It isn't easy to removing learnt conditioning, change irrational fears, responses to certain situations and so on, but it is possible. Flooding can work but it's not a method I'd ever consider. It tends to be more constructive to discover where it originated and disassociate it from future comparables. The mind tends to make far too wide brushstrokes in learning. Whether you consider emotions useful or useless we have them. Thanks for this Gary, interesting thoughts, and apt background.
Conditioning is definitely difficult to reverse. With OCD patients, there have been cases where they're made to touch toilet seats in public bathrooms, sometimes to the completely disgusting ends, all in order to desensitize them. People with PTSD after fighting in war can be completely stuck in their fear/stress conditioning for life.....While people with an intense fear of riding elevators can be desensitized successfully in many cases.
We're definitely put through a lot of psychological "shaping" as we are raised into society. Especially when it comes to becoming a "civilized" human being.
Emotions are for the most part bullshit. But (as you've said before) when we feel disgust at the site of suffering, we can know why we feel it and know it's a valid emotional reaction.
why did songs from Nirvana keep poping into my head when i watched this video? oh, never mind, it does not matter. Prolly, well, something is in the way. So maybe i should stay away. We are not talking about consciousness on a plain unaware depths below. For this would drain you. I say come as you are or stay away. Do not perform territorial pissing hoping they will bloom in to the smell of teen spirit for this is foolish for an old lounge act if you want to avoid the need of lithium.
I.e., I get impatient given that as a child I was always impatient with my life circumstance, thus I am going to react to rational arguments impatiently, and that may be detrimental to a purely objective understanding of the facts. Thus it is 'irrational' to ignore emotions...is how I think her argument went, if that makes sense.
Again not in contradiction to your response but pointing out where her 'thrust' differed.
You're right of course--emotions do not have value in answering a math question. However, she was more talking personal psychology, i.e. pointing out that emotions do have value in the context of answering questions about ourselves and how we react to the rational environment we find ourselves.
actually the fear of the glass floor (visual cliff ) is part of infant development it comes at a particular stage.
I think vertigo is cause by the inner ear or a tightening of a nerve in the neck that is connected to the inner ear. Course I wouldn't rule out the psychological phenomenon which could have been conditioned emotionally from the initial physical reaction. Who knows how far back that fear of falling goes & the brain pathway initially developed
aren't we conditioned to what repulses us from childhood or birth?
If ur father was a butcher, u lived in a village where the slaughter of animals was common course, or on the native hunt, wouldn't that just be part of the natural culture of conditioning. If u have always been around that how could it be repulsive?
& it wasn't until the Victorian age; the development of a middle class, that people didn't see blood & guts & a distastes for the slaughtering of humans during the renaissance
Lorel ~ has 2b around here ~ somewhere ~ :0)
2 tell a secret ~ Lorelelia ~ can b an a22 ~
Interacted w/ them 1 time after receiving an invite of sorts 2 do so ~
it degraded 2 a b3tch form of 2b/pie/ro-mecium ~ do I have a record?
U "betcha" :-)
TJae1 8 months ago
your shirt is like a matrix lol
matrixcmitech 8 months ago
It isn't easy to removing learnt conditioning, change irrational fears, responses to certain situations and so on, but it is possible. Flooding can work but it's not a method I'd ever consider. It tends to be more constructive to discover where it originated and disassociate it from future comparables. The mind tends to make far too wide brushstrokes in learning. Whether you consider emotions useful or useless we have them. Thanks for this Gary, interesting thoughts, and apt background.
Loreleila 8 months ago
@Loreleila ~ I figurd ~ wassup :)
TJae1 8 months ago
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Janesupport 8 months ago
Conditioning is definitely difficult to reverse. With OCD patients, there have been cases where they're made to touch toilet seats in public bathrooms, sometimes to the completely disgusting ends, all in order to desensitize them. People with PTSD after fighting in war can be completely stuck in their fear/stress conditioning for life.....While people with an intense fear of riding elevators can be desensitized successfully in many cases.
CosmicSeaman 8 months ago
I can't remember who said it, but 'they' said something like: We go through 7 emotions a day, sometimes they repeat. Also linked to 7 days a week...?
Hmm.
BinaryBunyip 8 months ago
We're definitely put through a lot of psychological "shaping" as we are raised into society. Especially when it comes to becoming a "civilized" human being.
Emotions are for the most part bullshit. But (as you've said before) when we feel disgust at the site of suffering, we can know why we feel it and know it's a valid emotional reaction.
CosmicSeaman 8 months ago
why did songs from Nirvana keep poping into my head when i watched this video? oh, never mind, it does not matter. Prolly, well, something is in the way. So maybe i should stay away. We are not talking about consciousness on a plain unaware depths below. For this would drain you. I say come as you are or stay away. Do not perform territorial pissing hoping they will bloom in to the smell of teen spirit for this is foolish for an old lounge act if you want to avoid the need of lithium.
masluxx 8 months ago
I.e., I get impatient given that as a child I was always impatient with my life circumstance, thus I am going to react to rational arguments impatiently, and that may be detrimental to a purely objective understanding of the facts. Thus it is 'irrational' to ignore emotions...is how I think her argument went, if that makes sense.
Again not in contradiction to your response but pointing out where her 'thrust' differed.
fulishproductions 8 months ago
You're right of course--emotions do not have value in answering a math question. However, she was more talking personal psychology, i.e. pointing out that emotions do have value in the context of answering questions about ourselves and how we react to the rational environment we find ourselves.
fulishproductions 8 months ago
actually the fear of the glass floor (visual cliff ) is part of infant development it comes at a particular stage.
I think vertigo is cause by the inner ear or a tightening of a nerve in the neck that is connected to the inner ear. Course I wouldn't rule out the psychological phenomenon which could have been conditioned emotionally from the initial physical reaction. Who knows how far back that fear of falling goes & the brain pathway initially developed
later in life - something's unbalanced
marniespeaks 8 months ago
isn't it all just a matter of cultural peer pressure?
compare an average New Yorker to someone who lives in a small village in Afghanistan - one slaughters his food the other orders his food.
marniespeaks 8 months ago
aren't we conditioned to what repulses us from childhood or birth?
If ur father was a butcher, u lived in a village where the slaughter of animals was common course, or on the native hunt, wouldn't that just be part of the natural culture of conditioning. If u have always been around that how could it be repulsive?
& it wasn't until the Victorian age; the development of a middle class, that people didn't see blood & guts & a distastes for the slaughtering of humans during the renaissance
marniespeaks 8 months ago
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masluxx 8 months ago