J.S. Bach- Johannes-Passion - Von den Stricken meiner Sünden

[jusitke07]

boring :- \

[raquelrefuerzo]

You are just an amazing singer... though by now you have lost your alto voice, I'm sure you still have an excellent voice....

[Zerlina12]

@raquelrefuerzo Yes he has. He is about 40 years old now. And if you search by his name here on Youtube you can´hear and see him as adult singer. Still singing Bach :)

[Amunhotep4th]

It is my opinion that Christian Immler, Panito Iconomou and Fredric Jost are in rare company as they are examples of the finest boy altos I have ever heard. If there is any boy alto that should be in this exclusive "club", then I would like to know. Each of these altos far surpasses the quality that is reasonably to be expected - for they are truly gems ! :-)

[Zerlina12]

@Amunhotep4th I think that also Niklas Mallman from the same chor had a really good altovocie.

If you write Tölzer quak Frosh you can hear him sing.

[DarrylXE]

So eine Stimme! Wie alt ist der im Video? 14?

[SophiaMacLoren]

@DarrylXE ja.

[AlyseChiekonr297]

hmz wie geil hab 3 brüste

[LELLOFFE]

this piece need to be too slow!!

not good esecution!!

[PrickStanda]

ausgezeichnet!

[Altatrinitabeata]

A DVD with that stunning performance is available at Amazon.de - for example...:)

[ifrog2007]

Unglaublich! 

[UhOhhhhhhhhh]

Wow!

[Twjdfa]

El fondo de la musica esta llamando a la puerta mientras contesta la voz de la suplica....movimientos envolventes cambiando el tema para volver otra vez al tema principal....PERFECTO!! los instrumentos de viento van casi alonisum polifonia gloriosa y armonica...pero esta obra siempre tiene el miollo de Bach en jesus....

[vidarvebe]

Sicher und schön gesungen ! Grüsse aus Norwegen!

[gorefrit]

das ist imo schlichtweg unerträglich.

so macht bach keinen spaß... :(

[strachs100]

To 'Sousique' (1 month ago) I say this is indeed as close to perfect boy alto as you can be. The timbre of his voice and full 'forte' at the end is amazing. But each to their own! Cheers..

[sousique]

not perfect

[p0pkillerrr]

heerlijke stem, deze jongensalt! ik heb latere opname van deze jonge zanger gehoord, grandioze verder-ontwikkeling! op de instzrumentale begeleiding kan men technische kritiek gelden laten, maar godzijdank doet dat niets af aan de uitvoering des jongen zangers!!

[spwpawlak]

Oula à 3.30 min ça balance !!! superbe :)^^

[oxxxxymoron]

angelic voice...these kids never seize to amaze me...sublime

[Sochilinda]

@oxxxxymoron he now as a baritone also sings wonderfully! his part in messe in h-moll is beautiful.

[HyangAk]

what a beautiful boy! what is his name?

[FRUIZable]

¿Extraordinario!

[Boromir33]

Where can I find all concert to download?

[ichmalealsobinich]

@Boromir33 You can buy Harnoncourts performance of the Johannes Passion from Johann Sebastian Bach with the Tölzer Knabenchor as DVD from Deutsche Grammophon under the Order No. 004400734291 at amazon.com or at the Tölzer Knabenchors homepage in full HD- and hifi quality for only 18€. And, it's a much better investition than in Credit Default Swaps ;)

[DavesTrumpet]

Just purchased and watched the entire DVD of this performance tonight. Without doubt, the two boy altos stand out as the best arias in this performance, and I don't mean that to lessen anyone else's performance here, but the two altos are just that good! Of course, Equiluz is incredible in his role as Evangelist- what a powerful voice!

Thanks again for posting this and bringing attention to this excellent performance!

[Bachmania28]

Incredible voice but the oboes are soooo out of tune

[paulineyml]

i really like it

i can feel is passion

[DavesTrumpet]

What an incredibly powerful voice! Bravo!

