Virginia Tech & Death By Drugs (Antidepressants, Shootings)

[casstarr12345]

damn.

[Peacefulrules2]

I read that years ago, the CIA drugged people with LSD as an experiment, without their permission or knowledge, one guy killed himself. it shows that because he wasn't aware of why he was thinking feeling and how distorted his subjective experience was the way it was, he was trapped in a delusion. IF he had known he was having a bad trip he could have waited for the drug to wear off and been ok. that's one of the dangers of being drugged. like date rape also...

[Bassbait]

This isn't the only issue. So many people adress issues that they think are dangerous, and yet have dangerous issues. Anti drug people can be alcoholics, and so forth. Did you know tylenol has alcohol? I say no to any drug or immorality or crap because I'm not stupid. I don't trust a lot of people.

[amyphilo]

Scientfic studies demonstrate that when you raise serotonin you cause aggression etc. Try looking up serotonin syndrome. It's not circumstantial, although this specific example is one "anecdote" of what can happen - and a horrible one at that.

[chiaromontestephen]

@amyphilo death to antidepressants.

[amyphilo]

It is not a stretch to blame a drug for a person's suicide. It's a stretch not to. You're barking up the wrong tree, I lived through the suicidal and homicidal urges on Zoloft for four months before getting off the drug. Thank God for the FDA black box warning, which played a big role in my decision to go off the drug and saved my life and my family.

[amyphilo]

As someone who was homicidal for four months on Zoloft, I don't think it's necessarily a total unconscious state... however, since I never went through with any of the thoughts I was having, I don't know.

[amyphilo]

Look up REM Sleep Behavior Disorder, look into sleepwalking... people can do things that they are not aware of.

The bottom line is that these murders have been committed by people taking drugs that we know cause homicide, and people are not even doing anything about it. It's always 'get them more mental health treatment' when what they needed was less, or none like in my case.

[Mattyouarebeingglib]

Pyschotic people do things they are not aware of or feel no emotions about. However, I think, again, it is a stretch to claim that the VA Tech shooter was in a drug induced trance when he moved from building to building and loaded, shot, and reloaded his weapon.

He was clearly homicidal and expressly articulated his intent in the video prior to shooting people. He was certainly not in a trance in the video.

Fantastic claims should be supported by more than circumstantial evidence.

[Cleric775]

@Mattyouarebeingglib

People can do unbelievable task without their conscious awareness or without others noticing if they are really asleep/sleep-walking.

There's one woman who managed to got out of bed, amazingly rummage through the kitchen cupboards downstairs and carefully putting on contact lenses!

She's been shown the video afterward, just to emphasize the effects of sleepwalking.

[Mattyouarebeingglib]

I am curious as to how Celexa could be listed as the cause of death by a medical examiner for someone that, sadly, committed suicide. Indeed, when you check out the web-page, it tells a little different story.

I also find the "REM-state killings" statements a little dubious. Was the VA Tech killer in a REM state when he made the video directly expressing his plans to kill his classmates? How can someone who is "sleep walking" chamber a round, point at someone, and pull the trigger?

[amyphilo]

What webpage are you referring to? THe reason a medical examiner would list Celexa as the cause of the death (the other cause being the subway train that ran her over) is because Celexa caused her to kill herself.

[Mattyouarebeingglib]

The webpage that the young woman's family runs. For the medical examiner to list celexa as the cause of death would indicate that she overdosed on the drug. I don't see how a medical professional can infer that a drug caused someone to kill themselves. Especially since this occurred months before the FDA black boxed SSRIs/anti-depressants.

Are you sure Celexa didn't just show up on the toxocology report on autopsy? It's a stretch to blame a drug for a person choosing to take their life.

[amyphilo]

The medical examiner listed it as one cause of death. It's pretty obvious to me that the medical examiner could list that because it is his professional informed medical opinion. If you know anything about these drugs at all you know that they are mind altering, and often lead to psychosis, hallucinations, homicidal and suicidal ideation. People have been reporting these problems with antidepressants for years. Go check the website again, it's not a tox report, although toxicity is automatic.

[eyesoverskies]

instead of disputing it, go and LOOK for yourself. Im not one that needs convincing since i KNOW what they do to those I love. Ive seen it 1st hand. Then i found out about why.

its evil and all about power and money. Mind control.

believe it or not....

set out to disprove it instead of disputing it first.

