress daily, but slowly. I've been studying hard learning Flash ActionScript 3. Actually I plan on making some games soon too.
SplashKhat 1 month ago
Um...whats step number 6?
1GoldRunner 2 months ago
i quit with this thing. i've used it 7 times, all failures, all of them I checked my math, all of them i never used abilities when i shouldn't have, no CDGs in boss fights... I don't get it. XD
tatertottattum 2 months ago
@tatertottattum can you post an example of your mending, heal numbers, and how many times you healed before fighting the boss? I'll pull up the same table and see where you went wrong. Oh, and your not fighting Shogum are you?
SplashKhat 2 months ago
@SplashKhat Funny, as i was writing this I gave it another go and got myself a Tropotoga! Haha. Thanks anyways :D
tatertottattum 2 months ago
i had to heal 97 times but i think i made a mistake coz i didnt get what i was after
MONSTERsable 2 months ago
@MONSTERsable That's harsh! Watch out for the boss Shogum. Each time he summons a monster it adds +1 to the Hoimi Table.
SplashKhat 2 months ago
What if there are no red boxes
PSIkobe 3 months ago
@PSIkobe Look all the way down. It in there.
SplashKhat 2 months ago
@SplashKhat Thanks!
PSIkobe 2 months ago
...I'll stick to continuously murduring the bosses until it drops ^-^ I may speak Japanese, but I can't read it...
KageNoKishi725 3 months ago
@KageNoKishi725 What did you want to read? The website is not very complex. You can get away with just following the video and plugging in the numbers.
SplashKhat 3 months ago
@SplashKhat
I posted that comment a little before the directions said which box I would need to look for. And, I like fighting by myself to get my levels higher faster. Would a vocation change matter at all when doing this?
KageNoKishi725 3 months ago
@KageNoKishi725 I'm not certain about vocation change. You can test it easily. After you have your Hoimi table, and if you are still low on HP, change class. This would change your magical mending. You would need to adjust that at the top of the Hoimi table. The 4th of 5 boxes. Change that number to your new magical mending and press the button to the right. Now cast heal on yourself and calculate. Check the heal amount to the table, see if it skipped ahead any cells. Then continue as normal.
SplashKhat 3 months ago
@SplashKhat
I meant from Minstral, since it knows heal, to Gladiator, my regular vocation. My magical mending for both is 308, because I trained the priest tree fully. Would it matter if both magical mending stats are the same, since Gladiator doesn't have heal?
KageNoKishi725 3 months ago
@KageNoKishi725 My answer is the same. I don't know what happens to the Hoimi Table when you vocation change. You will need to test it out as I outlined.. I can't test anymore, my DS lite burned out a capacitor and I haven't bought the new 3DS. Its like this. if you cast heal 6 times, find your Hoimi Table and heal again for 40, you would see 40 on cell 7. if vocation change does advance the Hoimi table and you find 40 on cell 13 then you know what vocation change will do, and can compensate.
SplashKhat 3 months ago
i dont get this but im still glad i got 2 vesta gauntlets without the hoimi table
the problem is my healer will get my char to max health quickly
Goub0 3 months ago
@Goub0 It doesn't have to be your best "healer" just anyone in the party with the heal spell. Notice in the video I used a Paladin rather then the Magic User.
SplashKhat 3 months ago
thank you so much just got the pants now im trying for the boots and helmet
awesom40 3 months ago
Thank you Good sir, you have made me quite delighted.
RonnocVonCheeseball 4 months ago
does it stay on
ThePlato90 4 months ago
@ThePlato90 *it*? Not enough question to answer.
SplashKhat 4 months ago
@iNeohero Grats on the gauntlets! Changing your party size will not matter. I know your excited but take your time to not skip any steps like quicksave and restart the DS. And be careful with your math & magical mending numbers when you put them in the website. I also make notes how many times I cast heal. Just keep practicing and earning those rare's!