[swampagIsCool]

how old is that kid?

[Zerlina12]

@swampagIsCool 14 years old

[strachs100]

Like his colleague in the same concert, Panito Economou, this youngster, Christian, has an extraordinarily beautiful voice that has given me much pleasure since first recording the original concert on vcr sometime in the 80's. And good to note Maestro Harnancout's brief nod at the end. I think that meant 'well done' - and I wouldn't blame him!

[Monstexitus]

wie der schaut, wenn er singt xDDDDD

als ob ihm seine hose zu eng wär...

[Paneuropax]

Wunderbar :)

[Marieblink182]

sieht nicht schlecht aus :D

[IngridAtenea]

WoW, me he quedado enamorada de este chico... Qué voz, qué guapo!!!

[sfkcbf]

Christian Immler had a most remarkable voice. How wonderful that this recording was preserved. Harnoncourt and Concentus Musicus Wien always have impressed me as very high quality as well. Certainly worthy of saving to Favorites and 5 stars.

[ClarinetistJuan]

Those baroque oboes are quite out of tune.

[xp145]

If by "out of tune" you mean to say that they do not use equal temperament, then I think you are right, but they are in tune as far as baroque oboes go. I personally love the sound of the baroque oboe and prefer it to the modern oboe any day of the week. Modern oboes are too mechanistic. They sound just a little too perfect, and they lose their true character amid all the perfection, if that makes any sense.

[tato4527]

hermosísima voz.

[klassicalkid90]

Really good boy contraltos are very rare!!!!!

He is AMAZING!!!!!!!!! The color and quality of his voice for his age is FANTASTIC!!!!!! A true boy contralto!!!!!!!

[allafleche]

alto actually not contralto.

[terryleebo]

What impresses me most is at 3:38 and how he brings power to his voice without strain. I play this for my 11 mo. baby boy to expose him to musical excellence, he is crying now because it stopped.

[terryleebo]

3:28, actually

[IpsaPaphum]

Powerful boy alto!

[Yamadon86]

Fantastic!

[cabbalistic]

The alto does a great job. :)

[glantz91]

* [EDIT] (lol problem)

[felisdomesticus5676]

He's amazing!

[glantz91]

Awesome, but Isn't it somewhat untuned?

[wcbroccoli]

What is "it"?

[glantz91]

Ehh now that I've heard the video more than 10 times (I love it!! :), "It" became the beginning with the baroque oboe duet, when the second part enters, and sometimes when they

extemporize, but, It's not such a big probem, no? (:

[wcbroccoli]

No problem. I just wasn't sure what you were refering to. I wondered if you meant intonation.

I also heard that glitch in the 2nd oboe entrance. I'm not a reed player, so I don't know what might cause this, but I'd guess his reed misspoke because it was full of spit. Something like when a singer gets a false start due to a "frog" in his voice that he needs to clear out.

[Zerlina12]

I heard this aria yesterday om TV-channel Mezzo, with a adult singer a countertenor. I like countertenors often, but I think Christian here are doing it better, this is the best version I heard so far.

[AlexHwang90]

is this Latin? and is there any album of them?

[Emilmt]

It´s in German

[colenso05]

This performance is available on Deutsche Grammophon and currently available.The Tolzers have a huge recorded legacy which is detailed on their website.

[LUCREZIATITA]

magnificent alto!

very sweet!

[rodegek]

somehow I do not like this kind of bassoon vibrato..hheehe

[LUFTRITTER01]

Precioso! Bellísimo!

[andrewjutub]

Jakoś nie przepadam za tego typu muzyką.

Somehow I do not like this type of music.

[Zerlina12]

bad for you ;)

[okzidentalCrusader]

very bad indeed ;)

[brahms1984]

Heavenly!

[SUITESJSB]

Herrlich.

[Vihor189]

Very, very nice...