[amyphilo]

I am in touch with Donna Taylor (Mark Taylor's mother) and Dr. Ann Blake Tracy. According to reports from friends of the two shooters, both boys were on drugs. I have the names of the specific ones somewhere. The records for Klebold were sealed. That in itself should be proof to anyone. If they want to disprove it then open the files.

Klebold and Harris discussed their antidepressant use prior to the shootings. Of course this is ignored and denied by those with a vested interest in drugs.

[nirvanakat]

I know Harris was taking Luvox at the time of the attack, he was turned down my the Marine Core because of that. I do know Klebold had St. John's Wort in his system at the time and was reportedly trying to self medicate on that, but his autopsy report showed no medication. If he was on anti-depressants, they said that he weened himself off or quit cold turkey in February. I'd like to know what he was on...

[amyphilo]

Like I said before the info that he was on medication was according to his friends. St. Johns Wort is also serotonergic so assuming he was only on that (which goes against what the witnesses stated) he would still be going crazy on that because it's really no different from an antidepressant. I believe it was Prozac he was on, maybe Prozac and Zoloft together. I will have to double check. Quitting cold turkey is also a very bad idea, and can make you crazier than staying on the drug.

[DonaLuna]

After 14 LONNNNNNNNG years of taking the mind altering, numbing medications for bipolar, I am now very happily, using ALL natural suppliments, to whit, EFA's which as a nation we are 80% deficient in.

Check out the NWO, that could be the reason for the epidemic of pschatric drugging that began in 65 and now is far out of control.

Peace

Dona

[mofunnow]

It's funny that in Britain, New Zealand and Australia the fact that antidepressants work no better than a sugar pill is common knowledge and all over the press while the majority of the USA is a bunch of sheeple believing whatever the TV says. Britain is pursuing alternatives to toxic drugs which include omega-3/fish oils.

[chupamiubre]

No doctor in the world would give some one omega-3 for his "depression" Now a scientologist

would. Why do you hide that makes you so low tone scale? You use these true tragedies to your benefit that sickens me! How many people kill each other when not on drugs??you are roughly 10x more likely to kill when not medicated then when you are. see you

april 12

[amyphilo]

What in the world kind of message is that? April 12??????? What are you talking about. Actually, OMEGA 3 has been proven to be an effective treatment for bipolar disorder, so beneficial that they stopped the study because they considered it UNETHICAL to continue depriving the placebo group of the omega 3. Actually, you are twice as likely to commit suicide on an antidepressant (at minimum). This comes from the FDA. The antidepressants do not even work (according to NEJM, BJM, PLOS)

[amyphilo]

The antidepressants actuallly cause violence in totally normal, innocent people. Please watch my other video - "One Example of Why We Must Stop The MOTHERS Act" - I have lived through this myself I can tell you, I am actually NOT AT ALL LIKELY to kill anyone right now, as opposed to when I was walking around psychotic on Zoloft. Please explain WHAT you are talking about when you say you are going to see me april 12

[amyphilo]

furthermore the only benefit I get out of telling people about the dangers of psych drugs is feeling like maybe the world is a little safer and perhaps another mother does not microwave her baby

[chupamiubre]

actually you are probably getting points from your co or something. Why do you support cchr?

[amyphilo]

What are you talking about? I have no idea what you mean by the first sentence and I am not sure what you meant by the second sentence. what is "getting points from my co" I do not understand. Answer my other questions or I will simply ignore your comments.

[amyphilo]

I guess that must also mean that either you are on drugs, and therefore you believe that you are not at risk of killing someone, or you are NOT on drugs, and are 10 x more likely to kill someone. So which is it?

[amyphilo]

This video is not irresponsible, actually what is irresponsible is people like you pushing killer drugs. If you were the prescribing doctor then you should be responsible for the carnage, however ultimately the drug company and the FDA should be held accountable as well.

[harlowfrost]

you are wrong. you are so wrong.

cho had STOPPED taking the medication, and stopped going to counseling.

He was completely insane, and needed to be medicated.

Talk to people with endogenous depression. Talk to people with schizophrenia. Ask them if they think their medication is beneficial.

Do you not think that perhaps the correlation that needs to be noted is that all these people had a mental illness?

You're so wrong. And this video is irresponsible.