SplashKhat 5 months ago
YES YES YES IT WORKED I GOT VESTA GAUNTLETS!!!!! time 4 invicible trousers :D
iNeohero 5 months ago
can u heal in battle, or does that count as a box along on the table?
epb45 5 months ago
@epb45 @2:42 in the video. "You can use Anything in battle, just not Coup De Grace". However if the boss summons another monster (Shogum) It will advance you 1 cell each time he does.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
Alright, I get it now. Thanks for your time and help!
rylenthedragon 5 months ago
Ok, I think I get it. So is the first row the only one I need to look at? Also is there any way that I might move down to a lower row on the table?
rylenthedragon 5 months ago
@rylenthedragon Not to be rude, but are you reading everything? You need to use the entire table. The table is read like a calendar. When you reach Saturday on a calendar, Sunday is the first day of the next row. The same is true for using the Hoimi table. The numbers on the outside of the table is simple math. Look to the left and top of any cell and add the numbers. Left is 0 Above is +10 = 10. Left is 10 Above+1 = 11. When you heal 11 times you are on Cell 11 which is on the 2nd row.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean the whole table. The table doesn't have red or blue markings in the first row. And could you explain in depth how to pinpoint your location on the chart (I didn't understand your last comment, sorry)?
rylenthedragon 5 months ago
@rylenthedragon You need to use the entire table, I was lucky to get red on the first row for the video. The table is read like you would read a calendar. You advance each cell by casting Heal. Since you have already cast Heal 5-6 times to get the table, then you would be on Cell 5 or 6 accordingly. If you look at the numbers in those first 5 cells they are exactly the amount you have already healed. For example if your last heal was 56, then you are on the cell with the 56.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
@rylenthedragon true, somebody should do that (-_-) i get lost when how to pin point location.
TatsujaTakamotsu 5 months ago
What does it mean when you don't get any colored squares and what are the vertical numbers on the side for?
rylenthedragon 5 months ago
@rylenthedragon I have never heard of one with no colors, blue or red. Check your settings at the top of the table. By default the first 3 should be 100, 10.00, 2.00. Press the button on the right to make these changes. If you still don't see any red change that first number to 200 and press the button on the right.
The table is read by adding the numbers on the side (10,20,30) with the numbers on top(+1, +2). So a red on 20, +3 is cell #23.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
HEEEEEELLL YEAH it worked thanks!!!
MrJGamer17 5 months ago
THIS DONT WORK AL LOAD OF BS
iNeohero 5 months ago
@iNeohero ITS A LOAD OF BS
iNeohero 5 months ago
@iNeohero explain what you did (details), and I'll show you what your doing wrong.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
@SplashKhat Well i done all your steps ,got low health, quick save, restart ds, note MM for healer, done heal 5 times & wrote the stuff down (all of it) got few links then did it again and got 1 link, i did the nr of correct heals so i can reach b4 the red square but it aint workin -.- and now when i do it i only get blue squares whats up with that!!!!!!!!!
iNeohero 5 months ago
@iNeohero list for me the numbers for your heals. Then I can look at the same chart. Tell me how many times you cast heal before you fought the boss, and what boss are you fighting?
If there are no red, it may be easier to just lose health and start again. But if your determined, then change the number at the top left of the page *100* to 200 and press the button on the right. Scroll way down and you should see some red.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
@SplashKhat oh and this helped me yet again. now i have the galaxy axe!
spartamixfan 5 months ago
@SplashKhat heals : 40, 45 43, 44, 40 & 40 (got no red squares)
8 before i fight boss and im fighting equinox
iNeohero 5 months ago
@iNeohero Are you looking at the entire table? It's very rare to not have any red squares. Also, I don't know your magical mending number to be able to find your chart.
And no it doesn't matter if you are using the UK version.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
@SplashKhat my magical number is 107 and im looking at the first row other rows i have some reds
iNeohero 5 months ago
@iNeohero OH! You just need to use the entire table. Not just the first row!! read the last couple of days of comments. rylenthedragon had this same problem on how to use the table. Maybe my comments there will be what you need.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
@SplashKhat serious???? i thought only the first row cuz u had it -.- ill re try in a sec
iNeohero 5 months ago
@iNeohero Yep, same thing the other guy thought. I was just lucky in the video.