[loupblanc26]

magnifique interprétation Christian!

[Sonnenengel1]

einfach nur wunderbar

(-: *Sonni* :-)

[NYCBG]

Incredibly sublime.

[Zerlina12]

I love when he sings so strióng around 3:31

he almost sounds like a countertenor then.

[youknowImsaying]

astonishing peace of art!

[skygemax]

Very good!!!

[brodusk]

Sou do Brasil e cada dia ou tempo que escuto o divino Bach mais me convenço da existencia de Deus!!! simplismente algo divindo a musica deste homem! verdadeiramente inspirado por Deus

[sundaybloddysunday]

Deuus, qui nobis sub sacramentum mirabili, passionis memoriam reliquisti, tribue ita nos corporis et sanquinis tue sacra mysteria venerari, ut redemptionis in iugiter sentiamus! Qui vivis et regnas in saecular saeculorum!

[sundaybloddysunday]

Da geht einem ja das Herz auf.....eine klare und jugendliche Bassstimme.....

[Gonnakillyou]

Meinten sie: Alt?

[sundaybloddysunday]

Ja, eigentlich meinte ich Alt. Erst als es abgeschickt war, habe ich meinen Faupás erkannt. Aber nach dem Stimmbruch ist aus dieser Stimme mit Sicherheit kein Tenor geworden...

[piasecznik]

Nein, er ist Bassbariton.

[sundaybloddysunday]

Sicherlich ist aus dieser Stimme eine tiefe, volle Männerstimmlage geworden, aber hier singt er eindeutig im Alt. Siehe Titelbeschreibung:

alto soloist: Christian Immler

[piasecznik]

Ja, ich merke schon, dass das hier kein Bassbariton ist. Aber das war als Antwort auf diesen Beitrag gedacht-

"Ja, eigentlich meinte ich Alt. Erst als es abgeschickt war, habe ich meinen Faupás erkannt. Aber nach dem Stimmbruch ist aus dieser Stimme mit Sicherheit kein Tenor geworden..."

Aus der Stimme ist kein Tenor, sondern ein Bassbariton geworden.

[gzaenker]

hey guys, I don't understand all the gibberish about 'bass bariton or alto .... - man, Christian Immler has a beautiful voice and he is very talented. Do we know his age and the 'Stimmbruch' - it doesn't matter. When you listen this, close your eyes and listen with your whole body, not just with your intellectual 'understanding' of the work. To understand means 'to stand under'.

[giveme89]

ich finds geil!

[coolsnak3]

those oboes sound like they got beat in the face. lol

[fercha90s]

¡Me encantaría ver la Pasión según San Mateo con los mismos intérpretes! :D

[amicamusica2008]

Es gibt auch Vokale, nicht nur "ö"s!

Zitat bei 2:30:

"Völlig zu heulen" - genau, das ist es- zum Heulen!

[fercha90s]

Völlig zu heilen!! ¬¬'

[lefuet666]

Einfach nur PERFEKT !!!

Wünschenswert, wenn auch in heutiger Zeit bei Aufführungen der Bach-Passionen, die Arien von Knabenstimmen gesungen würden, - wie dies eigentlich auch ursprünglich vorgesehen war...

[Gonnakillyou]

Meiner Ansicht nach sollten Frauenstimmen ohnehin nur da eingesetzt werden, wo es anders keinen Sinn macht (zu hohe Ansprüche an die Lungenkapazität, weibliche Rolle in einer Darbietung, sowas). Die Jungenalternativen sind allesamt angenehmer im Klang.

[cavalleriarusticable]

@Gonnakillyou

Dem würde ich nicht zustimmen. Abgesehen davon, dass Knaben häufig nur unzureichend die Tiefe des Gesungenen herüberbringen können (was ich nicht verallgemeinern will. Können auch viele Altistinnen nicht!) Die Frage ist auch- was hätte Bach genommen, wenn er die WAHL gehabt hätte. Knabenstimmen sind an sich fragiler, inkonstanter und weniger berechenbar als die Stimmen erwachsener Profis. Die großartige Leistung der Knaben in den Elitechören der Welt soll das nicht schmälern.