[amyphilo]

Actually Cho's records have been sealed, however at the time that I made this video I was going off of the initial reports that antidepressants were found in his room. Psych drugs clearly cause suicide and homicide. I am not sure why you think the meds are beneficial, they have never been proven to be any more beneficial than a sugar pill. Please read the history of neuroleptics from my website uniteforlife dot org. There is an article pulled from Mad in Amercia which chronicles "antipsychotics"

[amyphilo]

Also, I do not have to talk to any more people to understand this, maybe you should read the research for yourself. Also I can just recall 3.5 years ago when I was on Zoloft and recall for myself how homicidal it made me. Have a splendid day!!!

[eomersmistriss]

who sings this? John Lennon?

[amyphilo]

It's Yer Blues from the White Album by The Beatles... so yes, John Lennon.

BTW, I need help immediately... please sign my petition against the MOTHERS Act (a plan to screen and drug pregnant and postpartum women) go to uniteforlife dot org to get the URL

This is URGENT!

[retardstupidass]

great vid flawless except for the fact that Dylan wasn't on any medication. but stuff like this should be known to people.

[amyphilo]

Yes he was. It came out much later - check the drugawareness listserv archives. Both boys were on meds.

[anymonus777]

Great video this madness has to end.

[Cranny71]

The bad effects of ADs should be discussed in public. Impressive Clip.

[amyphilo]

Silvermane21a, I am going to go spend time with my family and my baby boy now, who would not be here if I had stayed on drugs. He just turned one. I had him at home, without hospital / medical intervention, just a midwife. He was 10 pounds. No tearing. Doctors not required. Maybe you should look into natural health options too.

Good luck! I will check back on your future comments later. And enjoy your drug company sponsorship!

[Silvermane21a]

I have tried therapy alone, hypnosis, group, meditation, vitamins, light therapy, exercise, and pretty much everything else under the sun. Hell, I tried Christianity. Being Canadian I don't have to worry about cost as its all covered so I do explore my options. They work, for awhile, but after a few months I lose the ability to funtion and I end up on medications again.

[amyphilo]

I am sad for you because you are obviously suffering from either something you have not found the right kind of help for, something you can't handle dealing with, or the effects of enormous amounts of drugs on your system. What is the longest you have ever been undrugged and how long and how carefully did you withdraw from meds?

[Silvermane21a]

Free Health Care =/= Equal Drug Company Sponsorship. Infact drug companies stand to lose money in Canada due to medication price caps, and only recieving a percentage from the government for the full cost of medications. Also I have tried natural health options, vitamins, change in diet, exercise, light therapy, meditation, ect. Doctors in here encourage patients to seek alternatives when they are available, our system is very different than the US.

[amyphilo]

I am not sure what this has to do with the video, but thanks for the comment. Surprising that a doctor would state that you should use an alternative to drugs if available! But sounds good to me! Fish oil is pretty much always available. Try 14 tabs a day to lower your serotonin!

[Silvermane21a]

Brynn Hartman was suffering from alcoholism, and a severe addiction to cocaine. The night of the murder, she had mixed her zoloft, with Cocaine and alcohol. The mixture was partly blamed for the murder, not the zoloft alone

[amyphilo]

The worst thing you can do to someone whose brain is already damaged and messed up by addiction is prescribe them a mind altering drug which will further increase cortisol, raise serotonin and prevent it from metabolizing. These drugs are known to make one between two and 12 times as likely to commit suicide.

[Silvermane21a]

And where are you getting this statistic? Also the doctor would have never prescribed zoloft to a person who was still using street drug and drinking alcohol. And the doctor would have not prescribed it if he didn't feel it wouldn't help or it didn't seem to help. Also, on the serotonin; The medications are designed to affect how the brain metabolizes serotonin in order to correct a chemical imbalance caused from it metabolizing too quickly or the brain not producing enough of it.

[amyphilo]

The statistics on suicidality are from the FDA warnings, GSK studies, and Eli Lilly Studies. You can start researching this on breggin dot com or drugawareness dot org

[amyphilo]

So are you trying to say the doctor wasn't liable? Or the drug company? The medications cause permanent inability to metabolize serotonin. When serotonin gets high you go psychotic. There is no chemical imbalance determined before a prescription is written - it is an assumption. If you really think you have too low serotonin you can take tryptophan to create more.