SplashKhat 5 months ago
@SplashKhat Btw im in europe does that matter?
iNeohero 5 months ago
Hey i done every step but it didnt work whats going on???
iNeohero 5 months ago
@iNeohero oh wait i c now i went on a website and it told me i needa click green link so im gonna try that
iNeohero 5 months ago
Do you have to flip the option from 'JP' to 'US'?
Aniblast 6 months ago
@Aniblast Yes, the 2 versions are not the same. It will still work the majority of the time. But sometimes you will see that there is no Seed after your math is correct.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat Yeah, that's exactly what happened. It showed a red Seed at that & I thought it could work. Got it to work in the end though, so thanks a bunch! :)
Aniblast 6 months ago
By the way, can you use the same character getting healed (in the first 5-6 times) as your healer?
Aniblast 6 months ago
@Aniblast Not sure I understood that question. Yes, use the same healer. No, it doesn't matter who you heal. As long as you can calculate how much is being healed.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat Sorry about the confusion. I was asking if the character that I'd be healing could be the same character as the healer in question. IOW, could I have a 1-man team with the main character also being the healer & still have this be successful? Based on what you've said, it seems so.
Aniblast 6 months ago
@Aniblast Yes, the character doesn't matter. In the video Gengi healed himself, just like you are wondering.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat hey buddy. sorry to bother you again but if i want say...a 6% drop would i need to either be 2 spaces away from a red square or just in front of a blue square?
spartamixfan 6 months ago
First, Blue is 10% chance or less, its not perfect for a 6% drop. At the top of the Hoimi table you'll see a list of numbers. By default, in order, they are: 100-Cells. 10.00-Blue. 2.00-Red. Just change the 2.00 to 6.00 and press the button on the right. everything 6% or less will now be Red. Now, if this is for the 2nd rare item from the treasure map boss, then yes, 2 squares before the Red is what you need. Happy Hunting!~
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat alright! thanks again! its just now i have a stardust sword and i need silver orbs off baramos. and hes level 16. but now im stuck weather i should make the galaxy axe or the hypernova sword. ah well ill decide myself. tsk. decisions, decisions.
spartamixfan 6 months ago
@SplashKhat and (sorry if im bothering you) for an alchemiracle would i need to change the 10.00% to the percentage for the alchemiracle? like as in i go up to krak pot after i get hurt and quicksave and check the alchemiracle percentage then get out and heal and try it then? cuz i am not going to get all that stuff again. took me ages. :P
spartamixfan 6 months ago
@spartamixfan lose HP, Warp to town, Quicksave, restart the DS, calculate the Hoimi Table 1 before the Blue square. TaDa~. Yes I think you said it right. 10% is the base success for Alchemiracle, you can use it as it is or change it to whatever % you need. It doesn't matter when you look at the success chance from the pot.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat ok. well tsk. i tried an alchemiracle and got disappointing results...i went for a supernova sword and all i got was a hypernova sword! :P
spartamixfan 6 months ago
@spartamixfan The Hypernova Sword IS alchemiracle. lol gratz.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat thanks. and ik hypernova sword is alchemiracle. i was just joking. :P
spartamixfan 6 months ago
@Gaaaaamer Yes but this also works for Alchemiracle. That's days worth of items just for 1 chance. May as well learn how to do the trick before you really need it.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@splasHkhat How do you get the the more common rare drop
TheDragonQuester1 6 months ago
@TheDragonQuester1 the 5% or 10% 2nd treasure map rare? Instead of 1, Just line up 2 spaces before the red on the Hoimi table.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
on the new site should I use JP or US? (I bought the game in europe)
PsychoJolteon2 6 months ago
If you die and go back and fight again will it still work
XMinecraftNightmareX 6 months ago
@XMinecraftNightmareX You will need to start the trick over at the begining before fighting the boss.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat does yo's magical mending have to be 85?
spartamixfan 6 months ago
@spartamixfan No, you need to put there the Magical Mending of your character who is casting heal.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat ok. well i figured it out since i got some vesta gauntlets. ill go as a thief next time though cuz they only get heal and their magical mendings bad so yeah. i say its gonna work! im gonna get invincable trousers next
spartamixfan 6 months ago
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Dragonicafan 6 months ago
@SplashKhat do i start over again if i almost overhealed and then lost some hp again so i dont overheal?