[ichmalealsobinich]

Toll! Ich wußte gar nicht, daß man als Junge auch so gut Alt singen kann.

[laughne]

You will always find that kind of critic.

I attended the h-moll last spring with TKC in Leipzig. Some critics were crying, looking for fat divas instead of poor skinny treble. But what did JSB write ?

And about Harnoncourt, his last Zauberflöte (2007) is with Daniel Krähmer, Eric Price and Frederic Jost.

Are not they boys ? Are not they Toelzers ?

The beautiful will always win !

[tkbewunderin79]

Hab grade 'ne häßliche Kritik gelesen: "Wenn man diese Aufnahmen hört, scheint es, als jemand den Kindern zuvor gebrüllt hat. Oder vielleicht war es die N Aufnahmeprobe. Nach 20 Jahren bleibt Harnoncourt natürlich keine Lust mehr, mit Kindern zu arbeiten". Oh, ich bin traurig! Wie kann man so etwas sagen? Dieser Kritiker hat ja keine Ahnung!

[Gonnakillyou]

Nicht all zu selten haben Kritiker nur von wenig mehr als dem Kritisieren eine Ahnung.

[tristan23be]

I listen every day to this recording. I've heard it already many times also live at a concert. But this is awesome. The way he sings... it touches me in the heart.

[tkbewunderin79]

The recording of Mathäuspassion was for tv ORF1; they could so make a video, that were wonderful! But whan, meine Herren? Werden sie es mal tun oder wird solches Kunstwerk, solche Arbeit uns verborgen bleiben?

[tkbewunderin79]

Excusez-moi, je ne peux pas envoyer des réponses, je ne sais pas pourquoi! Mais oui: c'est dommage pour nous tous et pour la musique, pour Bach...! Oh, je voudrais cet enregistrement! Doyez-vous excuser mon mauvais Français!

[tristan23be]

Do they have a cd: Johannes or Matthäuspassion?

[tkbewunderin79]

Sehr gut gesungen, Herr Immler, herzlichsten Glückwunsch! Wissen Sie was? Es gibt eine Fassung der Mathäuspassion, mit denselben Solisten... Zumindest ist Panito dabei. Es handelt sich auch auf eine übertragung des ORFs im Rahmen der Grazer Estyriarte (1985). Diese Aufnahme schläft im Archiv, warum wird sie nicht veröffentlicht? Sollen wir das Archiv überfallen? :-) Wie lange müssen wir warten, bis zum nächsten Jubiläum? Das ORF kann mir auch keine Kopie verkaufen. Ich weine bitterlich!

[laughne]

C'est absolument dommage pour.. nous tous !

[laughne]

on boysoloist, look at Immler

[laughne]

I wrote and repeat: you can buy the DVD now

everywhere ! It's NTSC, region free !

[Zerlina12]

can you give the webadress where I can find it?

[fmluna89]

does anyone has the traduction of this piece?

[laughne]

Look for Bach Cantatas

then Translation texts

then BWV 245

then first part / 7

From the bondage of my errors

Me to deliver

Is my Savior fettered.

He from all my body's torments,

Fully to heal me,

Lets himself be wounded.

[fmluna89]

thanks :)

[villa72]

He's a bit stiff but excellent interpretation. Typical Harnancourt.

[picardythirds]

It is interesting that sometimes his voice almost has the quality of a tenor's, as opposed to an alto. Wonderful sound and clean scales. He must be close to his voice change here though...

[Zerlina12]

I think he sounds very close to be a countertenor i some notes. And he sings very clean as you say. He must have been one of the bests boyaltos in the choir ever. He and Panjitos.