[Silvermane21a]

Alright, either you have taken information out of context or the writter of this information has no understanding how the brain works. If serotonin wasn't metabolised in the brain, you not only would go insane, but you would die or end up brain dead. You are claiming 100% of people who take these medications can't metabolize serotonin, if this were true then everybody who takes these medications would be dead in a matter of weeks, possibly days. I'm sorry but this information is false

[amyphilo]

No, it's not false. Of course one pill is not going to destroy your entire brain. It destroys it slowly. Read the label. It's a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. If you are not a white man then you may not metabolize the drugs the same way as the subjects the drug companies have studied so you better watch out even more.

[Silvermane21a]

If the medication causes the brain not to metabolize it correctly it would cause another chemical imbalence quite quickly, but that is why doctors monitor their patients when starting them on drugs such as paxil or zoloft. If the doctor doesn't then he is negligent and shouldn't be perscribing the medications in the first place.

[amyphilo]

OK first of all you are quite correct - when you take an SSRI you do get additional imbalances throughout the brain very quickly. Second of all, doctors who might be "monitoring" their patients don't do a good job and aren't aware the drugs are this dangerous, or else they never would have prescribed them. Sounds to me like you are trying to put in a good word for Paxil and Zoloft. Yes, doctors who don't monitor patients on the drugs are negligent. And no doctor should ever prescribe kill pills.

[amyphilo]

REM Sleep Deprivation caused by the drugs is compensated for by the brain when it forces one into a sleepwalk state and they act out their worst nightmares. I am not sure whether alcohol causes this but definitely cocaine and Zoloft do. What a horrible mix for Brynn Hartman. Instead of giving her drugs they should have gotten her slowly off the alcohol and cocaine. She didn't stand a chance when they further drugged her.

[Silvermane21a]

Again, they never would have prescribed Zoloft to her if they had known she was still abusing alcohol and taking cocain. She had either started abusing again after being prescribed or the doctor was negligent. Had the latter been true it would have made headlines and the doctor would have probably faced malpractice charges. I seriously doubt he prescribed Zoloft to a patient who took street drugs and was still abusing alcohol

[amyphilo]

Furthermore, you are on 5 medications, all of which together are probably more potent than both cocaine and alcohol. So why would a doctor prescribe you so many powerful drugs? Do doctors not prescribe often toxic combinations that lead to serotonin syndrome and death?

[amyphilo]

But they prescribed you 5 medications... how negligent is that?

[Silvermane21a]

Would you like a photo of my pills or something? Why would I lie about something like that. Here, I'll even give you the dosages. Paxil 80 mg in morning, Effexor 75mg at noon, nova-divalproex(epival) 1000mg at night, risperidal .5 mg at night, clorazepam .5mg three times daily (breakfast, lunch, dinner)

[amyphilo]

You are messing with your own life if you are taking that many drugs. A lot of people call taking risks with your life passive suicide. Rethink this before it is too late. You can get help to safely withdraw.

[Silvermane21a]

In the seven years I have taken my medications I have never sleep walked or acted out my worst nightmares. In fact, I sleep like a rock, and I have some level of dream recall so obviously I do not suffer from REM sleep deprivation, and I am on 5 types of medications, she was on just one (I'll be it mixing it will alcohol and illegal drugs, most definatly against her doctors wishes, again unless he was negligent)

[amyphilo]

Well you are very fortunate to be on 5 medications and not experience any side effects.

[Silvermane21a]

Whoa, hold on a second. I never claimed that. I have a few side effects from my medication including development of hyperhydrosis, lack of energy, effects to my memory recall, random shakes, headaches, diarea, and rarely vertigo from the paxil as if I take it too late in the day I get dizzy and disoriented while I out moving around. The side effects are bad, but the alternative is worse

[amyphilo]

Those side effects are evidence of seizures and brain damage, gastrointestinal damage, perhaps even brain tumors. Perhaps you should go to a more caring doctor and be monitored for adverse effects on your heart because I guarantee you if you are on that many drugs you are either going to get permanent neurological damage or heart damage or die of serotonin syndrome.

[amyphilo]

Anna Nicole Smith was only taking about 3 meds and she died, same as Daniel, her son. Please take your own life more seriously than you are doing now.

[amyphilo]

Recalling dreams is not the same thing as having enough REM sleep or brain activity. One of the side effects of the drugs is violent or bizarre nightmares. The 5 different medications you are on are way more potent than street drugs or alcohol.

[Silvermane21a]

The violent and bizarre nightmares is true, thats why I take the respiridal and it does help. This doesn't mean I plan on going out and murdering a bunch of people though, it just means I have the occational restless night. Again, preferable to the alternative.