Dragonicafan 6 months ago
@Dragonicafan The EU version of the game is compatible with the US selection on the site. Depending *how* you lost more HP you may have to restart. If you fought a monster, restart. If you walked through lava, keep going. If you have multiple party members hurt, you can heal them as long as you are using the same healer.
And lastly, use group heal to advance quickly on the table. A party of 3 will advance you 3 cells. 4=4 etc. so 90 squares becomes no problem.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat wait, using multiheal? or just heal all???
Dragonicafan 6 months ago
@Dragonicafan Heal All is just for one person, Multiheal heals each person in your party, thats the one you want. For each person healed in your party you advance 1 square. A full party is 4 squares.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat oh thank you :)
Dragonicafan 6 months ago
to get to the red position i must heal 90 times -.- lets restart -.-
Dragonicafan 6 months ago
@splashkat so how do you go down a row?
XMinecraftNightmareX 6 months ago
@XMinecraftNightmareX just keep casting heal. The top row is 1-10. 2nd row 11-20. etc.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@splashkat i dont understand this how do i know which row to use?
XMinecraftNightmareX 6 months ago
@XMinecraftNightmareX Like a Calender, start at the top/left.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat actually does defeating monsters get your place up on the table?
spartamixfan 6 months ago
@spartamixfan Yes of course it does, but not in a predictable way to help you move along the Hoimi table quickly. The only thing you could do is cast group heal. Each person you have in your party will move the Hoimi table up 1. So a full party would move you up 4 from each cast of the spell. My party in the video would only move up 2.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat ok but thats actually if you do it after you save so....i just do the healing way. and i got myself a pair of invincible trousers and a pair of hero's boots! tnx. and i might make a vid of how to use the table too if there isnt enough vids about it. :P
spartamixfan 6 months ago
im guessing this works with legacy bosses and all monsters too
Fanntasticful 6 months ago
@Fanntasticful Legacy:Yes. Normal monsters:Not really. I think the normal monsters % was reversed, or they draw from a different cell based on where they stand in battle. I'm sure its documented somewhere, but its not the exact same method.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
Sorry, I just needed clarification.. I can get the 2% rare drops np, i was wondering how to get the 5% common drop? You said to be 2 squares before or after the red square?
mizippy 6 months ago
@mizippy Yes. 2 before the red square instead of 1 before. When you defeat the boss the Hoimi table advances 1 square and checks for the 2% treasure, then advances 1 more square and checks for the 5% treasure. Although rare, it is possible to get both treasures. Just look for 2 red squares together on the Hoimi Table.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat oh nevermind, i found out what i did wrong, thanks so much for the video
Fanntasticful 6 months ago
@SplashKhat Awesome, thanks for the quick reply to!
mizippy 6 months ago
i queick saved and everything, i did everything this video told me to do and i did not use coup de grace
Fanntasticful 6 months ago
@Fanntasticful Just try again. Also, the Boss Shogum can mess up your Hoimi table. there is a comment about him not far down.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
@SplashKhat yes i know, i tried on nemean i tried again but most of the time i try, the first red block ends up being 30-40 spaces down
Fanntasticful 6 months ago
@Fanntasticful If you use group heal, you can advance the Hoimi table based on how many people are in your party. So a full party will advance the table 4 cells with each cast. My party of 2 people will only advance me 2 for each cast. It makes moving 40 cells alot easier.
SplashKhat 6 months ago
I did this, on the chart i was infront of the red square, it didnt work, can anyone help?
Fanntasticful 6 months ago
cant you just "heal" 12 times and get it?
leewardstyle 7 months ago
@leewardstyle no, each time you turn on the DS your "random numbers" come from a list of numbers. This list or Hoimi Table is picked at random. This technique allows you to find what Hoimi Table you are in so you predict the results.
SplashKhat 7 months ago
btw would it matter if you bring a four-man cell team? cus i noticed you only brought 2
jojofan2k7 7 months ago
@jojofan2k7 Doesn't matter. It's possible to use a heal-all spell to advance on the Hoimi table quickly. With my party of 2 each heal-all would only advance me 2 squares. While a full party will advance you 4 squares for each cast of heal-all. That's the only difference a full or small party would make.