[stormgd3]

Can you imagine Herr Schmidt-Gaden in those days, having such magnificent altos at the same time? Like having two point guards who can score 20 and make 10 assists.

[ssuahneseiw]

Prima! Tölzer is probably the today's best talents font among the knabenchors around the world!

[Zerlina12]

Yes they are

[elton1981]

Wonderfull. never heard such a broad sound from an Alto.

[gaygay17]

ye the boy can sing but listen to the music the ochestra never gets any credit the music maketh rthe man its a double act one is no good without the other

[goldberg72]

grandissimo..chi e' sto ragazzo?

[sophie8977]

simply amazing... I want to watch more videos of him... I know he is know much older

[Zerlina12]

He was 14 years old in this video and it was filmed 1985.

[rosszub]

He seems not doing much effort reaching high or low notes! Is amazing!

[rosszub]

Do you know if this boy is still performing as a singer?

[jmontgomery7577]

Yes, he is a professional bass. Read the comments on

page 3.

[rosszub]

I've heard another versions of this aria, and there's no doubt this is my favorite. That boy's voice is just amazing! Also, the musicians play it really, really good. What a performance!

[jmontgomery7577]

A point of interest, unlike the St. Matthew, there is no definitive version of this Passion. Bach reworked it every year it was presented.

[jmontgomery7577]

Apologies to Paul Esswood. He is the countertenor/alto I was referring to. Kurt Equiluz is a tenor. Somehow, I got the two mixed up. Anyway, if Christian Immler's voice was still unchanged when this was recorded, he was fantastic beyond belief! Either way, his performance was excellent.

[jmontgomery7577]

I've said this at another posting of this same singer, but it bears repeating. He sounds more like a fully developed countertenor than a pre-change boy. (Compare with Kurt Equiluz.) And so much intelligence! He must be really fantastic now!

[holgerqueck]

Wie toll das ist kann leider nicht jeder mitkriegen.... aber klasse, das man so gute und interessante Sachen mal eben bei YouTube sehen kann :)

[dieterkomans]

blödes geschwätz ! - hört euch diese musik an - was

besseres findet ihr nie wieder.kommentare-auch meiner-

überflüssig.

[ABSALLOVER]

he's just at the edge of the Stimmbruch..that sad moment.

[dewhaul]

yeah some boys get to sing all the way up to age 14 before the PUBERTY OF DOOM comes....hahahaa...

[niki123000]

Very good! I have put it as favorite in my website Guestbook. Greetingsssssss

[Zerlina12]

King maurice: No, The kid is not castreded. Every boy can sings so high before they have there vociebreak.

[jmontgomery7577]

You are, of course correct Zerlina12, but baritones can also sound like this when singing in their falsetto range.

[Zerlina12]

But I can understand what you mean, in Christians high tones and when he sings with strong vocie he sounds more like a countertenor then a boyalto...he must have been one of the best altos ever in this chor

[jmontgomery7577]

He must have been one of the best altos ever anywhere!

Nikolas Harnoncourt was singularly lucky he was in his prime at the time of this recording!

[grupetto]

Estoy de acuerdo que la Mattheus Passion es una de las mas grandes obras pero esta NO ES sino la JOHANNES PASSION y el solista es maravilloso. Eso no más

[KingMaurice1888]

is der junge kastriert oder wat ?! ;)

[holgerqueck]

doofe frage

[tkbewunderin79]

Ooooooh, meine Güte!!! Was sagen Sie da?

[evitaercx]

Intresting voice, realy extraordinary.

[Zerlina12]

What do you mean laughne do you really mean this version will come on Deutsche grammophone?

[laughne]

I'll wrote it !

[tkbewunderin79]

And when comes the Mathäuspassion with Harnoncourt and the Tölzer, Panito... (Graz, ORF - 1985)? That sleap in archiv!

[benjo643]

Oh my god! This guy is a professional bass now and teaches at my school (chetham's)!! Haha look how young he is!!