[amyphilo]

You don't add a Risperdal or Clozapine-type drug for a side effect of medication like Paxil or Effexor. You remove the offending Paxil or Effexor. I am so sad for you right now. You can murder people when acting out your dreams involuntarily during episodes of "REM Sleep 'Beahvior Disorder'" - look it up on the Mayo Clinic website. 86% of patients with it were taking "antidepressants."

[Silvermane21a]

Also recalling dreams has everything to do with getting enough REM sleep, as dreams happens in during the REM stages of sleep. Also after 7 years, if I were REM deprived I should be batty by now.

[amyphilo]

You are on 5 drugs and you think you are not batty? You take each one for a different symptom, all of them are chemically lobotomizing you. By your own statements you have violent bizarre dreams, violent mood swings, etc. Think about this.

[Silvermane21a]

Seung-Hui Cho suffered from disturbing behaviour throughout his life and was thought to be violent, and during a court ordered assessment was found to be a danger to himself and others prior to using medications.

[amyphilo]

Seung Hui Cho's medical records were never released to the public. I am sure they were hidden because PhRMA doesn't want them released. How convenient that a dead mass murderer's records are kept private.

[Silvermane21a]

His medical records weren't released but information on his past behaviour was quite public and all over the news for weeks after the shoots from various interview from peers and family members. His prior court ordered evaluation was also public.

[amyphilo]

Well for someone on 5 different drugs you sure paid an awful lot of attention to this case. You're lucky to be so high-functioning.

[amyphilo]

If he was a danger to himself or others prior to using medications then he would have been way more likely to commit murders and suicides on the drugs, which is exactly what drug company studies show. The worst thing you can do to a suicidal person is give them a drug that makes you more suicidal.

[amyphilo]

Seung-Hui Cho was also hospitalized shortly before the mass murders. And what happens to one in a psychiatric hospital? They either raise your dose of meds or put you on more meds, or put you on meds for the first time.

[amyphilo]

You can take a completely innocent person, give them drugs and they can become a murderer. Giving a psycho drugs like Zoloft will only make them crazier!

[amyphilo]

The news reports that came out following the VT massacre indicated that Cho had antidepressants or other meds for depression in his dorm room. Subsequently we haven't heard much about this. Gee, I wonder why that would be.

[Silvermane21a]

Again because it was moot, his post mortem toxicology proved he had either never taken the medications in the first place or he had stopped months earlier causing his previous tendencies to resurface.

[amyphilo]

Do you have a link to the toxicology report? I was informed that the medical and counseling records were being kept sealed due to privacy laws. And if the toxicology report was done and released are you sure they did a check for psychiatric medications? When I went to the psych ward only 3 days after starting a low dose of Zoloft which made me homicidal and suicidal, they did a blood test to screen for drugs of abuse, not psychiatric drugs.

[amyphilo]

They did find abnormal platelet volume but my doctor dismissed that. Now I know that serotonin affects platelet size.

[Silvermane21a]

Hyperserotoninemia causing increased platelet volume is, at this time, an unproven hypothesis, and even if it turns out to be true, unless your autistic it'd be extreamly unlikely that this was the case of the increased size of your platelets. You can find all this in various medical journal... if you like dry reading

[amyphilo]

The drugs are also highly bound to particles in the blood. The information about serotonin affecting platelet size came from a medical encyclopedia from 1989. It did not state it as a hypothesis. Also, the chemical imbalance theory of mental disorders is an unproven hypothesis and your medications are experimental. You are a guinea pig.

[amyphilo]

The most you know is that there are significant risks of both severe physical side effects and mental worsening of your condition. Evidence of "efficacy" is usually limited to about 30-40% if that of subjects and for a few weeks. The majority of people get worse on medication.

[amyphilo]

I am not really sure what increased platelet size would relate to or be a sign of if not high serotonin or extra toxins (the drug) present in the body or why a doctor would call it crap. But based on your defense it makes it seem like increased platelet size is a generally major concern? Perhaps with your vast knowledge you can fill me in.

[amyphilo]

So you're saying it takes months for meds to disappear from the bloodstream? How do you know this? Are you a drug rep?

Earlier you said that Eric Harris' toxicology report showed he had stopped taking his medication? I read that it was still at a therapeutic level in his bloodstream so he was still in severe withdrawal. And why would a blood test be able to show that someone had never in their life taken an antidepressant? I don't think that is right.