SplashKhat 7 months ago
i think i might be doing it right, i got 3 miracle swords from shogum in my last 5 fights with him. am i doing it wrong? i want to get his 2% drop
jojofan2k7 7 months ago
@jojofan2k7 Shogum is a very tricky boss to use this trick on. Thats because each time he summons help, it will advance you on the Hoimi table 1 square. The best tactic is to leave yourself 2 or 3 extra squares before the Red square, and let Shogum summon help that same number of times before you defeat him.
SplashKhat 7 months ago
hey how do you find out where you are on the homoi table?
jojofan2k7 7 months ago
@jojofan2k7 Hoimi roughly translates to "Heal", Save the game and reset the DS puts you at the beginning of your table. The table is like a Calender, you start at the top left, So starting with each time you cast heal to get your table(usually 5 or 6) you can find out where you are.
SplashKhat 7 months ago
I got this to work! One thing to note, after you've figured out which Hoimi Table to use, it doesn't matter if your characters get to full health. Every time you ATTEMPT to heal it shifts you one on the table, even if the game tells you that person can't be healed anymore, and uses no MP.
Cyiode 7 months ago
@Cyiode there is a caption saying this exact thing @2:34 in the vid. Gratz on the treasures.
SplashKhat 7 months ago
@SplashKhat ahh I see, some of the captions come up so quick I didn't notice it. Also the caption says "it's OK to heal over your max HP" which implies you actually cast heal with a little less HP and hit the maximum, not that you can just keep attempting to heal even though the heal fails.
Cyiode 7 months ago
@Cyiode Yea i agree, text alone isn't enough. The video was made because we only had text instruction to begin with. So I timed that caption to appear right when the video shows Gengi casts a heal that fails, just so its clear. If there's a next time, I'd do a voice over instruction. Cheers~
SplashKhat 7 months ago
Thanks a bunch! It worked perfectly and now I am the proud owner of a Soul Sucker.
redchakra99 7 months ago
For alchemiracale do you get to the square before the red or blue square and then fight the boss? Or do you get to the square before the red or blue square, and then NOT fight the boss and evac and head straight to the alchemy pot? Help!
redchakra99 7 months ago
@redchakra99 Once your HP is low(you can do this anywhere), Warp to town and Quicksave. Reset the DS, Load, and Calculate the Hoimi table before a Red or Blue square then use the Alchemy Pot.
SplashKhat 7 months ago
aarrrgg i dont get it its not working!!!!!
Und34dy 7 months ago
WOW this is a nice FIND, actually finding out what the RNG of rare item drops in this game is AMAZING.
naraku578 8 months ago
anyone know how this stuff gets calculated? is this someone who has dissected the game files and found the algorithm for the "random" number generator? this is intriguing as hell. thanks for the great explanations in this video as well. 470 hours in and wouldve loved to have known about this a while ago
killpineapple 9 months ago
@killpineapple Actually its the illusion of being an algorithm. This game uses is a fixed array of numbers called a seed. Whenever the game needs a 'random number' it simply pulls the next number off of the seed, adds some bonus numbers such as your Magical Mending, and gives you a result. Each of these seeds have been extensively documented. The fascinating part is the website reverse calculating your mending bonus's from your heal's to locate which seed you are on.
SplashKhat 9 months ago
@SplashKhat fascinating that people have figured this out. im normally opposed to quasi-cheating, but im 500 hours into the game and would like to not have to wait for 2% items in chests and alchemiracles. thanks very much for a surprisingly polite reply (im used to boards)
killpineapple 9 months ago
this stuff isnt working for me anymore, im trying against trauminator for pros axe and hero boots but even when i get to the % below 2 that are red i get nothing at all.
Is there a specific row of numbers I should use? 3 of my pary are lvl 99 one is lvl 50
jv9ufxcy 9 months ago
@jv9ufxcy Hmm. sounds like your not counting the number of heals properly. the table begins at +1 and ends with +10. Each row down is +10. So the 1st cell on the 2nd row would be 11. The 1st cell on the 3rd row is 21. Make sense? If the red cell is on 12 you need to heal only 11 times total. Thats 5 or 6 heals you used at the start + however many more you need to reach 11. Then kill the boss and get your treasure
SplashKhat 9 months ago
Thank you because After understanding I needed the number before the color i had restarted over and ver if there was no number on the first row
jv9ufxcy 9 months ago
@jv9ufxcy In the video I was lucky to have it on the first row. Usually it takes alot more healing.