[roxieqt]

A perfect boy alto. Bravo!

[gehaktmolen]

His voice is not very special, but he sings it ok, like it's ment to be.

[Cissy6]

Wow es imporesionante! Tiene una voz maravillosa y una técnia impecable :)

[raquelnog06]

He is like an angel!

I love him... :X

What a tecnic!And what voice!!

[Zerlina12]

I heard him as a kid in some MP3-file,(not this one) and his vocie was so strong so if I didnt know it was a young boys who sang the piece I thougt it was a male soprano a countertenor

[khalileltarik]

Wonderful! C. Immler has sung as a bass in Brazil (Christmas Oratorio)and I was singing in the choir! And now I see him when he was a child! What a surprise!!!

[Zerlina12]

His name is Christian Immler- And he is a Bass-baryton now.

[khalileltarik]

does anybody have Christian Immler e-mail adress?

I sang in a choir in Brazil and he was the soloist. Now, it a surprise for me finding him in this register when he was a child! brave!

[merrymelodie]

what's his name ? loOve his voice !!! ^^"

[Contrapvnctvs]

Hello to everybody who loves Bach but has problems with english. Here I am :) Zerlina: Doctor - LOL

[Zerlina12]

Little Bach every day and you will keep the doctor away...

[stafford4797]

bach the big proud of germany

[Zerlina12]

Og course people are interested too watch videos from Matteuspassion if you them

[Zerlina12]

bach rules!!!

[jarfalsp]

ufa sorry for my english, somebody are interesed in matthew's passion? i so glad to know some one who knows about this music in special bach's passion, and better if you speak spanish

[pope0331]

De paso vivo al momento en el DF. He dirigido este oratorio con un coro de una Iglesia Presbiteriana en Atlanta. Escríbame si esta interesado en saber mas de los oratorios de Bach

[tkbewunderin79]

¡Pues claro que me interesa la Pasión según san Mateo! En 1985 hubo una grabación de la ORF de esta obra, también con Harnoncourt y los Tölzer, pero duerme en un archivo... ¿Cuándo se comercializará? Allí canta Panito como solista, no sé si Immler.

[jarfalsp]

hello somebody is interested in matthew's passion finds out? special somebody that to me happen material but and commentaries in of bach and the passions?

[pope0331]

Esta composición es verdaderamente maravillosa especialmente si tomamos en cuenta que fue escrita para doble coro y orquesta. Todos los textos cantados por "Jesus" los escribió Bach con tinta roja. Mendelssohn redescubrió este oratorio pero las versiones mas auténticas son las que se interpretan en este siglo curiosamente con instrumentos antiguos.

[lvega69]

Pienso quie la Pasión segun San Mateo es lo mas grande que se hahecho en música coral.Es sublime .Podemos intercambiar opiniones

[Zerlina12]

He is about 35 now and I think he is a barytonsinger now

[PureAlto]

It is wonderful that performances such as this are available here. I look forward to hearing his technical progress after his voice changes.

[Zerlina12]

Can I buy this video or DVD in some shop or store?

[bran4805]

To my knowledge this performance is not commercially available, unfortunately. (hopefully it will someday...)

[laughne]

Perhaps in february 2007 from Deutsche Grammophon...

[angelchen1111]

Right now I can find it in amazon, bravo!

[Zerlina12]

Is it more from ths concert how can be uploded here? I will be very happy and my ears will start crying by happiness

[Zerlina12]

He has a beatuful vocie, and he sings the part almost without looking in the notpaper...thats good

[Waterfront1]

Wow.

What a great voice he has. (=

[tonibunny]

Thank you for posting this! It's great to find music like this on YouTube :)

[quaKe8916]

pardon me for asking... but whats the name of the soloist? and hw old is he ?

[bran4805]

His name is Christian Immler and he was 14 years old at the time. You can read more about his biography here: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/B­io/Immler-Christian.htm