[Silvermane21a]

Also its IS a matter of public record that Cho's toxicology report showed he had no traces of any drugs, psych or otherwise, in his bloodstream made post mortem. This means one of two things, he either never used the medication in the first place (If he was resently hospitalized that means he must of cheeked it), or he had stopped taking them months prior.

[amyphilo]

OK again since you are so well researched please provide the link to the toxicology report so we can see which drugs they scanned for. I highly doubt it is possible to get out of a psych hospital when you are suicidal without submitting to drugs. I was in the hospital and I was breastfeeding a newborn and they still forced me to stay on Zoloft. I was just lucky they didn't force me to go on antipsychotics because Zoloft made me homicidal and suicidal.

[Silvermane21a]

Can't link here, just google "Seung-Hui Cho toxicology no drugs" (without the quotes) and you will get dozens of newspapers.

[amyphilo]

Like I said before, toxicology reports usually examine for illegal drugs. I will look this up when I get more time. If you are really concerned email me or pm me on youtube.

Like I also said before, a tox would not screen for past drug use it would only measure serum levels which is basically a rough guess of what he might have been taking within a few days before the murders.

[amyphilo]

OK I just looked it up and it stated in the news report that there were no traces of prescription drugs in his system. (How accurate that is is questionable since they will not release the tox screen). But that does not mean that he had never taken them nor that he was not going through withdrawal from them. According to his roommate he had taken them, so he was probably going through a severe withdrawal.

[Silvermane21a]

Eric Harris's autopsy proved that he had stopped taking his medication prior to the shootings. Chris Brockman was aiding a friend to steal money from his mother and killed her to prevent her from making a police report. The events surrounding his death are off public record, so the comment on him killing himself because of using anti-depressents is speculation.

[amyphilo]

Both Harris and Klebold were under the influence of psychaitric drugs during the murders and the time they planned them. One of them may have been withdrawing suddenly, since you obviously possess great knowledge on the subject please fill us in. Sudden withdrawal can cause violence even more so than being on the drug. These drugs can cause severe psychosis during withdrawal.

[Silvermane21a]

Considering I have gone through the withdrawls from suddenly stopping my medications I can tell you first hand experiance. I take 5 types of medications daily, Paxil, effoxor, Clorazapam, respiridal, and nova divalproex for severe bi-polar depression with violent mood swings during manic periods. Not once in the 7 years I have been on these medications have I contemplated harming myself or others even during the worst withdrawls.

[amyphilo]

Paxil is for depression? Effexor - bipolar? Clorazapam - antipsychotic - risperdal - antipsychotic and nova divalproex for severe depression with violent mood swings - ok if you have never had thought of harming yourself or others while on meds then how did you get on 5 meds? Surely one or two would have solved your condition? Why so many drugs. Please explain. You stated you had violent mood swings.

[amyphilo]

Surely your doctor did not prescribe all 5 at once at the first visit. You must have progressively gotten worse, first from a Paxil, then an Effexor, etc. until you wound up on 5 drugs.

[Silvermane21a]

No I didn't start all the medications at once. Its a long explaination as to why I am on so many medications today. Too long for here, but it at least in my case, does not have anything to do with increasing symptoms but rather alternatives proving inaffective for treating some of the original symptoms

[amyphilo]

It sounds so dangerous to me to be on 5 psychiatric drugs. I think you are living in denial. There are alternatives for all of your symptoms that do not poison your body. I hope you can visit my websites and learn about some of the alternatives and risks before you end up dead, another victim of the drug companies.

[amyphilo]

Chris Brockman was suffering from akathisia from Zoloft and two other psychiatric medications and their other psychotic side effects. His death occurred while the prison was medicating him with an antidepressant against his wishes. This is a matter of fact. His mother has talked to me and she has obtained the facts from his prison medical records. He was essentially murdered. Are you denying that he was under the influence of multiple psychiatric medications when he committed the crimes?

[Silvermane21a]

Akathisia comes in many forms and it does not always take away a person ability to distingish right from wrong. I have had bouts of Akathisia in the form of sever anxity at anticipating something that will never happen. I keep a card in my wallet with a number to a crisis line at all times.

[amyphilo]

I am curious how you know so much about Chris Brockman's case and records. It is tragic when people actually advocate against awareness of what these drugs can do. Chris Brockman's victim is not the only victim here. He was a victim, and so is his mother. The prison can't pay for Fish Oil but they can force dangerous pharmaceuticals on someone who is clearly contraindicated from using them? That is the epitome of injustice.