SplashKhat 9 months ago
should probably do it on multiple characters...oh and also, what about those poison swamps that appear in the ground that make your hp go down? does that count? and also what about the things your healer is wearing? dont some things make your healers magical mending go up???
shinymew10002 9 months ago
@shinymew10002 You only need to bring your HP down low, a poison swamp could work just fine. I wouldn't change your equipment to something less unless you are going to fight the boss that way. You should use the worst healer in the group. If that healer needs to heal another person thats fine.
SplashKhat 9 months ago
it isnt working for me, i keep running out of hp and it goes up to the full. :( i really want the brain drainer that sir sanguinus drops...
shinymew10002 9 months ago
Gawd, the Black Mages version of Otherworld is, in my opinion, the worst song the Black Mages have ever done. They're one of my favorite bands, but this song should never have been made(along with Matoya's Cave theme and the awful female vocals from Darkness and Starlight).
FFFan3445 10 months ago
hey does this same priciple work for legacy bosses?
jedebklyn 10 months ago
@jedebklyn yep. And for Alchemiracle to upgrade all that equipment.
SplashKhat 10 months ago
I GOT IT I GOT IT!! LOL thanks man! just took some practice!
jedebklyn 10 months ago
ok dude last question and I'll leave you alone cause I know you must get bugged about this alot. Does it matter who's health I bring down the lowest? or should I focus on bringing down just the main characters health before I save or can I choose any character?
jedebklyn 10 months ago
I was reading about the group heal and how it moves 4 boxes but then you say in the video not to heal the the character you are healing to full?
jedebklyn 10 months ago
@jedebklyn Yes they are 2 different things. First you need to find your chart. Do not heal to full so that you can properly calculate. When you have your chart, you can use group heal to advance quickly to the red cell.
SplashKhat 10 months ago
i know you must get this alot but I don't get it. When ever I do the calculations I don't see a red box unless it's like 4 or 5 rows down. I brought a low level healer (132 mending) but all the other 3 characters are 99 , 88, 48
jedebklyn 10 months ago
@jedebklyn Use the character with the lowest magical mending. It's normal to get a red cell further then in the video. I was just lucky. If you have a full group (4 characters) You can use group heal to advance 4 cells each time. I did not include that in the video because my play style is with 2 characters.
SplashKhat 10 months ago
does it matter if you're using a high level character? cause I see you're using lvl 30+. the magical mending of my character is 500+. I ask because i have not been able to calculate the drops correctly.
jedebklyn 10 months ago
@jedebklyn Bring a character that has a low Magical Mending score and use them as your healer. Also, you can heal more then one person. Just don't heal above their max HP to calculate correctly.
SplashKhat 10 months ago
This worked wonders i got giants hammer
jv9ufxcy 10 months ago
when you say repeat step 6 do you mean heal again?
my health is nearly full what do i do?
jv9ufxcy 10 months ago
i keep getting error 404 going to the site
Aerossanimeguy 11 months ago
@Aerossanimeguy make sure you have captions turned on, there's also the updated link in the movie details.
SplashKhat 11 months ago
@SplashKhat how do you turn on captions?
Aerossanimeguy 11 months ago
i highly recommend you translate
Pooman442 11 months ago
Since when is Otherworld [The Song Playing] not a hard rock song? Search it up and see what i am talking about.
DisgaeaLover101 11 months ago
i, got a dragontail whip......
StupidNoobzTV 1 year ago
lol dude i did it how i was supposed to, i didnt get any drops except a new stupid map
Dragonicafan 1 year ago
@Dragonicafan No, you didn't. Start again and carefully calculate. If Boss Shogum summons enemies it will advance the table 1 cell each time and mess up your calculation, you have to plan ahead if you are fighting him.
SplashKhat 1 year ago
@SplashKhat shizzle. mh sorry
Dragonicafan