[Silvermane21a]

Simple, I looked it up. You'd be amazed at how much you can find out in a few hours of research. The fact that he hung himself is not nessiarly the fault of the medication, though I won't deny it could have played a factor. But that leads me to believe that there was negligence on the jailors, not the cretors of the anti-depressent. Its the jails and the doctors fault for not supervising him when they started the new medication, not the medication itself.

[amyphilo]

I thought you said earlier that the circumstances of his death were off the public record, and I was speculating, so how do you know he hanged himself? I've met his mother and heard his story and read it online and she never mentioned the hanging aspect before. I am very curious if this is true. Please email me the link to the record of his hanging himself. He was taken out of suicide watch even though he was clearly psychotic on the new drugs.

[Silvermane21a]

I turned out to be in error, I found sites where the mother talks about the details of his death. Just look up Christopher Brockman on google rather than Chris and you can find sites with interviews with the mother, who would have had access to information the public would not. She is against medications, but a excellent source of information in this case for my opionion as well.

[amyphilo]

It's been weeks since I read your comments but you seem to be awfully concerned about this case, it's a little spooky. Of course she is against medications, they caused her son's crime and her son's death. I don't know why you think someone would be in favor of someone else murdering their child.

[amyphilo]

Your coment makes no sense at the end, when you stated that it was not the medication, it was them not watching him when he started a new medication. And why would you need to watch someone when they start a medication? Answer: because medications can make you suicidal.

[Silvermane21a]

Also you need to remember he's only an 18 years old kid, facing life in prison for murder. He would have been very prone to suicide to begin with, and if the medications did push him over the edge; thats the fault of the jail not the medication as again they should have been monitoring him and not allowing him to have anything he could potentially harm himself with.

[amyphilo]

"If the medications did push him over the edge, that's the fault of the jail not the medication"

That makes no sense. Maybe you are on 5 drugs.

He was doing great on Fish Oil. Maybe you should look into that for your condition.

Again, the worst thing to do to a person who is suicidal is give them a mind altering poison that makes them more suicidal.

[Silvermane21a]

Chris was suffering from Akathisia and if it was determined that it was souly responcible for his actions, he would have been found unfit to stand trail and would have been sent to a phyciatric hospital rather then prison. That wasn't the case so obviously it was determined at the time of the murder, he was in moderate control of his actions.

[amyphilo]

Are you speculating, or stating what you read on the internet?

Akathisia is a side effect of the drugs, it doesn't occur normally. It does cause people to commit heinous acts including murder or suicide. I would never want to be sent to a psych hospital again, if you go there, for a crime like this, you never come out.

If he had akathisia by definition he was in an altered state and not in control.

[Silvermane21a]

Again, if it was found Chris wasn't in control of his actions when he murdered that person, he would have been found unfit to stand trial and sent to a psyciatric hospital rather then jail. That is not speculation, thats how the system works. The fact he was sent to jail on a life sentence, proves that he was found by the courts to be in control of his actions at the time of the murder

[amyphilo]

If you notice above, I already approved this comment... Chris was on drugs when he murdered and when he committed suicide. In between when he was not on drugs he was serving his time and remorseful but doing well on fish oil.

[amyphilo]

The drug companies have known for decades that their drugs cause homicide and they have just added it to the label for Effexor (homicidal ideation - aka premeditating murder). All these drugs are incredibly dangerous and the drug companies are playing with innocent lives. By definition when you are put on a mind altering drug there are outside influences on your behavior. We shouldn't give out drugs that make people worse or make them murderers.

[Silvermane21a]

Also the events surrounding their deaths were a matter of public record, please at least attempt to do a marginal ammount of research before you make claims like that. Their diaries, the full report, their previous evaluations and their medications, as well as there post mortem toxicology reports. Are all available on the net.

[amyphilo]

A marginal amount of research? You just don't trust the facts I have put in this video or on the comments. There is a difference between the facts and the PhRMA spin. My comments are also a matter of public record and the news stories document this as well.

[amyphilo]

So, are you a journalist, or a drug rep, or did you just happen to know all about these cases prior to viewing my video? Or did you research them afterwards because you were concerned? For someone on 5 different medications it is hard to trust your evaluations of research. Don't you think your brain might just be a bit impaired and judgement clouded?

[yeatts01]

some people have done horrible things while taking these drugs, but what of all those who have not? i agree that many drug companies may provide false advertising, and many drugs are over prescribed, but i don't believe that it is fair or realistic to say that psychiatric drugs in general are horrible. i don't think the drugs should be any sort of excuse for what people have done. these people had psychological disorders, maybe that could be a good explanation for the fucked up things they did

[amyphilo]

Too many lives are being lost every day. Too many lives are being ripped apart. People deserve to be warned about these drugs and people should learn everything possible about them so they can help their friends and family stay off of them. Risking your life to these drugs is not worth it. If you have a psychological "disorder" the worst thing you could do would be to add a dangerous drug to the mix of problems in your life.

[n1gganometry]

This video is true. Why do you think drug companies are trying to push the drugs on the masses through media? (Commercials late at night, zoloft, ect) - they trying to get you HOOKED!

My mom was on zoloft for a while and she acted like she was hypnotised robot.. her happinesss was WEIRD and then would go to depressed again!

[amyphilo]

It was the Internet that helped me get off of Zoloft. Otherwise all I would have heard was "stay on drugs" or "go on antipsychotics and wean your baby." But obviously since drugs turn normal people psycho and going off them makes you better, I guess psychiatrists could be threatened here. Fewer patients, less money for them. But no money for me. I just want people to stop killing themselves and others.

[amyphilo]

That's ironic because people like me are survivors of psychiatry trying to educate themselves and others about what it was that happened to them when they were on drugs. Going AMA and only having your own strength to turn to...The only reason I made this video was because I don't want any more people to die.

[themastersb]

Wow. How low do you have to go in trying to profit of the deaths of these students. Let them rest in peace asshole. You're really a scumbag

[amyphilo]

Um profit? Actually, I am promoting information. If you are talking about the pin I mention in the video, it costs a whopping $3.50 last time I checked. I don't get any money from that. I live 1000 miles away from James Torlakson & have never even met him. I also spend my own money to run this website UNITE and haven't earned a single penney.

[amyphilo]

If I do sell any shirts or bumper stickers it will all go to reimburse myself for the cost of running the site. You crack me up!

If anyone is profiting off of the deaths of the students so far it would be the psychiatrists and drug companies who promote the idea that people who are depressed are dangerous and need drugs for the rest of their lives or to be locked up in a ward at $4000 per day cost! Oh MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are really so far off.

[themastersb]

How are you profiting off this you ask? You're trying to eliminate your competition which are psychiatrists, and the drug companies so people have nowhere to turn for help besides scumbags like you.

[saxgirl93]

i have to say that this is only partly true. i used to take an anti depressant and i wasnt homicidal or suicidal. it effects people differently. although i do agree that companies arent telling everything about their drugs. after all these school shootings i told my mom to tell my doctor to stop prescribing the meds. but it does effect every1 differently.

[amyphilo]

You should check out the article "The Spellbinding Effects of Psychiatric Drugs" from breggin dot com. Some people do not become suicidal and homicidal on the drugs, but the drugs do damage your brain and lead to long-term problems with your body. Thanks for sharing with your mom and encouraging her to educate her doctor. Check out the links on those sites to learn more!

[patenaudeh]

thank God for the internet or no one would know the sufferings of others that the media keeps to themselves. There are ALOT of groups out there supporting these ideas and truths but ppl have to do their own research. Thanks for making it easy to read. You listed some groups but there are even more. I think it would impact more if you listed as many as there are out there on the internet. And it is ALOT!!!

[amyphilo]

I have a website uniteforlife dot org and the purpose is to list all those groups. If anyone wants to list their group on my site, it's free and that is why I designed it. In addition I want the groups to collaborate and send each other info and ask for help using the message board on there. Check it out!

[Hunter98166]

This is very well done. Easy to watch and get gets the point across. Send this to everyone you know!

[cathy92259]

I can't believe there are more comments about this video! this is important stuff!

[cathy92259]

thanks for posting this amyphilo. we have got to get the word out there! please keep sharing!

[BasementDave]

VERY WELL DONE!! These medications are HORRIBLE! Only vested interests (profits) are what keep them around. To bad more sensibility does not prevail.

[declarkson]

Thanks for posting, hard hitting but human touch. let's get these pharma criminals rounded up and out of our schools, families, foster care homes, senior citizen homes, etc etc etc. They have no business there. They belong behind bars.